Indiana Pacers vs. Washington Wizards: Regular Season Game 21 Open Thread
by Mike Prada on Dec 12, 2009 5:23 PM EST
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Indiana Pacers at Washington Wizards, Dec 12, 2009 7:00 PM EST
The Essentials:
Pacers (7-13) vs. Wizards (7-13)
7:00 p.m.
Verizon Center
TV: CSN
Radio: 106.7 The Fan
Notable Pacers numbers this season
24th in expected winning percentage (.364)
2nd in pace (97.1 possessions per game)
26th in offensive efficiency/offensive rating (100.1)
9th in defensive efficiency/defensive rating (104.2)
Pre-game links
Indy Cornrows, SB Nation's Pacers Blog
Eight Points, Nine Seconds, an Indiana Pacers blog
Pacers Insider with Mike Wells, Indy Star
GameDay Pacers
| Tonight's Projected Starters | ||
|---|---|---|
| Pacers | vs. | Wizards |
| T.J. Ford |
PG | Gilbert Arenas |
| Brandon Rush |
SG | Nick Young DeShawn Stevenson |
| Dahntay Jones |
SF | Caron Butler |
| Troy Murphy |
PF | Antawn Jamison |
| Roy Hibbert |
C | Brendan Haywood |
I have a friend in town, so I'm going to tonight's game as fan (section 409), so no postgame quotes tonight. I'm also not immediately posting a postgame thread (Jake or Rook might, but not me).
Indiana is normally a bad team. They are now a bad team without their best player, Danny Granger, for an extended period of time. They are also a bad team that played last night in Indiana, while the Wizards didn't. There really are no excuses for a flat performance tonight.
Of course, it's worth noting that a) the Wizards have already lost to this team (with Granger, but without Troy Murphy) and b) the Pacers play a very odd style (fast-paced, but bad on offense and good on defense) that can be tough to deal with. Of course, talent needs to win out, so those aren't excuses. Get it done, guys.
GO WIZARDS!
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Flat,, for sure
This is exactly the type of game that the Wiz come out flat.
Meanwhile, Indiana will be grooming their young bigs, Tib and Hans.
This is the sort of game that McGee and Blatche should play a lot. But in this organization, not a prayer.
by Izman on Dec 12, 2009 5:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It always seems like any PG with any penetration abilities kills us
hoping not to be cursing TJ Ford as he goes for 20+ and 10 tonight.
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 12, 2009 5:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just made an update: DeShawn Stevenson starting over Nick Young
Representing DC with Wizards & Stuff - Truth About It.net and Bullets Forever.
by Truth About It on Dec 12, 2009 6:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Really
How did Stevesons 13 average minutes against the celtics earn him a starting spot.
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, really.
Representing DC with Wizards & Stuff - Truth About It.net and Bullets Forever.
by Truth About It on Dec 12, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nick is still to inconsistent.
Has Randy sunk so far he can’t get a look with the starters?
by forthepeople on Dec 12, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's terrible news
It’s probably more about Young than anything Stevenson did. Still, if Young isn’t getting it done or needs to be benched, then start Foye. I’m beginning to wonder if I’ve overestimated Flip.
by steadyhand on Dec 12, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also: Mike Dunleavy is back, he was out the last time.
Representing DC with Wizards & Stuff - Truth About It.net and Bullets Forever.
by Truth About It on Dec 12, 2009 6:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I guess I'll go out on a limb
and say we will win this game conformably. Danny Granger is a top 10 player easily and he is out. Dunleavy is good, but is still playing restricted minutes, I thnk 20 a game.
Gil just needs to keep up the pace of the action and we will do fine.
by forthepeople on Dec 12, 2009 6:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If they're going to turn it around, it's now or never
This is as much of a must-win game as you can get at this point in the season. I think if they lose this game it’s all over.
by steadyhand on Dec 12, 2009 7:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s not over until the Fat Lady sings.
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
by Rook6980 on Dec 12, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t go that far but losing to this team would be spirit crushing.
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Phil stumping for NY. Interested to hear Flip’s justification for starting Deshawn.
by Aldo on Dec 12, 2009 7:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am with holding all snarky comments
until the Wiz prove worthy of them
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 7:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Watching this team rebound with Haywood out of the lane is painful
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Dec 12, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why don't we value the ball
I thought this was the kind of stuff that was covered in AAU ball during there developmental years.
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 7:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
referring to the no snarky comments comment
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very good offensive start...
The defense needs to get going a little. Doesn’t help refs are calling ticky tack fouls.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 7:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Intensity level is fairly low
Pick it up fellas! They’re the ones on the back-to-back.
Butler charge #1…
by steadyhand on Dec 12, 2009 7:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mentally weak...on cue
They were walking off the court while Dunleavy hit that shot.
by steadyhand on Dec 12, 2009 7:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
God Caron, shoot the damn three
He was wide open!!
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Dec 12, 2009 7:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Wiz shot 71%
and we are up by two. This team has a special ways of doing things. Hopefully this works out for us
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They were running Princeton sets for the first time all season
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Dec 12, 2009 7:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Funny you mention the princeton
I watched the Sixers game when Iverson came back and they didn’t do the Princeton weave once.
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Subs Flip. Please utilize them!
This lineup is going cold. Or go inside and post please.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 7:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Foye is having a horrible game.
No concentration. Can we get a little Young?
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 7:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
not liking these low screens for gilbert. A higher screen would have him shooting a three and not a long two.
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 7:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is horrible. Horrible transistion defense.
Horrible everything. They just let Indiana get into a good rhythm.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rondo said it himself
The wiz dont get back on D. No hustle.
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey we have gone cold on offense
So flip brings in Stevenson. HUH?
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 7:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
To be fair to Stevenson...
he wasn’t that bad in the opening moments of the game. Made something other than a three too.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
…that possesion erased whatever defense you could give stevenson
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont you love it when real life
vindicates you. How does Stevenson get off the bench. He really needs to stop jerking NY around. it has to be killing his confidence
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he made a nice hustle play and threw a bad pass
Maybe we shouldn’t kill him when he just provided the only hustle play by the Wiz this quarter.
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 12, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its not so much stevenson as it is Flip
Stevenson cant help the fact that he is a crappy ball player. Why though doesn’t Flip recognize this?
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Flip uses Stevenson as a punishemnt
when he checks in it’s like he sent somebody else to their room without dinner
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 12, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes maybe that is it.
I can’t think of anything else myself.
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haywood is the only guy on ths team willing to do the little things
And they’re just going to let him go after the season. Makes me so mad.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Dec 12, 2009 7:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
they just won’t drop the kinesthetic awareness
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 7:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
In an uptempo game...
Where the hell is JaVale and NY1?
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 8:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m wondering the same thing – Foye stinking up the place… Stevenson being Stevenson…
Nick can’t be any worse…
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
by Rook6980 on Dec 12, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m really liking that Butler for Battier trade idea now.
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 8:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
stevenson's form
He didn’t always do that feminine-looking sideways fade when shooting, did he? It looks awful, as do the results.
by steadyhand on Dec 12, 2009 8:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The only player that flails more when shooting than a Deshawn 3 is when Lebron is trying to get a call.
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 8:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pathetic
No Granger, and yet we cant even slow them down…
by Ben23 on Dec 12, 2009 8:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
POST, LANE, PAINT, BIG MEN
We have them. Use them. Ugh.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 8:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Prediction. We make a run in the third quarter. Get up by double digits and choke it away in the 4th.
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 8:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So, NY1 gets 40 seconds of playtime. GG Flip.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 8:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Seriously as inconsistent as NY has been recently we should just give him the starting position and 25+ minutes a game till MM comes back and let him show he belongs.
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 12, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Half time entertainment
First question: Stevenson had more of which one?
Fouls or Points.
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 8:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
stopped watching
after gil left. I can’t wrap my head around this box score how the hell does this happen.
by forthepeople on Dec 12, 2009 8:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No effort
That’s how. There’s only a few players even putting in an acceptable level of effort. Everyone else looks like they want to play a game of h-o-r-s-e.
by steadyhand on Dec 12, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Flip comes with a big shakeup
starting Foye or Blatche in the second half.
by forthepeople on Dec 12, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
can we change the site name to 2nd quarter collapse?
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 8:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Leave him in!
Let him get one more so we can see NY1. Realistically we’ll see Foye, but that’d be a horrible move tonight.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Haywood’s hustle, but he has to stop trying his sweep hook.
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 8:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
BayArea I give....your right
Stevenson was punishment for young.
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you can't be an old man and chear for this team
It’s maddening how they can just quit for a whole quarter then come out and play there a**es off.
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 8:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nick Young rebounding?
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
by Rook6980 on Dec 12, 2009 8:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We haven't learned anything this game.
CLOSE OUT ON MURPHY.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 8:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to go mad screaming when they're on defense out of frustration...
and then screaming on offense out of pure joy. Yikes.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Phil: Jamison a little out of position...
when is he ever in position?
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we minus all the second quarters, we might actually have a winning record.
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 8:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nick trying real hard to pick up an assist…..
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
by Rook6980 on Dec 12, 2009 8:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Funy thing abou this team
When things are going their way, they play harder. I wish they’d do it all the time.
by steadyhand on Dec 12, 2009 8:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nick Young came in and provided some Defensive energy…..
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
by Rook6980 on Dec 12, 2009 8:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Did anybody else hear that
The dagger guy just said Arenas is out getting a " Blow ".
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 8:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am at work
So any humor including toilet humor will do for me.
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NY, DMac, Blatche, Jamison = great energetic unit...
I wish Arenas was still in though instead of Boykins.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 8:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
not quite a double digit lead but my prediction is quite on track. Now I hope I’m wrong about choking in the 4th
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 8:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I will eat crow...
Flip has made excellent substitutions and letting the younger guys play.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DeShawn Stevenson, SG 19 min 2 pts 4 reb 3 asst +1
Nick Young 9 min 7 pts 0 reb 1 asst +12
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 8:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure NY doesn't have a rebound...
I remember him having at least one.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and Nick has 2 steals as well
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
by Rook6980 on Dec 12, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you BF community
for further proving that NY >>>>>>D-Stev
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey flip, playus more
Love, Nick and Dominic
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Dec 12, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ha
I just logged on to say that Nick and Dom should start at SG and SF.
by disgrunted on Dec 12, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Please Flip PLEASE
Ride the hot hands… just switch Earl and Arenas.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We flipped Caron for DMac...
resulting possession… turnover. Come on Flip. Don’t mess up the mojo!
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so foye, stevenson, james, crittenton and maybe butler are basically trade fodder to me now.
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 9:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
someone photoshop boykins onto the Fearless movie poster.
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 9:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dead arm...
That doesn’t look good. Here’s to a speedy recovery Dahntay.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 9:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hang on
Tough D, Smart shots,
Butler ankle sprain — didn’t look that bad though…
by steadyhand on Dec 12, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Wizards' favorite fourth quarter play
“OK. You, the guy we just picked up on a 10 day contract, you dribble around as much as you want, and then shoot or pass to someone with 4 seconds left on the shot clock. And you, with the $111 million contract, just stand off to the side out of the way behind the three point line.”
by disgrunted on Dec 12, 2009 9:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hope Caron's okay
That stinks. Again. All we need…
by gbkdc on Dec 12, 2009 9:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What is Arenas doing??
Has he completely lost his mind??
by steadyhand on Dec 12, 2009 9:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow Arenas just got a very quiet Triple-Double
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 9:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
2nd game in a row
he has looked speedy
by forthepeople on Dec 12, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why on earth were people doubting that Hansbrough would succeed in the NBA?
by disgrunted on Dec 12, 2009 9:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Because I depise all tar heels
Thats my reason
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What's Happening?
My online pirate cable froze a split second after Arenas grabbed his 10th rebound for the triple double and caron went down! What did I miss? What did I miss?
by Legislator on Dec 12, 2009 9:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I believe we were watching the same feed
Sucks!
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Our offensive strategy
Seems to be to give it to Boykins and stand around and hope he makes a play. What’s even crazier is that it’s working.
by steadyhand on Dec 12, 2009 9:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's not sustainable
He dribbles around for the whole possession and eeks a shot out. Not sustainable. NOT. Hence the loss.
I know I can’t blame it on Boykins, but I didn’t like those possessions at the end. At all.
My swag was phenomenal.
by se7en on Dec 12, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s certainly better than Arenas taking a long contested three or driving, getting the call and then missing the FTs.
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. That was my point.
Not that giving Boykins the ball is a bad idea, just that he dribbles way too long and nobody else is moving all that much.
by steadyhand on Dec 12, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Haywood fouling?
Play DEFENSE. You’re good at it.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 9:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh my god. Gilbert. Gilbert. Gilbert.
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 9:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is absolutely ridiculous.
0.5 tenths of a second.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 9:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
WHAT THE EFF IS STEVENSON DOING IN THE EFFING GAME?!?!
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 9:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Umm Espn all ready sent me a text saying the Wiz won
What happened im confused?
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 9:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't see a foul
This is ridiculous.
by Manimal Smith on Dec 12, 2009 9:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Two shots coming
Foul with .1 left. Tied now, but one more free throw coming.
by steadyhand on Dec 12, 2009 9:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Steveson + Arenas = Biggest choking duo in history
by steadyhand on Dec 12, 2009 9:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It sure looked like a foul
Haywood was the call, but Stevenson was the one who fouled him before the buzzer.
by steadyhand on Dec 12, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was a BS call
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
by Rook6980 on Dec 12, 2009 9:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Can this call get overturned pending league review?
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NO
Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......
by Rook6980 on Dec 12, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no calls can be overturned afterwardsless it’s some sort of foul count error
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The refs better have a quick whistle on this play, too.
by disgrunted on Dec 12, 2009 9:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Speechless
I don’t know what to say. I don’t think I have been this mad after a game since LeBron traveled 2 times in the playoffs.
by Manimal Smith on Dec 12, 2009 9:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t care about the call, the game was lost when Gilbert missed the FTs
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 9:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How does Gil miss both FT
Was there a Bron-Bron sighting
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 9:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't care about the FT
they game was stolen…
by forthepeople on Dec 12, 2009 9:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If that’s the play Flip drew up, he should be fired.
If McGee broke the play for that mess, he should be benched until February.
by disgrunted on Dec 12, 2009 9:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wait flip put in McGee for the last second of the game
Why would u do that. Dude is ice cold
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
because he is the best leaper in the NBA
And you have to tap it in. Made perfect sense actually
by Manimal Smith on Dec 12, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I thought it was on the defensive play
Game was all ready over at that point. Our $110 millions dollar man is a choke artist. WOW!
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Donaghy
Yes, I’m going to say it. That call was HORSE SHIT.
by Manimal Smith on Dec 12, 2009 9:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm really devestated by this
Can’t believe it. So SO SO ANGRY.
How can you make that call? These things only happen to the Bullets.
I feel like the refs reached through the computer screen and punched me in the stomach.
by Manimal Smith on Dec 12, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The game was lost before then. Gilbert should have hit those FTs
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 9:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely, the firing circle should be faced inward not outward
We are not some great team plagued by corrupt referees, we STINK plain and simple, all this talk about referees is unproductive because thats not the root problem. We don’t deserve to win playing the way we have been playing.
by morethesamewiz on Dec 12, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where do we go from here?
We shouldn’t need a triple double from gil, a 30 point double double from Antawn, a near-Caron like effort from Caron, and lucky (but horrible and stupid) play from Boykins to lose to a terrible team without its only legitimate player.
BLOW IT UP. LIGHT THE MATCH. I’m done with this crap.
by Manimal Smith on Dec 12, 2009 9:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Can someone put up a Post Game thread so I can keep calling Gil a Choker
Who cares about the refs if we make our FT’s the game is over. Everyone knows not to leave it up to the refs to decide a game. You should be mad at the Wiz and no one else.
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 9:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ccrun
You made your point. Gil’s still returning from two years, he’s not going to be 100%. We all know that. Should he make his free throws? YES, but he was 4 of 5 before that trip to the line. He had an effing triple double. Twan had a 30-10 game. Caron had 24 some points. It was our defense. And I blame Stevenson way more than Gil.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He has done this before
This had nothing to do with his knee.
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This has everything to do with not playing two years of basketball.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude put up a triple double
The Knee is fine. Its his head thats screwing with him now.
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still haven't said anything about his knee.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay maybe I am being a little harsh
but I just watched this same script play out two games in a row. Except this time it happened to a far worse team who were missing there best player. I just get tired of seeing our Wizards put in piss poor efforts like this.
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you 100%.
I want to throw up. This was a sucker punch of a game. Horrendous.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think they make that call against the Cavs, the Magic, the Laker, or the Celts?
NO WAY. This is the kind of thing that only happens when the league doesn’t respect you, or, you know, you are beating the Lakers in Game 6 of the Western Conference finals.
by Manimal Smith on Dec 12, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cavs, Magic, Lakers or Celts wouldn’t need that call. They would be up 20 and have their human victory cigars out
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
LeBron didn’t need 5 steps 2-3 times to hit game winners in the playoffs on us?
That was a no respect call, pure and simple. Refs only lower the threshold of contact required for a foul at the end of the game when they don’t respect you. If they do respect you, then they require much more than that to call it.
by Manimal Smith on Dec 12, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I was a player talking to the media...
I would call out the refs and pay the hefty fine tonight. I would lambast the refs… but as Donaghy has pointed out… you’ll never get the end of it from them.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So Lebron is player for the Pacers now
Really the Refs had nothing to do with this loss. We were up by 6 with like a minute left. Only bad crappy teams lose a game like that.
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No one is disputing that
We should have won this game whether or not they made that call.
The problem is that that call was complete and total garbage. That call is NEVER made at the end of games EVER. What I am saying is that garbage teams like ours get garbage calls like that.
by Manimal Smith on Dec 12, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We’re playing against the Pacers, I don’t think they command too much respect either.
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then that's saying something about us and where we stand.
That’s even more depressing.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they certainly don’t need it against the Pacers.
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Getting mad at the call
only distracts what the real problems with this team are. A good team would never had found it self in the position.
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We're not a good team right now. No one is disputing this fact.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this the worst the Wizards prospects have been in this decade?
Saddled with a nearmax deal with 5 years remaining to a player who is so shaken that he goes 0-4 in back to back games in clutch free throws, 13 mill a year to a 33 year old forward, over the tax level and unlikely to resign all its best players. SHIT, I mean if someone on the top seemed to realize how bad it was that’d be comforting, but it seems like everybodys walking around whistling show tunes
by morethesamewiz on Dec 12, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems that bad huh
Unclutch – not clutch, not completing something that has to be done; bad.
Ladies and gents your 09-10 wizards
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It could be worse
I don’t think Gil is really the problem. He played awesome tonight and once he is actually back to normal-ish we can build around him.
That said, I think that they need to blow up the team and get rid of Caron and Antawn for expirings, yonug players and picks. We can’t win a championship with this team. They are both great players, but we aren’t going to win like this and I’d like to see us have a chance in the future while they get a chance to win elsewhere.
by Manimal Smith on Dec 12, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gil is what he is and I can't really see him missing FT's the rest of his career
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 12, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not all free throws
Just the important ones. He’s at around 70% overall. But I’ll be very surprised if he’s over 50% ‘close and late’.
by steadyhand on Dec 12, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am so glad I found about this one (a few seconds) after the fact. That’s two Washington sports stomach punch games in six days.
by bronco6778 on Dec 12, 2009 9:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Also dumb dumb sub by Flip. Stevenson has no redeeming qualities
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 9:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
One general thing to ponder
If that call was actually legitimate, then can someone please explain to me how the refs came up with .1 seconds?
Comcast went through that replay 10 times and at now time was it possible to pause it and say “there is the foul and .1 seconds are on the clock.” The refs felt that they needed to call a foul because they sensed contact, but they had no clue whether it was before or after the game ended and they had no clue whether Dunleavy could even have gotten the shot off under the rules.
It was all made up. The same kind of nonsense calls I have seen since I was a little tike watching Mark Allery run around in short shorts at the Cap center.
by Manimal Smith on Dec 12, 2009 10:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And no explanation will be given...
because NBA officials are above reproach on every decision they make and are shielded from scrutiny. I would like an explanation.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Watched the Replay
And I can see how they came up with .1 seconds. Haywood’s arm made contact with Dunleavy’s head just a fraction of a second before the light came on in the backboard. It was a razor thin call, and could have gone either way. That’s why you don’t put yourself in that situation against a really bad team missing its best player.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Dec 12, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So it was a "split second"?
Meaning they felt he fouled him at .1 but couldn’t tell for sure so they made up a number with the lowest possible time remaining?
Maybe there was a foul, but that is not a call that should ever be made.
by Manimal Smith on Dec 12, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It looked to me like BH didn't hit him until after the light went on
I felt like the refs called the foul on Haywood, then looked at the replay and decided it was Stevenson that fouled him. Rather than get the call wrong, they went with Haywood. No idea where they got 0.1 from though. I don’t have a DVR, so I’m just going based on what I saw in the replays
by steadyhand on Dec 12, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't think Stevenson fouled him
I thought it was actually good defense by him
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 12, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fan
I have never posted, but as a season ticket holder for the Wiz, i am seriously shocked. I have seen a lot of crappy games, but I truly think i have never seen such a horrible call as the last foul. I am floored. The officiaiting crew should be fined or fired. I am not excusing the Wiz. But refs should not be deciding games like that. terrible. Terrible. Seriously
by MMlover on Dec 12, 2009 10:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lonely Dissent
Is it true that such calls almost never get made at the end of games? Absolutely yet. However, Haywood did hit Dunleavy’s head at almost the exact same time that time ran out. After watching the replay several times, I concluded that it could have gone either way. Therefore, I refuse to blame the refs for this. When a team has a 6 point lead with under 2 minutes to go and is doing everything in their power to throw it all away, I think that puts just the slightest bit of prejudice in the ref’s mind to the extent that razor thin calls go towards the team making the best effort. That team was not the Wizards.
Face facts Wizards fans. This was the Pacers. At home. Without Danny Granger. We gave up 66 points at the half. We shot almost 30 percentage points less than the Pacers from the free throw line. We completely failed to compete in the 2nd quarter for the second game in a row. Gilbert choked for the second game in a row from the free throw line. (By the way, who the f*** gives a rat’s s*** about triple doubles when you choke away a game to the Pacers! Without Danny F****** Granger!) We were up 6 points with less than 2 minutes to go, and yet did everything wrong in those last two minutes.
Those are the facts. And yet everyone here except ccrun wants to blame the refs for this one? Only losers blame the refs for losing at home to crap teams coming off a back to back. There, I said it. Let the flames begin.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Dec 12, 2009 10:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Losers Refers to the Wizards
I am not referring to anyone here.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Dec 12, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no arguments here. I hope Gilbert shoots 500 FTs after the game, or even better, just make them during the game
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's all boiled up in this one call...
Everything. The frustration of people just sucking. Not playing basketball the right way. Not playing defense. Not playing people who deserve to play that on-court results. The inability to light a fire under Gilbert to supplement his basketball playing style with even mediocre defense. The fact that we still have Deshawn Stevenson playing minutes for this team. The fact that the trade deadline isn’t for another two or so months. The constant losing and lack of energy or pride. Everything.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well said
its time to blow this team up. i was patient during the 2 years arenas was out, happy to make excuses (that were legit) for the losses. But with the full team back, this is no longer acceptable. I dont think i can follow a team that has good players that refuse to/can’t put in consistent effort. where is the pride?? the only thing i can conclude is that they are no longer the players they were 2 yrs ago, and never will be again.
by Ben23 on Dec 12, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
4th Quarter
The majoiry of NBA Games are won/lost in 4th quarter and success comes down to three things
1. Executing your offense and getting high percentage shots
2. Getting to the free throw line and hitting your shots
3. Critical defensive stops
Until the Wizards can learn this and put it togehter they will lose not matter how much “talent” they put on the floor
Comments ?
by Buttgras on Dec 12, 2009 10:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
All your reasons mentioned
The Wiz fail to do over the entire span of the game. So for me its not so much 4th quarter execution as it is just putting in a full game effort.
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HEY FLIP DID YOU NOT SEE WHAT NICK YOUNG DID FOR THE ENTIRE TEAM WHEN YOU FINALLY PUT HIM IN FOR THE 3RD QUARTER? DO YOU SEE HIS +/- ??? WHY IS DESHAWN PLAYING?! WHY? WHY DIDN'T NICK PLAY THE ENTIRE 4TH QUARTER? YOU'RE FREAKING TAPSCOTT.
Sorry for that.
My swag was phenomenal.
by se7en on Dec 12, 2009 10:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Whoa whoa whoa. I don't know about the Tapscott commet... yet.
Although I agree with you 100%. NY needs to be playing with Miller out.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope Kyle asks him his reasons for going to Failshawn.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Deshawn can’t shoot. can’t drive. can’t play defense without fouling, careless with the ball. He’s one of those, “how is he still in the NBA?” anomalies
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's even worse because Nick is putting together a solid, if not breakout year.
He’s trying to play defense and when he’s getting minutes, he’s producing.
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because his Abe Lincoln Tattoo is off the Heezy
Seriously have you seen it……Ridiculous son!
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No Continue please
I think the Wiz would have been better playing with a man down than inserting D-Steve.
by ccrun1800 on Dec 12, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gil needs 8 more to lead the league in triple doubles
:)
My swag was phenomenal.
by se7en on Dec 12, 2009 10:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why So Surprised at the Loss?
Totally predictable. This is how we roll.
I saw it coming when we were up 3 with about 3 minutes left, and we blew a couple of fast breaks (Haywood or Jamison dropping a pass from Boykins, Boykins missing a pull up on a fast break feed from Gilbert) ….
We just could put them away. Them being the Indiana Pacers.
The refs stuff doesn’t matter. We can’t put teams away.
by Legislator on Dec 12, 2009 10:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Way ahead of you
Prediction. We make a run in the third quarter. Get up by double digits and choke it away in the 4th.
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 8:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
by Fundefined on Dec 12, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Banned from all future game threads...
:)
by Craig_ on Dec 12, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
The team has a patented formula:
1) have a bad start
2) catch-up
3) miss free throws
4) find a way to lose
Flip is oblivious to the obvious.
by Izman on Dec 13, 2009 8:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you can't make free throws
your not going to win many games. Arenas and Jamison going 5-12 isn’t going to get it done.
by Mike Uhrich on Dec 13, 2009 12:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
blame
I blame shaq for all of our problems.
by rzawrecktah on Dec 13, 2009 1:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I'm considering taking a paper bag to friday's Warriors game to wear over my head just in case
Yay or nay?
by Manimal Smith on Dec 13, 2009 1:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'll be there too Manimal
no bag for me though
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 13, 2009 3:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Two crummy teams
They are playing Hibbert and Hansborough.
We are not playing McGee and Blatche.
Which team will be better down the road?
by Izman on Dec 13, 2009 8:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
More like DC Sports team-esque
But still a great post
by ccrun1800 on Dec 13, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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