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Washington Wizards vs. Indiana Pacers: Regular-season game six open thread

Washington Wizards at Indiana Pacers, Nov 6, 2009 7:00 PM EST


The Essentials:

Wizards (2-3) vs. Pacers (1-3)
7:00 p.m.
Conseco Fieldhouse
TV: CSN
Radio: 106.7 The Fan

Notable very early Pacers numbers this season

26th in expected winning percentage (.250)
3rd in pace (100.8 possessions per game)
26th in offensive efficiency/offensive rating (96.5)
18th in defensive efficiency/defensive rating (105.1)

Notable Pacers numbers last season

18th in expected winning percentage (.463)
3rd in pace (96.5 possessions per game)
18th in offensive efficiency/offensive rating (108.1)
19th in defensive efficiency/defensive rating (109.2)

Pre-game links

Indy Cornrows, SB Nation's Pacers Blog
Eight Points, Nine Seconds, an Indiana Pacers blog
Pacers.com game preview - Tyler Hansbrough to play, Pacers deceased owner Melvin Simon to be honored
Pacers Insider with Mike Wells, Indy Star
Michael Lee: Nick Young to start
Wizards Insider: The other side: Pacers
Chat on Comcast SportsNet with Rashad Mobley from Hoops Addict
Jeff Rabjohns of the Indy Star writes about Roy Hibbert's development
GameDay Indiana

Tonight's Projected Starters
Wizards vs. Pacers
Gilbert Arenas
PG T.J. Ford
Nick Young
SG Brandon Rush
Caron Butler
SF Dahntay Jones
Fabricio Oberto
PF Danny Granger
Brendan Haywood
C Roy Hibbert

 

It's too early to talk about must-win games (hell, is it ever not?) but this is a game the Wizards need to get.  Yes, they're on the road, and yes, the Pacers crowd might be charged up from what should be a very moving ceremony when they honor the late Melvin Simon, the co-owner of the team.  But Indiana is not a very good basketball team at all, and they'll be made worse because of injuries to Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy, Jeff Foster and Travis Diener

Indiana is coming off their first win of the season, but it came against the hapless New York Knicks.  With Danny Granger disqualified due to fouls, T.J. Ford stepped up and carried the Pacers to victory.  Apparently, Ford said his confidence wasn't high, and the game against the Knicks did a lot to restore it.  If by "restore it," he means "gave me the chance to just shoot every time," then yes, I guess is confidence is restored.  In all seriousness, Ford is a point guard who tends to pound the dribble a lot and shoot.  If he's passing, it's usually to get an assist, and not because he's trying to move the ball.  Otherwise, expect him to be active trying to score the ball.  You hear me, Gilbert?

The other interesting thing is that, if I read that lineup right, Danny Granger is playing power forward.  That's pretty much exclusively by necessity, since Murphy and Foster are injured.  But then who guards Granger?  You'd think there's no way Fabricio Oberto is going to chase Granger around all night (that would be ... funny to watch), but then who does Oberto guard?  Dahntay Jones?  Maybe this is a night where Oberto leaves the game early and we see a lot of small lineups.  I also don't exactly trust Andray Blatche to guard Granger, who operates so much like a perimeter player.  I guess that leaves Caron Butler, but Butler isn't so great at navigating through screens and off-ball defense, which is Granger's specialty.  Then again, without Murphy and Foster available, the screens shouldn't be as hard to navigate through.

Another matchup to watch is the Hibbert/Haywood matchup.  Hibbert's played well to start the year, with a 19.3 PER and an outstanding rebound rate (he's snagging over 21% of all misses).  Haywood did an excellent job on Jermaine O'Neal yesterday and Brook Lopez last Saturday, but did not do a great job on Shaquille O'Neal or Al Horford.  Hibbert's probably closer to the former group, but it'll be interesting to see them do battle.

The bottom line with Indiana is to cut off the three-point line and push the ball back at them.  Indiana has fewer shooters than last year, with Murphy out and Dahntay Jones now playing a lot, but you have to watch out for Granger and Brandon Rush behind that line.  Then, when they miss, their transition defense is very poor, so always be willing to push the ball back at them.

Finally, Tyler Hansbrough's supposed to play for the first time tonight.  That should be interesting.  And ... that's all I gotta say about that.  I will pose this question though -- would Tyler Hansbrough look good in an Eastern Motors ad?  I was kind of underwhelmed by his performance in the video above.

Game's at 7.  GO WIZARDS!

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Let’s get back to .500

by Fundefined on Nov 6, 2009 6:10 PM EST reply actions  

How does he go from 0 minutes in game 1 with Sauders saying he’s not ready yet to starting 6 games in?

by Team Serbia on Nov 6, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess because Miller’s injured and he watched DeShawn’s “performance.”

by whippb on Nov 6, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Well I figured

Foye and Stevenson are ahead in the depth chart.

I like Nick Young, but even though its early in the season, I don’t like experimenting with our lineup unless necessary. We need everyone on the team to have a set role.

by Team Serbia on Nov 6, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

So now Foye has a set role

He’s the backup point guard, so instead of putting him in the lineup as a shooting guard whenever someone gets hurt and throwing off his rhythm, Saunders can use one of the three other shooting guards on the team.

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by Jon L on Nov 6, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, that's what I would have said

It’s tough when two starters get hurt to maintain set roles.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Nov 6, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Blatche, but I don’t know if he is the brightest bulb. I remember when he said he didn’t go to college so he doesn’t care about “no Mach mardness.” :-P

by whippb on Nov 6, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it just me or are all these American Idol contestants mediocre to terrible at singing the National Anthem?

by whippb on Nov 6, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Whats more important

If she was texting during the anthem then its almost game time

by ccrun1800 on Nov 6, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, Caron took our advice

And shot the ball instead of hesitating and surveying the defense.

by bigrm18 on Nov 6, 2009 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

He’s gonna be a real solid Center for a long time

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Nov 6, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

thats shocking to hear

is he beating haywood 1 on 1 with post moves?

by forthepeople on Nov 6, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

The jumper is what surprises most people – but he’s got a real consistent outside shot

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Nov 6, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Hibbert’s biggest problem is that he fouls too much

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Nov 6, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Brook Lopez did well early on too.

I don’t know if that’s on Haywood or if it’s a young center thing.

Ridiculous Upside, where developing talent and winning are not mutually exclusive.

by Jon L on Nov 6, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be

I don’t see Hibbert much; it’s weird, at least.

by Matt K. on Nov 6, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm gonna go ahead and vent before I should...

But I’m sick of watching this team sleepwalk. Where is the intensity we saw in Game 1?

by mfish on Nov 6, 2009 7:24 PM EST reply actions  

Nick on 5

Seems like he’s fitting right into the rest of our offense as of late.

by mfish on Nov 6, 2009 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

Not gonna lie

I forgot Travis Diener was in the league until tonight.

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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 7:33 PM EST reply actions  

These Indiana announcers are terrible

Ridiculous Upside, where developing talent and winning are not mutually exclusive.

by Jon L on Nov 6, 2009 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

Does Clark Kellogg still do Pacers games?

I know he did at one point.

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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I missed they saying who it is

but it doesn’t sound like Kellogg.

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by Jon L on Nov 6, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of terrible...

D-League ref Marat Kogut is working this game. He’s a magician in his spare time. Expect some weird calls.

Ridiculous Upside, where developing talent and winning are not mutually exclusive.

by Jon L on Nov 6, 2009 7:36 PM EST reply actions  

Caron

Is duble clutching every shot attempt. Why doesn’t he have the confidence to just catch and rise? Does he really think that a head fake is going to part the defense like the red sea and open a path to the hole?

by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 7:37 PM EST reply actions  

He has a nice jumper!!!!

Why is he waiting for them to contest instead of just shooting!! It makes no sense.

by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully he'll soon realize

That the pump fakes aren’t working and he’ll just shoot it. If anything, it seems like it throws his rhythm off.

by bigrm18 on Nov 6, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Caron does that double-clutch often

I don’t always like it …. but he usually makes those, so I’m not sure how much it really affects him.

But that time, you’re right, he shoulda pulled the trigger right away.

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by Kyle Weidie on Nov 6, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You are right, but ...

It pretty much negates the offense. We can get him the ball in those positions without running 3 screens. We are just wasting shot clock to get him open looks that he then hesitates on in favor of contested looks.

by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Great defense by Butler.

by Fundefined on Nov 6, 2009 7:43 PM EST reply actions  

So what does Saunders do with Oberto?

Make him the backup center tonight? Just not play him very much? Except for maybe Hansbrough, there’s not really a good matchup for him.

Ridiculous Upside, where developing talent and winning are not mutually exclusive.

by Jon L on Nov 6, 2009 7:48 PM EST reply actions  

Against CHI yesterday?

Ya, I saw that. It was great to watch because it highlights how much he relies on the refs to bail him out in those situations.

He just lowered his shoulder and tried to get to the hoop instead of really beating his guy off the dribble to get a lane. He assumes he will get a call or be able to push off to create space even when he is being double teamed. Also highlights how crap an offensive team the cavs are.

by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Pacers with 15 Free throws already?

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Nov 6, 2009 7:53 PM EST reply actions  

Throws

Why has gil regressed on this?

by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 7:56 PM EST reply actions  

And a lot of his shots

Have been way off. Not sure what’s going on there.

by bigrm18 on Nov 6, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

He had a two year lay off

give it some time. If he is still doing this in Jan then we have a problem

by ccrun1800 on Nov 6, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Javale is clueless

He thinks his job as a post defender is to maintain his shot blocking chance. He makes NO attempt to force his man further from the basket.

Someone needs to teach him how to do something on D other than using his freakish size and athleticism from the weak side.

by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 7:58 PM EST reply actions  

Rec'd

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Nov 6, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike James is

Getting ready to come in?? Wowzers

by bigrm18 on Nov 6, 2009 8:01 PM EST reply actions  

He is the anti-Damon Jones

He is who we play when we have no clue how to win.

Human panic button

by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Worst possession ever.

by Fundefined on Nov 6, 2009 8:02 PM EST reply actions  

This just looks like pure chaos now.

by whippb on Nov 6, 2009 8:03 PM EST reply actions  

Flip is clearly confused as ...

F*ck. He’s play 11 out of his 8 man rotation.

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by Kyle Weidie on Nov 6, 2009 8:03 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah

You can’t entirely blame Flip for this fiasco. Everybody on his team has forgotten how to hit open shots, and that includes free throws. Nobody on the Wizards can throw the ball into the ocean right now and make it wet.

That said, Flip deserves some blame for not getting this team ready to play.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Nov 6, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It looks like last year with James and McGuire out there. Not to mention the type of play…

by whippb on Nov 6, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Run Caron until he figures it out. Run Gil until he finds his passion

This is all showing me just how valuable Antawn really is. Blatche probably can replace alot of his stats, but I think Antawn is the heart of the team emotionally.

We are totally robotic without him. Miller being out hurts in that regard too.

by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

At least Caron

saw the mismatch and took advantage.

by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 8:09 PM EST reply actions  

honestly ..

I think part of the reason that Gil looks so robotic is that he is focusing too much on that.

I know he was breaking plays against the Heat, but I really am not digging this serious business-like Gil.

by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Boo...

That gold jersey is ugly as heck, Steve and Phil.

by whippb on Nov 6, 2009 8:12 PM EST reply actions  

I remember flip saunders ...

almost adamantly saying that he wouldn’t play Gil off the ball in the preseason…. so much for that.

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by Kyle Weidie on Nov 6, 2009 8:13 PM EST reply actions  

I remember that too

It’s hard to have the ball in your hands 80% of the time if you’re playing off the ball.

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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

This is a weird lineup

Foye, James and Gil? Odd.

Flip’s searching too much.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Nov 6, 2009 8:14 PM EST reply actions  

Everything is going in right now.

by Fundefined on Nov 6, 2009 8:14 PM EST reply actions  

WE ARE FREAKING TERRIBLE

Wow. No one, NO ONE can play tonight.

by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 8:14 PM EST reply actions  

10,000!

Pretty cool. Maybe now things will go our way, lol.

by whippb on Nov 6, 2009 8:15 PM EST reply actions  

Gil just passed

10,000 career points. YAY! He has 2 over 10,000 if you’re wondering.

by bigrm18 on Nov 6, 2009 8:15 PM EST reply actions  

Carelessness sums up the half.

by Fundefined on Nov 6, 2009 8:17 PM EST reply actions  

I think the Wizards have to go through this rough patch to understand how to win together. What’s disturbing about it is that it looks like a continuation of the disaster that was last season, only with Arenas in the mix.

The synergy that we saw in that Dallas opener was not a mirage. This team can play very well, but they have to understand what works and doesn’t. I wish they could learn that without losing, but such is life.

by satchmore on Nov 6, 2009 8:17 PM EST reply actions  

If my boxscore is correct

Brendan Haywood is on pace for 24 rebounds.

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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 8:21 PM EST reply actions  

I can't believe he hasn't shot any free throws yet

He’s been battling inside and has been hacked a few times — but no calls.

by Matt K. on Nov 6, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Guess who is the only Pacer with a negative +/- is!

Hint: “His will exceeds his skill.”

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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 8:24 PM EST reply actions  

It could be worse

Eddie Jordan’s squad is losing to the Nets at home right now.

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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 8:33 PM EST reply actions  

Wait a second

Mike James started the third quarter. Huh?

by Matt K. on Nov 6, 2009 8:35 PM EST reply actions  

Flip is trotting out the "Humility Lineup"

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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice, Haywood is going for rebounds so hard he’s wrestling them away from his own team.

by whippb on Nov 6, 2009 8:36 PM EST reply actions  

It's a contract year

Every rebound means money in the bank.

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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like it more

If someone besides he and Butler had more than 2 rebounds.

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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess it isn’t too hard for Haywood when it’s James, Foye, Arenas, and Butler out there.

by whippb on Nov 6, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair point.

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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess losing Mike Miller will do that.

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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Lots of money if he keeps this up. One away from career high this early in the third.

by whippb on Nov 6, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he's trying to make up for last night

As someone who’s followed the career arc of Gilbert Arenas, I have to say that I’m shocked to see Gilbert go from one side of the spectrum to the other on something with little rhyme or reason.

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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

oh no

Stevenson’s in the game! :’(

by Kevvvvv on Nov 6, 2009 8:54 PM EST reply actions  

Man, this is ugly

What are Gil’s numbers?

by Boo. on Nov 6, 2009 8:55 PM EST reply actions  

Please run back after a shot.

by Fundefined on Nov 6, 2009 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

We built brick city

…. by bricking shots … doo doo

by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

There are four Wizards there

And Hansbrough gets the rebound.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Nov 6, 2009 8:58 PM EST reply actions  

On the bright side

Charlotte is beating Atlanta by 17 right now.

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by Jake Whitacre on Nov 6, 2009 9:00 PM EST reply actions  

Why does it seem like

Gilbert isn’t even on the court?

by Boo. on Nov 6, 2009 9:00 PM EST reply actions  

Hopefully this is the bottom of the well for the Wiz

and months from now we will all be chatting about our victories never acknowledging that one Indiana Pacer game.

by Carlos Returns on Nov 6, 2009 9:00 PM EST reply actions  

Is Gilbert pulling a retro moody Kobe? He gets criticized in the Miami game for shooting too much so then next game he just passes up shots?

by Fundefined on Nov 6, 2009 9:05 PM EST reply actions  

Short leash?

I missed the 1st quarter, did he look that bad?

by Boo. on Nov 6, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t remember him looking all that bad. I think he missed a couple of shots he could have got. Wasn’t paying too much attention to what he was doing (or not) for defense.

by whippb on Nov 6, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm out

Wow – I feel like I’m in my old seats at the U.S. Air Arena while I watch this at my desk at work …..

You’d think we were giving Bob McCan a run out there with the way this game is going.

by Manimal Smith on Nov 6, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

I’m supposed to talk to a Wiz sales rep about a ticket package on Sunday. He’s gonna have a tough sell after this game…

by whippb on Nov 6, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions