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Well, I guess we should've seen an article like this coming. There's a lot of stuff to digest in there. Not quite sure what part is going to get the most attention yet, but I get the feeling that we'll be talking about this one quite a bit.

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Oh man

I need to sleep on this.

I did like this quote, though.

There seemed to be two teams in the locker room — the old heads who honored their profession and were Obama-serious about their careers. And the young knuckleheads, who, left to their own devices, enabled one another to stay children and put off adulthood. They could have used the self-proclaimed “goofball who worked out six hours a day.” He bridged the locker room gap; Arenas knew when to play and when to work.

I feel like this was mentioned somewhere before

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Mar 27, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions  

to quote cool hand luke -

quit feedin’ off me, wise!

actually i like wise – and i’m with you, i need to digest this. first reading had me thinking all positives about gil, but i’m sure further review will reveal plenty of contradictions.

"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler

by little stevie colter on Mar 27, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in the same boat...

One read through and I like everything gil had to say here. Maybe a little too honest at various points but that’s the way he is.

by five by five on Mar 27, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me too -

Good for Gil in speaking his mind. I’ve been very anti-Gil lately and when he says stuff like this – I like him a little bit more.

by ooba on Mar 27, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've never been a Mike Wise fan

but to say that Arenas won’t have his career deteriorate just because he hasn’t had the specific injury that Penny Hardaway had?

I mean, I hope his career doesn’t end up that way, but that’s awful reasoning.

by Jon L on Mar 27, 2009 12:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Except that Mike Wise is right

The surgery that Penny was MAJOR knee surgery; reconstructing his knee by having his anterior cruciate ligament replaced! I’ve had that surgery done to my right knee (along with repairing the Medial collateral ligament, a broken patella and a torn Patellar ligament). It can take up to 18 months of intensive rehab just to be able to walk without a limp after a reconstruction.

Arenas has had 2 meniscus repairs (a very minor procedure) – and a flushing (a walk in, walk out type of deal)…

Arenas should be able to do everything he could do before…. The “damage” to his knee was minimal… and the surgeries should have completely fixed any problems.

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by Rook6980 on Mar 27, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

when i'm feeling optimistic

that’s what i think about gil’s injuries – none of the surgeries were serious, supposedly.
but then, how did he miss this entire season after just having it flushed???

"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler

by little stevie colter on Mar 27, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except that

there have been plenty of other players who have lost their careers to recurring injuries or surgery who didn’t have the same surgery Hardaway did. Citing the absence of one specific procedure as a major reason Arenas should be fine from now on is awful logic.

I don’t necessarily disagree with what Wise is saying, but the way he says it is bad from a philosophical/rhetorical/writing point of view.

by Jon L on Mar 27, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yowza

Every regular here could literally write a different critique based on this article. Example: Gilbert was pushing Jamison and Butler to light a fire under the young guys. No wonder Jamison was fuming a few weeks ago; he was partially upset that he didn’t get on the players early on.

by Pryme on Mar 27, 2009 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

i took this as

even though Jamison is respected as a consumate pro (insert defense here) he was a fill-in leader and didn’t have the charisma to bring the young guys to task.

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by KD Drummond on Mar 27, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

well let’s see what a Gil-led team will be like. It’s been so long that I don’t remember.

by Johnnie Futbol on Mar 27, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually only really started following the Wizards around November of 07

So I only know Gilbert Arenas’ Wizards through youtube clips and a few bballvideos games I downloaded. The idea of a fast-paced team with a borderline unstoppable scorer seems just…un-Wizardly.

by pantslessyoda1 on Mar 27, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the kind of stuff I miss without Arenas around:

Before he got off the phone, I asked Arenas if he had any preference on whom the Wizards draft in June with their lottery pick. I could hear him sighing at the thought of another young buck to tame. “I don’t pay attention to the JV until they get here,” he said.

Hilarious.

by Matt K. on Mar 27, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Rehab or Not.....

Why did Gil all of a sudden stop sitting on the bench at home games, going on road trips?

Ok sure….he didn’t want to be a “distraction” — or didn’t travel because of “rehab”

Whatever.

The door was wide open for him to be on the bench, on the road, helping the kids.

He just didn’t walk in.

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by Kyle Weidie on Mar 27, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Thoughts

1. I wish Wise would release the full transcript.
2. In some cases Wise puts things in quotes mid-sentence and its not clear whether its from this interview or prior statements Arenas had made, such as the “goofball who works out 6 hours a day” quote. And for instance when he talked about Arenas’ plan for summer training with the young guys, the only quote he included was that it was to “teach them what I know.” I think the rest of that quote would be interesting also. Remember, earlier this season Arenas told Ivan Carter seriously that he was going to play Summer League.
3.Arenas lowers expectations by calling his games this season “rehab” and not a “comeback.”
4. He says that he is the same player, but reminds people that he never was a “big jumper” and never did a “360 half-spin.” Is he trying to reshape our memory of his abilities so that he can lower the bar of “being the same player” he was before the injury?
5. He criticizes those who consider him a thief. Well, I don’t feel that way, but people are certainly justified in being angry that he was not fully forthcoming during last summer’s contract negotiations with the team about the state of his knee and his plan to have a third surgery. The front office said they had not been made aware ahead of time of these plans.
6. He takes the blame that the “young players didn’t get better this season.” I think him taking the blame, which is politeness, is less important than his belief that these guys didn’t improve.
7. He says Young has “Kevin Durant talent”, Blatche has 12 points, 12 rebounds potential, and McGee can be “a factor every night.” He characterizes Young, McGee, and Critt as “projects.” He makes no mention of Pecherov. Is this indicative of a broader sense among the players that Pecherov is a bust and not worth dealing with?
8. He pledges to spend the summer training with the young guys, so whether he follows through should tell us some more about his character and leadership potential.
9. Says he told Jamison and Butler to “get on the young guys.” Previously I think many of us, maybe just me, had expected him to act as a bridge between the vets and the youth. Maybe that’s not how it will play out.
10. “I can’t watch this. This isn’t basketball.” Is this his explanation for his complete withdrawal from the team this year, and failure to be a player-coach from the bench, a role I think it’s fair to expect a max-contract player to assume.
11. “If I went into darkness mood, like training camp, maybe it would have been different.”
Any ideas what he’s talking about here.

Sorry for the length guys, I’m not trying to push my opinions, I’m more putting these observations I had on the article to elicit your analysis, because I’m not sure what to make of most of this interview.

One last bit: Arenas is a super-max-contract player now. With this year gone to injury, he is now making 111 million over five seasons, 22.2 million a year, so he’s got a deal fatter than most of the max players, and should be treated like one of them.

by morethesamewiz on Mar 27, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Huh?
With this year gone to injury, he is now making 111 million over five seasons, 22.2 million a year, so he’s got a deal fatter than most of the max players, and should be treated like one of them.

He got paid this year, so that’s wrong.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Mar 27, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he meant

that’s how much he’s actually being paid to play the next 5 years

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Mar 27, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure

I agree with your assessment. The days of the player coach went out with Bill Russell. Kobe, who regularly treats his teammates like dirt, supposedly forces them to improve by relentlessly pursuing perfection. Even Garnett, was on several terrible Wolves teams, despite his vaunted “leadership” skills. I think Gil nailed it on the head when he mentioned other teams having “2 veterans leave, only to replace them with 2 more veterans.” This team has no leadership, and I’m not sure that the return of self-proclaimed “scorer” is going to help that much, at least at first.

But what do I know, I gave up on this team after the AD trade, which still makes me angry.

Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!

by Sean Fagan on Mar 27, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

For about 8 million reasons

1. The Wiz lost the only person who could run their offense.
2. The lost a competitor.
3. Mike James makes me want to tear out my eyeballs.
4. He hated losing

Pragmatically, getting Crittendon in the trade is a huge plus for the Wiz. But it doesn’t make them better now. And from everything I’ve read or heard from Gil, Caron, and Antawn, they want to win now, not three years from now. I used to think that Ernie was a pretty smart guy and was stockpiling chips to trade for another borderline allstar. Now, I think he is completely enamored on the possible explosion of Blatche, Young ect. and I don’t see that happening.

Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!

by Sean Fagan on Mar 27, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

So

Arenas comes back and plays 33-35 minutes per game next year….. Mike James has an expiring contract and will be dealt, either during the Summer, or before the Trade Deadline.

That leaves Gil’s backup as………Javaris Crittenton. And he’ll only have to play 15-20 minutes a night…..

I understand your angst about losing a good guy (Daniels), but it’s what is best for the team that counts. And I don’t believe that Crittenton is “three years” away from contributing 15 minutes a night…..

I also don’t believe that the Wizards are “three years” away from winning…. they’ll be a 50 win team next year.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Mar 27, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

probably

but that also places the assumption that someone will take Mike James. But as he has an expiring contract, it is more likely than not.

I guess my point is that it seems impossible to win now, when your other foot is planted firmly in the future. I think that that banking on 1-2 of your upsides is pragmatic – but hoping that all 5 turn out for the best is foolish optimism.

I don’t see 50 wins – not from a team whose young player shaven’t progressed. But – a new coach – a healthy Haywood and Arenas and anything might be possible.

Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!

by Sean Fagan on Mar 27, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Winning

How can you even consider that the Wizards won’t be a winning squad next year?

Gilbert Arenas (2 time All-Star), DeShawn Stevenson, Caron Butler (2 time All-Star), Antawn Jamison and Brendan Haywood… That’s your starting 5.

Then the bench consists of:
Blatche (either as Center for Haywood, or PF for Jamison, for 20 minutes a game),
Nick Young (for Stevenson, for 20-25 minutes a game),
McGuire (who’s been solid, in for Butler for 15 minutes a game),
J-Critt (in for Gilbert for 15 minutes a night)
Songaila (filling in wherever needed along the front line)

That’s a 10-deep team…. with some veterans behind the young guys (Mike James, Etan Thomas) just in case those young players (Young, McGuire, Critt) can’t get it done….

And I didn’t even mention JaVale McGee, or the Wizard’s first round pick (hopefully Griffin or Rubio)…

I just cannot see how that team can be any worse than the 4th best team in the Eastern Conference; and depending on how everything gels together, they could be very very good.

The key, as it’s been every year with this team, is HEALTH.

If they stay relatively healthy, I think they can make a run at Boston and Cleveland…. If they have a few injuries (nothing major, no one out for the year, etc…), they’ll be very good (4th in the East). But if they are decimated by injuries again…. they’ll be 17-56 by this time again next year.

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by Rook6980 on Mar 27, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

But those are huge assumptions

so who is running the second unit? Is it Crittendon with Blatche, Young and McGuire – because I haven’t seen a whole lot of improvement.

If you are making the point that Young and Blatche have made enough progress this year to give us a realistic chance of making the playoffs, much less making it out of the first round I would love to see it. And I’m not being snide – I will take any positive data and analysis that I can find. What I see now is the prospect of two returning starters – one of which hasn’t played in two years. A SG who nosedived this year, Jamison a year older, and Caron still plagued with niggling injuries.

I see a backup SG who still can’t rotate on defense, a backup /PFC who can’t stay out of foul trouble, and another backup C who is still 2-3 years away.

Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!

by Sean Fagan on Mar 27, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would the proposed finish next year be...

some variation of Boston/Cleveland/Orlando and then the Wiz…?

Because from where I stand Philly is getting Brand back, and they have players like Young, Speights and Williams who have actually improved.

Atlanta is a playoff team right now…and the younger players are actually good.

Miami still has D-Wade and the the same argument could be made for Beasely that is made about any of our youngsters.

and I’m not sure we could beat Detroit as currently comprised….

Maybe 7th or 8th – if we stay healthy and there is some SIGNIFICANT improvement from our younger players…

Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!

by Sean Fagan on Mar 27, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really...

The AD trade made (and continues to make, given Critt’s progress) all the sense in the world. AD can’t go for more than 10 mnute a game at this point. Yes, he was one helluva competitor. But unfortunately he left everything on the floor last year. Now, today, he needs to be back-up to a Chris Paul not a lead guard… I only wish he had a worthy group of bench players to inspire in New Orleans but right now it’s pretty much him and Posey.

My TOP PRIZE for Gil quotes in the Wise column: “"When you have a bunch of projects, then you’re living in the ’hood” That, folks, is first-rate word play. Gotta love this guy.

by khrabb on Mar 27, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

and for the future, the move makes sense. But I don’t think Mike James is the type of player I want Nick Yound to emulate. And that ticks me off. And perhaps this point belongs in Prada’s post about old vs. young…

but the pattern of play has been the same since SUMMER LEAGUE when Blatche was hoisting up 20 footers and Young still couldn’t defend my gradmother in her walker. And you can’t blame Tapscott, because the team was under the care of Eddie and his assistant coaches during that time.

Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!

by Sean Fagan on Mar 27, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

They could have solved the problem you suggested

By not playing Mike James at all. That’s kind of what I expected anyway.

Having him start and play all those minutes just compounded the issue.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Mar 27, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or you know...

actually coached AB and NY to become better basketball players. Or drafted players who don’t take 3-4 years to develop….
 
I don’t know…at this point I’m not sure what the solution is. You can’t give up on the young players because we have already invested in the future. On the other hand – I’m not sure the play of the JaVale, Blatche and Young have given the veterans any comfort that things are going to be better next year….

Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!

by Sean Fagan on Mar 27, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Development

I think it’s a shame that the Wizards have had the perfect opportunity to develop a young core of players (Young, McGee, McGuire, Pecherov, Crittenton) – and they have wasted that opportunity.

The Wizards have been battling injuries all year…. playing most of the year with 9-11 healthy bodies. And instead of taking the opportunity to allow their drafted assets to mature by playing in actual NBA games, the Coaching staff, has instead instituted the asinine policy of the “Palace of Good Play”.

Player Development. Other teams seem to “get it”. The Memphis Grizzlies played their drafted assets (OJ Mayo, Marc Gasol, Mike Conley and Darrell Arthur) to play meaningful minutes – and the players responded. The Portland Coaches didn’t think their “veterans” gave them the best chance of winning a few games – instead, they knew that if they played Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, Rudy Fernandez, and Greg Oden meaningful minutes – they would continue to develop and gel into a very good team. Even the OKC Thunder had 4 kids (Rookies and 2nd year players) that played 20 minutes or more for the whole year. Even Detroit……..old, decrepit, veteran Detroit. They gave steady, meaningful playing time to last year’s 1st round draft choice, and now Rodney Stuckey is a star in the League.

Then there’s the Wizards – who were fated to be injury struck this year. Instead of turning that problem into an opportunity – we, the fans, were forced to watch the Wizards “ride their horses” (Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison) into the ground. We were treated to 29 minutes a night of Mike James – while Javaris Crittenton sat the bench for 2/3 of the year; and Nick Young kept looking over his shoulder every time he made a mistake. We got to watch 6’9" Darius Songaila battle the likes of Dwight Howard, Ilgauskas and Emeka Okafor – while a young phenom Center, itching to be taught a lesson, was sitting on the bench. While rookie centers Brook Lopez (Nets) and Marc Gasol (Memphis) were getting valuable playing time (30 minutes per game) , and learning to play in the NBA – The Wizard’s young Center was picking splinters from his rear.

But despite all that – despite the Wizards Coaching Staff; despite the ragged and inconsistent playing time; despite the “veteran” griping and sniping in the newspapers……. and despite the “Palace of Good Play” and the “Golden Outhouse of non-veterans”…………McGuire looks like a real NBA player, with a real NBA jump shot…. Crittenton has shown a real flair for running the team, and a gritty defensive mentality….. McGee has shown flashes of awe inspiring greatness…. and Nick Young…. poor, poor Nick Young – has actually managed to improve his turn over rate, his assist ratio, his scoring average and looks like he’s comfortable in the Offensive scheme…. AND he actually looked like he cared on defense the last few games…

So – I am very optimistic about next year. With a full compliment of players, the right Coach, and a nice young bench that seems to be developing (albeit slowly) despite the Wizards worst efforts, they could be pretty scary next year.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Mar 27, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

This just summed up the season better than anything I’ve seen so far.

by pantslessyoda1 on Mar 27, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Headline Change

Now it reads: “For Wizards, It’s Back to Ground Zero”

Wonder if someone complained about the previous version?

by Pryme on Mar 27, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

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