Open Thread: Regular Season Game 54 vs. Minnesota Timberwolves
by Jake Whitacre on Feb 17, 2009 6:23 PM EST
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PrintMinnesota Timberwolves at Washington Wizards, Feb 17, 2009 7:00 PM EST
The Essentials:
Timberwolves (15-37) vs. Wizards (11-42)
7 p.m.
Verizon Center
CSN
This year:
This is the first match-up between the two this season.
Notable Timberwolves numbers this season:
25th in expected winning percentage (.373)
12th in pace factor (92.0 possessions per game)
21st in offensive efficiency/offensive rating (106.3)
26th in defensive efficiency/defensive rating (110.3)
Key Links: (drop any others in the comments)
Canis Hoopus
T-Wolves Blog
On the Ball
Game Day Minnesota
The Other Side: Timberwolves
| Tonight's Starters | ||
|---|---|---|
| Wizards | vs. | T-Wolves |
| Player filling in for injured starter |
PG | Sebastian Telfair |
| Tough Juice |
SG | Randy Foye |
| Player filling in for injured starter | SF | Mike Miller |
| The Last Man Standing |
PF | Ryan Gomes |
| Player filling in for injured starter | C | Kevin Love |
First of all, big thanks to Prada for his post on all the trade discussions that have been going on lately. I don't have a whole lot to add to what he put forth there, but I'd encourage everyone to checkout Craig from WFNY's take on the trade from Cleveland's perspective, as well as the comments from fans on both sides of the issue. Ultimately, I think Cleveland will end up deciding that they'd rather have that extra cap space to give LeBron more freedom to bring in the guys that he wants in 2010, but I've been wrong on this kind of stuff before.
My gut is telling me that we won't see any moves before the deadline but we'll definitely see some things start to happen around draft time. I'm trying to talk myself into liking a deal where we'd trade down to the mid-to-late first round, dump a bad salary and pick up DeJuan Blair. He wouldn't be as nice as Blake Griffin, but he would help fix some of the teams problems and as much as we like to dream about seeing Griffin in D.C., we have to remember that even if the Wizards finish dead last, they only have a 25% chance of getting the top pick.
On to tonight's game, the Wizards are facing off against another struggling team that's dealing with injuries. Since Kevin McHale took over as coach, the team has shown considerable improvement, although most of that is for naught now that Al Jefferson has been lost for the season. Still, they've got some good young players that are starting to come into form, which you'll see tonight. It almost makes you wonder if maybe McHale's problem isn't evaluating players, it's evaluating coaches. However, the picture at the top of the post would refute that idea.
The player that's likely to burn the Wizards the most tonight is Kevin Love, who's currently rocking an offensive rebounding rate of 16.5, good enough to lead the league this season. For some context, Charles Barkley only had one season with an offensive rebounding percentage higher than what Kevin Love has right now as a 20 year old in his first year in the NBA. He should have a field day tonight against the Wizards.
This is an open thread, so try to correctly Ndudi Ebi's name in the comments.
GO WIZARDS!
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By the way
Comcast has an exclusive with Eddie Jordan that’s airing at halftime and after the game. I’m curious to check that out.
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Definitely
I’ll be checking that out. I get the feeling there won’t be any bombshells, but it will still be interesting to see what he has to say.
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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 17, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and
CSN says Blatche is playing tonight. Nice!
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More on why I'm high on DeJuan Blair
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Oh wow
That’s pretty insane.
Trade down!
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And more on the trade talks
With Thursday’s trade deadline quickly approaching, the Wizards continue to be included in rumors here and there. Today’s latest has the Cavaliers offering Wally Szczerbiak for Antawn Jamison and Etan Thomas. SI.com reported it, and ESPN’s Chad Ford also had it as a trade that should happen. Well I can tell you that it’s definitely not happening. I checked it with a reliable team source and his reply was a laugh and “That’s garbage! No chance.” The only way the Wizards will part with Jamison is if a major player, as in a stud, was offered. The Wizards are resigned to waiting until the summer to do something in regards to freeing themselves of Thomas’ contract. But as far as Jamison and Butler go, as has been reported before, Wizards management has no plans to part with them. I double-checked on this that there have been no developments on Butler, either, and said, “So, both Butler and Jamison are still going to be here?” The reply: “Hell, yeah.”
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Who's going to give a stud for Antawn Jamison?
Come on now.
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Whoa boy
I think JaVale got a frohawk over the break.
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If true...
That is awesome beyond words.
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Kevin Love is destroying Songaila on the glass
Destroying him. It’s not even fair.
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Love is a battlefield
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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 17, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Minnesota has a few gimmes so far
Not complaining yet, but that needs to get fixed quick.
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Kevin Love is related to the Beach Boys?
I’m going to have stop hating on this guy.
How we doing?
I just got here….
Ernie and Ed Tapscott still hoping for a playoff push?
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Maybe not
Critt and McGee got in earlier than usual. Still no sight of Blatche yet.
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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 17, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Whaddaya know
JaVale’s making a big difference.
I’m annoyed we didn’t reward him with an alleyoop on that fast break.
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jamison should have
ooped to mcgee on that break
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by little stevie colter on Feb 17, 2009 7:37 PM EST reply actions
Antawn can't throw oops
Not veteran-y enough.
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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 17, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely
Gotta reward the big guy.
Really, McGee should have gotten the pass instead of Jamison.
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JaVale with his frohawk
He reminds me of someone, but I can’t remember who.
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By the way
I seriously love Critt’s game. Good pickup, Ernie.
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Same here
Really nice drive there at the end of the quarter.
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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 17, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Blatche hit that one
But I hate how he drifts to the perimeter when he plays with McGee. He doesn’t need to do that.
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Bah Love is such a good offensive rebounder
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ugh -
mcgee blatche combo has to rebound better
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by little stevie colter on Feb 17, 2009 7:44 PM EST reply actions
Wow.
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Ugh
Blatche is so lost playing with McGee. I hate it.
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I think the former
But I think it’s all on Blatche. He needs to cut harder off the ball and not dribble so much.
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I don't get it either
When Jamison played with Haywood, he learned how to play inside.
It’s frustrating, but Blatche needs time to figure it out. We’ve spent too long avoiding playing the two together.
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Hard for me to tell...
who is playing Center, and who is playing PF?
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What happens when an interim coach is replaced?
Does he leave the organization, or does he resume his former role?
I'm guessing Taps is going to go back into the FO
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He's the first fast break threat we've had in years.
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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 17, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
I never thought I'd say this
But I’d rather have Critt than Young.
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agree -
i’m starting to think young might not develop into more than a gunner off the bench
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by little stevie colter on Feb 17, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
c'mon guys
Young may just be a late bloomer. Typically, by Year Five, what you got is what you got. Some have even stretched that to seven years.
i've never been as in love with young
as some other wiz fans. i’m going to reserve judgment until next year, but i’m slightly skeptical, is all
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by little stevie colter on Feb 17, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
I do think Young will have a long career
But I don’t know whether he fits anymore. And while Young can still develop, he’s also older than Critt. Critt is just 21.
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I guess what I'm saying is
I’d like both ideally, but I feel like we can part with Young, either to entice someone to take on a bad contract or to be a sweetner in 2010.
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Another thing to keep in mind with Critt
Flexibility. He can backup or play alongside Arenas because of his size and defensive ability. I’d much rather keep both, but Young is probably a little more expendable.
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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 17, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Critt's defense is the difference...
Obviously, Nick can create his OWN shot…. but he’s still not a very good defender (although getting better)….
Crit is a very good defender right now, and he can create shots for OTHERS…
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That IS a bold statement.
I do love Critt, but I’m still enamored with Young’s upside.
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DeShawn Stevenson dunking?
Really?
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He had to jump off of Wilson Chandler's back.
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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 17, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
He finished second in the Slam Dunk contest!
As good as Dwight Howard!
I just don't remember Mike Miller
being this quick and pass-happy. Was his days in Orlando that long ago?
It's crazy to think that he won Rookie of the Year
2000 was the weakest draft class ever and I don’t even think there’s one that comes all that close.
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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 17, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
I just looked at 2000’s draft. Mark Madson was a 1st round pick???
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There's a chapter on this in Macrophenomal
It really was terrible.
Don't know about that...
…Redd, Najera, House, Turkoglu; nothing too spectacular but certainly a good crop of role players for a future contender.
Those guys are nice
But I’m pretty sure you can put together a better starting five with every other draft class. No draft class is ever a total wash, but I don’t think you’ll find a class with less success than the 2000. This year’s crop may give them a run.
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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 17, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
You have a point
I also checked the 2001 class remembering ESPN’s Sports Guy saying that they would never produce an All-Star. Let’s just say that he was wrong.
Boumtje Boumtje Boumtje Boumtje Boumtje Boumtje Boumtje Boumtje Boumtje
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Chauncey Billups
Wouldn’t have guessed that either.
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nice work, mike james
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by little stevie colter on Feb 17, 2009 8:06 PM EST reply actions
you put in james
and everything goes to shit – god i hate that he is on this team
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by little stevie colter on Feb 17, 2009 8:09 PM EST reply actions
He was so lazy on that fast break
Let Telfair go right by him.
I hate him so much.
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it sucks that the only other option
is dixon. it would be easier to take if critt started and got the bulk of the minutes, and james just played 15 minutes as a backup.
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by little stevie colter on Feb 17, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Please tell me that the Eddie Jordan interview is live
and he’s backstage somewhere, waiting for Ernie to apologize.
Kevin Love's game reminds me of Songaila
Except Love can rebound…
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Actually
one of the marks against Love is that he doesn’t alter or block many shots. ( .59 blocks per game)
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They both
play below the rim… They both play position basketball. They both block out. They both use their legs, and strength in defending down low. They’re both pretty good jump shooters from 15-18 feet. Neither is a good 3-point shooter. Neither blocks, or alters shots. They both seem to be intelligent players… (High Basketball IQ)
Obviously, Love has a higher upside…
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I love how Mike James
Didn’t even try to retrieve the ball after he stripped it.
But he’s such a veteran!
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Retrieving the ball is a selfish act
He’s too humble for that.
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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 17, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
If Foye continues to guard Butler
Butler should be taking him into the post.
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damn blatche has some skills
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by little stevie colter on Feb 17, 2009 8:43 PM EST reply actions
Blatche took it to Madsen there
Good.
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why does mike james play an entire quarter?
i thought taps was trying to coach to win?
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by little stevie colter on Feb 17, 2009 8:53 PM EST reply actions
Critt is finally coming back in
Hallelujah.
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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 17, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
If Songaila had dunked that
I probably would’ve walked out of the room.
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Wow - the All-Star break did wonders for Songaila's legs
He was gonna dunk that ball.
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How can anyone propose trading Jamison
after performances like this that single handidly keep us in a game?
rockin' the crab dribble since 2009
If performance was the only factor
I don’t think anyone could.
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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 17, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
it's a valid point
but i don’t think anyone wants to see him go – it would definitely suck. it’s all about the future.
keep in mind they do only have 11 wins
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by little stevie colter on Feb 17, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
crittenton is a keeper
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by little stevie colter on Feb 17, 2009 9:17 PM EST reply actions
I love the fact that McGuire can hit that open shot now.
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Please
One stop. That’s all I’m asking for.
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The problem with replacing
Jamison with Blatche and McGee is that the young guys commit way too many fouls. Not saying they shouldn’t trade Jamison, but it is a consideration.
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Thank you
I just made it, and I’m still giggling.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 17, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome to the site
It’s pretty common for young bigs to have bad foul rates, so I’m not so concerned about that in the short term.
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Agreed
That might be the best username on the site.
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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 17, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
I seriously love Javaris Crittenton
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I'm seriously pissed I'm missing this game.
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Wow
Mike James with the big threes.
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So of course he'll get all the credit for the win
Even though Critt badly outplayed him tonight.
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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 17, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
yup -
better when he’s just a shooter and not dribbling dribbling dribbling dribbling dribbling.
i still hate mike james
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by little stevie colter on Feb 17, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
but this is by far the best guard play we've had in a while
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by little stevie colter on Feb 17, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Was that really Mike James?
I can’t believe it. The feed on atdhe is pretty ghetto so it’s hard to tell.
rockin' the crab dribble since 2009
From the corner
I guess it is the best shot to take, stats wise. McGuire hit one a minute ago from the other corner.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Feb 17, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
But it was Crittenton's play down the stretch
Hit that big shot…..
Last play, he penetrated, and hit James on in the corner for a wide open 3
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No disagreement here
I really hope Critt starts going forward.
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Everything about his Offense is nice...
He turns the ball over a little too much…. (you kinda expect that from a young PG)…
But I’m most impressed and excited about his Defense…
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Someone sent me an e-mail about Critt
“Justin Gregor” was the sender. Here’s the text.
Why isn’t anyone talking about this guy?
The guy can penetrate and knife through a defense pretty remarkably for a 21 year old. Just turned 21 last december. The guy is raw but he is a playmaker. Great size and very quick…reminds me of gilbert when he has healthy knees.
His jump shot is awful but he’s a pg. He supposed to be a playmaker not a combo guard with a great shooting stroke like Gilbert.
Plus he actually rotates on defense.
Him and Nick Young make an exciting backcourt duo.
Perfect timing.
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We should do a player profile on him....
How much his game has changed from College to now….
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blatche had some key tough rebounds as well
very good to have him back
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by little stevie colter on Feb 17, 2009 9:31 PM EST reply actions
1-0 after the All Star break!
"...at some point, when u r screaming for more minutes for Pecherov, you have to ask yourselves this question: 'If you keep adding more pineapple to a 'Papa Johns Pizza with Pineapple', when does it become a Papa Johns Pineapple with Pizza???'"
by Gilbert4SpaceJam2 on Feb 17, 2009 9:33 PM EST reply actions
Good game. Good win
Still, should have been by more.
And as predicted: Mike James gets to talk to the reporters.
now i get the wizards victory song stuck in my head.
what a sweet tune
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Feb 17, 2009 9:35 PM EST reply actions
Minutes Watch
Jamison played 41 minutes
Butler played 38 minutes
Taser played 33 and a half minutes
Mike James and Blatche each played 27 minutes
Crittenton played a little over 24 minutes
Songaila played 21 minutes
NY played a little under 15 minutes
McGee played a little over 13 minutes
(Very) Quick recap is up
Right here. We can talk about the Eddie Jordan interview there as well.
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He's calling for a defensive frontcourt player
Ignoring that he had Brendan Haywood all these years.
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It's somewhat fair
Except that he had it already with Brendan, Antawn and Darius.
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I found his point guard comment more interesting
It indicates he was never really in love with Arenas at the point. We never really did honor that request, unless you count Daniels, who was more of a half-court guy.
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Don't think that's what Eddie meant
He seemed to want a DEFENSIVE front line….
Darius is NOT a SF…. and no one would say that Antawn is a defensive minded PF…
So the only Defensive player he had on the front line was Brendan…
Seems to indicate to me that Eddie Jordan would have been OK with a trade to get a guy like Brand, or Okafor; even if it meant giving up Jamison…
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Yeah
That was about the only real interesting thing I got out of the interview. For a second I thought that it was interesting that he said he hadn’t talked with Ernie since the firing, but what would they talk about? Nothing in there that will cause much of a controversy, which is about what I’d expect from Eddie Jordan.
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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 17, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
I thought there was a lot of subtext in there
For example, the comment that his firing was justified because they weren’t going to make any roster moves. It seems he was increasingly annoyed with the whole “wait until we’re healthy” thing.
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“If we weren’t going to improve the team personnel-wise, it wasn’t going to be a very good team.”
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His hesitation, and subsequent non-answer, on the question of whether the team’s recent performance has vindicated him was also telling.
Plus, he took a shot at the FO there
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