Washington Wizards vs. Indiana Pacers: Regular-season game six open thread
Washington Wizards at Indiana Pacers, Nov 6, 2009 7:00 PM EST
The Essentials:
Wizards (2-3) vs. Pacers (1-3)
7:00 p.m.
Conseco Fieldhouse
TV: CSN
Radio: 106.7 The Fan
Notable very early Pacers numbers this season
26th in expected winning percentage (.250)
3rd in pace (100.8 possessions per game)
26th in offensive efficiency/offensive rating (96.5)
18th in defensive efficiency/defensive rating (105.1)
Notable Pacers numbers last season
18th in expected winning percentage (.463)
3rd in pace (96.5 possessions per game)
18th in offensive efficiency/offensive rating (108.1)
19th in defensive efficiency/defensive rating (109.2)
Pre-game links
Indy Cornrows, SB Nation's Pacers Blog
Eight Points, Nine Seconds, an Indiana Pacers blog
Pacers.com game preview - Tyler Hansbrough to play, Pacers deceased owner Melvin Simon to be honored
Pacers Insider with Mike Wells, Indy Star
Michael Lee: Nick Young to start
Wizards Insider: The other side: Pacers
Chat on Comcast SportsNet with Rashad Mobley from Hoops Addict
Jeff Rabjohns of the Indy Star writes about Roy Hibbert's development
GameDay Indiana
| Tonight's Projected Starters | ||
|---|---|---|
| Wizards | vs. | Pacers |
| Gilbert Arenas |
PG | T.J. Ford |
| Nick Young |
SG | Brandon Rush |
| Caron Butler |
SF | Dahntay Jones |
| Fabricio Oberto |
PF | Danny Granger |
| Brendan Haywood |
C | Roy Hibbert |
It's too early to talk about must-win games (hell, is it ever not?) but this is a game the Wizards need to get. Yes, they're on the road, and yes, the Pacers crowd might be charged up from what should be a very moving ceremony when they honor the late Melvin Simon, the co-owner of the team. But Indiana is not a very good basketball team at all, and they'll be made worse because of injuries to Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy, Jeff Foster and Travis Diener.
Indiana is coming off their first win of the season, but it came against the hapless New York Knicks. With Danny Granger disqualified due to fouls, T.J. Ford stepped up and carried the Pacers to victory. Apparently, Ford said his confidence wasn't high, and the game against the Knicks did a lot to restore it. If by "restore it," he means "gave me the chance to just shoot every time," then yes, I guess is confidence is restored. In all seriousness, Ford is a point guard who tends to pound the dribble a lot and shoot. If he's passing, it's usually to get an assist, and not because he's trying to move the ball. Otherwise, expect him to be active trying to score the ball. You hear me, Gilbert?
The other interesting thing is that, if I read that lineup right, Danny Granger is playing power forward. That's pretty much exclusively by necessity, since Murphy and Foster are injured. But then who guards Granger? You'd think there's no way Fabricio Oberto is going to chase Granger around all night (that would be ... funny to watch), but then who does Oberto guard? Dahntay Jones? Maybe this is a night where Oberto leaves the game early and we see a lot of small lineups. I also don't exactly trust Andray Blatche to guard Granger, who operates so much like a perimeter player. I guess that leaves Caron Butler, but Butler isn't so great at navigating through screens and off-ball defense, which is Granger's specialty. Then again, without Murphy and Foster available, the screens shouldn't be as hard to navigate through.
Another matchup to watch is the Hibbert/Haywood matchup. Hibbert's played well to start the year, with a 19.3 PER and an outstanding rebound rate (he's snagging over 21% of all misses). Haywood did an excellent job on Jermaine O'Neal yesterday and Brook Lopez last Saturday, but did not do a great job on Shaquille O'Neal or Al Horford. Hibbert's probably closer to the former group, but it'll be interesting to see them do battle.
The bottom line with Indiana is to cut off the three-point line and push the ball back at them. Indiana has fewer shooters than last year, with Murphy out and Dahntay Jones now playing a lot, but you have to watch out for Granger and Brandon Rush behind that line. Then, when they miss, their transition defense is very poor, so always be willing to push the ball back at them.
Finally, Tyler Hansbrough's supposed to play for the first time tonight. That should be interesting. And ... that's all I gotta say about that. I will pose this question though -- would Tyler Hansbrough look good in an Eastern Motors ad? I was kind of underwhelmed by his performance in the video above.
Game's at 7. GO WIZARDS!
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Yeah, I was going to post that
But it didn’t have proper context. That was funny.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
How does he go from 0 minutes in game 1 with Sauders saying he’s not ready yet to starting 6 games in?
Well I figured
Foye and Stevenson are ahead in the depth chart.
I like Nick Young, but even though its early in the season, I don’t like experimenting with our lineup unless necessary. We need everyone on the team to have a set role.
So now Foye has a set role
He’s the backup point guard, so instead of putting him in the lineup as a shooting guard whenever someone gets hurt and throwing off his rhythm, Saunders can use one of the three other shooting guards on the team.
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Right, that's what I would have said
It’s tough when two starters get hurt to maintain set roles.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Brook Lopez did well early on too.
I don’t know if that’s on Haywood or if it’s a young center thing.
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I'm gonna go ahead and vent before I should...
But I’m sick of watching this team sleepwalk. Where is the intensity we saw in Game 1?
Yeah, I hope this doesn't last long.
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Yea, w Murphy out, Indy started Dahtay Jones ...
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Oberto is totally useless out there
He can’t score, and my gawd, he can’t guard Granger.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I really question Flip's decision not to adjust his lineup here.
Oberto on Granger? REALLY?
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Nick on 5
Seems like he’s fitting right into the rest of our offense as of late.
Not gonna lie
I forgot Travis Diener was in the league until tonight.
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These Indiana announcers are terrible
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Does Clark Kellogg still do Pacers games?
I know he did at one point.
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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
I missed they saying who it is
but it doesn’t sound like Kellogg.
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Speaking of terrible...
D-League ref Marat Kogut is working this game. He’s a magician in his spare time. Expect some weird calls.
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Caron
Is duble clutching every shot attempt. Why doesn’t he have the confidence to just catch and rise? Does he really think that a head fake is going to part the defense like the red sea and open a path to the hole?
He has a nice jumper!!!!
Why is he waiting for them to contest instead of just shooting!! It makes no sense.
by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully he'll soon realize
That the pump fakes aren’t working and he’ll just shoot it. If anything, it seems like it throws his rhythm off.
Caron does that double-clutch often
I don’t always like it …. but he usually makes those, so I’m not sure how much it really affects him.
But that time, you’re right, he shoulda pulled the trigger right away.
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You are right, but ...
It pretty much negates the offense. We can get him the ball in those positions without running 3 screens. We are just wasting shot clock to get him open looks that he then hesitates on in favor of contested looks.
by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm taking solace in the fact
that Arenas only has one.
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How do you not finish that Dray?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Yikes, what happens now that Gil is out
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Tyler just learned you can't just shoot over people on the NBA level
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
The first three games we looked like a different team....
from the old wiz…but man, since then we look bad
So much for the Wiz setting good screens...
They seem to pick up a lot of offensive fouls on them … could just be me.
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Blatche shouldn't have passed it there.
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I thought it was ok. I just want to see a play get u in that position. not a forced shot
early in the shot clock
by Carlos Returns on Nov 6, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
So what does Saunders do with Oberto?
Make him the backup center tonight? Just not play him very much? Except for maybe Hansbrough, there’s not really a good matchup for him.
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Against CHI yesterday?
Ya, I saw that. It was great to watch because it highlights how much he relies on the refs to bail him out in those situations.
He just lowered his shoulder and tried to get to the hoop instead of really beating his guy off the dribble to get a lane. He assumes he will get a call or be able to push off to create space even when he is being double teamed. Also highlights how crap an offensive team the cavs are.
by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
DeShawn lefty on the break! Yes!
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Eight turnovers?
I thought Flip’s offense were low-TO guys?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Haywood, Oberto and Blatche have 5
so blame the big men
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It doesn't look like we are running any offense though
the first couple games i saw pick and rolls…where are they?
by Carlos Returns on Nov 6, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Hibbert kind of cleared McGee out there
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Good call by Flip
Dom always plays hard.
by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Get ready for the Gilbert Arenas show folks.
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He had a two year lay off
give it some time. If he is still doing this in Jan then we have a problem
Javale is clueless
He thinks his job as a post defender is to maintain his shot blocking chance. He makes NO attempt to force his man further from the basket.
Someone needs to teach him how to do something on D other than using his freakish size and athleticism from the weak side.
Yuck, I'd rather McGee shoot that jumper than dribble and lose it.
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Whereas
We are not … because we are completely out of sorts while they were just missing easy shots.
by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions
Has anyone commented that we suck yet?
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by Kyle Weidie on Nov 6, 2009 7:59 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Why does a play end in McGuire isolating?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
He is the anti-Damon Jones
He is who we play when we have no clue how to win.
Human panic button
by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
Flip is clearly confused as ...
F*ck. He’s play 11 out of his 8 man rotation.
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Yeah
You can’t entirely blame Flip for this fiasco. Everybody on his team has forgotten how to hit open shots, and that includes free throws. Nobody on the Wizards can throw the ball into the ocean right now and make it wet.
That said, Flip deserves some blame for not getting this team ready to play.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Run Caron until he figures it out. Run Gil until he finds his passion
This is all showing me just how valuable Antawn really is. Blatche probably can replace alot of his stats, but I think Antawn is the heart of the team emotionally.
We are totally robotic without him. Miller being out hurts in that regard too.
At least Caron
saw the mismatch and took advantage.
honestly ..
I think part of the reason that Gil looks so robotic is that he is focusing too much on that.
I know he was breaking plays against the Heat, but I really am not digging this serious business-like Gil.
by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
I remember flip saunders ...
almost adamantly saying that he wouldn’t play Gil off the ball in the preseason…. so much for that.
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I remember that too
It’s hard to have the ball in your hands 80% of the time if you’re playing off the ball.
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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
This is a weird lineup
Foye, James and Gil? Odd.
Flip’s searching too much.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
WE ARE FREAKING TERRIBLE
Wow. No one, NO ONE can play tonight.
I think the Wizards have to go through this rough patch to understand how to win together. What’s disturbing about it is that it looks like a continuation of the disaster that was last season, only with Arenas in the mix.
The synergy that we saw in that Dallas opener was not a mirage. This team can play very well, but they have to understand what works and doesn’t. I wish they could learn that without losing, but such is life.
Easily
Basically nothing went right – at all.
by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Teamwork at its finest
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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
If my boxscore is correct
Brendan Haywood is on pace for 24 rebounds.
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I can't believe he hasn't shot any free throws yet
He’s been battling inside and has been hacked a few times — but no calls.
Guess who is the only Pacer with a negative +/- is!
Hint: “His will exceeds his skill.”
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It could be worse
Eddie Jordan’s squad is losing to the Nets at home right now.
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Flip is trotting out the "Humility Lineup"
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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Does this mean we'll never see Nick Young again?
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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
It's a contract year
Every rebound means money in the bank.
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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like it more
If someone besides he and Butler had more than 2 rebounds.
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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Fair point.
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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
I guess losing Mike Miller will do that.
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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
The Wizards need better mitts
The ball is ALWAYS getting knocked out someone’s hands.
‘jesus’
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I don't think that's the problem
They just aren’t playing well. I think they’re playing hard enough.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
apparently flip freaked when it went up
by Carlos Returns on Nov 6, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
I think he's trying to make up for last night
As someone who’s followed the career arc of Gilbert Arenas, I have to say that I’m shocked to see Gilbert go from one side of the spectrum to the other on something with little rhyme or reason.
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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like that they play zone
It’s too much for people to process.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Has anyone commented that the Wizards suck yet?
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We built brick city
…. by bricking shots … doo doo
There are four Wizards there
And Hansbrough gets the rebound.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
On the bright side
Charlotte is beating Atlanta by 17 right now.
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Hopefully this is the bottom of the well for the Wiz
and months from now we will all be chatting about our victories never acknowledging that one Indiana Pacer game.
Should have gone up with two hands
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Is Gilbert pulling a retro moody Kobe? He gets criticized in the Miami game for shooting too much so then next game he just passes up shots?
I don't think he's passed up shots
They’ve played him well. He hasn’t had the opportunity.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Haven't seen Nick Young all half
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
No worse than anyone else
Hit his first shot too
by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
I'm out
Wow – I feel like I’m in my old seats at the U.S. Air Arena while I watch this at my desk at work …..
You’d think we were giving Bob McCan a run out there with the way this game is going.
I’m supposed to talk to a Wiz sales rep about a ticket package on Sunday. He’s gonna have a tough sell after this game…
I think it's hard to judge this team until they're fully healthy
But it’s worth wondering whether that will ever happen.

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