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Around SBN: Terry Collins, David Wright, And The Mets/Brewers Kerfuffle

Wizards lose another close game to a bad team in heartbreaking fashion

Final score for 2009:

Basketball Gods: Infinity and 1.

Washington Wizards: Negative infinity.

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We need to look on the bright side....

This team is only one or two pieces away from a Championship…..

We suck this year – get ANOTHER lottery pick – trade it for two MORE journeyman Shooting guards – and we’ll be right there…..

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Dec 28, 2009 11:01 PM EST reply actions  

John Salmons and Kirk Hinrich?

Mike Dunleavy and Dahntay Jones?
Rasual Butler and Al Thornton?
Morris Peterson and James Posey?

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 28, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I read that too quickly. Didn’t detect the sarcasm at first.

by Matt K. on Dec 28, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Just to make sure we get to the Lottery

We need to be sure to play the veterans – No use in “developing” youngsters; when they’ll just be sitting on the bench next year anyway. Keep guys like Nick Young, JaVale McGee, Javaris Crittenton and Dom McGuire firmly glued to the bench… We need to espouse the “party line” that we need to continue to try to win games this year – to develop a winning attitude and an environment where playing time is “earned” based on the number of years of NBA service. I mean, after all we cannot go through the season looking like we are TRYING to lose games; but if we play the same veteran players, in the same rotations, we should get the same results.

Besides, the veterans have proven they can lose 60 games… they’ve done it before, they can do it again. (It’s just too bad Darius Songaila is not here to play Center for us)….

After the season, we can our “assets” (read: draft picks) to trade for some more mediocre veteran players…. and do the whole thing over again…. ad nauseam .

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Dec 29, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

all the people

that want to see us trot out a core of arenas, nick young, blatche, and mcgee… be careful what you wish for.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 29, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

It's at least a move toward the future

And an eye on a long-term vision rather than the cluterfuck that currently exists.

You gotta suck before you get good. Look at a lot of the surprising teams this year. They took their lumps with their young guys last year, and those young guys gained experience and improved this year.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 29, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

if you mean

by getting good we’ll acquire a free agent or a pick or two and build over the long haul, yeah. if you mean we’ll get good because nick young and blatche will turn into high quality nba starters. i’m not with you. and mcgee is two years away at least, if he pans out.

i mean, that team couldn’t win in summer league. people on here seriously overrate those guys.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 29, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure, but...

Sure: Blatche, Young, Dom, and Javaris are most likely never going to make the All-Star team. The jury is still out on JaVale, but unlike the other guys, he is a freak that has way more physical tools than his peers at his position.

But: Two of those guys were 2nd round picks, two were mid-1st round pick, the other was a late 1st round pick.

I don’t think anyone here is saying we’re all of a sudden going to be playoff team next year if those 5 players received significant time this season to develop, and significant time next season as our anchors.

I think the sentiment is that our team is totally hosed right now with a mix of veterans that have shown they cannot play and win together, and young players who are not yet ready to win. We’re not going anywhere with this team, as currently constructed.

I also think the sentiment is that if you look at the Hawks, Blazers, Thunder, Grizzlies, and the Kings, they are all models for how to build a winning/playoff team through the draft and with patience and development time for young players. Those teams didn’t do it overnight, but they did do it with a combination of lottery picks, mid 1st round picks, and nice veteran pickups.

Atlanta drafted Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, Al Horford and paired them with veteran pickups in Bibby and Joe Johnson.

Portland essentially drafted their entire team with their only FA pickup of note being Steve Blake a few years back (not counting Andre Miller for obvious reasons).

Ditto for OKC, ditto for Memphis (Randolph and Tinsley), and Sacto (Nocioni, Beno)

This team isn’t going anywhere near playoff success, so I just think its time that we start looking at blowing this whole thing up and starting over. Gilbert is probably un-tradeable, but all the other vets can go. We should keep our existing young players for now because they are on cheap rookie contracts and because it would be nice to continue to discover what/if they can contribute long term.

It’s going to take another 2-3 years of not being in the playoffs, but we’ll probably add 2 really good players through the draft to pair with whichever of our existing young players that pan out (and probably Gilbert).

by formula0 on Dec 29, 2009 3:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Atlanta’s best players were FA pickups. I don’t think they are a good example. Memphis doesn’t look poised for greatness, maybe good-ness. Sacto could fall either way I believe.

Then there are all the teams that have been rebuilding for a long long time. You don’t always get good fortune to fall your way.

I’m not against rebuilding, I just think everyone needs to really realize the years of frustration ahead and the possibility that you can end up in the middle of the pack even if you make smart choices.

by MR on Dec 29, 2009 6:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm more fustrated watching our team go nowhere

at least in the rebuilding process you see progress being made through the young guys. We’re stuck watching our big 3 play nearly the whole game to even give us a chance to win.

by DaGribb on Dec 29, 2009 7:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Smith, Horford, Marvin all draft picks

They’re the second, third and fifth best players on the team.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 29, 2009 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Take Johnson and Bibby off the team and they ain’t much.

I just think it’s a little delusional to look at Portland as the model and say “blow it up”. There are a lot of blown up teams that are mired in mediocrity or worse for years and years.

Unless your draft pick becomes a Lebron, Howard, Duncan…you may be in for a lot of hurt.

by MR on Dec 29, 2009 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

We've already been in a lot of hurt the past 2 years

And it’s not looking brighter anytime soon with the roster we have.

by formula0 on Dec 29, 2009 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Awesome.

I’m all for this “strategy”, just as long as we don’t have a Spanish Pistol Pete fall to us in the lottery, or an undersized PF but the best rebounder in recent memory in college basketball fall to us in the 2nd round.

by formula0 on Dec 29, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

One play

Why sub Deshawn Stevenson? Flip had no business doing that. He’s the guy who fouls in crucial situations – before the in-bound pass. Chalk that game up to that move. DS is a game killer. Flip doesn’t get it.

by Izman on Dec 28, 2009 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

That happened in the second quarter

You’re really grasping at straws there.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 28, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me know if I'm off here

but this seems to be a case of history repeating itself. Let me explain.

The Wiz, to me, always had this habit of overcompensating personnel-wise for something that happened in prior seasons, only to create a new problem for the current one. I remember back during the MJ Era when everyone was freaking out about Jordan missing significant time due to injuries so they brought in Stackhouse for insurance.

Thing is, Jordan didn’t suffer any big injury that year so now you have two guys who play the same position (and are used to playing big minutes) practically battling each other; while Jordan was trying to get back into playing shape, Stackhouse was trying to prove that he was a legitimate scoring option.

I see a similar pattern now: we stacked our roster “in case” Arenas or Butler or Jamison missed significant time, and they aren’t. So now everyone’s trying to find out where they fit in on this team, and as weird as this sounds, the Big Three being healthier has made that more difficult.

I know people are saying we don’t have too many role players, but there’s a reason for that: these guys weren’t meant to be role players. We’ve had role players back during the Time of Ridiculous Injuries, and it showed.

by Pryme on Dec 28, 2009 11:06 PM EST reply actions  

doesn't hold water

sure we have too many guards, but we did run out of them at one point which is why boykins was signed. the mistake has been in keeping him.

if anything i’d say it’s Abe’s doing for wanting to win now when the pieces weren’t in place to get the pieces in place to really make a push. even with all of the guards, the trade for foye and miller is still one more move away from making sense.

it’s two strikes against eg. one for boykins and letting tactical victories dictate strategy, and two for putting the team in a position where they had to succeed in order to keep moving forward. there was no viable plan b with this group if things went south.

by kevin22 on Dec 28, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Plan B is coming

I think the best part of the Wiz strategy in the last 6 months was that there IS a plan B. We have a LOT of expiring money.

by MR on Dec 29, 2009 6:03 AM EST up reply actions  

role players

Even though I want us to rebuild this team I want to see us start with a lineup of
PG-Arenas
SG-Young
SF-Butler
PF-Blatche
C-Haywood
I’m sure we’ve had this roster in before at some point, but the Spurs have it right with Ginobili coming off the bench. The Mavs have Terry coming off the bench. I want to see the rotation be limited to those 5 with Miller, Jamison, McGee, and Foye or Boykins.

by DaGribb on Dec 28, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

SOO

I don’t have access to a tv right now and every 2-3 minutes I would update yahoo box score. So yahoo had at one point a final score of 102-100 with the Wiz winning and came on bullets forever to get everyones take on the game. I get on bullets forever and see the score 113-111 in OT and I actually got a little happy that we didn’t win….granted its still early in the season. I’m already in rebuild this team mode because if we aren’t seriously gonna be contending with possibly our most hyped Wizards team since Webber days then TRY AGAIN. TMAC?

by DaGribb on Dec 28, 2009 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

T-mac?

Thats just what we need. Another injury prone forward

by CNUwizkid on Dec 28, 2009 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

well Flip's doing such a great side with the varsity team

I would like Flip to be around for a while, but if we were rebuilding then it be about having the right fit for the job. I don’t know if any Wizards rotation can produce wins this season, but going back to the whole pie analogy…I feel like Flip is 30% b/c he isn’t doing a very good job blending the young talent we have.

by DaGribb on Dec 28, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

DS is a game killer. For being in the game for 1 minute HAHAHHAA

Boykins = game killer

goodnight yall

by Unxpekted on Dec 28, 2009 11:22 PM EST reply actions  

Don't mean to rub salt in it

but let’s just remember too: no Rudy Gay tonight.

Just in case any of you out there weren’t feeling pathetic enough yet.

by MR on Dec 28, 2009 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

Plenty of critical missed free throws tonight

I’ve been praying to the basketball gods for the return of Hopla, but I see that my prayers continue to fall on deaf ears. Or maybe they hear me, but they want the Wizards to suck.

by satchmore on Dec 28, 2009 11:41 PM EST reply actions  

we are not close

at one point i think we were 8-11 from three point land and we were still losing by 4 points?! i mean. come on.

we’re still getting nothing from our bench. boykins 0-7. blatche 4 turnovers. so yeah, despite prada making fun of it above, i still think trading prospects on our bench (not a lottery pick) for hinrich, salmons, and one of chicago’s bigs would be a good move in a certain light.

but unfortunately, while that’s a problem, i’m taking a mulligan on that being the major problem. the bullseye is back on the flipster right now (and EG for bringing him in). this ain’t working out. we don’t look like a good team. our guys just plain suck all of a sudden? i don’t buy it. how much longer are we supposed to wait before we start seeing the results of his offensive genius? i’m starting to seriously question whether it’s ever going to happen without overhauling for players that suit flip.

nobody looks particularly confident or comfortable to me. AJ might even be the most out of sorts at this point.

i guess i have little choice other than to be patient, but i’m starting to feel resentful.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 28, 2009 11:52 PM EST reply actions  

my point being

i don’t think we overrated them as a 50 win team versus a 25 win team. no way. we’re not that stupid.

maybe we overachieved with EJ and those guys a little bit. i have no problem with overachievement. i miss overachievement. better than attempting to grind it out efficiency wise when we are an explosive team not an efficient team.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 29, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Now we are boring

and we cant win. Ugh I watched the first half at the gym and the trading of baskets just couldnt bring me back for the second half.

by ccrun1800 on Dec 29, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I meant that team would struggle in this eastern conference

and really I think they underachieved at that time. I’m just saying this was never a team that could realistically challenge for a championship. They underachieved in the playoffs and the defensive lapses have always been there. I’m not sure if those teams would be doing all that much better than ours is now. So to act like we were a great team and now all of the sudden we suck and therefore it’s Flip’s fault might be a leap. Maybe those teams were kinda mediocre and now our best player has been working his way back from 2 years of rust and 3 surgeries and we have had some injuries and the Eastern conference is alot stronger than it was then.

by BayAreaBullet on Dec 29, 2009 2:30 AM EST up reply actions  

you really think any of these teams are that good?

  5. Miami 6.0 6. Toronto 9.0 7. Charlotte 10.5 8. Milwaukee 10.5 9. Chicago 11.0 10. Detroit 12.0 11. New York 12.0 12. Washington 12.5 13. Indiana 13.5 14. Philadelphia 15.0 15. New Jersey 21.5

miami is the 5th best team in the conference and it’s really that much better than it used to be?

i think things are ripe for the pickings.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 29, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

you seem to be missing my point

I was saying those Wizards teams were never very good and only won 1 playoff series. Those teams would be battling for the 5-8 seed this year and we are a couple of fouls and missed FT’s from being in that discussion now. So to say that we were a great team who know sucks becuase of Flip is a little disingenuous. We were always a team that was more pretender than contender that made moderate amounts of noise in a historically bad Eastern conference. Not once did they ever beat someone in the playoffs they weren’t supposed to and arguably had the better roster the first time we played the Cavs than they did so to call them overachievers would be a stretch. I think they got less than their talent would suggest those years. I never said we are out of it this year just that there wasn’t much of a difference between those teams and the one this year.

by BayAreaBullet on Dec 29, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

separately

i’ve never accused us of being a championship caliber team. we’re more of a 4 or 5 seed that would give folks a run for their money.

we used to get up on teams by 20+ points every now and again and just run away with it. opponents used to fear our offensive outbursts. that’s a pipe dream with this squad. what the heck happened? i say flip.

if by underachieve you mean gamble on defense, take questionable shots, constantly attack, and live and die on your aggressiveness, i’d gladly take that with this team. it’s much better than trying to play meat and potatoes hoops with gil and aj and caron. they aren’t playing to their strengths. you’re not going to outboard and dominate defensively with jamison for goodness sakes.

if we were going to blow up the team we should have done it before we traded away our lottery pick. if we were trying to compete we should have simply played to our strengths. then we might have continued to befuddle the john hollingers and flip saunders’s of the world.

now we’re looking at completely rebuilding via fire sale. yay! enjoy flip!

by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 29, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally I think Flip is basically 110% of EJ and not much of an improvement

but to say this is his fault is a little silly IMHO. Those teams would always let teams back in cuz they played pathetic defense and counted on Gilbert to bail them out at the end of close games(which he did at an impressive clip) now we have more depth but Gilbert is still getting his game back and the breaks we used to get have been going against us this year. This team has always been horribly defensively(especially on the 3pt line and in transistion), lacked post scoring, struggled to rebound, not done the little things, etc. Now they just don’t have Arenas at 100% making ridiculous game savers/winners weekly and Caron takes more shots when he used to be a third banana.

by BayAreaBullet on Dec 29, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

then what about 2007-2008

when we didn’t have gil making game savers and ridiculous winners weekly and we went 43-38?

and the year we actually did have gil doing that we were on pace for 50 wins before the injury onslaught.

and we won 41+ games for like four years straight, with the same core. so, right back at you: it’s silly, IMHO, to write all that off as a fluke, or say we’ve always been a bad team and it’s just showing through now.

now we’re on pace for something like 25 wins. you’re really going to blame all that on unfortunate breaks and bad bounces? after a 4 year run of relative success? i mean, we used to let people back into the game because we used to be up by 10-15 points on a semi-frequent basis. a 17 game swing? and what about the bad breaks we had with that morris peterson shot? or the mo williams backbreakers? or the ramon sessions game winner. we lost some tough ones the years we won 40+ games too.

i’m probably blaming flip too much yeah, but you seem to be trying to have it both ways, saying we’re a bunch of suckers who just got lucky and who never did anything of substance, saying we were never championship caliber material (and that i agree with), yet still saying

I think they got less than their talent would suggest those years

so which is it? are we a talented team, or are we a bad team? if we’re a talented team that plays poorly and undisciplined, well then flip really brought out the bad in us this year. we’re like the worst of both worlds.

i really think you’re underestimating the extent to which we’re struggling right now. we are borderline non-competitive. i’m sorry. that is unacceptable for this roster. flip’s got to take a hit for this.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 29, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said we were a bad team those years just mediocre.

and we are a couple shots away from being mediocre this year. As for 2007-2008 being 2 games over 500 and the 6th seed in the playoffs is exactly where a team with AJ and CB and Haywood should have ended up in the crappy east that year(really the East was putrid that year and 2 of the playoff teams had losing records including the hawks with a 37 win team). Also that season they had a ridiculous slow pace(27th of 30 teams) where they walked it up and grinded everything out in halfcourt. This year we are ninth out of 30 so it’s not like that season backs up your feeling that we are getting away from the style that was working for us earlier unless you mean we need to run less and grind out more halfcourt possesions. We put 4 seasons of 45(45,42,41,43) or fewer wins which was impressive in comparison to the previous years but nothing to write home about. I mean if we had been in the West we wouldn’t have even been a playoff team for 3 of those 4 years. I just think we were always a very thin line between playoffs and sucking like this. As for my statement “I think they got less than their talent would suggest those years” I simply meant I thought we should have been better those years based on the talent available. We have always been a talented team that underachieved to a certain extent IMO. I mean in 2005-2006 I think we had more talent on our roster than Cleveland but Cleveland played like a team and maximized their talent allwoing them to win 8 more games than us that year and beat us in the playoffs.
Anyways I was merely responding to your statement "the bullseye is back on the flipster right now (and EG for bringing him in). this ain’t working out. we don’t look like a good team. our guys just plain suck all of a sudden? i don’t buy it. how much longer are we supposed to wait before we start seeing the results of his offensive genius? " by saying we weren’t particulary good those years. Maybe you consider barely being above .500 in a historically bad conference as a good team but I consider that kinda mediocre and those teams had the same problems as we do now. To be fair I might be taking that statment out of context I just felt those you were implying Flip had to be the problem cuz we used to be good, when I felt those teams were kinda mediocre. I think the offensive shortcomings have alot more to do with us riding a recovering Gilbert(With his contract we had to still run offense through him even when he wasn’t ready) and Caron refusing to scale back his offensive role as well as bringing lots of new players into the team/rotation. I’m sure adjusting to a new offense might have contributed some but I think that is one of several factors(and a minor one) hampering the offense this year and as always our real problem is defense and rebounding and hustle. Plus didn’t those teams usually struggle coming out of the gate or at certain parts of the year and then get hot for like a month or 2? Personally I think now that Arenas is looking better we will go on a mini-run soon and end up in the 35-41 win range and like the 7-8 seed. Once again sorry if I took you out of context but it seemed you were implying we used to be a playoff team with EJ and now are sucking this year so the problem has to be Flip when playing undisciplined has been holding back this core for years.

by BayAreaBullet on Dec 29, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

still disagree?

and we are a couple shots away from being mediocre this year

. Maybe you consider barely being above .500 in a historically bad conference as a good team but I consider that kinda mediocre and those teams had the same problems as we do now

your argument depends on us being mediocre right now. we aren’t even close to mediocre right now. flip just turned against the team tonight.

again, i’d take mediocre.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 30, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Earl Boykins sucks

Some nights he has it, other nights he has nothing.

In any case, I’m sick of seeing him dribble out the clock on every possession and grind the offense to a halt.

by formula0 on Dec 28, 2009 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

The earl boykins losses have to stop. It has to. At this point I’d rather see crit play pg than boykins, we have lost game after game because of the deficits he puts us in unless Gil is in.

by Unxpekted on Dec 29, 2009 12:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Critt isn't even that bad

he is average, but u gotta stop with the constant Boykins bashing. Almost all of us hate him so u don’t need to convince us

by FNFWizardsFan on Dec 29, 2009 2:44 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well, it ain't Gilbert...

January clearance sales about to begin.

by khrabb on Dec 29, 2009 3:50 AM EST reply actions  

Why dont we try and trade for a big

Quickly to play the 2, Preferably a young hungry player like Tyrus Thomas
or Glen Davis and try and morph out of just jump shooting for 48mins.
SAVE OUR SEASON

by wuds100 on Dec 29, 2009 4:50 AM EST reply actions  

We are all frustrated

But I didn’t see us play badly tonight. Indeed I saw a lot of hustle and fire out there. Caron looked energized, Randy Foye looked like a completely different player and Gil was stroking threes.

We CANNOT afford to lose games like these, but all teams do it.

We still need to blow up the team. Based on what I am seeing I’d actually start with Jamison and see how it pans out from there. He might be a class guy and a warrior, but I actually think he is the piece that fits least well into this system and he is going to be our biggest long term contract liability.

by Manimal Smith on Dec 29, 2009 5:03 AM EST reply actions  

I mostly agree with this

I actually put most of this loss on Flip. Taking out Gil and Haywood in the fourth quarter at the same time really hurt us, and one reason we couldn’t rebound is that Flip insisted on going zone for most of the fourth quarter and overtime.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 29, 2009 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

right. that's the problem

But I didn’t see us play badly tonight. Indeed I saw a lot of hustle and fire out there. Caron looked energized, Randy Foye looked like a completely different player and Gil was stroking threes

we played with energy, guys were really trying last night. we were 8-11 from three point range in the first half, there were lots of positive signs, yet we still couldn’t pull away from a mediocre memphis team missing maybe it’s best player. that’s a really bad sign.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 29, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really

Teams have games like this all the time. The Celtics just blew a gutwrenching game to the no-heart clippers – it doesn’t mean that they suck. Often two teams play well and one wins an it just happens to be the case that the Wiz can’t catch a break this season.

The problem isn’t how we played last night, the problem is that we have dug such a hole that we can’t afford to lose those games (unlike say, the Celtics).

The bigger problem is that we have a mediocre team, but last night’s game was not really a prime example of what’s wrong with that.

by Manimal Smith on Dec 29, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

you lost me

the level of effort and the must-win approach was not the problem last night, i agree.

we can also both agree that the team is at best mediocre right now.

so let’s just roll with that.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 29, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Jamison and Miller for TMac (Step 1)

Butler for Azubuike and Claxton (Step 2)

We get all expiring contracts that match up to about 31M. We get worse, but competitive in this awesome free agent market. Try for Bosh? We get lousy (assuming we aren’t already) this year and have a very strong big man draft coming up. That’s rebuilding fast right?

by DaGribb on Dec 29, 2009 8:15 AM EST reply actions  

Houston won't want Jamison

Their strongest positions are SF (Battier, Ariza) and PF (Scola, Landry, Hayes).

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 29, 2009 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought Scola and Hayes

actually are being played at center

by DaGribb on Dec 29, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Not really

Our team minus those players plus a rookie big main isn’t going anywhere.

If we give the team away we need to get picks back.

Plus, Bosh is not signing onto a rebuilding broken team.

by MR on Dec 29, 2009 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Ugh

That would be selling Jamison for 40 cents on the dollar and Butler for 10 cents.

Jamison is good enough to get a 1st rounder or both a young player and a 2nd rounder along with cap relief and Butler is good enough to get cap relief and several young players or cap relief a young player and a good draft pick.

Ernie may not get full value for either of them but he isn’t just going to dump them for expiring contracts straight up.

by Manimal Smith on Dec 29, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Why do you have to trade these guys for nothing?

If we’re salary dumping, at least get some young talent in return. How about something like Jamison to Cleveland for JJ Hickson and Ilgauskas?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Dec 29, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

That's a trade that Cleveland would do in a heartbeat

and I think they already offered that last year……..

EG can get rid of Jamison at any point…. Butler is also trade-able…

Jamison for expiring and Hickson.
Butler for expiring, youngster, and draft pick
drop Boykins….
Allow Foye and Miller to expire
Try to re-sign Haywood.
Suck enough this year to get a Lottery draft pick.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Dec 29, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

IIRC

Cleveland offered Wally World’s expiring contract for AJ.

I have a love-hate relationship with AJ, and more and more I get the feeling that you just can’t build a championship caliber team with him as the starting 4.

by jones-y on Dec 29, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I would love a front court of the future with Blatche, Hickson, and Mcgee.

Then, why not try something like Caron+Nick Young for Josh Howard+Beaubois depending on how good you think Beaubois can be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Dec 29, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The more I think about it, the more I hate this idea.

I still think Caron is a valuable player – just not in this offense. I wish the Knicks were still sucking, then maybe you could make a play for some Utah expirings and the Knicks unprotected #1 pick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Dec 29, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Try This Line Up

I have been watching alot recently and the Wizards either look too small, too slow or both. They need to get more athletes on the floor to start the game. Here is my starters

PG – Gil
Center – Bwood
PF – Blatche
SG – Young
SF – Jamison

Sure Jammison would get beat some by other SF – but he would also cause post up problems. This line up would give us a combination of veterans and youth and length and quickness. We need to mix it up and take some chances. Sure some people will get their nose out of joint – but the big three are not working together now.

Then bring Butler, Foye, Miller, McGee off the bench for energy/grit. Determine who should be in the end depending on how they are playing and the match-ups versus the other team

by Buttgras on Dec 29, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

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