Wizards win in Toronto: Final wrap and an encouraging night for Gilbert Arenas
Gilbert Arenas has had better nights in his career against far better defenses. He's had many times where he's needed a good performance because his confidence was waning a bit. He'll undoubtedly have better performances this season.
But as we all know, Gilbert needed this game badly. The numbers don't really jump out at you (22 points on 17 shots, with just five free throws), but the impact and the timing was key. Gilbert was able to set his teammates up well enough, and he was able to get just enough points to put the game out of reach. He was under control (only one turnover), and while some of the shots he took were contested too much, he mostly attacked when he needed to and laid back when he didn't.
Essentially, for one night, he timed his "takeover" moments perfectly. When Toronto was playing well early in the fourth quarter, Gilbert knew he needed to score and did just that with eight points in the first 4:35 of the quarter. Eventually, Toronto paid more attention to him, and Arenas laid back, using the attention paid to him to set up Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler for scores down the stretch. That's the sign of someone really putting his stamp on the game.
For all this talk about Gilbert returning to being the "aggressive Gil," this was a very Chauncey Billups-like performance from him. He didn't waste any many possessions with turnovers. He scored when he had to, drove when he should have and pulled up to shoot jumpers when he knew his team needed a hoop. When he was pressured more heavily, he found his teammates for scores.
Really, the guy who should be smiling along with Arenas is Flip Saunders. Yes, Toronto is awful defensively, but if Saunders really was trying to get Gilbert to be more like Chauncey, last night was a great success. That it was marketed as a "return to the old Gilbert" is all the better for Gilbert's psyche. If Gilbert wants to think this performance was a return to the Hibachi days, let him think that. Flip knows it was much different than that.
Four Factors (Bold=very good | Italics=very bad)
| Team | Pace | Off Eff | eFG% | FT/FG | OREB% | TOr |
| Washington | 96 | 110.4 |
51.2 | 23.8 | 22.9 |
10.4 |
| Toronto |
106.3 |
47.6 |
26.2 | 28.9 |
16.7 |
Snap Reaction: Now that's a low turnover rate. Flip Saunders is probably beaming about that.
Lineup Details, via Popcorn Machine
- Highest individual plus/minus: Brendan Haywood (+17 in 35:24)
- Lowest individual plus/minus: Andray Blatche (-18 in 10:48)
- Best five-man unit: Earl Boykins/Gilbert Arenas/Dominic McGuire/Antawn Jamison/Brendan Haywood (+8 for a stretch in the fourth quarter)
- Worst five-man unit: Earl Boykins/Nick Young/Caron Butler/Andray Blatche/JaVale McGee (-8 for a very short stretch at the end of the third)
Snap Reaction: McGuire played meaningful minutes tonight and posted a sparking +14 in just under 10 minutes. Meanwhile, Caron Butler, despite scoring 19 points on 12 shots, was a -10. Again, Dominic should play more.
Other quick thoughts, because there's a game tonight as well:
- Brendan Haywood's post defense on Chris Bosh - I mean, wow. Bosh had 22 points, but most of those came in the second quarter, when Andray Blatche and JaVale McGee flailed away at him. If there was any doubt that Haywood's post defense is seriously awesome, last night's game should have eliminated it.
- That said, I do as a fan love Bosh's renewed aggression inside. However, it begs the question - why don't more teams cover him with their center? Bosh has been beasting on power forward all year, and as long as he's going to try to score inside rather than outside, why not put your strongest guy on him? Andrea Bargnani's floating at the three-point line anyway.
- Caron Butler scored well, but I thought he wasn't doing anything different from what he's doing all season The shots just went in, and they won't do that every game. He did hold Hedo Turkoglu down on defense, though I think that's mostly Hedo's own doing rather than anything Butler did. Hedo just looks like such a misfit on that team.
- This was a Big 3 win. They played the most minutes because the bench guys, other than Boykins, provided very little. If the Wizards are going to win tonight, they need more out of Andray Blatche, JaVale McGee and Randy Foye.
- Credit Flip Saunders for making offense-defense substitutions down the stretch. His faith in Andray Blatche to hit free throws paid off tremendously.
- Down the stretch, I thought the Wizards did a nice job of taking Toronto off the three-point line. For the game, Toronto shot 38 percent from downtown, but in the fourth quarter, Jarrett Jack was the only guy to hit a three (I don't count Hedo's last-second garbage time one). Most significantly, Andrea Bargnani didn't even attempt one! I know Toronto shot 3-6 from three in the fourth quarter, but I can live with Jarrett Jack shooting out there. The key is preventing the guys who are the real snipers on the team -- the Calderons, Turkoglus, Bargnanis and Belinellis -- from even taking those shots. The Wizards didn't do that well most of the game, but did much better down the stretch.
- Here's an open question: when Mike Miller comes back, where do you slot him? I think Nick Young is developing nice chemistry with the starting unit, so it would seem bringing Miller off the bench makes sense. But if Arenas needs another ball-handler out there in the fourth quarter, what do you do with Miller? Do you sit him? Do you sit Butler? I'd think you'd have to choose one or the other, and I'd have a hard time saying Miller's the one to sit.
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nice recap
I think the wizards played well enough to win, but I was scared at the end that they would find a way to let this one get away. hopefully its a new trend of winning close games. The Bucks and Jennings with an off day and the Wiz on the back end of the back to back, I am hoping they come to play tonight. (Can’t lie and say I’m not excited to see the likely ROY though.)
Who sits?
I think Flip has shown that he’s willing to sit anyone on the team if he thinks it will help the team’s performance. I consider this a good thing. Gilbert has said all of the right things following those games where he has sat for most or all of the 4th quarter. Here’s hoping that all of the other players handle it as well.
Not Caron
While I agree with this, I also think that Flip has shown preference to the veterans early on in starting Oberto over Blatche and giving minutes to Stevenson over McGuire. Basically saying that it’s their job to lose. I think he is taking the same approach with Caron. You can’t just bench a former all-star, he has to play his way out of it. And for as out of sync as he has been, he’s not at that point yet. Caron playing well in this system will always be a better choice than anyone else on this roster at the top of their game. And if Flip goes with a big starting lineup of Haywood, Blatche and Jamison plus say Young and Arenas, then what bigs come off the bench? McGee is still too raw. And Blatche, as good as he has been, is not at the point where he is consistent enough to be a full time starter. So the way I see it, the only option the Wiz has right now is to be patient and keep making adjustments until they get this thing working. Because if it doesn’t work with Caron as a starter, it throws everything else out of whack with players expected to fill roles that they are not ready for.
Except for that authoritative baseline drive and slam towards games end...
Caron was not a positive factor against the Raptors… and since the man he was guarding primarily, Hedo, is also experiencing problems integrating his game with that of his teammates, you really have to expect more from Caron in that situation.
Go back and look at the tape… Butler is just not moving the ball well and Flip’s offense flails when there is ball stoppage.
I have said before that he is probably suffering from acute sugar withdrawal after giving up the ole Mountain Dew!
At this point, if we had a healthy Mike Miller, I don’t think there’s any question that Caron should sit more in Q4… But we don’t, so we have to hope the CB we know and love will show up soon!
hat said, I do as a fan love Bosh’s renewed aggression inside. However, it begs the question – why don’t more teams cover him with their center? Bosh has been beasting on power forward all year, and as long as he’s going to try to score inside rather than outside, why not put your strongest guy on him? Andrea Bargnani’s floating at the three-point line anyway.
Perhaps after watching what Haywood did to Bosh last night, Coaches around the League will get the hint…
If the Wizards are going to win tonight, they need more out of Andray Blatche, JaVale McGee and Randy Foye.
I’m still not convinced that Foye fits with this team… but you’re right. The Wizards need others to step up tonight to help out both on Offense and Defense…. Listening Nick?
Here’s an open question: when Mike Miller comes back, where do you slot him? I think Nick Young is developing nice chemistry with the starting unit, so it would seem bringing Miller off the bench makes sense. But if Arenas needs another ball-handler out there in the fourth quarter, what do you do with Miller? Do you sit him? Do you sit Butler? I’d think you’d have to choose one or the other, and I’d have a hard time saying Miller’s the one to sit.
Nick won’t be playing much in the fourth quarter of games until he can really be trusted to be that lock-down defender type. I don’t see the problem bringing in Miller in the 4th. He’s an adequate ball handler, excellent passer; he can run the Offense as a Point-Forward type – and he can rebound (It’s really important when you get a stop in the 4th quarter that you secure the rebound). Boykins is another option, especially down the stretch (less than 5 minutes to go)…
I think you’ll see Flip using different combinations of Foye, Miller, Boykins and Young – until 5-6 minutes are left in the game. If it’s still close; I’d think he’d go with Boykins.
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
so we're cutting caron out of the big 3 then?
should we start calling it the big 2?
i’m in favor of benching caron to send him a message, but let’s not take this too far.
especially last night, i was almost unhappy when caron came back in the game in the 4th quarter since we were doing so well without him. there was one stretch earlier where it looked like they were trying to get the ball to caron in the post, but he wasn’t making that much of an effort to hold his guy off or get to the right spot, so boykins had to break the play, for like 3 possessions straight… simply maddening.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 2, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions
Any update on when bwoodsxyz is coming back?
I’d love to see his stats, especially for Dominic. And Nick’s defense. And Gilbert’s. And Caron on both sides of the ball. And, well, I’d just love to see all the numbers.
Before you start benching Caron in the 4th
You trade him. Sitting a proud vet, in his prime, on a team that hes had a huge roll on (both on off the court) is not going to do anyone any good. It will be added drama, press conferences, locker room issues, and mess with chemistry. If you dont think a former all-star making $10M a year can play in the 4th quarter, ship him out. PLENTY of teams want caron, he’s probably the most desirable asset we have on own team.
Now if you are talking about for a game or two, fine. Send the message. But I just dont think your team benefits from benching Caron regularly during crunch time. Make the assessment that we are better without him and trade him. Or coach him up and keep him on the court.
I mostly agree
I’ve been thinking about different pieces we could get for Caron (and Randy Foye, as long as Earl has Flip’s trust). Caron and Foye add up to $13.5 million. We could use an upgrade on Boykins, a wing upgrade, preferably someone defensive-minded, and possibly one more big. Oh, and salary relief.
My best idea is something like Caron and Foye to Houston for Battier, Kyle Lowry and Brian Cook’s expiring contract.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
according to hollinger
that trade would be +10 wins for the Wiz and -11 for the rockets….I like the sound of that!! it would also leave houston with 0 front court depth.
sorry
I did that trade with Carl Landry instead of Kyle Lowry. Not as amazing a trade anymore. also, houston probably would not make the trade with Laundry
Butler for Battier, Kyle Lowry and Brian Cook changes the Wizards from a completely Offensive minded team to a more Defensive minded team.
Assuming you put Battier in the starting lineup (replacing Butler): That gives the Wizards two excellent defenders… one inside (Haywood) one outside (Battier)…. If Nick Young can continue to improve on defense, the Wizards could be an excellent defensive team; especially if Blatche eventually replaces Jamison in the starting rotation.
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
very true
we would be a legit defensive team, but still have plenty of “scorers” (gil, jamison, miller, NY). Plus Battier is a better 3 point shooter than caron. If we had Gil, Miller, Battier and Jamison on the court that is a lot of shooters. The more I think about it, the more I think Battier is a great fit for our team.
miller, battier, and gasol
didn’t get it done in memphis. not that excited to reunite miller and battier on our squad.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 2, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
But
They didn’t have Jamison and Gilbert Arenas on that team… Lorenzen Wright was their starting PF, and Damon Stoudemire was their PG….. PLUS, the Wizard’s bench, with Blatche, Young (assuming Miller starts), McGee, Oberto, etc … is much better than the Memphis bench was (Bobby Jackson, Chucky Atkins, Jake Tsakalidis, Hakim Warrick, etc…)
Plus, the “throw in” in that deal, Kyle Lowry would give the Wizards a dependable backup Point Guard. Lowry is a quick, push the ball up the court type of PG – but he’s also a very, very good defender. He’s not as big as JaVaris Crittenton, but he’s more dependable (fewer turn overs), has a higher assist rate, and is a more consistent defender.
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
or do you mean
they didn’t have haywood and GA on that team? gasol is arguably better than jamison…
that memphis team was much deeper than ours. they had bonzi wells, james posey, jason williams, earl watson, bo outlaw. battier didn’t start.
GA is a wildcard in the equation, but heck he’s a wildcard for us right now. i fail to see how reshuffling the deck chairs around gilbert helps us when gilbert isn’t dominating right now.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 2, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
The wizards will never be a defensive team
as long as Gil and Jamison are starting. Defense has to be played as a team. If one individual doesn’t put in the proper effort then everybody else’s effort will be for naught. Old habits die hard ( Butlers headfake ) he is slowly coming around
I disagree
A team can have one or two poor individual defenders, and still be a very good defensive squad. It’s been proven over and over again.
Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis are both poor individual defenders – yet Orlando had one of the best Defensive teams last year.
Zydrunas Ilgauskas is a very poor defender. He moves like his feet are stuck in molasses and he cannot defend the pick-and-roll (the bread and butter of every NBA team’s Offense)… Mo Williams played ’ole defense in Milwaukee before coming to Cleveland – yet, last year, Cleveland was one of the best defensive clubs in the League.
There are many other examples…. The thing they all have in common is that those teams have at least 2-3 really good defenders in the starting line up … a good defensive system… and a willingness by ALL the players to play hard on defense.
Right now – the Wizards have only 1 really good defender in the starting line up (not including Nick Young’s 2 1/2 games of good defense)…. You change out some of those bad defenders with good ones – and it changes the entire complexion of the team.
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
those teams' best players
are stud defenders that bring it on the defensive end. gil and aj would be our stars. they will never champion a great defensive team. never.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 2, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
I have to agree with the above
Gil puts out zero effort on the defensive end. Antawn is not so much effort as he is undersized and like lewis/Hedo is slow. Then again Lewis has the the best defensive center in the NBA backing him up.
i think this convo is nuts
young strings together a couple good games and we’re talking about benching caron or mike miller in favor of nick? or dumping caron entirely? nuts.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 2, 2009 5:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
No
It’s not benching one of them for Nick, it’s benching one of them in the fourth quarter for Boykins so Arenas can stay off the ball.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
okay.
so just a couple weeks ago we were completely unexcited about signing earl the squirm, now we want him closing games for us down the road?
he was great tonight…
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 2, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Put it this way
I don’t know if this is a formula that works long-term. But it’s at least worth thinking about whether it is. Maybe it’s just been two games, but maybe there’s an actual solution here.
Obviously, you’d wish there was someone better than Boykins to keep Arenas off the ball, but Boykins is the only guy on this team right now capable of playing with Gilbert. Foye hasn’t gotten it done. Obviously, I’d prefer someone like Kyle Lowry or any other number of short, quick guards in the league to Earl (I don’t know if Earl can sustain this), but Earl’s what we have and Earl’s worked at least for two games.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
okay i agree to an extent
if gilbert works better off the ball, then it might make sense to make a huge upgrade at PG and get a defensive wing player, possibly by moving caron. that’s the michael wilbon argument (who i think is usually wrong)
but, since gilbert is a lousy matchup defending several 2 guards, i’d argue it might be more important to have the flexibility to play different lineups depending on the opponent. which we have now to a certain degree, so that’s good. (i still don’t think it’s a good idea to remove caron from the “closers” for several reasons, one of which is we’d be wasting his value)
the most important thing is that gil rounds back into form, as we want him back to where he is the guy no one can stay in front of or stop.
whether gil can be a PG in flip’s offense still seems up for debate – although lately signs have been promising – but if the team decides he’s better off as a scorer “off the ball”, i’d think it’d make more sense to keep gil at the 1 and get a SF who can facilitate, like a pippen or grant hill. of course, flip would have to change up his offensive approach, but that’s my two cents.
with the way gil has been playing lately, this will likely all be moot once he gets some of his explosiveness back.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 3, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions

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