Open Thread: Regular Season Game 53 vs. Charlotte Bobcats
Washington Wizards at Charlotte Bobcats, Feb 11, 2009 7:00 PM EST
[Note: Getting tonight's game thread up early since I'll probably be away from the computer for most of the day. -Jake]
The Essentials:
Wizards (11-41) vs. Hawks (20-31)
7 p.m.
Time Warner Cable Arena
CSN+
This year:
December 23: Bobcats 80, Wizards 72
January 10: Bobcats 92, Wizards 89
Notable Bobcats numbers this season:
22nd in expected winning percentage (.409)
27th in pace factor (87.8 possessions per game)
28th in offensive efficiency/offensive rating (103.3)
9th in defensive efficiency/defensive rating (106.0)
Key Links: (drop any others in the comments)
Rufus on Fire
Bobcats Baseline
Bobcats Bonfire
Queen City Hoops
Game Day Charlotte
| Tonight's Starters | ||
|---|---|---|
| Wizards | vs. | Bobcats |
| Player filling in for injured starter |
PG | Raymond Felton |
| Tough Juice |
SG | Raja Bell |
| Player filling in for injured starter | SF | Boris Diaw |
| The Last Man Standing |
PF | Emeka Okafor |
| Player filling in for injured starter | C | DeSagana Diop |
For tonight's game against Charlotte, I got together with David Arnott of Rufus on Fire for a little Q&A for a look at one of our division rivals.
I was a bit surprised when I heard that Larry Brown would be coaching in Charlotte this year. How would you say he's doing in his first year as coach of the Bobcats?
The best thing about going from Sam Vincent to Larry Brown is that now we have a true professional coach. As Wizards fans saw a month ago, the Bobcats do things under Brown that they never did under Vincent, like run a coherent offensive system, and act like they have a team agenda on defense. There are little things he does that bother me: He'll order the action slower in order to micromanage and call out specific plays. If he doesn't particularly like a player, he'll jerk him around, like he did with Morrison and I know he'll end up doing with Cartier Martin. He's also been the catalyst behind transforming the team from a run n gun freewheeling group of tornadoes around Okafor into a methodical set of grinders with a stick of dynamite in Gerald Wallace. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it was certainly the more difficult thing to do rather than change his preferred style of play to match the personnel on hand. I suppose management decided (I refuse to believe MJ was involved in these decisions) that they didn't hire Larry Brown to coach while they rode out Jason Richardson's contract and gathered pieces to make a run in the 2011-12 season, which would have been the prudent thing to do, if they had the long term health of the franchise in mind.
How far away do you think Bobcats are from being playoff contenders?
They're going to be in the conversation late into this year, until the people who don't look at the schedule realize they don't have enough games left to catch up. Next year, with the same core in place, they'll almost certainly make the playoffs and get swept in the first round. The next year, given the same core and with someone to replace Raja (if they don't re-sign him, which would seem silly because of our lottery pick situation), they'll probably do the same thing.
This year, the Bobcats have already made three trades and there's been rumors swirling around Gerald Wallace and Raymond Felton almost all season long. Is all of this wheeling and dealing coincidental, or is it part of some bigger plan?
Every move the Bobcats have made this year can be understood as an attempt to simply make the playoffs this year or in the next two years--in other words, during the time frame Larry Brown can be expected to stick around. I mean, they've ADDED money to the payroll for 2011-12 and 2012-13, in the persons of DeSagana Diop and Boris Diaw. It's just delaying the inevitable rebuilding process.
How has Charlotte dealt with the widespread flooding caused by the tears of Bobcats fans after hearing the news that Adam Morrison had been traded on Saturday?
There were three factions of Bobcats fans that I could identify, in relation to Morrison. One group clung to the notion that his scoring prowess simply hasn't been unlocked, and he still needs just a little time and encouragement. One group disliked him and thought he represented MJ's failures as an executive. And a third group disliked him because he was the one who stayed while Matt Carroll got traded. I'm in the second group, I'm sympathetic to the first group, and I regard the third group with caution, because no one knows what they really use as the basis for their sympathies.
As always, thanks to David Arnott of Rufus on Fire for his insight into tonight's opponent. You can check out the flip side of the interview here.
You might want to keep an eye on the transaction page today, because there have been some rumors about the Bobcats making a trade with Indiana, so if that goes down, it would affect Charlotte's depth tonight.
This is an open thread, so if you want to start the rumors up again, do it here.
GO WIZARDS!
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Darn
Guess I’ll be watching Caps instead of Wiz (Wiz game isn’t on in Charlottesville).
Oh well, I probably would have (sorta) done this anyway…
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Feb 11, 2009 7:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind
TV listings are wrong – for the others of you in C’ville it’s on Channel 8
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Feb 11, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Once LOST comes on, I'm outta here.
call it a sick obsession. Then again, I am a Wizard’s fan.
by Pryme on Feb 11, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason the audio sounds kind of weird to me
I didn’t get to see the pregame, can anyone officially confirm that Buck and Phil are in Charlotte tonight?
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by JakeTheSnake on Feb 11, 2009 7:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
On my (Comcast-enabled) TV it's channel 25
I heard Buck&Phil quite clearly.
by Pryme on Feb 11, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but are they at the game or broadcasting from some remote location?
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Feb 11, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my cable picture looks like some sort of bootleg feed (it's not the normal channel).
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Feb 11, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah - I'm watching Comcast plus
on DirecTV – and the picture sucks……..
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by Rook6980 on Feb 11, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that's what I'm getting
It almost seems like I’m watching some European soccer match and CSN is just superimposing the graphics. It also kind of sounds like Buck and Phil’s voices are kind of disconnected from the crowd, which makes me think they’re broadcasting from a remote setup.
Then again, I’m a production student and I might just be paranoid.
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by JakeTheSnake on Feb 11, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Darius signaled the field goals good as he winced
in anticipation of the opponents easy drive to the basket
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 7:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
this starting lineup
makes it impossible not to fall behind.
i’m going to be so pissed if they are in a 10+ hole after first quarter.
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Feb 11, 2009 7:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Or you could just accept it now
and spare yourself the anger
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Feb 11, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Never give up
We’re not the ’06 celtics
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not accepting a loss
Just that we will be down a significant amount at some point in almost every game.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Feb 11, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
usually end of 4th. quarter
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Feb 11, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i wish it were that easy
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Feb 11, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as Butler and Jamison each score 30pts
and NY pours in about 20, we’ll be in this game.
by Pryme on Feb 11, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Count on Jamison
He’s showing off for the hometown crowd and the team that wanted him badly this summer.
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
For a second I was actually thinking about seeing if there was a trade with Jamison and Charlotte that would work, just for exploratory purposes, but then I remembered they’ve got Boris Diaw so I’m thinking they wouldn’t be all that interested.
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by JakeTheSnake on Feb 11, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez
42" HD Plasma TV, Hi-Def receiver….. and I might as well be watching on a 1960 B&W TV….
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by Rook6980 on Feb 11, 2009 7:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sean May
It’s a glandular problem!
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by JakeTheSnake on Feb 11, 2009 7:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
JaVale McGee
Freaky, freaky athleticism.
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by JakeTheSnake on Feb 11, 2009 7:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
His reverse layin last night had people asking
How did that kid do that? He could barely see the basket
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda makes you wonder
If they had started off early, do you think JaVale could’ve been a 7 ft. point guard? Something to ponder tonight.
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by JakeTheSnake on Feb 11, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
Let’s hope he doesn’t make a habit of that….
Pretty play though.
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by Rook6980 on Feb 11, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
earned him a seat on the bench
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Feb 11, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"As the Bobcats go on yet another run"
What a coinkydink. When you take 6 pts 3 rbds in 9 mins out of the game, shit happens
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
almost as if McGee's
size, energy and athleticism is a factor or something. Hmmm.
by Pryme on Feb 11, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Random
If they ever remake Moonraker, Darius Songaila would make a good Jaws
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 7:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Feb 11, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is awful
the effort is not there.
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Feb 11, 2009 7:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They're trying to speed the game along so they can see Duke-UNC
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by JakeTheSnake on Feb 11, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean for scouting/draft purposes?
In that case, “Yay.”
by Pryme on Feb 11, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McGee blokced a shot.
Time to send him back to the bench.
by Pryme on Feb 11, 2009 7:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
During timeouts last night
McGee watched the Jumbotron the whole time, Young also but not as bad, he did kind of a splitscreen where he pretended to be paying attention to Tapscott
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 8:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
have to wonder if that's youth, character
or that fact that the team is 11-41 with a lame duck coach. all 3, to some degree, but i think mcgee will be alright.
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by little stevie colter on Feb 11, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's probably because the Jumbotron was more entertaining
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by Rook6980 on Feb 11, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Many of the timeouts
Tap had a private coach’s huddle on court, away from the players. Does he normally do that?
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Every team does that
The coaches huddle, figure out what to tell the players, then tell them.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Feb 11, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Huddle out near the freethrowline while the players are at the bench
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I mean, maybe not that far, but it’s common practice for coaches to have their own quick huddle before talking to the players.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Feb 11, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McGee in 12 minutes 3 of 4 for 8 points. 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 1 block
D-Song in 12 minutes 0 of 1 for 0 points, 0 rebounds, 2 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks
just sayin………….
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by Rook6980 on Feb 11, 2009 8:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, McGee isn't ready yet
we need to rely more on the vets.
by Pryme on Feb 11, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Even though McGee keeps getting stats like that, and Songaila keeps getting stats like THAT…..
It’s OBVIOUS that Songaila at 6’9" is the better player and should start at Center, and get the bulk of the minutes.
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by Rook6980 on Feb 11, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Buck and Phil can’t think of a good draft pick for the Wizards by Jordan.
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by JakeTheSnake on Feb 11, 2009 8:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sweet Memories
Jordan Welcomes Brown to NBA
http://www.nba.com/draft2001/news/kwame_010628.html?nav=ArticleList
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
guards getting layups
good lord that gets old
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by little stevie colter on Feb 11, 2009 8:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Taser!
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by Rook6980 on Feb 11, 2009 8:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What a move by Songaila
he looked very “veteran like” missing that lay up
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by Rook6980 on Feb 11, 2009 8:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's the little things that don't show up on the stat sheet...
…or something.
by Pryme on Feb 11, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Has Mike James EVER hit one of those running one hand push shots?
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by Rook6980 on Feb 11, 2009 8:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
enough to make him think he can do it
My unofficial count for the year is roughly 2 of 15
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Feb 11, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
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by JakeTheSnake on Feb 11, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My god
Jamison didn’t even remotely step up there.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Feb 11, 2009 8:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Can anyone else explain to me
Why Caron never looks for McGee when he drives?
McGee could catch literally anything.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Feb 11, 2009 8:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Except that
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by JakeTheSnake on Feb 11, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's not just caron
they simply don’t pass to him on offense
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by little stevie colter on Feb 11, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is true
And I really don’t get it.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Feb 11, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of
Jamison and McGee ran to the same place, McGee misses the alley oop.
Who do you think has a better chance of finishing?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Feb 11, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well - not exactly true
Jamison, Songaila and Butler don’t pass to JaVale….
Young, Crittenton, James and the rest do…
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by Rook6980 on Feb 11, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The great lockerroom divide
Jamison talks about carries over into ball distribution
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's what it is as well
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by Rook6980 on Feb 11, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe his arms still asleep
Trip 2’s for Songaila
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damnit
this game is so winnable; the Bobcats have given them so many chances to come back.
by Pryme on Feb 11, 2009 8:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it's not winnable
if your only defense is fouling, and that often ends in a 3-point play
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Feb 11, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This hasn't been discussed a lot here
But Nick Young’s dropff on three point shooting is really baffling this season.
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by JakeTheSnake on Feb 11, 2009 8:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe because
Wizards have 15 mpg of post presence(McGee), nobodys really drawing the defense into the paint for kickouts now that Haywoods injured
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a part of it
But he’s had some looks, especially tonight and he just hasn’t been able to put them down this year.
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by JakeTheSnake on Feb 11, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More on that
Wizards as a team are down from .360 last year to .324 this year (.036)
Youngs down from .400 to .344 (.056)
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Better as the season's progressed
Nov- 4 for 21;19%
Dec- 7 for 22; 32%
Jan- 13 for 31; 42%
Feb- 9 for 21; 43%
The last two months he’s surpassed his 07/08 avg. of 40%
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe his arms still asleep
Trip 2’s for Songaila
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 8:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice defense Antawn
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Feb 11, 2009 8:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We're making half this team look like they deserve All Star berths.
Sickening.
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by Icantfeelmyface on Feb 11, 2009 9:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
what's more sickening is that most of these guys
were either contemplating retirement or in the D-League a few months ago.
by Pryme on Feb 11, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know the Wizards are in town
When you hear Vlaaadimirrrr Radmaaanooovic booming out of the speakers
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 9:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
radmanovic just had 2 wide open 3's
the 2nd courtesy of an offensive board
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by little stevie colter on Feb 11, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
especially after a baseline move and a LeBron like tomahawk slam
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by Rook6980 on Feb 11, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry – that was a reply to morethesamewiz
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by Rook6980 on Feb 11, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought thats why the Bobcats traded for him
Mad hops
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Feb 11, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
8 point lead feels like 20
since wiz can/will not play d
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by little stevie colter on Feb 11, 2009 9:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i think charlotte might be decent
next year. good guards to go along with diaw and omeka
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Feb 11, 2009 9:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Won't get that opportunity back
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by JakeTheSnake on Feb 11, 2009 9:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah way to value a possession
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Feb 11, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What a veteran pass by Darius
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Feb 11, 2009 9:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And a veteran screen
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Feb 11, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thank god for the freaking all star break
i need to get away from this crap and renew my pointless optimism, which can only be done by not watching this “basketball team”
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Feb 11, 2009 9:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Woulda liked McGee in the dunk contest
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McGee can jump
but not sure he can do anything with the ball in the air….
NY would be very good though
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by Rook6980 on Feb 11, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That should be the next Wizards youtube video
From the people who brought you One Hand or Two: The Stevenson-Arenas Story…
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In the corner for Radmonovich
And Buck says “Oh MY !!” like he was surprised when he hit a wide open 3 pointer.
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by Rook6980 on Feb 11, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Watching Antawn Jamison play defense makes me want to club myself over the head
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Feb 11, 2009 9:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
But did you see him block that punk in his high school days?
He did it once, I swear.
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by JakeTheSnake on Feb 11, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that that's over with...GO HEELS!
by morethesamewiz on Feb 11, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And don't forget
Oklahoma is playing Baylor on ESPN2.
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by JakeTheSnake on Feb 11, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Watch Blake Griffin
He’s an absolute stud
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by Rook6980 on Feb 11, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least someone is playing good ball
Heels – Oklahoma Finals?
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