Chad Ford's chat today
Mark (DC): Do you think Leonsis will fire grunfeld if this season disaster contiunes he kept the caps gm after he bought them from polinChad Ford: I don't think this mess is all Ernie Grunfeld's fault. His owner knew his health was failing and he wanted to go for it. I think Ernie would've traded Antawn Jamison, maybe even Caron Butler, at the trade deadline last year, but his owner said no. I'm sure he'll have a plan for Leonsis and if Leonsis likes it, Grunfeld will stay around. However, I do expect major changes coming. From what I can gather, I think they'd move Gilbert Arenas if they could get something really good for him.
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I've said before
I think Abe had alot to do with this mess unfortunately. I can’t blame Abe for trying to go for it though.
No one can
But I suspect it also had alot to do with EG being delusional.
by Manimal Smith on Dec 15, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
EG is known for pulling the trigger on deals involving teams best players
so I don’t see him as being super gun-shy. From the outside it seemed EG has been acting out of character for him the last 2 season so i always wondered how much of Abe’s hand was in every move. Most especially signing Arenas and Jamison.
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 15, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Trade any and everybody to get the #1 pick and draft John Wall
Trade G-Wiz, Gheorge Muresan… everybody.
Coach Winters: Mississippi State's offensive set. 2nd & 2 on our own 24, what defensive set might we call?
Alvin Mack: Eagle Zipper Hero, unless the setback shifts into the I.
Coach Winters: Good..[clicks to next slide], third and seven?
Alvin Mack: Oakie Thunder Lion. {What's your assignment?}
Alvin Mack: Kill the quarterback. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Hit the tight end so hard his girlfriend dies. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Kill everybody.
Impossible to tell
Its impossible to tell how much of the past year’s decisions came from Abe. Ernie’s pretty tight lipped, so I don’t think he would ever talk about that on record. My own sense is that its possible that Abe played a role in keeping Jamison last year, but that the trade of the draft pick was all Ernie.
But thats just my own idle speculation. Wonder where Chad Ford was getting his info.
Ernie :)
Coach Winters: Mississippi State's offensive set. 2nd & 2 on our own 24, what defensive set might we call?
Alvin Mack: Eagle Zipper Hero, unless the setback shifts into the I.
Coach Winters: Good..[clicks to next slide], third and seven?
Alvin Mack: Oakie Thunder Lion. {What's your assignment?}
Alvin Mack: Kill the quarterback. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Hit the tight end so hard his girlfriend dies. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Kill everybody.
My guess would be that Jamison was Abe
And not trading Jamison at the deadline to Cleveland was Abe. Gilbert was probably close to a meeting of the minds (Abe wanted him at the max no matter what, while Ernie wanted to negotiate).
I think the trading of the pick was a meeting of the minds too, one of those issues where both agreed instantly.
I don’t buy that Ernie would want to rebuild though. Reload, maybe, but not a full-fledged rebuild.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
The jury is out about whether to "blow up" the team or win with what we have
There was a comment on the blog last night that I really agreed with where he identified some key substitution/personnel moves associated with big wins (e.g. Dallas). I think that team exists somewhere, but the coaching leadership has been confusing to players’ instincts. Boykins is an example of 1 step forward, 2 steps back. He dribbles way too much, leaving everyone standing around. No one in the second unit knows what to do with him on the court, which is killing us. It’s a shame, b/c I like him as a player, I just don’t know about the fit. We’re actually doing fine with our starters. I think we need to tighten the rotation to 8 or 9, and play a few young guys (Blatche, Young, McGee in a limited role). Gilbert looks a step too slow – has anyone noticed that many of the turnovers occur right after the crossover, when he starts to make his move and someone reaches a hand in to smack the ball away? That would have never happened with Gil 1.0. Still, I think if the Big 3 have adequate time to get used to each other, and get subbed by some steady players with consistent roles, we’ll be fine.
I could see it
The guy was loyal to a fault.
Meanwhile, it’s time for Butler to go, particularly since we could probably get some value for him. I’m now convinced that this guy can’t be a star player on the floor with Arenas. He looks invisible when Gil is out there.
To support the shoping Gilbert Theory
This fall I was at a SAS conference and Malcolm Gladwell was speaking. During a question and answer session, Gladwell went on a tangent and starting using NBA basketball as an analogy. He was giving an example of when analytics do not tell the whole story. I forget his exact quote, but he said he had spoken to Wizards coaches and they thought Gilbert was uncoachable and that you cant win with him. He went on the say that Gilbert had as much talent as anyone, but that he would never want him on his basketball team. Hence the great stats, but a lack of W’s.
Not saying I support what he is saying, just reporting what I heard
Hey!
not b’ball related. but i go to SAS conferences often. glad to know someone else gets to suffer through those as well.
"how ironic - you came here with a mouse in a bottle, now YOU are the mouse in the bottle" - B.M. Smith
by little stevie colter on Dec 15, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
haha
I have actually only been to one, it was out in Las Vegas. I really enjoyed, had some great speakers, and, well, we were in vegas
You could not give Gil away as long as he is playing out of position
Gil is NOT a point guard. His turnovers are due to the fact he is out there trying to THINK what to do instead of playing instinctively. He is hesitating because he has the ball in his hands trying to get players involved and he is not naturally good at this. This team has no inside presence, no physical presence at all. Just a no one willing to do the dirty work under the basket at all. GM should blow it up…if it is not too late. This is the draft to get better very fast with.
If... If... If...
If it would get the Wizzies a legitimate shot at landing John Wall, then the blow-up scenario might work… but we saw how the ping pong balls can bounce against you last year… the risk is simply too high IMO
So the question becomes which players to keep and which to shed… and under what circumstances?
The window on the current group is still open but it is closing fast.. as in four-six weeks.
If the team does well against its remaining West Coast foes and then Mike Miller returns to take over the starting 2 slot effectively, then EG could look to dealing the likes of Nick Young or Randy Foye, either of whom, combined with the Mike James expiring contract could land some decent help up front.
Dealing Butler I think is a legitimate possibility but the question is getting equal value in return. For me, equal value would be a starting point guard to allow Gilbert to slide over to the 2 slot and Miller to the 3, plus an experienced back-up power forward. Something like Butler and Crittenden to the Wolves for Sessions, Gomes and a 2nd round draft pick would do that. Even better would be to swap Butler to the Nets for Devin Harris, and that might be do-able as the Nets are in the best position to win the John Wall Sweepstakes.
I still have a fleeting hope that the Wizzies will be a playoff team come spring. And I think that Gilbert can be a big part of that, providing that EG can give Flip the true point giuard his system requires, which takes the pressure off Gilbert to be something he is not and excel at what he still can do well, which is score.
I disagree
1) Wiz cannot bank on getting the #1 pick
2) Gil IS a PG-like player.
Gil is not a prototypical PG, but he is an excellent passer and he needs the ball in his hands. He is a lot like Brandon Roy (very comparable when he is healthy really). You can’t play him with a ball dominating pure PG because that messes his game up. Its the same way that he is kinda terrible when Boykins is there.
Maybe it would work with a somewhat better PG than Boykins (one who, you know, moves the ball), but I think Gil can succeed running a offense.
by Manimal Smith on Dec 16, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
But,
I do think we should blow this up.
by Manimal Smith on Dec 16, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions

















