Today's Washington Wizards-related trade deadline links
UPDATE: CNNSI is reporting Cleveland is showing interest in Antawn Jamison, dangling Wally Sczcerbiak's expiring contract. Predictable. Now, let's try to get them to give us J.J. Hickson back as well.
No, I'm not back permanently. I'm just on break and have some time to post. -PM.
As you've probably noticed from my comments recently, I firmly believe we've reached the point where we can't afford to be picky with trade offers for Antawn Jamison. The economy is tanking and nobody is willing to trade too much to take on salary past 2010. Meanwhile, among the sellers out there, we're in about as bad shape as you can be. The luxury tax problem we identified a month ago has been picked up elsewhere and it's now common knowledge that we need to cut costs. To put it bluntly, the franchise's ability to compete long-term is at stake right now.
This is where Antawn Jamison comes in. Much has changed since Jamison signed a four year, 50-million dollar contract extension this summer. The economy has tanked, making it more difficult to justify paying the luxury tax. The team has also tanked, further making it more difficult to expect Abe to pay the tax. Andray Blatche and JaVale McGee, our young pivot duo of the future, have both developed to the point where we may actually be able to replace Jamison's contributions. Finally, we're heading to a lottery pick that we can no longer afford unless we either get under the cap or hope Abe pays the tax.
Without any of these developments, you could justify Antawn's new contract and his status on the team. Sure, he's a bit old, but we were ready to compete with a healthy roster. Sure, his contract was a bit much, but we could still make upgrades because you'd think Abe would pay the tax for a contender. And while we'd certainly have more flexibility if we let him go, how could we use that flexibility to get someone better than Jamison? Unfortunately, times have changed. We aren't competing, we can't rely on Abe paying the tax two straight years and we are in position to replace Jamison long-term with some combination of Blatche, McGee and a top-five pick.
Ergo, trading Jamison in a straight salary dump is not only appealing, but it's also essential. It is no longer a question of whether Jamison's veteran leadership and consistent production is worth his cost. It is now a question of whether keeping Jamison is preferable to keeping our draft pick, keeping Brendan Haywood in 2010 and/or hoping Abe pays the tax for two years. In some ways, you can add keeping Caron Butler to that list. Jamison's good, but he's not good enough to justify all the ways we may have to sacrifice elsewhere to keep his salary.
Now, Ernie Grunfeld is going to get killed for dumping Jamison in a straight salary dump, so I doubt it'll actually happen. But Ernie needs to heed the lesson of Marcus Camby. Camby was jettisoned for nothing, and everyone killed the Nuggets for being cheap. In point of fact, it made the team better, because it allowed Nene to shine, it put them under the tax and it gave them more flexibility to add Chauncey Billups' long-term contract to the mix. A short-term loss led to long-term gain. Denver wasn't afraid of a short-term loss. Neither should we.
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Alright, your links of the day.
-Ivan Carter comes through with a must-read about our current situation. The title? A Plan Gone Awry. There are tons of relevant segments, but this is the big one.
However, because the Wizards already have such huge financial commitments, there is a decent chance Grunfeld will consider trading the pick.
The team has about $75.9 million committed to contracts for next season, which would put them over the luxury-tax threshold (it typically rises slightly each year but may not go up next year, depending upon league revenue) before signing a lottery pick.
First-year salaries for players taken at the top of the lottery are between $2.7 million and $4.2 million, and that would place the Wizards significantly over the threshold, something Pollin has avoided in the past. Teams that go over the threshold must pay a dollar-for-dollar tax after the season.
But there are other reasons Grunfeld might try to trade the pick. It could allow him to shed an otherwise difficult-to-trade player -- such as Thomas, who is on the books for $7.4 million next season, or James, who holds a player option for $6.5 million next season -- while adding a valuable veteran.
This is really disappointing and exactly what I was trying to hit on up above. It's bad business to consistently trade away a top-five pick for veterans help, but it's even worse business to not use the pick just to cut costs. Top draft picks are the cheapest of labor. You can get an impact player if you do things right, all for the cost of less than Darius Songaila. The relative weakness of the draft this year is irrelevant because you never really know. Everyone thought the 2008 draft was weaker than the 2007 draft, but you'd be hard-pressed to make that argument now that so many rookies are performing so well. The bottom line is the draft offers you the chance to get a franchise player, or at least an impact player, cheapely. Any veteran that is any good makes significantly more than a top-five pick, so that doesn't help you cut costs at all. And if you're cutting the costs of the pick itself, well, that's just silly, because the draft pick doesn't make much money.
You want to cut costs? Trade your 32-year old all-star power forward making eight figures through 2012 for cap relief.
Anyway, this quote was so predictable it's not even worth predicting it.
"I like our players," Grunfeld said. "If you look at our players on paper: Gilbert, Antawn, Caron, DeShawn, Brendan and the collection of other players like Darius, Mike James, Blatche and the young guys, I think we can compete with most teams in the league. But, you have to have the group together for a while so they can develop some chemistry and get a sense of what their roles are. Once we get our group together, there's a solid foundation."
Again, Ernie can't be paralyzed like this and let chances to improve the club long-term slip away.
-You all probably noticed that New Orleans dumped Tyson Chandler for cap relief today. This is what we shouldn't do with Caron Butler. New Orleans dumped one of their productive players because they were impatient instead of waiting to see if anyone would take someone else with a long-term deal. Now, Peja Stojakovic and Morris Peterson are way more untradeable than Jamison, but the point still stands. Chandler was paid fairly and was productive. Butler's paid more than fairly and is more productive. Don't trade Butler to solve this problem.
-A Jamison salary dump is among Chad Ford's five trades that should happen by the trade deadline.
Cavs trade Wally Szczerbiak to the Wizards for Antawn Jamison and Etan Thomas.
Why should the Cavs do it?
The team wants to win a title now and could use an upgrade at the 4. Adding Jamison would give the Cavs another dynamic scorer and veteran.Why should the Wizards do it?
Because they are paying a huge amount of money for one of the worst teams in basketball. When Gilbert Arenas returns, they'll be better, but by how much? This deal would put them slightly below the cap next year.Will it happen?
The Cavs are looking at potential Szczerbiak deals and Jamison isn't the only guy they covet. Mike Miller and Vince Carter have also been mentioned.
Yes, it sucks that Jamison gets dumped for nothing. Yes, it sucks that we may give Cleveland the title. But this trade saves us 17 million dollars this offseason. That's enough to keep our pick and even have enough money left over to be a part of the free agent market without going over the tax. I want J.J. Hickson back too, but we're not dealing in a position of strength.
-Speaking of Ford, as expected, he reports that Portland is looking at Caron Butler.
The focus for the Blazers right now appears to be at the small forward position. It appears that three players -- Gerald Wallace, Caron Butler and Richard Jefferson -- are on Pritchard's radar screen.
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Butler might be the best player of the group when he's healthy. He was an All-Star last year and is excellent in the mid-range game. He too has a reasonable contract, with just two years and $21 million left on his deal. But it's unclear what the Wizards would want in return and whether they'll ultimately opt to keep Butler and reevaluate the team when Gilbert Arenas returns. If the Wizards are to make such a deal, certainly they'll want the Blazers to take back Etan Thomas' contract, and they'll likely also demand one or two young players from the Blazers. That price might be too high for Portland.
I doubt anything happens. For me to even think about it, we'd need Raef LaFrentz's contract, Rudy Fernandez and Travis Outlaw to come back to us. I doubt Portland wants Butler that badly.
-Houston seems to want Vince Carter and is thinking of giving back Ron Artest, Carl Landry and Luther Head. It seems to me Antawn Jamison is a better fit there than Vince, and he's just as productive and less expensive. If Houston is offering that much for Vince, they would probably offer a similar amount for Jamison. Ernie, make it happen!
-DC Pro Sports Report, disagreeing with me
There are those who think the team should be broken up and its players traded away for cap space and future draft picks. I think that's silly, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, the Wizards won't get good deals right now. Teams are going to try to rob the Wizards, thinking the team is desperate to unload Butler and Jamison during this hellish season. It is very unlikely the Wizards will receive fair offers for either player. Secondly, I think it is silly to give up on this team when we still don't know how good it can be if it can ever be healthy -- and with a potential lottery pick added to the mix! That's why I think it is ridiculous to attack Ernie Grunfeld, as if he could have anticipated these injuries. Giving Arenas a $111 million contract with uncertain health is debatable, but it is better than letting Gil walk and getting nothing for him. As for the Jamison contract, it is very reasonable. Ten million dollars a year for a player with Jamison's production [no doubt he's been the best player on the team this year] is a good deal for the team.
The problem is that we can't look at these contracts in isolation. Jamison's contract isn't bad for his production, but it is when you place it in the context of the rest of the team. The only way we can keep everyone together and get a high draft pick is if Abe pays the tax. We can't rely on that.
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Actually, the quote from the rival scout is most telling:
“No knock on those guys, because under the right circumstances they can help a team, but let’s be honest. If you’re starting Mike James, Darius Songaila and Dominic McGuire, how good are you?”
Trading Jamison
What if Abe is willing to pay the tax. The guy is dying, and has a huge fortune. His kids are not going to notice a $10M difference. What makes you think that Abe, for the last few years of his life would be unwilling to pay a little extra to keep us a contender? Then what if we draft Blake Griffin. I think the Wiz would by mid season put Jamison on the bench (you know he can thrive there and will do it for the team), limit Jamison’s minutes (so that the back end of his contract doesn’t kill us) and let him rack up big numbers. Griffin is good enough to come in and start, and with Jamison as a 6th man, wow, that is a winning team.
But if Abe is unwilling to pay the tax, I think its the right move for the wizards, dump Jamison’s contract, hope to lure a big time free agent in two years. But wow is that depressing
Because it's more than a little extra
It’s 9 million extra, plus a lot more because the Wizards wouldn’t benefit from getting the money that gets redistributed to teams under the tax. And that’s just in 2009.
In this ailing economy, that’s probably too much to expect from Abe. Abe wouldn’t do it in the best of times, why’d he do it in the worst of times?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
But yes, I agree
If Abe would just pony up the cash, there’s no reason to trade anyone.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
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it would be about $9 million over the tax threshold, plus the $9 million in taxes he would pay on that money, so it would be $18 million more he would have to spend. abe has never been one of the richer owners in the league, and times are getting tough, so its hard to imagine he would or could just ‘bite the bullet’ and pay
no
The Wizards have $76,157,670 committed for salaries in 2009-2010
The salary for the # 1 pick in this year’s draft would be $4,152,900
Assuming the Luxury Tax for next year is the same as this year ($71.15 million); that would put the Wizards about $9.2 Million over the tax…
Add the Dollar-for-Dollar tax ($9.2 Million) and the fact they would not receive the TAX payment (estimated $5 Million)…
The cost of NOT Trading Butler or Jamison will end up about $23.4 Million dollars
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
I guess...
no one can accuse Pollin for being unwilling to go over the luxury cap anymore.
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 18, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
How bad is his health?
Is it so bad that someone else is making his decisions?
Just updated this post to include that
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I think we should include Songaila instead of Etan
For two reasons, one his contract goes a year longer, so this year we get $14M off the books and next year we still have Etan’s and James’s we get another $14M off the books. Meaning we can sign our own guys and sign a big time free agent. If we trade Etan this year, we get $17M off the books this year, but only $7m next year
Two, Songaila plays much more than Etan. Thus, trading Songaila opens up more minutes for McGee, Blatche, Pesh, and a draft pick
Thoughts?
Agree
Plus, that may convince the Cavs to give Hickson back, since trading for Jamison and Songaila would further bury him.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
The Cavs though?
What self-respecting team sends their rival the missing ingredient to a championship? The Wizards and Cavaliers organizations and players have built up this rivalry. Before you start laughing, I do remember that we are terrible and thus not in a position now to consider ourselves rivals with one of the top teams in the East, but we have been for the past four or five years and one day hopefully soon we will be back in the playoffs. Think of all the investment we have made in hating Lebron and the Cavaliers and all the trashtalk we have traded with the Cavaliers fans, putting our credibility on the line to say that in the big picture our organization, our players our better than theirs. We don’t have anybody so vain as to defy the irrefutable proof of instant-replay with a rambling lecture on the finer points of crab dribbling, we don’t have anybody so low-class as to strike retaliatory blows against accidental physical contact, we don’t have anybody so disrespectful as to approach the other team’s star at the free-throw line and try to unsettle him. We have pride in the belief that even though February 17th, 2009 we are 30 games back of them, that even though we are last in the East while they are first, that in the broader scheme of things (ten, twenty, thirty years) we will be the more successful organization, we will win more often and with classier players.
We our betraying every bit of emotion and passion we have to put into the Cleveland-Washington rivalry over the past years. We aren’t just sending them our best player, we are sending them our classiest player. This gives them one, maybe two championships and bragging rights for years and years to come. Nuh uh, no. I would take less from another team. We have too much pride to do this. Basketball is a business until it comes to sending the fan favorite to play alongside Lebron. That is too much to stomach.
rivalry?
rivalries in basketball are all media hype and fan build up. the players experience no such feelings. arenas and lebron are good friends. the whole stevenson ‘lebron is overrated’ things was blown way out of proportion.
we really have two options here. we can sit on our hands, not trade jamison to cleveland (and really, it doesnt seem like anyone else is seriously interested at this point), and then have to dump a top 5 pick for nothing in the offseason, all the while having a frustrated jamison rip an even huger divide between our veterans and young guys, or we can trade him and move on.
jamison is ‘classy’ yes. but he doesnt want to be here and hes tearing the team apart. the veterans hate the young guys, and the young guys hate the veterans, mainly because of the attitudes taken by jamison, tapscott, and earlier, daniels. its best for everyone involved if we can just trade him and let everyone move on. to cleveland? to houston? who cares? it makes no difference to me.
Couldn't agree with you more joshp
And I just want to add that if Wizards-Cavs is a rivalry then so is hammer and nail.
"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Feb 17, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Mixture of Feelings
Look, screw rivalry. A trade happens because it’s supposed to be equally good for both teams. This is not always the case, because it’s difficult to quantify the value or production you will get out of these players.
However, the thought of Jamison in a Cavs uniform just makes me ill. It really does. Sick to the freakin’ stomach. I know we need to be realistic, and getting rid of Jamison probably makes sense so that we don’t have to pay the luxury tax. I’d take Griffin over Jamison RIGHT NOW. :)
Still, though. I HATE the Cavs. I’m trying not to let my bias cloud my judgment here, but the “crab dribble,” the Mike Brown complaint of the foul call at the end of the Cavs-Pacers game (one of the most ridiculous things I’ve seen in sports), the whole LeBron crybaby thing still bugs me as he dabs his lip and stares at his hand over and over again… the whole freakin’ mix. Jamison in a Cavs uniform? I’m all for making trades that will make us better, but Wally’s World? Dude can’t even hit an open shot anymore. Hickson is nice, but c’mon now. I see where morethanwiz is coming from. It really is too much for the stomach.
Wizards Insider Take
Word is that Cleveland does not want to part with J.J. Hickson, the rookie power forward. Now, I can’t tell you whether Ernie Grunfeld would do a deal that would package Antawn and another contract in a deal that would bring back Wally’s EC and Hickson. I just don’t know.
My gut and Ernie himselfl tell me that Ernie sincerely wants to keep this core together.
Ivan also says Clevland has been trying to do this for awhile, and guesses that the Wizards will try to see what pick they have and package it.
Blech
What if it’s the number one pick? What do you do then?
There’s too much uncertainty there.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I think this makes sense.
If you get the number one pick, it has a lot more trade value. Or you keep it, and can get rid of Jamison more comfortably knowing you’ll have a true PF in Griffin to replace him.
I think there’s more certainty in this route because you know what you’re dealing with.
And the Wizards will still have a window to get under the luxury tax this summer before they start paying their rookie, right?
Well
You know you have offers on the table for Jamison now. There’s a lot of uncertainty in expecting them to be on the table this summer. Especially if we get Griffin. Then, teams will lowball us and not offer cap relief, knowing we’d have to clear Jamison away to give Blake a chance to play.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
So is Thursday the deadline for the Wizards to duck next year's luxury tax?
If salaries have to match up fairly closely, Thursday is the deadline for the Wiz to acquire a contract that expires this summer, right? A trade after the end of the season couldn’t provide cap relief until the summer of 2010, when Thomas and James would come off the books anyway, or am I missing something?
NO
After the Trade Deadline, teams are not allowed to exchange players with each other for the remainder of the season. BUT, they can resume trading after the season is over…. (ie: during the Summer).
Players without contracts (ie: , Wally Szczerbiak) become Free Agents on July 1st….
The Wizards are under the Luxury tax for THIS season (2009-2010); but they will be over the Tax next season (2010-2011)…. A trade needs to be made to keep them under the tax.
I think the only way that can happen, is to trade someone before THIS year’s trade deadline. For instance, Wally Szczerbiak’s $13 Million contract ends THIS year… A trade for him would save $13 Million in salary for NEXT year; as Wally would become an Unrestricted Free Agent. The Wizards would have to renounce him (free agents stop counting against the team’s cap when they are renounced.)
Actually, it might be nice to renounce Szczerbiak, and then sign him to a Vet Minimum contract. (Assuming no other team offers more). He’s a pretty good 3-point shooter; and the Wizards need a guy like that.
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
if "by this weekend"...
you mean never, then yeah, I can’t wait either.
by 7Swords of Salat on Feb 18, 2009 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
if "by this weekend"...
you mean never, then yeah, I can’t wait either.
by 7Swords of Salat on Feb 18, 2009 2:46 AM EST up reply actions
At least we'll still have McGee
Man, he and Nick Young are the only reasons I still watch EVERY GAME.
Next Year’s lineup:
Arenas/Young/Butler/Griffin/Haywood
Eat it, Cleveland.
Rasual Butler?
Jackie Butler?
Yeah, I can’t wait for that either.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
how times change
i think it’s funny how at the contract signing pollin and AJ were saying they love eachother and abe was talking about AJ being another wes unseld… and now we’re about to do a straight salary dump for him.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Feb 18, 2009 9:52 AM EST reply actions
How does a bunch of guys talking on a blog = Pollin doing a straight salary dump of one of his favorite guys?
I mean we have another day and a half and if it happens I’ll apologize to everyone, but it seems like a lot of people around here getting really worked up about rumors. In my opinion there is no way that AJ gets dumped. Especially not to Cleveland. Everyone just chillax.
Ok - well then
I doubt anything happens. For me to even think about it, we’d need Raef LaFrentz’s contract, Rudy Fernandez and Travis Outlaw to come back to us. I doubt Portland wants Butler that badly.
What about:
Butler + Etan Thomas + Pecherov
FOR
Raef LaFrentz ($12.7M expiring contract) + Travis Outlaw ($4M expires next year) + Nicolas Batum
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
Not a fan
Why do we need both Outlaw and Batum? Rudy and Outlaw, maybe, but Outlaw and Batum is redundant.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

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