Philadelphia 76ers vs. Washington Wizards: Regular Season Game 26 Open Thread
by Mike Prada on Dec 22, 2009 4:45 PM EST
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Philadelphia 76ers at Washington Wizards, Dec 22, 2009 7:00 PM EST
The Essentials:
76ers (7-20) vs. Wizards (8-17)
7 p.m.
Verizon Center
TV: CSN
Radio: 106.7 The Fan
Notable 76ers numbers this season
26th in expected winning percentage (.356)
28th in pace (90.7 possessions per game)
17th in offensive efficiency/offensive rating (106.8)
29th in defensive efficiency/defensive rating (111.4)
Pre-game links
Liberty Ballers, SB Nation's 76ers Blog
Philadunkia, a 76ers blog
Depressed Fan, a 76ers blog
Deep Sixer with Philadelphia Inquirer Beat Reporter Kate Fagan
GameDay 76ers
| Tonight's Projected Starters | ||
|---|---|---|
| 76ers | vs. | Wizards |
| Louis Williams |
PG | Gilbert Arenas |
| Jrue Holiday | SG | Randy Foye |
| Andre Iguodala | SF | Caron Butler |
| Thaddeus Young | PF | Antawn Jamison |
| Samuel Dalembert |
C | Brendan Haywood |
We know the 76ers. It's our old coach, running our old sets. We also played them this year, though you have to add Marreese Speights and Caron Butler (both injured last game) into the picture. With the way Speights is playing, that swap might favor Philadelphia right now.
The other difference? Elton Brand is not starting; instead, rookie Jrue Holiday, who killed us last time, will. Again, probably not an even trade for us at this stage. Brand's upset he isn't playing, but he's not fully recovered from injury and the Sixers need to go small to push that pace (seriously, that team is 28th in pace? What is Eddie Jordan doing? In case you also noticed, Philly's is 29th in defense, after being 14th last year with the same personnel. Ladies and gentlemen, the Eddie Jordan effect!).
Regardless, we know these guys. So I'll jump off our discussion with this question: would you trade rosters with the 76ers in the long term?
Both teams have an overpaid star that's clogging their cap for a while (Gilbert Arenas, Brand). Both teams have an overpaid second banana with a long-term contract that has one fundamental flaw (Jamison and Iguodala, though Iggy is younger and better on defense). Philly has more young guys, but they also have fewer expiring contracts, meaning it's going to be harder to clear salary. I'm very conflicted. Here's the salary situation for the Wizards, here's the salary situation for the 76ers. Which position would you rather be in? We're talking bad or worse here, but it's still a fun discussion topic.
(Note: I'm going out of town tomorrow, so I won't be at tonight's game. I'll be at the OKC game on the 29th. Kyle will have first-hand reporting tonight, I'm sure).
GO WIZARDS!
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28th in pace is shocking
A team with that many young guys and no real point guard really needs to push the ball up the court and finish in transition if it wants to win games.
Thaddeus Young would probably agree with you
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 22, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Considering the record they have
It’s not out of the question to think he feels that way deep down inside.
Wow, what an awful set
Two guys stand in the same place, both Butler and Jamison don’t hold their screens, uch.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Jamison got lucky
He has to know Young only turns to his left to shoot.
Gilbert definitely has it going tonight though.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
God what a terrible shot
What are you doing dude?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
You sound surprised
About Caron pump faking and THEN taking the shot. This is something we all should be used to be now.
Looked like Gil waived off Flip's call to go to a Caron isolation
Trying to get Caron involved.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Did Antawn just go lefty?
I never see him do that.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Nice extra pass by Antawn
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As usual, the cure to any offenses' woes is playing Eddie Jordan's team
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
That's why the Wizards' offense was so good when he was here
They got to play against it every day in practice.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 22, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Wizards playing some good defense...
Lots of Philly possessions deep into the Shot Clock
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I could accept that
IF they were getting good, open shots at the end of the clock…. but they’re not..
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With each shot Gilbert makes...
The chances of him making a snippy comment about Eddie Jordan after the game go up.
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Nice start by Randy Foye
5 points (2-4 shooting) 2 steals and an assist
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Gilbert
is really hot tonight. :)
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A vintage Hibachi performance so far
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 22, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Lou Williams is a tough cover for Young
Williams is lightning quick….
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HUGE SURPRISE STAT---
Philly – an Eddie Jordan coached team, gives up more 3-point shots than any other team in the League?
Wow – who would have thought?
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He's just been an awful hire
by the 76ers. It’s obvious he needs certain pieces because he is not able to adjust or even put their 5 best players in the starting lineup.
6 point lead when he comes in
Lets pray I’m wrong this time
by SkinsWizStangs on Dec 22, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I stand corrected
It was an 8 point lead when he left.
by SkinsWizStangs on Dec 22, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Uh oh
Nick Young on Jason Kapono…..
Pay ATTENTION Nick !!!
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did buckhantz just say
haywood workman is a referee now?
how many people remember haywood workman?
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 22, 2009 7:46 PM EST reply actions
Truth wrote a good profile on him a couple of years ago
Here.
Ironically, I think he reffed a Pacers-Wizards game last year.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 22, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not worried
Eddie will sit him soon and barely play him in the 2nd half.
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IDK...looked pretty clean
he just fell hard.
by SkinsWizStangs on Dec 22, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
If you're talking about the Blatche play
it looked like they had all ball……as Blatche went up..
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yeah
I think it was his reaction that made it seem like a foul, but it was clean.
by pantslessyoda1 on Dec 22, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Bad TO there
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normally that'd be a bad thing
but i doubt Kapono will take advantage of his size and strength advantages.
by pantslessyoda1 on Dec 22, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
He should be able to swing down there from time to time. That said, the idea of him guarding Carmelo Anthony terrifies me.
by pantslessyoda1 on Dec 22, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
Pacers up 21 to 8 on Celtics
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No KG for the Celtics tonight
But still, that’s not good for Beantown.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 22, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
hope he can keep it up.
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He was open for 3
but passed it up for a 5-foot shorter contested 2
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Gil doesn't have any assists tonight
I love his scoring, but I’d like to see him back off a bit and set up Jamison, Butler, Foye, or even Haywood for a quick dunk or layup.
Randy Foye just tried to go Tough Juice on the Sixers
It didn’t work.
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Likewise
Thaddeus Young just tried to go “Antawn Jamison: Three point shooting big man.” It also didn’t work.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 22, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting fact about Kapono's year
He’s played almost 400 minutes, but has only taken 9 free throw attempts, and he’s shooting 44% from the stripe.
Whoa whoa whoa
If you’re going to talk about free throw shooting, you have to somehow integrate Dave Hopla into the discussions. That’s the rule. I’ll let you off with a warning this time, but I won’t be so forgiving next time around.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 22, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Halftime discussion
In case you didn’t hear, Eric Maynor was traded along with Matt Harpring to Oklahoma City in return for the rights to Peter Fehse. On paper, this is a horrible move for the Jazz, but it saves Utah $14 million by shedding their salaries.
Don’t be shocked to see more moves like this as we get closer to the trade deadline. Lots of teams are going to be desperate to clear cap space to maintain profitability and open cap room for the class of 2010. Trades like the one we saw today give me hope that we can get something decent for Mike James.
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I'm just disappointed they had to waive Livingston
I was really rooting for the guy, and he seemed like he had something to contribute. Hopefully someone picks him up. Actually, I think that, as a pure point guard who doesn’t force things, he’d be a better fit for us than Boykins, blasphemous as that may sound.
by pantslessyoda1 on Dec 22, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it was a shame to see him go
I’m guessing he’ll probably land in the D-League and get called up later this season.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 22, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
It’s crazy that he’s only 24, too. I know the numbers don’t back it up, but he looked quick in the few Thunder games I saw this year, and he seems to have the tools to be a decent player if he can just get into some kind of rhythm. He’s basically been off as long as Gil and is coming back from a worse injury, and we saw how many minutes it took him to get back to his old self.
by pantslessyoda1 on Dec 22, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, he seems like he'd be a good fit for the 76ers, come to think of it
He’s young, long, and a pure point guard. He’s basically everything they need right now.
by pantslessyoda1 on Dec 22, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
He's basically a walking, talking, expiring contract
A solid role player in his day, but he’s not going to be anything else at this point in his career because of his cartilage issues.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 22, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Harpring had conceded
that his year and probably career were over.
OKC basically paid $8 million to get Eric Maynor
Really? I guess it’s only one year, but was that totally necessary?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Not so fast, my friend
Additionally, some subtle aspects of this deal make it particularly juicy for the Thunder. Harpring makes $6.5 million this year, but Oklahoma City is on the hook for only $1.78 million while insurance will cover the rest. And since Harpring has an expiring contract, the deal won’t cut into their projected $10 million-plus in cap space next summer. Finally, the Thunder can trade Harpring again if they so choose, either alone or as part of a package: Teams under the cap aren’t bound by the league’s two-month rule on re-packaging acquired players.
So really, they paid just over $3 million for Eric Maynor, which I think is a huge steal. Granted, I didn’t know that when I first posted that comment, but I think I lucked out in this debate.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 23, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, I know Boykins just scored
But that play is everything I don’t like about him. Aside from the one second or so Blatche had the ball, that possession was 21 seconds of Boykins.
We basically took last year's team
Swapped out Mike James for Earl Boykins and Oberto for Songaila.
AND IT’S WORKING.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 22, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
And Andray for Antawn if you're keeping score at home.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 22, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Those two points are gonna come back to haunt us
How obvious can it get?
by SkinsWizStangs on Dec 22, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Great fake by Boykins
When you’re his height, you have to know how to take advantage of how defenders are going to want to block your shot.
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Uh oh
Not the most encouraging tweet from Kyle:
A couple people are starting to notice how Antawn Jamison hasn’t really been involved during the last two Wizards’ timeout huddles.
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I've always thought
with obviously very little evidence that if we ever tried to phase AJ out of the starting line-up we would see a diff. side of him.
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 22, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
trade the jamison contract already
before it is too late…you see pieces starting to move today with utah
There have been scam comments, but never during a game thread.
If you refresh the page it will be gone.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 22, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
What were the ads?
Send me an e-mail and let me know. I’m pretty sure they’re by design, but I can check.
If you have a screenshot that’s best.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
It was a spam commenter
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 23, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
In a tie game
That was the best offensive possession we could come up with?
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That drive by Gilbert was more like it.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 22, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Has it become official that "he's back"?
He’s been great the last few games, and he finally seems to have gotten back to being the old Gil who got all of his points off of threes and free throws.
by pantslessyoda1 on Dec 22, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Physically? Absolutely
Mentally? He still a few things that need to improve, but he’s definitely closer.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 22, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
I agree about Blatche at least
Haywood’s a great defender, but there’s really no one on the 76ers for him to guard, since Speights basically plays like a small forward. I guess they could put him on Brand.
by pantslessyoda1 on Dec 22, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
What a shot by Gilbert
Way harder than it looks to hit that leaner while spinning.
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Looking forward to seeing Antawn's postgame comments tonight
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 22, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
His offense is pretty nice, though. That said, I think that Dray's length on defense makes up for the downgrade to the offense.
by pantslessyoda1 on Dec 22, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
True
Or just limit his touches a bit.
by pantslessyoda1 on Dec 22, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
The hell with wins
The Big 3 need their shots!!
crowd is into it
butler heart and soul
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 22, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions
good matchup for boykins tonight
he’s playing well
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 22, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions
I believe the word I'm looking for there is "snookered"
As in, Earl Boykins just /snookered/ Lou Williams.
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Wait a second
What was up with that kid in Duke jersey in the front row? Someone send him up to the nosebleed seats.
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Where's the ESPN Insider contest when you need it?
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I think you can only do replays on issues regarding the shot clock/game clock
But don’t quote me on it.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 22, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
no there is a new rule they can replay out of bounds
just not sure when and how
Ahh gotcha
Come to think of it, I think I remember hearing about that, but like you I have no idea on the whens and hows.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 22, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
yea thats what i thought
but not sure either
by SkinsWizStangs on Dec 22, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
here it is
To determine during the last two minutes of regulation play and the last two minutes of any overtime period which player last touched the ball prior to it going out-of-bounds or whether the ball was last touched simultaneously by two opponents.
It's crazy that these are his first free throws
It seems like he’s spent the entire game in the paint. In fact, I think his shot chart and stat line are typical Jamison tonight.
That's what I'm thinking
They would have had plenty of time to get off a three before Washington could think about forcing Philly to the line for two FTs.
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 22, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
One referee thought Blatche was in the restricted area
They will check the replay
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No I was talking about philly fouling caron
when they were only down 3 with 35 seconds left
by SkinsWizStangs on Dec 22, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
A double foul???
??
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Damn, Gil.
Channeling Taser there. It’s nice seeing him make so many plays on defense and on the boards.
If the Wizards could keep this up
We might look at that massive substitution at the beginning of the third as the turning point of the season.
New thread guys
Sorry for lack of participation – I had friends over. I was watching, just couldn’t comment.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
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