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Can we not jump to conclusions about Gilbert Arenas' relationship with Flip Saunders after seven games?

We all know that sportswriters do a lot of writing these days.  Feature stories, blogs, Tweets, video, etc.  Not to mention that there are ... um ... fewer of them with the industry struggling.  The only problem is that there isn't more time in the day for all these articles to be written, so writers are forced to file stories much faster than ever before. 

This is why I'm willing to somewhat give Ken Berger the benefit of the doubt for this blog post.  He also filed a story on Amare Stoudemire and has a blog and tons other stuff to write.  I can't imagine writing that much that fast, and I like to think I'm a guy who has the ability to churn out stuff pretty quickly. 

But regardless, the conclusion Berger makes -- "Arenas, Flip Not on Same Page" -- could not be more off the mark.

Saunders was right when he described the Wizards’ offense as "stagnant." Arenas was right when he said the team is still "trying to find out where we are, what we are." The common ground ended there.

"We’re just trying to figure out how we can put the ball in the basket, what coach wants from each player," Arenas said. "That’s what we’re struggling with."

Once again on Sunday, the ball wasn’t moving, the cuts weren’t crisp enough, and there was little trust in the system that Saunders brought here. The typical offensive set consisted of someone getting the ball on the wing, dribbling toward the basket, and shooting. Yet listen to Arenas’ assessment: He thinks the Wizards aren’t shooting fast enough.

"I say it’s when we have shots open, we’re not taking them," Arenas said. "We’re trying to do the extra dribble, or get closer to the rim, or pass the ball an extra time when we could just take the first shot. If you look at a team like Phoenix, the reason they don’t have turnovers is they’re launching ‘em. They’re letting it fly so they don’t have a chance to turn the ball over."

Contrary to Arenas’ assessment, the Wizards’ brass knows the opposite is true. The Wiz need to play more structured offense and pass the ball more, not less.

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Here, Berger completely ignores context of Arenas' quote.  Want to know what it was?  I know, because I was the one that asked the question.  The question I asked had to do with how he felt about the Wizards' offense having more turnovers than assists.  It was a very specific question about a very specific stat.  It was not necessarily a question about what was wrong with the offense as a whole. 

So when Arenas says the Wizards need to shoot quicker, it's specifically a way to get turnovers down.  His point is that Phoenix gets fewer turnovers and more assists because you aren't dribbling to get your own shots.  He's right.  In Seven Seconds or Less, Mike D'Antoni made literally the exact same point. 

And even if Arenas is trying to make a general point about the offense as a whole (and despite the specific context, I do think he was, to a point), is he really contradicting Saunders' message?  As Berger himself writes, Saunders' main message was that the Wizards' offense has been "stagnant."  What's the opposite of a stagnant offense?  An offense that's "in the flow."  What do you often see from an offense that's "in the flow?"  Quick passes, quick decisions, quick, in-rhythm shots that are good shots, open shots, but still shots that you take without surveying and thinking.  Basically, you see the Suns offense.  

As Saunders himself said:

"We're taking too many contested shots.  If you're taking contested shots, it probably means you're putting the ball on the floor and you're trying to take a shot on your own instead of creating a shot for somebody else."

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And as Arenas said later:

"[The problem] is dribbling to go get it up.  The ball's swinging.  If it's swinging to, like, [Oberto], [Oberto's] making passes.  I'm making passes.  But if you don't shoot the initial shot (long pause)."

Does that sounds like two guys who aren't on the same page?  It doesn't to me.  Obviously, they aren't saying the exact same thing, which is why I titled that section of this post "The Alternate Explanation (Sort Of)."  But the nuts and bolts of the argument are the same.  Both want everyone to be more decisive out there.  Both believe in quick decisions, whether it's moving the ball to an open man or taking an open shot instead of thinking, surveying and such.  Neither wants the offense to get stagnant. 

It might be (okay, fine, it is) true that Arenas is struggling to execute Saunders' vision.  But it isn't true that coach and player fundamentally disagree.  I know it's easy to think the free-spirited Arenas is rebelling against his coach, but it's just not happening right now. 

So please, kindly file this story away and relax.  Arenas and Saunders are fine.

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Big rec here.

There’s a lot of jumping to conclusions. And when the Wizards are 2-5, more and more sportswriters are looking for a way to write why they’re 2-5. They cherrypick a quote (in this case, one by Gil, in answering Prada’s Q), and run with their interpretation. I know this is separate from what Gil was so awkwardly mentioning before that the media is lazy. This is similar to what Gil was saying – a quote is cherrypicked, and now they can run with the headline: “Arenas, Flip not on same page.” When you look deeper, as explained here, it seems they’re very much on the same page. Hence, had Mr. Berger looked deeper, he might have seen this. Hence, perhaps it’s due to laziness. But perhaps that would be me jumping to conclusions on Mr. Berger’s method of journalism.

I only make that parallel in effort to defend Gil. This reminds me of the hype and exaggeration with his comments on the blogs, and his sound bites in general. They do what Gil said, and perhaps it can be attributed to laziness. Whatever you call it, I’m glad that there are some journalists out there willing to not jump to incoherent conclusions.

That’s for the fans to do. :) Like, we’re going to be 2-80.

My swag was phenomenal.

by se7en on Nov 9, 2009 9:45 PM EST reply actions  

er

at the very least i feel like if they are on the same page then you could take issue with gil’s communication. the deal with the media also, IMO, stems directly from gil’s communication lacking a bit.

it sounds to me like they are saying subtly different things. to the best of my knowledge, we aren’t trying to run d’antoni’s offense. gil sure as hell makes it seem like he thinks we are. he’s oversimplifying a bit, or just not being clear.

for instance, i don’t think it’s the case that he and oberto are setting people up with open shots and they aren’t taking ‘em. i don’t think we’re getting open shots… (because we aren’t running the offense right).

the team as a whole isn’t setting it up for one another. it isn’t the case that gil is setting everyone up and they just aren’t “launching ’em”. if anything, we ARE launching ’em right now.

to me, the thing the writer takes out of context a bit unfairly is that the whole team is having problems, not just gil.

then again, gil is a part of the problem, and he’s our franchise player.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Nov 9, 2009 10:36 PM EST reply actions  

This is where context matters

Because what Gil really was doing was answering the questions. One was about a stat. Another was when he was asked about how Phoenix doubled Washington up on assists.

But either way, there’s a difference between “Gil and Flip aren’t on the same page” and “Gil and Flip are mostly on the same page, but Gil isn’t executing well.” Berger makes it seem like the first; in reality, it’s the second.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Nov 9, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike, I think there is more to it than that....

Gil just does not look like Gil out there…. and I had not seen the team play until the Phx game on TV in Warsaw last Sunday…. But it is more than execution of the plays physically, it is his whole body language. The man simply looks disengaged, unhappy, lacking the spark that has always set him apart in my book.

I hope that getting Jamison and Miller back helps resolve the problem. A few wins can go a long way.

by khrabb on Nov 10, 2009 6:39 AM EST up reply actions  

His body language is concerning

But he looked more than fine in that regard before, during, and after the Dallas game. Winning changes a lot of things, and if the new Gil is really just worried about that and trying to lead the team the best he can, losing could really be affecting him and his demeanor.

With that being said, this team really need to start executing better — and that has nothing to do with the relationship between Arenas and Saunders.

by Matt K. on Nov 10, 2009 6:52 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not Gil's job to spoon feed the press

What problem is he part of? Berger misinterpreting his words?

On one hand, it’s up to good sports writers to do real analysis and help the public (read: us schlubs) understand what’s going on. Paying attention until you figure out an angle and then running it helps nobody but yourself.

On the other hand, it matters little what the national press writes on the Wizards, and only a little more what the local press writes. When we’re 18-12 and this is a distant memory we won’t remember all of this. If we’re 10-20 then we’ve got bigger issues.

by RamV on Nov 10, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

gil has a long history

of saying ridiculous, nonsensical, contradictory things. oftentimes they are entertaining, or at least they were, but i thought they could also be detrimental to the team. mike might be right in calling out this ken berger guy, but that’s just one instance, and i’m still not entirely convinced.

i still think, that when you take what gil’s saying, along with the first thing that flip said after the loss the other night (that we’re not getting enough hockey assists), they are contradictory. so in that light, i think it’s fair for ken berger to write, essentially, huh?

they are also contradictory to what i’m seeing on the court. who’s passing up open shots other than oberto? (and we want him to pass up those shots) i just don’t see it, sorry.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Nov 10, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

The only problem here is

1. The hockey assists thing wasn’t the first thing Flip said. It came later in his press conference. The first thing he said was that they weren’t moving the ball, and in the same sentence, his quote I cited in this article about contested shots and dribbling to shoot came. Same sentence. He later said the hockey assists line.

2. The execution problem is different. Like I tried to explore in the past thing I wrote, it’s one thing to say moving the ball is important, it’s another to do it. There are very, very logical reasons why it all breaks down that don’t result because Gilbert is saying to himself “Screw ball movement.”

The real issue with Berger’s article is that it projected one problem based on Arenas’ past history and based on the tendency we all have to go bonkers and say “Coach killer!” with Gilbert when really it’s another problem entirely. Gilbert isn’t stupid. He’s not saying it’s a good game plan to shoot every possession without passing. No. He’s saying that shooting off the dribble is bad and is in part caused by guys not shooting open shots.

Again, if you read Jones’ story, coach and player agree on that point. So where’s the problem?

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Nov 10, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

the "in part" is the problem

as far as i can tell, gil is (or was) saying not shooting open shots is the entire problem.

“The first thing he said was that they weren’t moving the ball”

this is the same statement as the hockey assists point, without the catchy analogy. MUCH different from they aren’t shooting it when they are open, which is what gil is saying. that’s what berger is alluding to.

i concede the point that berger chopped up gil’s quotes and flip’s quotes to make his point, which is somewhat shady. i also concede that he’s trying to sensationalize it, and pin all the troubles on gil. however, i don’t concede that berger doesn’t have a point.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Nov 11, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this then
as far as i can tell, gil is (or was) saying not shooting open shots is the entire problem.

I was there when he said it, and I don’t think he was saying that at all.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Nov 11, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah i know

again, you might be right, but i simply wish gil said we aren’t sharing/moving the ball. i can’t find any quote from gil that says that. it’s that simple. regardless of what specific questions he was asked i hope he is focused on that problem. i believe flip is.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Nov 11, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

hey here we go!

from michael lee’s article:

“Arenas leads the team with 5.9 assists, but he also leads the league with 4.8 turnovers per game. “We need a whole starting five to pass the ball. Just can’t have two people getting assists on this team,” he said. “That’s the way it’s been going the last five games.” "

this sounds much better!

by DarrellWalkerFan on Nov 12, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

of course

michael lee’s latest take is more in line with what i’m seeing on the court and with gil’s initial “just catch and shoot” quote:

“I’ve already written about Butler’s struggles to get on the same page with Gilbert Arenas, who has the ball the majority of the time on offense and appears to be focused on scoring and getting assists, not necessarily running the whole team.”

by DarrellWalkerFan on Nov 13, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

How about getting on this page?

Arenas and Blatche on one side of the court playing a two-man game (a la Stockton and Malone). Who on Miami can defend against this?

Haywood is on the other side of the key and Butler and Foye are outside the 3 – all ready to score if Miami brings a third defender against Arenas/Butler.

by Izman on Nov 10, 2009 8:15 AM EST reply actions  

Sounds good

Interestingly, Blatche seems to be the one guy who is taking his shot immediately rather than doing excess dribbling before shooting.

by hotplate on Nov 10, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions  

To add another piece of evidence to this

This was from Mike Jones’ story today:

“If we have shots open, we’re not taking it,” Arenas said Sunday. “We’re trying to do the extra dribble or get closer to the lane or pass the ball instead of just taking the first shot.”

Saunders agreed.


“If you have an open shot and you don’t shoot it, when you pass it to somebody they’re going to be covered,” he said. “You’re not going to have two guys open at the same time in our league, and that’s what we’re doing right now.”

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Nov 10, 2009 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

My big concern

Is that we are seeing a Suns scenario…last year they tried to switch their style up and it didn’t work as Steve Kerr wanted…this year they are back to “normal” and they are looking pretty damn good (of course, its a long season, but I know you all agree). Sometimes you can’t switch things up. You are who you are.
This is a great post, and I appreciate the inside knowledge regarding the context of the quote and question asked. I just keep thinking, watching Gilbert play, that he wants things back to that year EJ coached the all-star game. Yes, that was a different offense, but our big 3 seemed to flourish under it. Hopefully i’m way off base here and they can make Flip’s offense work like that first game against Dallas.

by DynaMix on Nov 10, 2009 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

EJ vs. Flip

All the players agree EJ offense was too complicated for most of the players and they really like Flips schemes. They just need more time with it. And lets not forget all the injuries… we have not seen our squad out there yet. Oberto is a scab (pardon my French), our team is going to operate sooo much better when Tawn comes back. So for all you AJ haters shut it up, unless you like being 2-5. Or do you think 20 and 10 wouldn’t help, and you think Oboy Oberto’s D and intangibles are so great they over-shadow AJ leadership and stat filling.

77-5 baby, quote me ;)
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by Le Bullet on Nov 10, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Wonder if Ken Berger...

…will comment here and defend his point like that other guy did last season.

(Unfortunately this commenter forgot what the other story was about and who wrote it; however, believes one or two may remember what he is referencing.)

"McGee is just flying all over the place. He’s like a condor." -Stacey King

by Lukbuster on Nov 10, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

David Friedman of 20 Second Timeout

Ken’s got much less time on his hands than David did, I imagine.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Nov 10, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Ref: Gil's body language/demeanor

rumor has it that his pregnant fiancee has been cheating on him – with Shaq – for a long time.

by jones-y on Nov 10, 2009 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

There's a thread about that in the FanPosts

But if true, yeah, I’d have bad body language during my day job too.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Nov 10, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

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