Praise for JaVale McGee from a Kings Fan
A commenter on SacTown Royalty, twasserm, an obvious Kings fan and east coast dweller who went to Sunday's game, had some nice praise for JaVale McGee:
If Javale McGee were on the Kings, we would all love him. He’s a skinny but really athletic big who plays with the same expression on his face that Donté has on his. A few calls went against him and he didn’t sulk or let the frustration affect how he played. When McCants hugged him on the break and McGee made a circus shot anyway, you could tell how much all of his teammates loved the guy.
He’d be like last year’s Mikki Moore with better hands, upside, a future, and a rookie contract. If Washington is looking to unload salary this summer but wants to keep their draft pick, I would be thrilled if they’d give us McGee to take Etan Thomas’ contract. I might take Nick Young also (he’s what McCants would be if McCants were a few inches taller, a bit smarter of a player, and not a thug), but I’d be thrilled if they’d give us McGee.
Of course, if McGee were traded just to get rid of Etan's undesirable contract, the brick coming out of all our butts would be mighty painful.
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Thanks Truth
I was so busy reading the Kings related portion, that I entirely missed the Kings part of it. So, thanks for bringing it to my attention.
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Just to be clear,
I know that every Washington fan would hate it if you gave away McGee just to dump salary. Even if we were the beneficiaries (which isn’t particularly likely as our owners aren’t exactly looking to take on salary), I would feel bad for you if you made such an egregious salary dump with bad basketball implications. I loved watching the guy and I’m sure you guys love him too.
But around the trade deadline, there were rumors that your management really really wanted to cut salary so badly that they might have been willing to give up their 2009 draft pick— which had a great shot at being #1 overall— to get someone to take on Thomas’ contract. At Sactown Royalty, we were salivating over the possibility of getting two incredibly high 2009 firsts (yours and ours). Even in our world of desperation salary cutting, giving away a potential overall #1 is shockingly unheardof. If that were the alternative, would giving away 2008’s mid-lottery pick be worth keeping your 2009 1st?
I’d be curious to hear from Washington fans. Let’s take a hypothetical scenario. Suppose your ownership were so desperate to cut costs that they were willing to do anything to get rid of Thomas’ contract. Suppose that you got the #2 pick in the coming draft. Both moves would suck from a fan’s perspective, but would you be more willing to give up the 2009 #2 overall pick to move Thomas or more willing to give up McGee?
Personally, the #2
though that depends on whether Rubio’s in the draft. If he’s not, and most indications are that he won’t be, then I don’t think any of the non-Griffin players mentioned as possible high picks are worth it, frankly. I like Harden and Rook is swaying me a little on Jordan Hill, but I think a different year those players go towards the bottom of the lottery. The Wizards are also stuck in this limbo where we have enough veterans that the pick probably won’t play a lot for a few years (especially if he’s a forward) as well as a number of young guys who need/should see time on the court so the team can evaluate them. I’m a little afraid that a non-Griffin, non-Rubio pick in the top five will throw off the team’s balance in that regard without giving the Wizards enough value in return.
I'd give a slight edge to keeping McGee
A top-five pick is pretty nice, but I thinks it helps to look at it this way – If Javale McGee had stayed in college, beasted at Nevada this past year, and had the same reputation as a decent guy with good fundamentals, where would he go in this year’s draft? Personally, I think he would be taken somewhere in the upper-top ten, which isn’t that far from where we’d be drafting, so I wouldn’t really mind dumping the Thomas contract if it means losing the pick. Still, it’d be a pretty big letdown to know that the only benefit to sitting through this horrible season is cap relief.
by pantslessyoda1 on Mar 17, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
McGee in a heartbeat
Some of us vastly overrate McGee and underrate the potential of the top players in this draft. Recall that most Wizards fans were ready to riot when McGee was the pick last June.
Then again, if the Wizards throw away a top 5 pick just to get rid of the one year remaining on Etan Thomas’s contract, I will no longer follow the Wizards. If the Wizards organization doesn’t care, why should I?
Sorry
I meant keep the pick, move McGee. But again, neither is a good option.
Rumors are just that --- rumors
Everything that has come directly from Washington Management has indicated:
1. They are willing to pay the Luxury Tax
2. They will keep the pick if it’s the #1
3. They won’t “dump salary” unless it makes basketball sense
The most likely scenario:
1. If the Wizards are lucky enough to get the #1 pick they will draft Griffin.
2. If the Wizards are lucky enough to get the #2 pick AND Rubio declares, they’ll draft Rubio. (perfect scenario**)
3. If the Wizards aren’t lucky in the Draft Lottery, they’ll either trade down (and select DeJuan Blair?), or package the pick with an expiring contract to get a solid starting quality veteran.
4. At the Trade Deadline in Feb 2010, the Wizards will trade their expiring contracts (Thomas & James) for solid, starting quality veteran(s).
5. If necessary, the Wizards will pay the tax for 2009-2010…. (they will be UNDER the tax threshhold in 2010-2011)
- * This is the perfect scenario, because they can leave Rubio overseas for a year or two, and his salary would not count on the Tax…
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Good analysis
I agree with just about everything you said. The only thing I’m not sure about is whether or not they’ll trade Etan Thomas and Mike James, rather than just let their contracts come off the books, since Gilbert and Antawn’s deals most likely increase each year, Nick Young, Taser, and Crittenton, and they’re going to have to resign Caron Butler after the 2010-2011 season, plus they’ll have to give McGee an extension at some point. Some of this will be taken care of as some of our veterans expire, but it’ll still be easier if we’re not within one million dollars of the luxury tax every year for the next half decade.
by pantslessyoda1 on Mar 17, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, good analysis
I’d add that while I think your perfect scenario sounds great, it’s extremely unlikely. I don’t see why Rubio comes out this year just to stay where he is. Unless he wants to go to a particular club that has #1 or 2 pick. I’d guess he just comes out next year.
by MR on Mar 17, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Same reason JCN stayed in Spain
JCN couldn’t get his Spanish team to come down on his buy out….
Perhaps Rubio, like JCN, will declare hoping that his Spanish Team (DKV Joventut) will reduce his buy out… Things I’ve read about his contract say that he’s the most underpaid player in the entire EuroLeague; making something like 80,000 Euros ($105K US – which is a TOTAL JOKE ) and that his $6 Million Euro buy out is not proportionate to an 80,000 Euro contract, and wouldn’t hold up in Court.
He’s already said he wants to play in the NBA… that’s his dream.
Ernie Grunfeld could draft Rubio – and allow him to stay in Spain for the remaining one or two years of his contract…. Like he did with JCN. – - – OR, if DKV Joventut agrees to a lower buyout, he could come over right away.
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And oh by the way....
If you’re Ricky Rubio, and you have the chance to be drafted THIS year by the Washington Wizards – who, with a healthy Arenas, Haywood and Stevenson have a legitimate chance to compete in the Eastern Converence…..
OR
Wait around for next year’s draft and get drafted by one of the NBA’s bottom dwellers (Sacramento, Golden State, etc…)
Which route would you pick?
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Similarly
Blake Griffin will probably want to go to one of two places…. Oklahoma City Thunder, where he’s already got a tremendous following – or the Washington Wizards, where he can go to the playoffs…. (Maybe Memphis, because they only lack a good, strong PF; and they could be good)…
If I’m Blake Griffin, I certainly wouldn’t want to go to the LA Clippers or the Sacramento Kings or the Timberwolves or Raptors….
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You have some good points
but I’m guessing he’ll probably come out when he’s ready to play, not a year earlier.
It sure would be nice to see him in a the old teal and gold, though.
by MR on Mar 17, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Rubio v. Young
I know Rubio has hype in his favor and a lot in camp are anti-Young this year (his defense and nature to turn the ball over while smiling can get on the nerves of anyone), but what does Rubio really give other than potential and offensive up-swing that Young doesn’t give? I mean, Rubio is still a project on the defensive end, right? Why not look at established point guards like Johnny Flynn out of Syracuse (should he decide to put himself up)?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=36581
I’m commenting on the Rubio I saw after watching him play as a 17-year-old in the Olympics over the summer, and I was not impressed by his game. Has he matured since then?
Rubio vs. Young? No Contest...
Since they play different positions, comparing Rubio (PG) to Young (SG) is probably not only difficult, but unfair as well.
However, Ricky Rubio is no hyped up Euro chump; He’s the real deal.
Look, I love Nick Young. Always have. But Nick doesn’t exactly have the highest basketball IQ. Even I can admit that.
Rubio on the other hand, may be one of the smartest basketball players in the world. Extremely high basketball IQ; knowing precisely when to go for the steal, or make the pass, or cut to the basket.
Nick is not much of a defender. He’s definitely making progress, but he’s still below average. Rubio on the other hand is a nightmare for opposing ball handlers. He averages 5.2 steals per game (Per 40 Pace Adjusted) in EuroLeague play. You cannot expose the ball to him – he WILL take it. At 6’4", with a lanky frame, long arms, and extremely quick hands, Rubio has the physical tools of a very good defender. More importantly, he has the mentality of a defender….. and the desire to defend. Those are things you cannot teach. Although he’s not considered quick laterally, I’ve yet to see many guards out-quick him to the lane.
As for Offense – here is where Nick gets the nod. Nick can create his own shot, practically any time he wants to. Ricky Rubio’s jumper still needs a bit of work. But again, this is like trying to compare the flavor of steak against Chocolate. Rubio’s value is not in his jump shot, but in his ability to run the Offense, and get his teammates easy shots.
Jonny Flynn ? ; he is a good player and will probably be able to carve out a career in the NBA as a back-up PG somewhere – but he’s nowhere near the talent that Rubio is. While Flynn has been playing against High School and College kids for the last 3 years, Rubio has been playing with and against Professionals (MEN) in ACB and EuroLeague (the best Professional League outside the NBA).
Here’s some more information about Rubio:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3469578
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ricky-Rubio-1155/
http://www.bulletsforever.com/2009/2/13/758026/draft-prospect-ricky-rubio
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