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Excellent article by David Aldridge about the return of Gilbert Arenas and what that means to the Wizards.

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Two things from the article struck me :

The Wiz are hoping to dispatch a couple of their knucklehead youngsters this summer, anyway.

Hmmm.... It's been speculated on Bullets Forever and other places (Insider) that the Wizards might want to move some young talent and try to get some veteran help over the summer - but this is the first time I've seen a Nationally syndicated columnist say it with almost certainty.

My question is: Which knucklehead youngsters is  he talking about? Young? McGee? Blatche? All three?

"We need him to understand how important he is to this team," Jamison said. "The same with Caron, the same with myself. Not just Gil, but big-time players on this team have to sacrifice next year. I like the example of the Paul Pierce situation. When Garnett and Ray Allen came, Paul was giving you 24, 25 a night. But he realized that that's not what it's all about anymore. It's about sacrificing for the sake of the team. That 24 can go down to 19, 20. But guess what? Number one seed, I'm understanding my role ... Gil can average 30 if he wants to. But what's wrong with dropping that down to 25, 26, and getting everyone else involved, and taking over at certain points of time?"

I wonder if Jamison is really willing to sacrifice for the sake of the team. In my mind, the only way this team will be able to compete for a Championship will be to embrace playing solid defense. Jamison is NO defender; and he's not going to turn into a solid defender, no matter what defensive "scheme" the new Coach comes up with. Would he be willing to "sacrifice for the sake of the team", and step aside (go to the bench) and allow the Wizards to draft (Griffin) or trade for a better defensive PF?

The remaining Wizard's projected starters, with the exception of Arenas are all at least passable one-on-one defenders (Haywood, Stevenson, Butler) - and there are very good defenders on the bench (McGuire, Songaila, Crittenton); with some others with good defensive potential, and still learning (McGee, Blatche, Young).

The addition of a good defensive coach, with a good defensive scheme; one that does not allow WIDE OPEN 3-POINT SHOOTERS; would still have defensive holes with Jamison in the line up.

If the Wizards cannot get Blake Griffin in the draft - they should trade for a Power Forward. I'm not suggesting trading Jamison - mainly because I don't think that will ever happen while Abe Polin is still the Owner - But rather using the Wizard's assets (expiring contracts, draft picks, young talent) to bring in a defensive minded, rebounding Power Forward - and send Jamison, and his instant Offense to the bench, using him as a 6th man.

Thoughts?

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Sounds good enough to me

A Varejao or Noah type would be good for us, especially if he can run the floor and fill the lane on the break when Haywood’s in. I think our biggest hole is at the two, but I think there’s a better chance of Nick Young, Crittenton, or McGuire acquiring the all-around game and consistency required to become a starting two than there is that Jamison all of a sudden becomes a passable defender. I think his big problem, too, is that he’s not athletic, tall, or strong, and he can’t really do anything to change that. At the same time, I don’t know that he’d be willing to move to the bench.

by pantslessyoda1 on Mar 29, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Not so sure

First off, VERY interseting quote about their “knuckleheads.” I’d be shocked if that meant McGee. Kid is raw and young, but that’s what they drafted him expecting, and by all accounts he’s performed better this year than in past years. Most likely, they’re talking about Blatche, Pech and (possibly) Young.

Particularly if they are looking to trade Young, I think if they can’t nab Griffin, the greatest need is probably at shooting guard. Both Taser and Caron can switch into that spot a bit, but it isn’t a great fit for either of them, and I just don’t believe that “Mister 50” is going to be able to cut it as a starter on the elite squad we want to be.

We want a defensive specialist who’s a genuine three-point threat at the 2-spot, and I think if we add that, we probably keep AJ and his 20/10/no-defense in the starting lineup, running that sweet pick&pop with Gilbert like they used to. The other option – moving Jamison in favor of a more defense-minded low post threat – still leaves us very thin at the 2-spot, and I’m just not convinced that the wizards can be converted to a grind-it-out squad.

that said, I hope we can all agree at the outset that if this offseason goes by with no substantial roster shifts, we should be howling-mad at EG. “Maybe they’ll be healthy next time” isn’t good enough this summer.

by sierradave on Mar 29, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Knuckleheads?

I will grant that Andre Blatche has had some legal incidents that can be described as knuckleheaded, but the term seems a bit strong for any or all of the other young players. No arrests, sexual assaults, barroom brawls, or ugly incidents with teammates.
Their crime? They don’t work as hard as they could and they like to joke around. On a winning team these players would be praised for keeping the team “loose”. Yeah, they all could probably work harder to improve their games but the term “knucklehead” should be reserved for more serious offenses.

by hotplate on Mar 29, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I have not heard

ANY of the coaches or “veteran” players say that Pecherov, Young, or McGee were not working hard enough -

On the contrary, Tapscott has praised each for their hard work………

So, if the knuckleheaded-ness is not related to off-court incidents, and probably not related to work effort – - – - that leaves only the locker-room joviality as the barometer for “veteran” attitude, vs. kangaroo kiddy court.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Mar 29, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are right...

…that is why AJ calling out the young bros is so criminal

by ucantstopbernard on Mar 29, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

At 33 Jamison might actually add time to his....

productive career by becoming a sixth man again…. If he can give the team 15-17 points and 6-8 boards off the bench in 14-27 minutes that would be outstanding… A couple more and he would once again be Sixth Man of the Year.

So… always barring he Griffin miracle… who would take Young, Blatche, Thomas and the #4 pick for a REALLY good starting PF, a mid-round pick and a deep bench player??? Lamar Odom would of course be ideal, but more likely we are looking at trading a bit less than that and geting a David Lee, Luis Scola or Udonis Haslem. For me, the most intriguing and legitimate possibilities of all are Carlos Boozer and Shawn Marion…

I think that the Wizards are going to really roll the dice this off-season and we should be headed for way interesting times if they do.

by khrabb on Mar 29, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Boozer?

Boozer doesn’t play defense…. we’d only be trading one defensive liability for another…

And Shawn Marion is a 6’7" Small Forward…

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Mar 29, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Jamison doesn't want to go to the bench

And he wants to criticize and take shots at the young guys, but he won’t look in the mirror at his own deficiencies. Is it so wrong that for Nick Young, JaVale McGee, Pech and Blatche they are still young enough that just playing the game is fun. God I hope not because that is what I like about those four.

"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck

by George Templeton on Mar 30, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why not Chris Bosh

The Raptors may want to move him this summer, according to this report.

So what could we offer, better than the Warriors or Chicago?

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Mar 29, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Would Toronto take

$14 Million in Expiring contracts (James & Thomas) + Nick Young + JaVale McGee + Wizards # 1 pick in 2009 draft

for

Chris Bosh + Raptors #1 pick in the 2009 draft

??

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Mar 29, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Assumes, Bosh signs a contract extension

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Mar 29, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry about multiple replies to my own posts

Keep thinking about this trade….

Starting line-up:
PG – Arenas
SG – Stevenson
SF – Butler
PF – Bosh
C – Haywood

Bench = Jamison, Songaila, Blatche, McGuire, Crittenton, Toronto’s 1st round pick

Is that a team that could compete with Cleveland and Boston?
I think so…

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Mar 29, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think so

I kind of question Bosh’s heart sometimes, but that’s a team that can match up with anyone. We’d probably need another backcourt player, but maybe that’s what we can use the draft pick for.

by pantslessyoda1 on Mar 29, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus

The Wizards would free up 3 roster spots, for the Toronto 1st round pick, AND the Wizard’s 2nd round pick.

Ernie has shown a propensity for picking good players in the 2nd round…. and the Wizards will have a HIGH 2nd round pick. Hate to see them sell the pick just because they don’t have roster room, like they did last year.

Perhaps bring back Dee Brown as the 3rd Point Guard as the 14th guy on the bench….
The team would be short on SG, but Butler can slide over, or McGuire in certain situations…. and Crittenton can play combo guard as well…

Roster would be:
Starters: Arenas, Stevenson, Butler, Bosh, Haywood
Bench: Jamison, Songaila, Blatche, McGuire, Crittenton
end of Bench: Toronto’s 1st, Wizard’s 2nd, Pecherov, Dee Brown

At least one of those draft picks should be a Shooting Guard.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Mar 29, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Expiring contracts

Would Toronto really be interested in a full year of Mike James and Etan Thomas? I could see on or the other but not both. Actually, I don’t think there will be a market for their contracts until mid-year. Given Jamison’s trade deadline popularity, would it be heresy to shop him around? Jamison, Blatche, our first round pick for Bosh and Toronto’s first round pick? Or even better, Jamison and Blatche straight up for Bosh.

by hotplate on Mar 29, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Bosh's heart is okay...

on a winning team…

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by Kyle Weidie on Mar 31, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll tell you who the knucklehead is...

…It’s AJ – ANTAWN JAMISON. The self proclaimed Jedi Master, O-B-1, DON CORLEON, GEPETTO, and Yoda himself.

I am so sick and tired of AJ talking about leadership instead of showing it. Calling out his teammates in the public.

Good riddance AJ, YOU ARE THE KNUCKLEHEAD. YOU ARE THE EMPEROR WITH NO CLOTHES. YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR HYPE — I DON’T. BECAUSE YOU SUCK, THE WIZ SUCK. WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? JORDAN? YOU SUCK AJ!

by ucantstopbernard on Mar 29, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I've always liked Antawn, but he's really sounded like a scold this year.

It’s hard listening to him lecture other guys and act like he has all the answers. As Aldridge says, the team won’t win until it starts playing defense. And that’s a problem, because Antawn’s defense stinks.

On top of that, Antawn wants Gilbert to sacrifice for the good of the team. Shouldn’t Antawn have sacrificed some of his minutes this season to help the young guys develop?

Great post, Rook.

by antawnjameson on Mar 29, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks Antawn

The reason I posted this was not to bash Antawn Jamison – who I have the utmost respect for as a player. Guys that put up 20 and 10 every night, and play 38-40 minutes a night, for all 82 games are really hard to find…

With a healthy Gilbert Arenas, and Brendan Haywood – I see this club as the 4th best in the Eastern Conference….. Perhaps the 3rd best if someone else falters, or has injury problems. But I do not see how they can compete against those top clubs (Boston, Cleveland and Orlando) without playing better defense…

Some have suggested a wing upgrade (Jason Richardson, John Salmons, etc…) might be the best move – but I still think the Wizards would come up short in a 7-game series with Boston or Cleveland.

A trade I suggested above (for Bosh), along with a sound defensive strategy, would greatly improve the Wizards defense – while at the same time improving the consistency of the Bench scoring by moving Jamison there. – While at the same time, the team would get older, and the time for competing for a Championship would be compressed.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Mar 29, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I just kept thinking that Bosh was...

out of the question for us. But, hey, these are the times to think big thoughts. For Abe Pollin, acquiring Bosh this year would be the equivalent of dealing for Elvin Hayes in the mid-70s. Bosh is not quite Hayes, but he is pretty darn good at both ends. It seems sure that he wants to leave Toronto and, so, why not here?

You are also right that all of the other options that I (and others) had brought up were too heavily weighted on the offensive side…. an Eastern equivalent of the recent fun ’n gun Suns would be highly entertaining but would not get the WIzards to the Conference Finals, much less a shot at the big trophy.

by khrabb on Mar 29, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where is the position of most need?
heavily weighted on the offensive side

Exactly…

So, I tried to look at the team, strictly from a defensive standpoint. Where is the weak link, defensively.
Haywood is more than solid, and probably the best individual and help defender on the team.
Butler tends to go for too many steals, but is solid otherwise.
Stevenson, when healthy, may not be a lock down defender, but he’s certainly above average.
Arenas has the tools (quickness, speed, etc..) he just never seemed to put too much effort
Jamison is just worse than poor on defense. Slow to react. Not especially athletic. Does not hold position well.

Songaila is not spectacular, but is certainly solid as a backup PF
Blatche has some bad habits, but with proper coaching, he has skills and attributes that could make him a good defender.
I think Dom McGuire is fast becoming the Wizard’s equivalent of Bruce Bowen or Shane Battier-Lite….
Nick Young is a poor defender…. but never put much effort into it either… (except the last nine games)
Javaris Crittenton has shown that he can be a very good defender.
JaVale McGee just needs some strength and weight training.

So, to change the Wizards from a poor defensive team to a middle-of-the-pack team….. I think you only need to get a Coach that has a solid defensive system (that covers opponent 3-point shooters) and replace one bad defensive player in the starting line up – - – Jamison.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Mar 29, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

i think it will be MUCH easier

to cover opponents 3-point shooting with haywood back.

"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler

by little stevie colter on Mar 29, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

And there was the little bit about Avery Johnson

who imho would be the perfect coach, and for the same reasons people say it wouldn’t work, which are that the players might hate him. I think one of the problems with the team is that it coddles its players and doesn’t motivate them to develop, and lets face it a lot of these guys don’t have the maturity to self-motivate. We need “the general” to come in and get these guys in shape and playing defense and playing a well-distributed team offense. If are guys are too rebellious to win under a coach like Avery, they are not going to win anyway because the sum of the natural defects of our players, especially on defense, is going to keep us from even sniffing a championship.

by morethesamewiz on Mar 29, 2009 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

It's not just that players would dislike him

it’s how he deals with point guards. He basically called all the plays in his last year and made Devin Harris walk the ball up the court (Harris’ breakout this year is only partially explained by playing with Carter- not playing for Johnson is part of it as well), and when the Mavs traded Kidd the reports were that Johnson wanted to change how he played. I just don’t think that will work with Arenas.

by Jon L on Mar 29, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's like Parenting...

…telling other parents and announcing to the general public that your kids are lazy kids is not parenting or leading. We know most kids are lazy. But they need to be led.

What kind of parent would publicly humiliate or shame their kids? What kind of teammate would do that? You better a complete and utter stud – someone who brings it on OFFENSE AND DEFENSE night after night.

Yeah, some kids don’t grow up until they’ve lost opportunities…but some do. AJ has got to realize that he is just exposing his own failures. That he’s not concerned about the family name but only his name.

AJ, admit you failed as a leader before you continue to dime out those who look up to you.

by ucantstopbernard on Mar 29, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

i regret...

…that you are right on all counts.

by ucantstopbernard on Mar 30, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not surprising

Aldridge’s comment about the Wizards wanting to move a couple of “knuckleheaded” young players is not surprising. This team has been both impatient with young players, and unable to develop young players for years. They want the quick fix of veterans, and are not willing to endure growing pains or the maturation process.

Just off the top of my head, look at the list of young players that the Wizards have traded for older players in recent years:

Chris Webber for Mitch Richmond and Otis Thorpe
Rip Hamilton for Jerry Stackhouse
5th pick for Jamison
12th pick for Mark Price (Kobe was picked 13th)
Ben Wallace and others for Ike Austin
Rasheed Wallace for Rod Strickland

Exactly one of those trades can be said to have worked out (the Jamison trade). So, they will trade Nick Young or Blatche or McGee for some so-so veteran, and the kids will do great elsewhere, and the Wizards will muddle along as usual and maybe win one or two games in the playoffs. Big surprise. Bad organizations don’t make noise in the playoffs unless they luck out with a great player (e.g., Cleveland, with LeBron). Good organizations aren’t impatient, and don’t label 22 years olds who improve every year as irredeemable knuckleheads.

by disgrunted on Mar 29, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions  

i regret...

…that you are right on all counts.

by ucantstopbernard on Mar 30, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very well said, disgruntled.

And you can even argue that the Jamison trade didn’t work out all that well. They could have drafted Iguodola or Devin Harris with that #5 pick. And with the salary savings, they could have added an MLE-caliber veteran to lineup as well.

by nate33 on Mar 30, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I worded my post to acknowledge that some could argue that the Wizards would have been better off keeping that 5th pick. I’m on the fence on that one, mostly because the Wizards never made the playoffs until Jamison was acquired, and until this year, never missed the playoffs with him. It’s hard to argue with that success rate. But we’ll never know what would have happened if the Wizards kept Stackhouse and selected Harris, Iguodala or Deng. A backcourt of Arenas and Iguodala would have been something.

by disgrunted on Mar 30, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blatche may be an underachieving knucklehead...

… but he’s still a pretty decent basketball player on an absurdly cheap contract.

I’ll be the first to say that his poor work ethic is probably holding him back from becoming a quality starting caliber big man. But rIght now, he’s our only competent backup center behind Haywood, and he’s arguably our best backup PF behind Jamison. If he were to be traded, he’d have to be replaced with somebody, and that somebody will almost certainly cost more than Blatche.

I would only condone a Blatche trade if it brought us back a quality 25-minute-per-game big man, or if helped to dump a lot of long term salary so that we avoid the luxtax next year and, more importantly, the year after.

by nate33 on Mar 30, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

And he's 22

I always enjoy middle-aged journalists and management types tsk-tsking and shaking their heads about how some 22 year old “doesn’t get it.”

Blatche has the talent to be a lot more than he is, but (1) if he had that drive 5 years ago, he wouldn’t have been a second round pick; (2) he would be making 3 times what he is now; and (3) who’s to say the lightbulb won’t go on next year, or the year after that, or when he turns 25?

I wouldn’t trade Blatche. My position on the Wizards is that, as currently constructed, they don’t have enough to make the Eastern Conference Finals. They don’t need some average vets to get over the hump — they are too far away for that. Instead, they need to get lucky to add an outstanding player. That can be via the draft this year, or one of their youngsters needs to make the leap to top 50 or 60 in the league. Blatche, Young and McGee — they all have that chance. Will any of them make it? With good coaching and a little luck, maybe one of them will, and that will vault the Wizards into serious contention. Trading them for cap relief or some random vet gets the Wiz nowhere.

by disgrunted on Mar 30, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed...don't trade Blatche

…he’s immature and lazy. Under the right tutelage, Blatche can and will blossom.

by ucantstopbernard on Mar 31, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

THE Knucklehead

In my mind is Blatche…

I understand that he is still young….but I’ve just never really seen an intense fire from that guy that would make me say, “I want that dude in my foxhole when we go to war.”

Get rid of him for something better while he’s still “young” and showing potential.

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by Kyle Weidie on Mar 31, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

He's young

but this is also his fourth year in the league.

by Jon L on Mar 31, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s also only paid three million dollars and , despite his lack of desire or whatnot, still produces way more than his salary.

He’s a bargain already.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Mar 31, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

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