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What do you guys think?? We have to keep it realistic (no lebrons, dwight howards, etc etc) so who is the one role player that the wiz could realistically add that you think would put the wizards over the top. Whether you think its Tyson Chandler/Udonis Haslem type and their ability to get those tough rebounds or a Bruce Bowen type we can use to man up on the EC's elite swingmen (lebron, PP, wade) there has to be that one guy out there you have always wished to see at the phone booth.

I havent seen alot of him in Minnesota this year (and I apparently havent missed much) but I have always thought that Mike Miller could do wonders for this team. When Gil has the ball his outside shooting could be night/day difference over anyone else we have had on the roster. When Gil doesnt have the ball his ball handling/passing/creativity could help equalize some of what we lack with Gilbert at PG. Either way I think this team needs to bring someone in that can get others involved either when we are missing Gil or when he inevitably goes cold. (Could we already have that player in Javaris Crittenton)

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Dom McGuire is our Bruce Bowen in development…and he’s made hellu strides this year.

Mike Miller? He’s cool and all that, but I’m not sure if he’s willing to be a “role” player….I guess beggars can’t be choosers seeing that he’s in Minny-Soda…..but I’d rather have a spot up trey ball shooter who can play D.

My impression of Miller is that he wants to create for himself a little too much and that he won’t fill up a stat sheet.

Otherwise, I’m hoping that Griffin is the Paul Millsap/Jason Maxiel type who can provide energy and brute force off the bench….except, much, much better.

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by Truth About It on Mar 31, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jason Maxiell was rotting away in the Detroit bench in favor of Kwame Brown, what a joke. He was a big reason why Detroit was able to contain Howard during last year’s playoffs. I’d be very happy if by some fluke we could get an energy guy like him.

by Fundefined on Mar 31, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would even be willing to settle for him being as good as Millsap, at least his first year

Our main problem seems to be a lack of intensity on the court. We’ve got plenty of talented guys, and they’ve even started hustling a bit more, but they still just lack a certain fire, which I think is why so many plays end with jumpshots instead of layups and free throws, as well as why we don’t play as tough on defense as we need to. As far as I can tell, Blake Griffin tries to dunk almost everything and rarely settles for jump shots off the driblle, and I think that maybe that playing style could be contagious.

The main thing we need as far as just players is either a bruising power forward like Truth described. I want to say that we need a three point specialist and lockdown defender at shooting guard, too, but we might already have one on our roster, depending on how Stevenson comes back.

by pantslessyoda1 on Mar 31, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would even be willing to settle for him being as good as Millsap, at least his first year

Our main problem seems to be a lack of intensity on the court. We’ve got plenty of talented guys, and they’ve even started hustling a bit more, but they still just lack a certain fire, which I think is why so many plays end with jumpshots instead of layups and free throws, as well as why we don’t play as tough on defense as we need to. As far as I can tell, Blake Griffin tries to dunk almost everything and rarely settles for jump shots off the driblle, and I think that maybe that playing style could be contagious.

The main thing we need as far as just players is either a bruising power forward like Truth described. I want to say that we need a three point specialist and lockdown defender at shooting guard, too, but we might already have one on our roster, depending on how Stevenson comes back.

by pantslessyoda1 on Mar 31, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok - yeah, Having Brendan back is gonna be nice...

But even with Brendan back, and if Stevenson can come back 100% and be at least adequate at perimeter defense – the Wizards still have a major hole in their defensive alignment with Jamison in the game.

Perfect scenario? Trade for Chris Bosh. I know you said keep it realistic, but a trade for Bosh IS realistic. Toronto may be looking to move him. He’s reportedly told the Raptors he will not resign with them. And RealGM is reporting that the Warriors and Bulls are both interested in making a play for Bosh this Summer.

Now Brian Colangelo and Chris Bosh can deny the reports all they want, but the fact remains that where there’s smoke, there’s fire. The rumors persist, and Toronto will most likely not be able to keep Bosh when his contract is up in 2010.

Shawn Marion’s salary comes off Toronto’s books this year… The Raptors could re-tool very quickly if they trade Bosh, dump salary, take on young inexpensive players and draft choices. They could be $20-30 Million under the Salary Cap for the 2010 season, and perhaps go after a 2010 Free Agent or two.

The Wizards have expiring contracts, young inexpensive players and draft choices……… hmmm…

Would Chris Bosh want to play in Washington with Gilbert Arenas, Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood, Antawn Jamison etc…?
A trade for Bosh should NOT include McGee, McGuire, Javaris Crittenton or the 1st Round pick this year if it’s #1 or #2….

Start Bosh in Jamison’s PF spot. Move Jamison to the bench. Draft or trade for a dead-eye 3-point specialist for the bench. The Wizard’s starting lineup of Arenas, Stevenson, Butler, Bosh and Haywood is now a solid offensive team, but more importantly a very good defensive team. The Bench also includes some solid defenders (Songaila, McGuire, Javaris Crittenton) as well as some firepower (Jamison, Young-if he’s not traded),,

Boom – the Wizards are instantly a Contender next year…. Toronto suffers through one tough year (2009-2010) – gets a High draft pick from Washington, some young talent, a high pick in a very deep and talented 2010 draft – and has $20-30 Million to throw at LeBron James, or Dwayne Wade, or Dirk Nowitzki, or…..any of the other premier 2010 Free Agents

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by Rook6980 on Mar 31, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cap space is probably less valuable to Toronto since no one really wants to play there

Just saying…

And yeah, I think that it’s realistic for us to consider Bosh. It’d require giving up a lot, most likely our (non-number one or two) pick, Blatche, Critt, our expirers, and maybe Nick Young and/or Dominic McGuire, but it is doable. Also, I don’t see why Bosh would be opposed to staying in DC after his contract expires, since even though we’re not quite New York or LA, it’s still not in the middle of nowhere.

by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 1, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And

Expiring contracts = Cap space…

Cap space = ability to sign Free Agents

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by Rook6980 on Apr 1, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cap space is valuable to EVERY team.

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by Rook6980 on Apr 1, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It might take a lot

This works:

C Etan Thomas expiring contract ($7.3M) + PG Mike James expiring contract ($6.5M) + PF Andray Blatche ($3M) + Nick SG Young ($1.7M) + swap of 2009 1st Round pick + Washington’s 2010 1st Round pick.
TOTAL OUTGOING SALARIES=$18.5M

FOR

PF Chris Bosh ($15.8M) + PG Markus Banks ($4.4M) + swap of 2009 1st Round pick.
TOTAL OUTGOING SALARIES = $20.2M

Why Washington does the deal: Because they get Chris Bosh – and with him, the chance to compete for a Championship.

Why Toronto does the deal: Expiring contracts will put them $25 million under the Salary Cap for the 2010 Season… They get two semi-proven young players (Young and Blatche). A high 2009 1st Round pick. A chance to accelerate the rebuilding of the team and get back to the Playoffs and contention in one year.

If we have to sweeten the pot, we might have to throw in McGee ($1.5M)…Although I would resist it.

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by Rook6980 on Apr 1, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"semi-proven"

not sure why….well, maybe I am…but I chuckled at that.

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by Truth About It on Apr 1, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I’m Toronto I want more, a better young piece coming in. Either that or immediate salary relief that they could get from a team like the Pistons. The Bulls could offer a better package IMO.

Would the Wizards do it without getting Bosh inked to an extension? NBA media types have been hinting at more contract extensions than big name free agent moves in 2010. You get him and try to hang on. Its bold, I like it.

They get a shot at Rubio or Thabeet and the Wizards save over two million picking 9th or later.

by Jheiser3 on Apr 9, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Immediate salary relief?

How do you do that? The trade deadline has come and gone…

You can’t trade a player that is no longer under contract.. So, the Pistons couldn’t, for instance, trade Rasheed Wallace to Toronto… at the end of the season, he becomes an Unrestricted Free Agent.

That makes Mike James’ and Etan Thomas’ expiring contracts very valuable. They expire at the end of the 2009-2010 season. (Next year)…

Not sure how Chicago can put together a better package than the Wizard’s expiring contracts, young talent AND a Lottery Draft pick….

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by Rook6980 on Apr 10, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

here's how

The Pistons (minus Rasheed and Iverson’s contracts) have room to take on Bosh’s salary from Toronto without the Raptors having to take equal salaries back as they do in your scenario. That’s immediate salary relief. Toronto doesn’t have to wait a year for those lame duck deals to expire. Detroit also has some young pieces (Afflalo, Amir Johnson) that may fit Toronto’s model of euro-ball, equal opportunity offense etc, better than a score-only guy like NY.

by Jheiser3 on Apr 13, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is way out of left field

And I know this guy is nuts, but I’ve been reading a lot of things about Golden State’s Anthony Randolph. I certainly didn’t want him at the draft but apparently in flashes he is absolutely brilliant for the Warriors. A complete freak at 6-10.

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by George Templeton on Apr 1, 2009 1:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think he'd put us over the top, but I'd love to somehow get him

He reminds me almost of Javale if he played small forward, just in how much raw talent he has and how he’s exceeded expectations this year. I don’t know what kind of deal we could pull off to get him, though. Maybe work something out to include Jamal Crawford and use Crawford as a sixth man? Or I guess we could maybe swap picks with the Warriors and get him in exchange for Pech, but we’d have to trade away some of our power forwards in order to clear playing time for him next year.

by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 1, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understand

I understand the premise but there isn’t one guy makes this team in to a title contender. You don’t contend with a 6’8 defensive liability at PF, a defensive liability at PG and an inexperienced bench.

by Jheiser3 on Apr 1, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But if they get Bosh

Then you move that defensive liability to the bench….

Now all of a sudden, the Wizards are a pretty good defensive team (Haywood, Bosh, Butler, Stevenson & Arenas) – with Arenas being the lone weak spot. Arenas CAN play defense, he just doesn’t. But if the rest of the team is playing D, then perhaps he’ll buckle down.

The bench is no longer inexperienced (Jamison, Songaila, McGuire, Crittenton and Young??), but has both Defensive players, and some offensive firepower.

Don’t want to play inexperienced young guys during a 7 game playoff series? Young, McGee, Pech, Draft picks, etc… can sit the bench; while the Wizards play mostly veterans in an 8-man rotation: Haywood and Bosh can share Center duties. AJ, Songaila and Bosh can share PF. Butler and Stevenson can share SG. Butler and McGuire can share the SF minutes – and you only have to play Javaris Crittenton 15 minutes a night with Arenas getting the remaining 33 minutes at PG.

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by Rook6980 on Apr 1, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a Championship roster

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by Rook6980 on Apr 1, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stevenson could barely stay on the court before the injury. Why does everyone think he is going to come back and all of the sudden be a quality starter??

While I am asking questions why does everyone think signing a player to a 12.5 mill deal and then moving him to the bench is a good idea??

by dt3 on Apr 1, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Gilbo’s strong, tall, and doesn’t look like he’s slowed down all that much. I still think we’re going to have trouble defending any small and quick guards, but maybe we can pick up someone in the draft who can do it. Also, no matter who we have starting at the two, they’ll at least have the potential to be a decent defender, since McGuire, Young, and Crittenton are all athletic, long, and fast.

by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 2, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the team earned the top pick, or second pick, and Toronto was interested in trading Bosh for the pick plus some expiring contracts …. that’s a trade I’d be very interested in.

Bosh — Jamison — Butler — Player X — Arenas with Haywood playing as the team’s sixth man. That would be an excellent squad.

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by NBR on Apr 29, 2009 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pass on Mike Miller

To fill that role, give me Rasual Butler at 1/3 the money of Miller.
Heck, give me Roger Mason at 1/3 the money of Miller.

by disgrunted on Apr 2, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Butler would be a nice defender and shooter, but I doubt New Orleans would want to let him go

It’s hard to wrestle a decent piece from a playoff team, so we should probably be looking at rebuilding teams and cellar-dwelling ones. To me, this means that Dallas, Phoenix, Portland and Chicago (the latter two mostly just because of how overstocked they are with quality players) are the only teams that’ll win more than 40 games that would be open to a deal that would favor us a little bit more than them. New Orleans would likely want Blatche for Butler and we can probably get something better for him or a combination of him and other players/picks.

by pantslessyoda1 on Apr 4, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The one player whom I think would make the best addition to the current core of the team is a Bruce Bowen type. A young Bruce Bowen … I’m just not sure who that is.

I think the team badly needs an ace stopper on the wing (maybe McGuire becomes that) in addition to the return of Brendan Haywood, in order to make a big leap defensively. Also some defensive minded players off the bench (Quinton Ross).

  • Arron Afflalo? I’m a big fan of his defensive ability.
  • Kirk Hinrich? Traded for an expiring contract, and maybe one of the youngsters. Go small in the backcourt.
  • Ron Artest? For the MLE? He’ll probably get offered more from Houston though.
  • Mbah a Moute? But I have no idea how highly Milwaukee would value him, and thus no idea of what it would take to get him out of there.
  • Go bigger, say trade for a star player who is a top defender — Trade Caron Butler for Andre Iguodala?

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by NBR on Apr 29, 2009 3:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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