Two stories about Brendan Haywood

by Mike Prada on Oct 9, 2009 12:04 PM EDT in Player Analysis

There's nothing too surprising in either. The only really newsworthy item in either article is that Haywood's agent says the Wizards haven't begun any talks about extending Haywood, but even that is somewhat counteracted by Ernie Grunfeld saying he plans on having those discussions "in the near future." For his part, Haywood says he's not concerned about what happens next summer until next summer arrives, and feels his value is tied to winning, not personal stats, but we knew he'd say something of the sort.

I only point these article out to begin a pre-game discussion. How much do you think Brendan is worth if all external factors (the declining cap, other teams needing a center, etc) aren't in play? What type of contract do you think Haywood will ultimately get if he has the season you project him having and those external factors are in play? Keep in mind, those are two different questions. Ben Gordon might not be worth his contract if you just consider his ability, but the market factors (Detroit having money to play with and a need to use it right away) means he got 55 million fairly.

Further reminder: I'm going to be reporting on tonight's preseason game, so if you have things you want me to look for, let me know. The game thread will open at 5 p.m.

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Game on TV?

Is the game going to be televised tonight? It’d be great to get some games in before I have to move out of the area.

by Craig_ on Oct 9, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions

Yes, it's on CSN and NBATV

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Oct 9, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Awesome!

I’m going to be really disappointed when I move out of the area. NBATV is definitely in my future, but if I don’t have to pay for it well, who doesn’t love free?

Mike, are you going to be doing any twitter updates as the game progresses or a live blog type of deal?

by Craig_ on Oct 9, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions

Reply fail.

My bad. :x

by Craig_ on Oct 9, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions

LP Broadband

I would suggest league pass broadband if you are moving out of the area. Its the best way to keep up with the wiz for less than 100 bucks. It was my saving grace last year living in Houston and LA.
http://www.nba.com/leaguepass/index.html

by forthepeople on Oct 9, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions

In a vacuum

He’s worth more to the us than Vareão is worth to the Mistake by the Lake, right? (Just trying to establish a baseline there for non-star, non-flashy-stat, “intangibles” kinds of players…)

Without any regard for Caron’s contract (is that up in two years or is it next year already?) I’d say, give BH whatever we’re paying Mike James this year. But that probably doesn’t make sense for a number of reasons, which I’ll be happy to read about from more informed commenters.

"the chevy chase bank deposit!"

by newmaniumreveler on Oct 9, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions

I think we have to overpay to keep him

6 years $54 millon (extra because centers are so scarce).

"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck

by George Templeton on Oct 9, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions

Haywood Turns 30 in November

No way we can pay him until he is 37.

The biggest question, is if you pay Haywood big time money, what happens to McGee? Can you let Haywood walk and hope McGee can step up? I am assuming that McGee will not get many minutes this year and will still be very high on potential, but very minimal production. If you sign Haywood, what Happens with its time to pay McGee?

In a Bubble, I think 3 years $25M-$30M is a fair contract. Something starting at $8M a season. More than 3 years, and Haywood is really starting to get old.

But we cant make the decision in a bubble, we have to look at the rest of the roster. How does Haywood’s contract impact Foye, Miller and McGuire. What about Caron and NY next season?

Evaluating what to do with Haywood has implications throughout our roster

by Blatche4MVP on Oct 9, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed

I’m not sure if he’d sign for it, but 3 years, $30 million seems right to me. Remember that he’s always been pretty durable as well (last year’s fluke injury notwithstanding).

by mfish on Oct 9, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions

4/$32 sounds acceptable if it gets done right now

by RamV on Oct 9, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree

Maybe a little less.

The thing is, I don’t see Haywood getting more than the MLE next summer, because of the lower projected cap. HOWEVA, if we only offer Haywood the MLE, then I strongly believe he would go somewhere else if the money is right because he’ll feel disrespected by an organization he’s put up a lot of (see-are-aye-pee) for. I think we need to offer him more than the MLE to keep him here.

I’d also ideally want him for only three years, but something tells me he wants the long-term security, so that might not be realistic. Four years, like Jamison, is an appropriate compromise.

I’d go 4/30.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Oct 9, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions

I think we're in the same place

- He won’t sign a 3-year deal or an MLE deal unless he has to.
- He won’t know if he has to until next summer, and neither will we.
- A reasonable and somewhat generous offer erases uncertainty for both parties.
- 4 years is minimum for that, and we can all quibble about the dollar amount.

As we sit I think the best thing he could hope for on the market is something like 5/$40, and that’s a bug question mark, so I think 4/$32 (or close) will get it done.

The piece I’ve not included is the projected cap. First, I don’t know if 4/$32 basicall makes a bunch of other decisions for us (i.e. we will lose Foye and/or Miller). Second, I have not looked at teams likely to sign him to see what they might offer.

by RamV on Oct 9, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions