Trade Deadline Open Thread
by Jake Whitacre on Feb 18, 2009 9:35 PM EST
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For me, trade deadline day is one of the most exciting days of the year. There's so much stuff to talk about and so little time to get to all of it.
The last few years, I've known going into this day that the Wizards weren't going to figure in to trade talks, but this year things are a bit different. The Antawn-for-Wally trade talk seems to have cooled off, but there's still going to be some offers for Ernie Grunfeld to look at.
The newest rumor sounds a lot like the one that we've heard many times before in the past:
It was about a week ago that someone told me that a Larry Hughes for Etan Thomas and Mike James swap may not go down until the last minute as the Bulls look for better deals for Hughes. The trade deadline is tomorrow at 3 p.m.
If that's the case, then I get the feeling that we'll see Larry Hughes in a Wizards uniform tomorrow. I don't see why any other team would try to make a deal for Hughes unless it was part of some big swap like the one he was involved in last year at this time. {UPDATE: Well I'm an idiot, the Knicks might be trying to acquire Larry as well.] Hughes wouldn't fix the team's cap issues, but I think the hope would be that he could revitalize what's left of his career back in D.C. At worst, it's a nothing for nothing move.
Over at FanHouse, Tom Ziller makes the case for trading Jamison or Butler to save the lottery pick. Here's the crux of his argument:
Jamison, strong as he is, will make $50 million over the next three seasons. You'd save roughly $14 million total in the attached bad contract salary by trading the top pick. A No. 3 pick will make less than $13 million over the same three-year span. So basically, keeping Jamison over the pick (and bad contract) costs $23 million. And you go from a decent shot at having a homegrown star from the Class of '09 to having zero shot at a homegrown star from the Class of '09. It does not make sense to trade the pick just to save Jamison.
Couldn't have said it much better myself. But lest you think that Ziller is just getting on his soapbox to make arguments on my behalf, think again. Over at Sactown Royalty, he throws out his proposal to take advantage of our little predicament. His proposal would send Bobby Jackson's expiring contract to Washington for Etan Thomas and the team's lottery pick. I'd like to see us get Sacto's pick that they got from Houston in the Ron Artest trade, but all in all, that's probably not a bad deal if that's what the team is planning to do. My other idea would be to send Etan + the lottery pick to Minnesota for Jason Collins' expiring contract and the first round pick that Minnesota got from Miami in the Ricky Davis trade. Neither deal would have me jumping for joy but they might be the best options on the table given the situation.
So that's where we're at right now. At the end of the day, I think we'll end up staying put (or just trading for Larry Hughes, which essentially staying put with a familiar face), but it's crazy how things can develop in those closing hours and minutes before the deadline. I've got classes tomorrow until after the deadline passes, so I won't be able to comment on anything that goes on until after the dust has settled, but until then, here's your chance to comment on today's happenings.
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Larry coming back would be nice
Yeah, it doesn’t help with the salary cap sitatuion, but at least it’ll make us more entertaining (and most likely allow Javaris to become the starting pg for the rest of the season).
As far as the draft pick situation, I think that it’ll be resolved on draft day. Especially when it looks like it could be a number one pick, Ernie’s not going to want to do anything careless.
Rehashing arguments from Prada and a Snake named Jake
Lottery picks are cheap labor. When you want to cut costs and maintain your level of production, you have to become more efficient. Signing one of the top five college players for several years at below the league average salary is a no-brainer way to get more bang for your buck. Passing up this bargain basement cheap labor is ONLY acceptable as a talent-move eg. #5 Jeff Green to the Sonics for Ray Allen. It is the most bone-headed cost-cutting move conceivable, and no NBA front-office should be so foolish as to fail to maneuver to avoid having to use this option.
by morethesamewiz on Feb 18, 2009 10:15 PM EST reply actions
OKC - New Orleans Trade nullified
just saw this – off topic a bit, but thought it was interesting. Chandler failed a physical.
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by little stevie colter on Feb 18, 2009 10:59 PM EST reply actions
I heard that on NBA TV as well
I’m looking for a link….
Supposedly there’s something wrong with one of Candler’s toes.
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Now Washington is interested in Ared Effries?
Yahoo Sports is saying that the Wizards have an interest in bringing back New York Knicks forward Jared Jeffries
Um………. Larry Hughes I can understand…. but Jeffries?
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
Fail.
That’s all I have to say about any trade that brings a soft former lottery-pick Hoosier back to the team. Wait, we’re talking about Jeffries?
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Feb 18, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Who else is Washington interested in?
I’m tinkering with the Trade Machine to see if I can work this deal:
Wizards Give Up…Blatche+McGee+Crittenton
Get…Ruffin+Booth+Kwame
Combine that with my Jeffries+Jerome James for Butler+Young deal and the Wizards are back in the hunt next season.
by morethesamewiz on Feb 19, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
From Chris Sheridan at ESPN.com
“I’m told the Knicks would have been willing to give Chicago Jared Jeffries and Malik Rose for Hughes, but the Bulls would not do that now because they’d be taking on $13.7 million in salary and sending out only $12.8 million, putting them back in tax territory. Chicago also would go back into tax territory if it did the rumored Hughes deal with Washington for Etan Thomas and Mike James, so that one looks dead, too.”
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 18, 2009 11:14 PM EST reply actions
Is that math still true...
after last night’s 4-for-2 deal?
Yes, But
There is another reason why Chicago would still do this deal. According to this, the Bulls could acquire both Etan and James and then immediately deal them out to separate teams in trades, as long as they aren’t packaged with other players. So this deal is contingent on the Bulls working out deals for James and Etan separately. If the Bulls can get deals for those players that they like, then Larry will probably be coming to town. Which is why Ivan said that this deal would only occur at the last minute.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Actually cup
That wouldn’t be an issue because it would no longer be a problem after June. And the only time any team can make a deal, after the 3 pm EST, noon if you’re on the West Coast like i am, deadline today, is after the season ends.
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Right
And the only time any team can make a deal, after the 3 pm EST, noon if you’re on the West Coast like i am, deadline today, is after the season ends.
Which is why Etan and James would both have to be retraded immediately and before 3 PM today.
For two months after receiving the player in trade or claiming him off waivers, if the player is being traded in combination with other players. However, the team is free to trade the player by himself (not packaged with other players) immediately. This restriction applies only to teams over the salary cap.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Part of the point I would make though
Is that the Bulls aren’t anywhere near the luxury tax to where that doing Malik Rose for Larry Hughes won’t put them over the tax this season.
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I don't think so Ram
After the 4 for 2 deal, it makes sense that the Bulls would do that. They don’t look to be anywhere near the luxury tax territory either. (But I’m going from Draft Express’s salary site.)
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Ziller is right on as usual
I can’t believe we’re going to sell a top-five draft pick just so we can keep a 32-year old Antawn Jamison. What a joke. I hate this organization.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Also, that Kings deal is pointless
When we could save more money by just dealing Jamison.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Marbury is available, right?
So here is a trade no one will like, but technically works, gets us under the cap next year, and allows us the keep the draft pick and Jamison. We trade ET, MJ, AB, OP and our very high second round pick to New York for Marbury. We buy him out right before the deadline to sign with a new team for the playoffs (encouragement for him to take less). Should put us around 54M next year which should still allow us to sign our first rounder and possibly a free agent.
I Think That Would Put Us Into the Tax This Season
As we would have to pay Marbury’s bloated salary for the rest of the season. I don’t think this would work, which is a good thing, because you are right – I hate this idea.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Not if we can get Marubry to forego some salary in the buyout...
We might have to pre-arrange it to be sure, but he only has to give up about $1-2MM.
Not trying to advocate the trade, but
It would actually decrease the wiz $ this year, and both AB and OP would fit well into the Knicks new system. ET and MJ come off the books in time for 2010. Again, the idea is how do we keep Jamison and the 1st round pick.
Please Show Me Your Math
I could be wrong, but I can’t confirm that the Wizards would shed salary in this deal. Here are my numbers:
Etan Thomas + 15% Trade Kicker = $7,889,000
Mike James = $6,049,400
Andray Blatche = $2,739,669
Oleksiy Pecherov = $1,446,720
Total Salary Giving Up = $18,124,789
Stephon Marbury = Total Salary Taking Back = $20,800,000
By my math, we would be adding about $2.7 million onto our books, prorated over the remainder of the season. From what I can tell, we are dangerously close to the salary cap as of right now, so any deal we make would have to shed salary for this season, otherwise we go into the tax this season.
So what am I missing?
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
your not
even though it has been mentioned through the roof I forgot about the trade kicker, my bad…
The trade machine shows...
We send out $17.294MM (ET’s trade kicker doesn’t matter if we’re talking about OUR threshold – it’s NY’s problem).
We take back $20.841MM.
28/82 of the difference is $1.21MM. If we can get Starbury to give that up in the buyout we’re neutral to tax.
I like the deal, but I’d love it if we kept our second round pick and sent out DeShawn instead. The numbers look a little better for us, it’s better for their LeBron sweepstakes, we’d only have to get Marbury to give up $912k, and get to keep AB. It leaves us week at guard, but that’s solvable.
Frankly, if I’m NY I love it too. It helps them on tax, and they’re getting nothing from him, so why wouldn’t they do it for FOUR 2010 expiries?
Does DeShawn have a player option on ‘10-’11?
That Trade kicker
applies to the NEW team only (AFTER THE TRADE) – not as part of the outgoing salary for Washington…..
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So That Would Mean...
… that the salary situation would be even worse for Washington than I assumed, meaning that Marbury would have to be convinced to give up even more in a buy out. I don’t see this happening and I don’t think it is worth it.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
It's definitely worth it...
We lose two guys who are hurt, one who doesn’t play, and one who starts but is garbage. It also clears tons of space, and we still have the MLE, so we’d get our #1.
The trade kicker just means NY has to pay more tax. The trade works either way.
The unlikelihoods are around Marbury taking the buyout and NY wanting to do the deal. I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but if it did it would be awesome.
You Don't Understand
If the Wizards do this trade, they take on even more salary, making it even more difficult to get rid of in order to stay under the luxury tax this season. Yeah, we avoid it for next season, but what are the benefits of doing this? We lose both of our valuable trading chips, our starting SG (when healthy), and get absolutely nothing in return except more Benjamins for Mr. Pollin. This idea stinks to all heavens. If we can’t get anything valuable for Etan/MJ this season, then at the very least wait until next season and pick up something of value to the team.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
I'm pretty sure I do understand
That’s why I said more than once it’s contingent on Marbury accepting around $1MM in reduced pay in a buyout. There’s a debate if DeShawn is worth keeping or not (I say not). Aside from that we create a bunch of room to sign both draft picks and a MLE and still stay under tax without losing AJ. That is valuable.
latest.
ugh. From Ivan.
I just spoke with someone familiar with the situation in Chicago and it is their belief that the Wizards have told the Bulls that they are not interested in an Etan Thomas and Mike James for Larry Hughes swap…
Elsewhere, you may have noticed the rumor that the Wizards are interested in bringing back Jared Jeffries. I can’t confirm or deny that rumor but it does make some sense if the Wiz are able to send Thomas and James to the Knicks for Jeffries and Malik Rose. Jeffries has a deal running through 2010-11but Rose would come off the books after this season and that would shave $7.67 Million off of the Wiz payroll for next season.
As you know, the Wiz are looking at being well over the luxury tax threshold which could drop to the $69 million range next season.
The Knicks of course, would be able to dump Jeffries and clear up space for the summer of 2010 because both Thomas and James would come off their books. It would be win-win for both sides from that standpoint.
so i guess no #20 back. and if i see jared jeffries in a wiz uni again, i really think ima gonna throw up.
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Double Ugh
But it makes the most financial sense. I would rather the Wizards did nothing, but I doubt they’ll go into the tax if they don’t have to.
Jeffries is a dud.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
From NewsDay.com
UPDATE: 10:30 a.m. – The Jeffries stuff involving the Wizards has no legs at all, I’m hearing.
I hope this guy is right and Ivan is barking up the wrong tree.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Eh
We’d save a lot of money this year by doing this, but there goes our chance for using our 2010 expirings for an upgrade.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Hooray!
One of my classes got cancelled today so I’ve got a little time to talk trades.
The Jeffries trade wouldn’t have me jumping for joy, but it might be our best option if Abe still doesn’t want to pay the tax. I’d add more but I’m kind of mesmerized by this Shaq to Cleveland rumor.
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Random thought
Am I the only one that would enjoy the NBA turning the trade deadling into a televised event like the draft? Just get all the GMs in one building and let them have their chats and everything. Whenever a deal goes down Stern walks out to the podium and announces the swap, GMs can get an immediate feel for the kind of deal they made based on crowd reaction. I’d watch it. Then again, I blog about the Wizards.
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They Said Nobody Would Ever Watch the NFL Draft on TV
And look what happened when ESPN did.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Sounds like a good idea
I mean, I can’t think of any other sport where 90% of the trades happen in a 48 hour period.
by pantslessyoda1 on Feb 19, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Brian (Washington, DC): Chad, word is the Wizards’ need to do something to get under the luxury tax and to be able to afford their lottery pick next year, you any moves (even minor) happening to help them today?
SportsNation Chad Ford: (12:52 PM ET ) Yes, I reported that this morning. I’d be shocked if they didn’t do something. They are talking to the Knicks, but doesn’t sound like there’s anything imminent there.
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Here's the link to the chat
For those of you who want to follow along.
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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 19, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
I thought people around here would jump at the chance to dump James and Thomas, even if it brings back Jeffries. If it means we keep our core intact and our lotto pick it works for me.
Dumping Etan and James Would Be Easy
At next season’s deadline, and Ernie would get a valuable player back in return. This is just a straight salary dump, and does not make us a better team in the least.
I’m all for Larry Hughes, but am not a fan of Jared Jeffries.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Just in case people weren't sure
From SI.com’s Chris Mannix: It appears Antawn Jamison, who has been targeted by Cleveland and other teams, will remain with the Wizards. An NBA source said the Wizards are insisting that Etan Thomas be a part of any deal involving their two-time All-Star power forward. With Jamison (three years, $40 million left on his deal) already wearing a hefty price tag, teams have shown no interest in taking on Thomas, who is due $7.3 million next season.
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The question is:
How do you prioritize between:
1. Keeping AJ
2. Getting under the tax
3. Leveraging MJ and ET for a big piece next year.
If you have it in that order, or even swap the first two, you do this deal.
That's what I'm thinking
I’d love to get more with those contracts, but if that offer is on the table it might be the best one we can get given our economic situation.
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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 19, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
If Those Are Your Priorities
Than I agree, Ernie must do it. I even said that it makes the most financial sense. But it does not make the Wizards a better team, so I am not happy about it in the least. With the season down the tubes, this trade deadline was the most exciting thing to look forward to that I had. All of this buildup for – Jared Jeffries? I remain underwhelmed by Ernie Grunfeld, assuming he goes through with this.
Even if Ernie does this deal, he will still have to shed more salary to sign his draft picks. So there remains another depressing salary dump to look forward to. I would rather Abe accept paying the tax and Ernie to do nothing.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
the Knicks deal would be impressive
I have to say, I’ve been assuming all along that if the Wizards were to get under the luxury tax cap they’d have to trade Jamison or Butler. If the Wizards are able to get under the cap without trading either of those two then Grunfeld deserves a hell of a lot of credit. I mean heaps and heaps of credit. They very easily could’ve agreed to the Jamison-Wally trade and this luxury tax issue would no longer be an issue.
This trade wouldn’t guarantee the Wizards can keep the pick without going over the cap, but it does afford them more flexibility. First, if they’re unable to trade the pick (or choose to keep it in case it’s Griffin), then the luxury tax hit still wouldn’t be nearly as bad as it would be if they aren’t able to make a trade today. Second, the pick will be valuable enough that perhaps they could package the pick with a couple of contracts that aren’t giving enough in return (stevenson, songalia, etc.) for a veteran or two that would actually help the team.
I have a feeling they will choose to do the latter, and unless the Wizards have enough luck to get the 1st pick, trading vets & the pick for better players could actually work positively for the team. They already have plenty of young, developing talent in Critt, Young, McGee, Blatche & McGuire.
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 19, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree
The Wally for Jamison trade would actually be better, even though I would still not like it. We would be giving up a smallish, aging PF who can’t play defense in exchange for the salary relief to sign both of our draft picks, acquire a MLE free agent, and still be able to deal Etan/James at next season’s trade deadline, when both will be immensely more valuable. Still not ideal, but at least better than Jared Effing Jeffries.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Here we go
Latest Trade Roundup from ESPN:
Marc Stein: Word is coming in that the Knicks are closing in on some new players.
It is not immediately clear if this would be two separate trades or a three-way exchange, but I’m hearing that Oklahoma City’s Chris Wilcox — who went back to the Thunder on Wednesday night when the Tyson Chandler trade was rescinded — and Chicago’s Larry Hughes are New York-bound.
To complete the transaction(s), Oklahoma City would get Malik Rose and Chicago would receive Tim Thomas, Jerome James and Anthony Roberson.
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It Looks Like it is a Done Deal
Link.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
ehh.
im starting to get a strong feeling once 3:00 comes, we’ll be talking about what to do this summer instead of what we just did.
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official.
Hughes traded to Knicks
The Chicago Bulls have reached agreement to trade guard Larry Hughes to the New York Knicks for Tim Thomas and Jerome James, an Eastern Conference official said.
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Did we really want Hughes' big contact?
And him clogging our back-court anyway?
Nope, not really.
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Clogging Our Backcourt?
He would start at SG, no question. He is an upgrade over either DeShawn or Nick Young on both offense and defense. And if it doesn’t work, we can always deal him at next season’s trade deadline. Just my opinion.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
I'm more with Truth here
I just don’t see the point. Hughes is better than DeShawn, but he’s not better than Nick Young or Crittenton. He only really had one good year here anyway.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
He's Better Than Nick Young Right Now
I am optimistic about Nick Young’s potential, but he should not be starting on a playoff team until he can figure out how to defend an NBA guard. A Spanish bullfighter could do a better job of keeping slashers out of the lane than Nick Young. Defense is not a problem for Hughes. Plus Hughes is a better 3-point shooter, better rebounder, better at stealing the ball, and better at movement on offense without the ball.
Eventually Nick Young might improve enough to take Hughes’s place, and the point is moot now anyway, but Hughes would have been a good fit back in DC.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
He's better than Nick Young right now?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Really
Link.
Your comparison was unfair, having to adjust to two sets of teammates, systems, coaches. This year his PER has been the highest since leaving Washington, even though Chicago still doesn’t suit his strengths. His PER is higher (14.4 to 13.3), his 3-point percentage is higher (.392 to .330), his assists per36 are higher, his rebounds per36 are higher, his steals per36 are higher, his turnovers are slightly lower. He’s slightly worse per36 in scoring and even more slightly worse in TS%, but considering he does everything else better, I think he has more than an edge.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
better or not.
ima side with cuppettcj. i think itd be an upgrade without a doubt, and i think it woulda benefitted nick young learning from hughes on defending. obviously, i think itd hurt deshawn in our rotation, but im totally ok with that too.
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Since when is Hughes a good defender?
He’s like Caron … great at getting steals, crappy at locking down.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I Disagree
He is a lot better at locking down than Nick Young, and before you dismiss his steals, consider that it is at least something good to be done on defense. What exactly does Nick Young do on defense besides look out of place?
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Also
Since when is Hughes a good defender?
He was once a 1st Team All-Defense in the NBA. Who picks this team, anyway? I’ve heard it mentioned that he was only picked because of his steals, but that would seem to insult the intelligence of the selectors. Why pick a one-trick defensive pony to the 1st Team? Wouldn’t 2nd Team be more appropriate, if that is all he can do on defense? Is it possible his defense was actually better than we gave him credit for?
By the way, I wouldn’t be holding my breathe for Nick Young to achieve that status anytime soon.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
ok...
its prolly because ive always been a larry hughes fan, but youre right. he may not be a lock down defender, but the total package he comes wit (when healthy) is better than anything else we’ve heard the wiz considering lately.
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We know he wouldn't appear in more than 55 games.
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Why Do You Say That?
He appeared in 70 games two seasons ago, 68 games last season, and has already appeared in 30 games this season despite not playing in several weeks even though he has been healthy. In fact, compared to Gilbert Arenas, Larry Hughes has been an ironman these past three seasons.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
sour grapes.
yea, it jus sucks that we know we had a chance to get him back and it was prolly a combo of things, but from what it sounds like, it was ernie that didn’t wanna pull the trigger on the deal.
but yeah, we might as well argue about any other player and what they woulda done for us.. it doesnt matter since theyre not gonna be wearin a wiz uni.
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It sound to me like the Bulls didn't want Etan and Mike James
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we'll never know.. but on another note.
funny how hughes was gonna get traded for thomas & james regardless of which team he went to.
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According to Ivan, It Was Ernie Who Killed the Deal
I just spoke with someone familiar with the situation in Chicago and it is their belief that the Wizards have told the Bulls that they are not interested in an Etan Thomas and Mike James for Larry Hughes swap.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
well.
Barring a last-second whopper, the Wizards will allow the trade deadline come and go without making a move. A league source I trust told me a little bit ago that ultimately, the only players teams really wanted to deal for were Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison.
Another told me that the Bulls didn’t want to touch the Etan Thomas and Mike James for Larry Hughes deal because of Etan’s trade kicker and because of concerns about James. I do hear that the Wizards were interested in the deal but couldn’t get the Bulls to bite. The Bulls wound up shipping Hughes to the Knicks for Tim Thomas, Jerome James and Anthony Roberson.
so it looks like the bulls were the ones who squashed the deal.. and it looks like this is our team for the year, whether we like it or not.
so all in all. i guess if espn did have a trade deadline special, i’d be pretty pissed off for watching it.
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This is Better Than Jared Jeffries
If for no other reason than this means Abe will probably pay the tax!
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Not if Abe Pays the Tax
Then again, this is probably a one year thing for Abe.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
I'm not as convinced as you that he's definitely paying the tax
But if he does, then I’m happy we did nothing. I just don’t trust that.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Wow
Apparently Calvin Booth is still a trade chip - hey don’t hate on the man, he pulled down a rebound in December.
Never one to mince words, Hollinger also takes a moment to remind us once again that Michael Ruffin (also traded today)
is a physical banger who is one of the most inept offensive players in recent NBA history.
(Same link as the first)
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Feb 19, 2009 4:22 PM EST reply actions
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