Hawks Down Wiz 100-89: The Post Game Thread
by Kyle Weidie on Oct 30, 2009 10:17 PM EDT
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Ok ... that wasn't good. It all somehow started at the end of the 1st quarter when the offense became sloppy. And later, when the offense was a little bit better ... the Wizards just couldn't get stops.
It's the second game of the year ... the Hawks are good ... it was a road game ... the Wiz were without Antawn Jamison, and for much of the game, Caron Butler due to a bruised knee (OMG/WTF) -- no need to panic folks.
No, really. (Well, aside from being a worried Marge Simpson-esque mother at Butler's knee thing).
The only two guys with a positive plus/minus were Miller (+7) and Oberto (+7) ... those two also saw bench action with foul trouble. Go figure.
So what do you want to blame and where do you want to vent?
The answer to the latter is easy ... here at Bullets Forever. The answer to the former? Not so easy.
Sure, there were a lot of factors. But personally, the most frustrating was probably the point guard play. Arenas racked up seven turnovers and Randy Foye still has trouble running the offense.
Take it away folks.
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I disagree!
To me the most frustrating thing was Brendan Haywood’s game. He was pretty much a non-entity defensively, hogged the ball on offense and didn’t rebound much early on. He finished with a -11, and Al Horford is a tough cover, but despite Haywood’s 19-9-2 line I thought he was at the center of a lot of their problems tonight.
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That wasn't meant to be a pun.
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I think
McGee’s shot blocking presence really made a difference defensively. But all the big men had their problems blocking out it seemed.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions
Its only the 2nd game
and then Butler goes down…
re:butler
wasnt gilberts injury a “bruised knee” the night of
really?
but he came back to the game, Butler didnt. Oh well, hope he can play tomorrow
No, Gil's injury looked way worse
Caron walked off to the bench. Gil was on the floor for a while.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
tonight was the night we needed jamison
much better matchup against hawks with jamison
Wiz never got in sync
Primarily because Gil couldn’t get a call, and was out of sync himself.
Biggest dissapointments: 1) Nick Young 2) substitution of DS in the 1st quarter violating the rule of having 3 scorers on the floor at all times.
Encouraging results: 1) team was competitive on an off-night without AJ and CB. 2) Blatche played hard and had a decent game. 3) McGee can contribute and should get 10 minutes a game.
NJ is a better opportunity to get some chemistry going.
fab and miller picking up 3 early fouls
plus caron going out doomed the team. made gilbert press a little, things went downhill from there.
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Oct 30, 2009 10:48 PM EDT reply actions
non-aggression pact
the wiz just didnt look aggressive. they didnt push the ball enough, and did a lot of scrambling on defense.
i stepped away for a few minutes while mcgee was hot as hell in the fourth, then came back and no mcgee. seemed like he was bringing that “energy off the bench” everyone talks about, but he either couldnt sustain it or flip wanted a change. either way, mcgee gave a spark and the rest couldnt fan the flames to get it goin.
overall, crappy defense down low, missed shots, weird lineups, very frustrating to watch. hope tuff juice is ok, we need to be careful on D not to get in trouble early, and keep mcgee in while he is composed.
and memo to mike miller: you get paid to shoot, not pass.
The foul trouble killed us
Completely SHATTERED the offensive rythm in the 1st quarter. Look at the box score. We matched the hawks in every single category except free throws. I still think we’re the better team.
We should have the depth to step up and combat foul trouble
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Well
maybe I’m too much a homer -but overcoming foul trouble with a team as deep as the Wizards was not really the problem….
But the HUGE Free Throw disparity was a problem. In the first half, while Atlanta built their biggest lead of the game (they lead 58-44 at the half), the Hawks shot 21 Free Throws to the Wizards 6… That’s 6 total free throws, with Arenas hitting the floor every other time down the court. Granted, the Hawks shot 51% in the first half – but Gilbert was being aggressive and not getting any calls. And don’t tell me it’s because the Hawks were more aggressive on Offense – because Gilbert, Foye, Miller and Butler were all driving to the hoop, with no calls.
In the second half, the Free Throws were more even (Hawks 13, Wiz 12)….. as Gil, Foye, Miller and Blatche finally got some calls (9 fouls drawn)….
The Hawks shot 51% in the first half, and only 32.5% in the second. Defense was much better in the second half – and we finally saw some match-up zone. Surprisingly, Nick Young had a pretty good 13 minutes defensively, causing 2 turn overs, drawing 2 fouls, and generally sticking with his man – unfortunately, he couldn’t hit a shot.
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Hawks shot 91% at the line
and had 12 more attempts. That was the game. We beat them if it’s more even. Didn’t help that Caron went down either. Why aren’t these guys wearing protection on their knees?
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
Some thoughts
I think Butler bruised his knee diving after that loose ball and calling the time out.
Horrible officiating. Couldn’t get Donaghy’s words out of my head while watching the refs blow call after call.
McG had spectacular plays and mundane mistakes. Getting 2 points on an amazing lob is great, but really doesn’t count for much if you lose your man and allow an easy 2 on the other end.
NY had the worst defensive play of the season. The ghost of Juan Dixon made him reach out towards Johnson who was obviously going to easily score on the fast break, turning 2 points into 3 points.
NY gets his chance to show something and he lays an egg.
The rest of Nick’s 13 minutes- he played excellent defense….. and I really didn’t see any foul on that play (and I ran it over 3 or 4 times on my DVR looking for it)….
He drew 2 fouls, contested 4 shots, and caused 2 turn overs; including one where he moved his feet, got in front of his man, and should have got the Offensive Foul (charging) that was actually called traveling – I thought of Donaghy’s words on that call as well……..
And I’m wondering what Gil did to piss off that Officiating crew last night…. or maybe they had a bet to see who could go the longest without calling a foul for Arenas.
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By the way...
Even though Nick was 0-7 in the first half….. Flip saw effort and commitment on the Defensive end, and started him in the 3rd quarter… I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that despite the lousy shooting night, Flip may have still been pleased with Nick’s development on the Defensive end.
We’ll see today, if Nick gets pine time, or more run……….
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