Washington Wizards vs. Sacramento Kings: Regular Season Game 23 Open Thread
by Mike Prada on Dec 16, 2009 1:19 PM EST
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PrintWashington Wizards at Sacramento Kings, Dec 16, 2009 10:30 PM EST
The Essentials:
Wizards (7-15) vs. Kings (10-13)
10:30 p.m.
ARCO Arena
TV: ESPN
Radio: 106.7 The Fan
Notable Kings numbers this season
15th in expected winning percentage (.483)
8th in pace (94.5 possessions per game)
T7th in offensive efficiency/offensive rating (110)
26th in defensive efficiency/defensive rating (110.5)
Pre-game links
Sactown Royalty, SB Nation's Kings Blog
Cowbell Kingdom
Kings: $1 beer night giveaway means there are very few seats left
Gameday Sacramento
| Tonight's Projected Starters | ||
|---|---|---|
| Wizards | vs. | Kings |
| Gilbert Arenas |
PG | Tyreke Evans |
| DeShawn Stevenson |
SG | Donte Greene |
| Caron Butler |
SF | Andres Nocioni |
| Antawn Jamison |
PF | Jason Thompson |
| Brendan Haywood |
C | |
Getting this one up kind of early, so apologies for stuff not being filled in.
This game is on ESPN now, and that's probably because of the Kings, not the Wizards. Sacramento's been one of the league's surprise teams this season, and I think there are two major reasons for that. First is Tyreke Evans, who has been all that and then some. Coach Paul Westphal has been giving him the ball, and Evans has responded. Portland coach Nate McMillan compared him to Magic Johnson after last night's game. Magic Johnson! I have no clue who exactly will stop Evans tonight.
The other reasons, I think, is Westphal himself. The Kings have had a ton of young players, but Westphal has given them a lot of rope and they've responded. He wasn't afraid to start Donte Greene and give Omri Casspi a lot of Andres Nocioni's minutes. He isn't afraid to give Jason Thompson a lot of rope even though he still struggles with fouls a lot. Most importantly, he's put the ball in Evans hands and thrown him right into the fire. It's worked pretty damn well so far considering the lack of top-flight talent on this team (worth noting: the Kings' best player, Kevin Martin, is injured, and they're still doing this well).
Every time I watch the Kings, I'm smitten by them. They play so hard and get the most out of their talent. They lose on the road (1-10), but they're always competitive. They're lights-out at home (9-3) and have blown out some teams there too. This will not be an easy game at all.
It's also worth noting that tonight is $1 beer night at ARCO Arena, which is probably going to make the crowd way rowdier than ever. Should be interesting at least.
All in all, with the Wizards playing like they have, tonight is a tall order. (Who the heck though we'd say that for a road game against the freakin' Kings!?). I just hope we don't get blown out. Lowered expectations means less disappointment.
GO WIZARDS!
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Mike Miller
Any word on when he’ll be back? Was supposed to be during this West Coast trip and boy could the Wizards use him.
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Sac is no better than Celts, Heat, or Mavs. We can get a win. Ratio of wins to losses, says we win.
Win situation:
1st. Starters get involved together and share minutes with subs. Meaning instead of having all starters out during periods balance them in between. Make sure Arenas is confidence, having fun, assertive, and not just assisting but scoring.
2nd. Unselfish play, if you dont have a shot PASS. Dont settle for jumpers. Watch great teams it looks like the ball is circling around the court to set a world record for passes. They are not trying to do that its because ball movement usually leads to an efficient shot and throws off defensive strategies.
3rd. LESS Boykins, alot less DM, Deshawn and MORE Young, McGee ALOT of Blatche and SOME Foye
Watch Boykins you will see as his time + the scoreboard on the Wizards side will -. It has been a consistent trend people have let go unoticed.
4th. Good defense.
5th. Mental toughness
6th. Bring Mike Ruffin back and have him throw the ball in the air at the end and then catch in air to do a reverse slam while holding up a picture of Lebron James crying after every single call in last nights game against the Nets.
P.S. Blatche desperatly needs time, the guy is like a beast in a cage right now. Not a good look.
Lets go Wiz! Please get a win I feel bad for Jamison guy works so hard he deserves some gratification and so do the fans.
Oh and by the way I am making a video mix if someone wants to post it of the Mavs win plays and some from the Heat with some nice real hip hop in the background.
If Stevenson's past success was based on Arenas' play..
…and Arenas is currently in a “slump,” what since does it make to give Stevenson significant minutes (let alone start the guy)?
Why is Gilbert on Tyreke???
Why play DeShawn if you won’t put him on their best guy?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Maybe because they’re playing Omri Casspi at 6’9" at SG and 6’10" Donte Greene at SF
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I'll take my chances with Gil on Greene
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
ha
When I saw him giving never dribble Eddie House a 6 foot cushion I started to think he should guard people who don’t drive well.
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 16, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Wow – Tyreke Evans looks HUGE out there as a PG…. I know h’s 6’5" or 6’6" – but he looks like a Linebacker
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I can actually see him stayig in front of guys like Parker and Paul
and smothering them with his size and wingspan.
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 16, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think he will
probably just way after everyone drinks themselves to death. I’m starting to think all that shooting before his legs fully healed taught Gilbert some bad(no knee bending) habits.
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 16, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Gil looks physically off
Or just not back in rhythm.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
He certainly looks like he’s playing “below the rim”
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I really hate the way Caron plays
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
by hibachi on Dec 16, 2009 10:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Sad that Haywood pushed the ball....
but no Wizard crossed the Half court line for like 2-3 seconds…..
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This is bad basketball
Gilbert shoots a three, everyone stands around, nobody gets back, they get a layup.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Not willing to run on Offense
Not willing to run back on Defense….
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I'd like to thank
Caron for already taking multiple jab step bricks and not hustling for rebounds.
I really liked Tyreke Evans
back when I was doing Draft prospect reports…
http://www.bulletsforever.com/2009/5/26/888590/draft-prospect-tyreke-evans
Not for the Wizards – because I thought he was too much like Arenas (shoot first PG)…
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Jon Brockman
He’s a BEAST on the boards…. watch this guy…
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Mark Jackson is right
These guys don’t trust each other.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
yay!
they got it close again just so they can go on a 21 to 3 run and blow a 17 point lead!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
Agree about Jackson/Trust
But what’s to trust? Every Evans makes a shot Gilbert runs down and does something crazy like he’s trying to prove a point.
Nocioni has no idea how to guard him.
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Nocioni
Tried to make an Antawn shot and failed
JVG wins again calling out Antawn
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
He's absolutely correct though
this is why we are not a good team.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
JVG calling Jammison out for lazily getting back
and rightfully so. That was terrible.
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Yup
Wish Flip says something too.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Maybe he has
weren’t there mumblings about the players not respecting Flip and tuning him out after his tenure in Detroit?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
Do you really think that's already happened here?
I also wonder if he was late getting back because he was arguing a call. It wouldn’t be the first time for him.
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by Jon L on Dec 16, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What Postive things have we seen from Flips tenure so far
If they are listening to him then he is a pretty crappy coach
Didn't Jamison basically advise Arenas to tune Flip out?
by morethesamewiz on Dec 16, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Let's be fair here....
I just looked at the replay – Jamison was pushed… he fell down… and then slipped trying to get back up…
Once he got up, he ran hard to get back into the play…
I think if you look at that play again, you’ll see that it’s unfair to say Jamison was “dogging” it ….
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Lookin good.
Not crazy about this frantic Boykins play. Good pass to Young. Were lookin sharp. Everyone looks good except Caron lookin very passive.
Jamison is a beast point blank period.
by Unxpekted on Dec 16, 2009 11:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Nice transition D guys
Unacceptable.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Yuck
I’m pretty sure Boykins pulled a Gilbert and tried to get the call rather than trying to make the layup. Didn’t work for him, either.
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JVG is deep.
love how he corrected the “lack of defense” thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
Remember ne talking about when Boykins is getting + time the score on Wizards side goes – heres the proof and I have seen it in all our losses. I can’t figure out why he doesn’t seem terrible. Maybe the other subs have no chemistry with him.
by Unxpekted on Dec 16, 2009 11:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Defense plleaasse and no more Caron when can we trade him?
I love Arenas don’t care what anyone says . For me he’s our Kobe regardless of how good.
by Unxpekted on Dec 16, 2009 11:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's not
running on defense, not cutting on offense. He’s just standing around jacking shots like he’s at the Y. F this guy.
by ronoD nagrO on Dec 16, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
Remember when his role was 3rd offensive option and 18 ppg?
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 16, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Bad time to ask
But are the Wizards thinking of pulling the team apart?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I wish.
Then I could get excited about the possibility of drafting John Wall and watch as our #2 pick turns into a #5 in the lottery and we trade it for Mike Miller and Randy Foye
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
LOL
I really am not trying to add to your misery. This is going to be a shootout tonight. If you like offense, this game is for you.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I am.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
He is, yes
Pookey is one of Sactown Royalty’s regulars.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I write my own Kings blog too
But, yeah.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Can you tell me why losing the lottery works out for the Kings and not for the Wizards?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
No Hibachi I can't.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
You're a masochist?
Sorry to hear that Craig.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
You've got to like how your team
hustles. What are your thoughts on when Kmart comes back. Will they move him?
by ronoD nagrO on Dec 16, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Nope. Not a chance.
Because Speed Racer plays so well off the ball, that’s one of the things he does well. He’s also been really efficient as a 3rd option too. Really, he’s the type of star in this league that will do anything his coach asks to win. I think the stain of last-season really got to him. Besides, Tyreke Evans already is a franchise level player. There is no way Kevin will win that fight.
Also, I do like how they hustle. I like how they frustrate me too. How many times can you say that?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I like how they frustrate me too. How many times can you say that?
I don’t know are you married?
by ronoD nagrO on Dec 16, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Nope.
I’m think I’m glad about that, but I’m not sure at this point.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
I understand
I’m a Kings fan.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Double team him! He's right under the hoop!
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Not to pile on Butler
but he basically stood there and watch Evans back Arenas down all the way to the basket.
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I know, I was yelling at my TV
I’m seriously ready to move him for anything. I’ll take Speedy Claxton and Devean George straight up right now.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I'm angry, but I think moving him might lead to more addition by subtraction
He’s sacrificed nothing really this year, and it bugs me.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
but the question is why?
Everything I’ve read either here or elsewhere suggest that he is the consummate professional, he has to know that this in unacceptable
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
not being paid might have something to do with it Ledell
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 16, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
And Evans is way too big and strong
for Arenas to guard in the Post by himself… he needs help there.
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Butler is absolutely infuriating right now.
He should be ashamed of himself.
by ronoD nagrO on Dec 16, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'm feeling a Wizard win if we can minimize Boykins/Taser play.
by Unxpekted on Dec 16, 2009 11:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Oh and Carons very strange sudden change of play the guy refuses to pass contribute ball movement or assist. At this point i’d love to have Shane Battier over Caron.
by Unxpekted on Dec 16, 2009 11:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dare we say... Oscar Robertson?
Been watching some old youtube clips of the Big O, that’s who comes to mind when you watch Evans- nothing fancy, just goes where he needs to go, does what he needs to do.
by goober nackulum on Dec 16, 2009 11:33 PM EST reply actions
Bullet's Forever Award for Worst Month of December?
Nominees: Tiger Woods, Washington Wizards
by morethesamewiz on Dec 16, 2009 11:34 PM EST reply actions
JVG calling out the wiz for poor effort.
Actually it was about 5 minutes ago but it hasn’t gotten any better.
Meanwhile Jamison off to the locker room to look at the shoulder w/ 2 minutes in the half
by goober nackulum on Dec 16, 2009 11:35 PM EST reply actions
No Dsteve or Taser "brick" Mcguire
Awesome Twan could have had a 40 point game now he’s injured. Greeatttt, gotta love the Wizards injury.
Caron is aweful I could play better than him.
by Unxpekted on Dec 16, 2009 11:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Getting the pass and then just being too lazy to pass out and
instead taking a half hearted contested jumper is not an offensive play Butler.
Mike Do you have anything to do with the advertising part of SBN or the background stuff?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Nah
It’s just the background like you saw with the Sprint background. It seems to me iike my browser is slowing, but I’ve having been Firefox issue’s lately too.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
If the rumor about the Warriors is true
How about Butler for Andris Biedrins and Anthony Morrow?
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Problem is, Golden State isn't that stupid
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Doubt they go for that
Butler’s not worth that much.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
FA insurance, twin tower, etc
or more likely it leads to another trade
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 16, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
It would signal the end of Haywood probably
Trade him or just let him expire at the end of the year,
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
We can get some good pieces for Haywood as long as he resigns.
The hot stove possibilities are endless.
Better to trade him at the Trade Deadline
to a Playoff bound team like Houston or Dallas…. They both need a defensive minded Center.
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What do you feel we could get in that trade?
I feel like we could receive something pretty good. Houston has some quality pieces we could use.
I would carry Butler to Cali on my back
if they were willing to do that trade.
by ronoD nagrO on Dec 16, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Biedrins provides either a replacement for Haywood next season (if they really want to blow the team up), or at least a more reliable backup if they keep him (at an incredibly reasonable price). Morrow’s contract isn’t much, but it expires after this season.
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Plus Morrow is an
absolute sharpshooter.
by ronoD nagrO on Dec 16, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Dude is on my fantasy squad
He goes ice cold for games on in. Check his game log its either 30 or 5.
Morrow's really good, yeah
I’d trade Caron for Morrow straight up if I could, considering age, contract etc
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
If Nick's shot was as automatic as Morrow's can be...
Nick would trump Morrow completely, but as of now, I totally agree. Morrow would be fantastic.
morrow's great
came into the league strictly as a 3pt shooter but he’s been getting better and better and taking it to the hole
I don't know about better
He may be a better Offensive player… and probably is a slightly better rebounder… but Haywood is the better all around Defensive player.
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It's tough
I wonder how good Biedrins would be if he went to a half-court team.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
and I wonder how much better Haywood
would be on a better Defensive team (like Houston?)
Would he be All-Defensive first team?
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He could be worse
If only because he looks so great on this team because nobody else defends.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Same here
The only way I think it would work is if Nelson decides he realllllly has no use for Biedrins (which might actually happen, come to think of it).
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JVG saying Gil looks like he's got more of a burst than he has...
… just still trying to get in rhythm on the finish.
I agree with him- he looks a little quicker than in the Boston game (in which everyone else thought he was quicker than he had been recently)
Baby steps…
by goober nackulum on Dec 16, 2009 11:41 PM EST reply actions
Could it be more obvious to anyone other than Flip and the coaches
that Deshawn and Boykins don’t merit rotation minutes in the NBA. Boykins is a mini-Iverson in the way that when he is on the court nobody else on the team knows what to do
by morethesamewiz on Dec 16, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
what if you never got up on him in the first place
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 16, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
I don't hate on him that bad just think he's like slightly better than EJ
not great not horrible.
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 16, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
I think he's a good communicator and a good offensive coach
he just doesn’t have good pieces to work with and isn’t a guy who can make something out of nothing.
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 16, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
welcome
I’d offer you a drink but everything is luke warm
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 16, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
And Bitter
Flip can go can we at least be entertaining and lose. I am so done with the half court for this team
Caron Sucks
That is all. Put Taser in for Caron, keep Nick Young in for Stevenson, Blatche in for Jamison and lets ball. Oh, let’s get McGee some minutes. If they wanna run, we have the horses.
Here is a good trade for butler
Slam said butler has been talked about in trade talks with the warriors for anthony randolph
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2009/12/welcome-to-the-trade-block-anthony-Randolph has great potential, and will help us when we’re in the rebuilding stage, and it will also help by just being addition by subtraction. What do you guys think?
yeah Randolph is the real deal but all week they have been reporting he's on the block out here
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 16, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
I know I was surprised when i saw it also
But Nellie is crazy. and i don’t know about you guys, but if its true i would do it in a heartbeat
by FNFWizardsFan on Dec 16, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
Randolph's worth more than that
I think the trade that makes the most sense, honestly, is something like Morrow, Turiaf and Speedy Claxton’s expiring contract for Butler. Not sure why GS wants Butler, but who knows.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Stephen Jackson was worth more than Radmanovic and Raja Bell
by morethesamewiz on Dec 16, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but Jackson had a toxic contract and a crappy attitude
Randolph’s a 21-year old young forward. Those guys are so valuable in this league.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
But according to the link Nellie has problems with him
I have no idea why he would do it, but i wouldn’t put it past nellie.
by FNFWizardsFan on Dec 16, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Nellie isn't the GM
I think that’s all tough talk without much to back it up, to be honest. I’m not even sure I want Randolph anyway – Blatche is better.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Nelson and the front office are pretty close, though.
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yeah it only makes sense if we trade off Jamison later
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 16, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think that can happen if Grunfeld is given the green light.
I’m sure he can pull it off and get us some pieces.
Javale and Randolph
would be so much fun to watch, even if we lost 60 games a year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
Mike would definitely have to revise his most entertaining teams to watch list
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
Don't get my hopes up dude...
I’m still traumatized from that Butler + 5 for Amare non-trade
by goober nackulum on Dec 16, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Oh goody!
We might see another Boykins Stevenson McGuire (Blatche for Jamison) Haywood lineup
by morethesamewiz on Dec 16, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Good luck in the 2nd half yall.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
A maybe more reasonable suggestion
to amuse myself at halftime.
Butler + Taser to Philly for Kapono, Brezec and Jason Smith
Washington gets: a decent backup center plus a guy who can shoot off of Saunders’s screens all day long.
EJ gets: two players he likes and knows, plus someone to give Elton Brand’s minutes to for no reason.
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I should probably make a fanpost for these, or something
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That's the Pu Pu platter
compared to the Golden State options.
by ronoD nagrO on Dec 16, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Not enough value IMO
Kapono’s contract sucks.
If we do a trade with Philly, I’d try to get Iguodala.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
It also expires after this year.
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True
But he’s so much worse than Caron.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Also true.
I guess I find myself increasingly falling into the “maybe they should start over next year” camp.
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I would trade for Sessions, but I figure Minn wants more than an expiring back for him
Butler and Critt for Sessions, Corey Brewer/Ryan Gomes and Brian Cardinal
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Sessions would be very
interesting. Gomes can play as well. I would like that trade.
I'm not sure why they'd do that, but maybe they'd want a vet to teach the kids
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I'm so down on CB right now
it’s hard to believe we could get much of anything for him. I would love to hear some legit trade talk out there, so we know what we could get.
by ronoD nagrO on Dec 16, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Jones said he will return (on Twitter)
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I am
the Twitter for the site (shared with the other writers) is @RUBasketball
my own personal account, in which I talk about basketball and non-basketball alike, is @pineoaks (don’t ask)
and thanks.
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That worked so well last year...
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
last year and to a lesser extent this year I thought we would actually get better by playing the young guys
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 16, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
If SAC shot 70% in the 1st quarter
why is Stevenson playing so much?
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
We can't even blame it on EJ anymore.
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and they have
did you see that Depressedfan thing?
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It makes no sense.
Please come back Miller!!
by ronoD nagrO on Dec 17, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Me too
I really like them. Westphal’s doing a great job there.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
It's amazing when the whole team isn't
trying to get “theirs”.
by ronoD nagrO on Dec 17, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
See, this is what's so weird about this team
Now, they’re in a really good rhythm, sharing the ball, and I don’t know how long it will last.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
then Caron jacks one with a guy in his face and they don't get back
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
What I don't understand about the Wizard's defense on Tyreke Evans
They keep playing him tight…. He’s not a very good shooter from the outside…
Why don’t they play off him – take away the drive, and dare him to shoot…?
Don’t they have scouting reports?
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Gil was doing that earlier, but I haven't seen DeShawn play off anybody
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
All they have to do is look at that busted shooting stroke
to know he can’t be that consistent from outside, ohh well. I guess that didn’t make it on the Ipod
by ronoD nagrO on Dec 17, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
what’s better for Wiz games, espn or comcast..
"We don’t have any rearview mirrors in our car,"- John Harbaugh
by purpleonblack86 on Dec 17, 2009 12:15 AM EST reply actions
like both their announcing teams actually
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 17, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
yea the visual’s brighter but i can’t watch with out Buck and Phil’s bias..its grown on me
"We don’t have any rearview mirrors in our car,"- John Harbaugh
by purpleonblack86 on Dec 17, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Oh man
A terrific play by Arenas and Butler missed an open dunk. Oh man.
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I thought Butler was a set up shooter why is forcing it?
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by purpleonblack86 on Dec 17, 2009 12:26 AM EST reply actions
Clearly hit the Ron. I’m Palestinian duno how much of that Isreali player I can see.
Wizards go down in a Boykins flame!!
Boykins is leaving soon hopefully?
by Unxpekted on Dec 17, 2009 12:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Oh is this the same one that thought Turkoglu was jewish?
ha.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
Boykins is not our problem at the moment.
Bad decision-making is our problem. Bad defense is our problem.
i think it came before the losing
this is a team that is happy to be getting a paycheck
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
JVG just did Earl Boykins so dirty
“c’mon, he only has to move his arms like two inches”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
5 White guys at once
Sacramento had 5 white guys on the floor at the same time for an extended period near the of the 3rd quarter….and grew the lead.
You sound like someone who should have watched outside the lines today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
what does that
have to do with anything?
what is with this board?
Sacramento is the better TEAM. PERIOD.
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
why the f*ck is Gil not in?
Im so confused and pissed, why is this lineup in when we are gettin killed?
Wow great ball movement Boykins!!!!!
by Unxpekted on Dec 17, 2009 12:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions
you hear that Blatche?.., Mark Jackson just basically said that Oberto deserves your minutes
"We don’t have any rearview mirrors in our car,"- John Harbaugh
by purpleonblack86 on Dec 17, 2009 12:38 AM EST reply actions
That is ugly... Oberto three fouls in two minutes. Ugh.
Who gives that guy minutes when he does that?
Decision making comes from rule #1 PG setting up plays
Boykins is the problem no chemistry with him.
When 6 back to back games see negative scoring when Boykins is in the game it’s clear.
Hibachi please keep your comments to yourself.
by Unxpekted on Dec 17, 2009 12:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Dom McGuire
reads the scouting reports – dared Tyreke Evans to shoot a jumper… took away the drive…
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
What
You’re not going to stick around for the Wizards miraculous come-back – only to lose with .5 seconds left?
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
WAIN is tearing apart the officiating tonight. Def bad calls, refs love gift wrapping home games but not for us. Indiania wink wink
by Unxpekted on Dec 17, 2009 12:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I approve of his selfishness.
It seems as if he’s starting to say… I EFFING WANT THE BALL NOW. I want that in my star.
Starting to agree
Nice drive to the basket arenas
by DynaMix on Dec 17, 2009 12:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
does a brick shot
for an offensive rebound count as a pass?
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 17, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Wow
They gave a no-call to a rookie over Caron Butler. That’s how bad it’s gotten.
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wtf
losing to the kings is as unacceptable as losing to the clippers… is what I would have said if we had beaten LAC…
Caron is the worst possible player for Flip’s offense, throws everybody’s rhythm with his isos and contested jumpers, and can somebody on the wizards either A. Get Back or B. Grab a rebound.
I know people were asking for a trade in the beginning of the year, but I stood by Tough Juice, I’m starting to have doubts on him… mainly because
A. He is very predictable
Iso Moves:
- Standing Cross Over (Switching ball back and forth from left to right) then pull up J
- Through the legs a few times then pull up J
- Pump Fake then J, the problem is no one honors his pump fake because they know that is his first move.
And he is not an effective catch and shoot player (Neither is Nick Young for that matter, even though he supposedly worked on this part of his game over the summer)
Not only that he loves to drive into traffic so the opposing coaches throw some kind of mini zone at him whenever he does an Isolation, and usually it results in a offensive foul.
B. He blows more than half of his big time one hand dunks (I mean seriously…)
C. Defense please? But then again he is better than Gil
what's with the scoreboard?
They only counted one of the free throws that Areanas made (at 99). Did I miss something?
At least it was a corner 3
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What did I say about a come back?
But they couldn’t secure a defensive rebound….
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
what is flip thinking?
how many wide open looks and offensive rebounds can we give up?
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 17, 2009 1:02 AM EST reply actions
its not flip
its the players right now… i mean seriously 2 second chance rebounds???
Gilbert should have just tried to finish the game himself
again
that’s because they’re playing zone
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 17, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
true
but still they are closer to the basket on the first rebound which I believe the players just let go by them, the second one sailed over another persons head, and they played zone just to stop the drive from Evans, though I am just coming back to the game so this was the first play back I saw.
Oh good, Butler didn't miss that dunk
I’m only partially kidding.
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we're actually catching a lot of breaks here
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 17, 2009 1:04 AM EST reply actions
Go for the win?
What do you guys think? Go for a 3-pointer to win it?
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
Wow Arenas Lola amazing and we decide to give it to Jamison. I wanna see the Lakers give it to Odom at the end of a game when pigs fly to justify not givin it to Arenas. Def like Flip settin the starters for the end.
PLEASE GIVE TO ARENAS PLLLEEEAASEE
by Unxpekted on Dec 17, 2009 1:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions
yea might as well
"We don’t have any rearview mirrors in our car,"- John Harbaugh
by purpleonblack86 on Dec 17, 2009 1:05 AM EST reply actions
There you go
Big come-back….
Lose it on the last play of the game.
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it's a thin line
our bench is giving us NADA
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 17, 2009 1:09 AM EST reply actions
who's he gonna put in?
who is producing?
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 17, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
+/- agrees
+8 for Taser, -3 for Stevenson.
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not news..but Gil is not the same sigh
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by purpleonblack86 on Dec 17, 2009 1:10 AM EST reply actions
1. Need mire time on clock clearly more than eat they put even espn guy argued it
2. Not mad at Arenas shiznit happens he will learn
3. Let’s get a three ball
by Unxpekted on Dec 17, 2009 1:10 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Oh well sometimes rain is just as beautiful as sun when your standin on the darkside
by Unxpekted on Dec 17, 2009 1:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions
All I have to say is Wow.
While I’m not convinced the Kings are a 500 team yet, I’m thrilled they beat a team struggling at home.
Much props to the Wiz tonight.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
They play hard
If you like effort, not necessarily execution, but effort, they’ll give that to you.
Not that this matters, but yall are a great group of fans. BF never disappoints.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Just not that Nocioni guy haha.
His Bulls stint really soured me to him. Casspi on the other hand… baller. Evans… baller.
Understood on all counts.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
go back to run and gun with gil
give it a shot, throw something new in there flip, all your fancy shit is not working
gotta admit..pretty impressed with Tyreke Evans
"We don’t have any rearview mirrors in our car,"- John Harbaugh
by purpleonblack86 on Dec 17, 2009 1:15 AM EST reply actions
Sigh..
I didn’t mind that last play too much. Butler at least looked decisive…
by DynaMix on Dec 17, 2009 1:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions
That bad call on the 24 second shot clock.....
came back to haunt us. Refs CANNOT miss obvious calls like that, and that would’ve been an easy two points that make the end of the game a WHOLE lot different. That was an OBVIOUS blown call!!!
Yeah, as a Kings fan..
I can totally sympathize with blown calls.
Major props to you guys.
Nice to see you play hard, and nice to see Agent zero playing well again.
Great game tonight.
I’m really happy that Agent Zero started stepping up. Great to see Westphal really giving his young guys minutes and teaching them how to play. Evans is going to be great for you guys.
Man just so happy to see Arenas play so well. Lineus looked good. We will crush teams like this when Millers back. Plus bad officiating. We will have great wins guys be positive!
by Unxpekted on Dec 17, 2009 1:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Anybody see kobe's game winner?
Must be so nice to have a player you know you can give it to at the end of the game! I remember when we had that…
by DynaMix on Dec 17, 2009 1:21 AM EST via mobile reply actions
It'll take some time.
But Gil’s on the right track. Tonight proved he’s moving in the right direction even if he did give the ball up at the end. I’ll be patient. It’s just tough.
kings are so fun to watch
we played a fairly good game
it’s sad taht we can’t get calls against the kings though (as much as i love them)
I thought some of the calls the Wiz got were generous
But that’s me. (And my Kings colored glasses.)
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Actually I didn't see anything egregious on either side to be truthful
But that’s me.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Did you not see the ball hit the rim
on that 24 second violation. That’s one of the worst calls this year, narrowly beating out the “0.5 call” against Indiana.
by SkinsWizStangs on Dec 17, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
Did that really decide the game?
But, I thought it did hit the rim.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Wizards colored glasses...
Didn’t see anything too crazy either… just thought they missed a lot of initial calls and called them on the second time around…
Haywood’s put back for instance towards the end.
My stream was not working that well
So you could be right. I always settle for the players deciding the game, and I feel that happened. For better or worse (depending on your perspective)/.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Yeah. They weren't crazy as like the Indiana game for us (kill myself now)...
So I thought it evened out very nicely. Good game to watch. Refs didn’t take over and the game flowed alright for the most part. I’d watch it again and that’s saying something for me.
I would too
But I can’t.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
The officiating was HORRIBLE all the way around.
That 24 second clock missed call was inexcusable. The Evans “hold” at the end was Dunlevy-esque. There were a number of just generic bad calls on both sides throughout the night.
I’m not saying it caused the loss or not. But the officiating in the NBA just has to get better somehow. I believe it will (and has) hurt the game.
by MR on Dec 17, 2009 6:05 AM EST up reply actions
+/- for the team tonight...
Taser +8
Arenas +4
Butler +3
Haywood +1
Jamison -2
Stevenson -3
Foye -3
Young -4
Blatche -8
Boykins -11 Yikes.
Makes you wonder about how effective the +/- stat is eh?
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
no it's effective
your bench won the game
by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 17, 2009 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Very true. Especially with Hawes +9 and Rodriguez +12.
Taser was the only guy who produced and it was purely on defense guarding Evans. That’s probably why Evans had a lower +/-.
The Kings depths takes a lot of fanbases & opponents by surprise
I wonder how long that will continue.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Wasn't Udrih and Hawes starting last year?
There’s something to be said about pride and taking a beating both teams took last year. They sure didn’t take me by surprise. I guess our defenders decided to take a little bit of a break while they were in there.
Udrih started all last year
And Hawes started off & on until Brad Miller was traded and then started the remaining part of the year.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Single game-wise it's a little less reliable than a season-long adjusted +/-
But Evans also on the court when the Wizards came back from being 10 down or whatever they were.
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I know how the +/- stat works
I meant that sarcastically. But that’s a good explanation in reality.
No mistakes in the tango, darling. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Oh, hes in the laegue two and Jayson Thomson and that Boggins dude on Milwokee, and Occur for the Jizz. Its a talented laegue.--Kfan in Korea
Boykins
Its been like that for him, for the most part, since he’s been here. Particularly over this 6 game stretch. Flip keeps trying to make something work that isn’t. We need a backup PG!!
by SkinsWizStangs on Dec 17, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah duno wats up with the officiating this year. Seems like refs are giving away home games unless it’s us. Even ESPN kept sayin bad calls for wiz if we had the calls we maybe won. arenas def had his burst back!!!! And Jamison isn’t hurt!!!
by Unxpekted on Dec 17, 2009 1:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I told you!!!!!!! Kick Boykins off our team plz. I’m tellin u are losing problem is him
by Unxpekted on Dec 17, 2009 1:39 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Wizards tie an NBA record with this loss
Six consecutive losses by four points or fewer, according to ESPN. Whee.
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Not really. Boykins is hurting us. Period.
by Unxpekted on Dec 17, 2009 2:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This shouldn't have been the difference, but ...
That shot clock violation ripped my heart out as fan. I’ve been fairly collected during this 6 game melt down, but I was LIVID after that call. I really couldn’t believe it.
…. and I still can’t. Those three refs should be suspended for the rest of the season.
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