Trade with Warriors

by tafkasam on Dec 5, 2009 6:07 PM EST

Hi Bullets fans. First just wanna preface by saying its good to see Agent Zero back. As a Warriors fan I'll always be fond of him. I had a trade idea for Caron Butler, and was wondering what you all think.

I am reading Caron Butler might be on the trading block? It seems he's having a hard time adapting to flip's system. To be honest, i've always liked his game. He'd help our young team in need of a veteran who is not a jerk like Stack Jack. So I have multiple proposals, depending on whether you want more financial flexibility or talent.....

Trade 1: Raja Bell + Speedy Claxton. Speedy is more or less retired so 80+ % of his 5 million dollar contract are picked up by insurance. Something I'm sure your Wizards management would love being in luxury tax. Raja is technically untradeable till january 15 as is, and won't be able to suit up till february. However he'd be a perfect fit for what Flip wants at 2guard. Still an elite defender, unselfish and can hit outside shots. He also expires so in the end of the season you have 10+ mil (what Caron would get paid) off the books, and in summer you could sign a player more apt to compliment Gilbert

Trade 2: Kelenna Azubuike + Raja + Devean George. George is like Speedy's case only he makes 1.6 mil. Kelenna it would hurt me to trade. He is out for the year but is on an extremely small contract for how effective he's been. Probably the warriors best defender and an over 45% 3pt shooter, who is just as effective going to the rim (career .557 TS%, on par w/ kobe and co.) He's another player who doesn't need the ball much and can play 2 or 3 effectively. With Bell you'd obviously receive a player who can play 2 for the end of the season, and if you can get it together and push for playoffs. Would be a huge addition

I realize neither option are really to be considered till closer to trade deadline. Wondering what you all think?

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No and no

I thought Azubuike is hurt? Butler may be struggling, but we aren’t going to dump him for nothing.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 5, 2009 8:22 PM EST reply actions

Azubuike is out for the year

how about Anthony Randolph?

Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!

by Sean Fagan on Dec 5, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions

Nothing there I would want if I were Ernie Grunfeld…

Trading All-Star Caron Butler, I would expect Grunfeld would want something substantial in return…..

Raja Bell is getting pretty long in the tooth… and I wouldn’t consider him an “elite” defender any more; he’s lost at least one step.

Kelenna Azubuike is a nice player, but we’d need more in return.

The other problem is that the Wizards have 15 players on the current roster… They cannot accept more players in return than they give up…. not enough roster spots.

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by Rook6980 on Dec 5, 2009 10:30 PM EST reply actions

Maybe its just a coincidence

but both of these players are injured, and dont have a place in your rotation. Why would we give up one of our starters, for a player who gets zero minutes in your rotation?

by Alpha_Snail on Dec 5, 2009 11:00 PM EST reply actions

A bit wishful

To think we’d trade an all star for two players who are out for the year (or at least significantly injured). Kelenna is a nice player, but he isn’t Caron and Raja is old and just had surgery.

I think if the warriors want Caron, then we would need to talk Anthony Randolph and Morrow. Of our big 3, Caron has the most reasonable contract AND the shortest contract. He is a tremendously valuable asset even if he isn’t playing too well right now.

by Manimal Smith on Dec 6, 2009 12:38 AM EST reply actions

Fair Enough

my logic was if Butler wasn’t going to fit in, expirings to give you guys the cap space to get a player you want in summer (losing butler would put u 10 under the cap i believe). Also the emergence of Nick young + Mike miller and co….

lastly i was unaware of your financial status. I know you are in luxury tax and insurance covered contract like speedy or raja could be monetarily appealing.

by tafkasam on Dec 6, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions

It's 10 under the cap, but with Haywood and Miller and Foye as FAs

So that cap space wouldn’t mean anything.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 6, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions

as for AR

consider warriors lack of sizer, theres zero chance he’d be traded for anything other than a big.

Even then, most believe he’s a future star. I personally don’t. I think he’s a freak athlete who rebounds well but has way too many flaws i dont think he’ll over come (it’s really hard to teach basketball IQ) but i’m in the minority. He’s also barely 20 and rebounds at 1 of highest rates in nba despite being 210 lbs…

by tafkasam on Dec 6, 2009 2:59 PM EST reply actions

You are right, but..

I wouldn’t put anything past the warrior’s front office. If they were to trade AR it should be for a 4 with size/rebounding who can also play at an up tempo, but they are incompetent enough to ignore their needs and try to add another wing scorer. If they would sign Magette to that contract, then there is no reason to think that they wouldn’t trade for a much better player in Butler who is in a somewhat similar mold to Maggette (especially when Butler has a much more reasonable contract and, I think, is younger).

by Manimal Smith on Dec 6, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions

i was hoping you didn't notice how dumb our management is

Caron is similar, but he is a much better passer (mags is allergic to passing), defender, and i feel he has some range? I could be wrong on his range. Thought you guys might wanna let him go, it doesn’t seem to be working…

I don’t mind maggette for what he is. He works well as a miss-match 4. He scores as efficiently as any wing in the league (higher career TS% than kobe and lebron for ex.) That being said he’s a MLE type of guy and we pay him to essentially be a star, or a #2 option. Since Nellie moves him to 6th man scorer role, he’s atleast become not totally worthless.

I still hope warriors trade AR for someone better. I feel his value is overrated as a whole

by tafkasam on Dec 7, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions