Open Thread: Washington Wizards vs. Atlanta Hawks, Regular Season Game 2
by Mike Prada on Oct 30, 2009 5:35 PM EDT
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Washington Wizards at Atlanta Hawks, Oct 30, 2009 7:30 PM EDT
The Essentials:
Wizards (1-0) vs. Hawks (1-0)
7:30 p.m.
Phillips Arena
TV: CSN
Radio: 106.7 The Fan
Notable Hawks numbers last season
13th in expected winning percentage (.556)
24th in pace (89.6 possessions per game)
10th in offensive efficiency/offensive rating (109.3)
12th in defensive efficiency/defensive rating (107.6)
Pre-game links
Peachtree Hoops, SB Nation's Atlanta Hawks blog
Hoopinion, a Hawks blog
Peachtree Hoops game thread
Hawks Blog with Sekou Smith, one of the best newspaper beat writers this game has
Wizards Insider: The Other Side: Atlanta Hawks
Competition Discussion: Atlanta Hawks
Peachtree Hoops game preview
GameDay Atlanta
| Tonight's Projected Starters | ||
|---|---|---|
| Wizards | vs. | Hawks |
| Gilbert Arenas |
PG | Mike Bibby |
| Mike Miller |
SG | Joe Johnson |
| Caron Butler | SF | Marvin Williams |
| Fabricio Oberto |
PF | Josh Smith |
| Brendan Haywood | C | Al Horford |
As a reminder, I will be engaging in a live chat tonight on ComcastSportsNet.com. Click here for more information on that. Obviously, I think you should all participate in the game thread here, but feel free to also go over there and ask me some questions. Kyle will manage tonight's thread tonight while I chat on ComcastSportsNet.com.
Tonight's a pretty big early-season test, as the Wizards head into the house of the team many feel they will be competing with for the fourth spot in the East. Atlanta's the incumbent, having secured that spot by several games last year. They return all their key players and have added Jamal Crawford, Joe Smith and the rookie Jeff Teague to their bench. They're definitely a tough out, particularly at home.
Some observations about the Hawks, gleaned from watching their season-opening win over Indiana and from the other times I've watched them over the years.
- I've never been Joe Johnson's biggest fan, but the guy is a really tricky cover. He's crafty once he gets into the lane and changes speeds very well. However, much like his old teammate Steve Nash, Johnson is really dangerous if you allow him to pick you apart with his passing. When he drives, he's much better at drawing defenders and setting up others than he is at finishing. It's going to be very important for the Wizards to not overhelp, because that's exactly what Johnson wants. He'll pause in the lane until the defense comes to him, then feed someone else. Atlanta's entire offense kind of depends on Johnson's passing, so I say you make him score and shoot a lot of shots to get his points. If he hits a bunch, you live with it, if it means others aren't getting involved.
- Josh Smith is going to be a really tough cover. He completely overwhelmed the Pacers with his quickness and strength, even as they laid off him daring to shoot. In the past, he might have taken the bait, but he didn't do that against Indiana. The Wizards are going to have a lot of trouble if they put Fabricio Oberto on him.
- Al Horford is one of those guys who gives Brendan Haywood trouble because of his ability to step out and shoot. However, on the other end, Atlanta's one of the worst defensive rebounding teams in the league, so Haywood should have plenty of offensive rebounding opportunities if he aggressively goes after the ball.
- Like Dallas, Atlanta's perimeter defense against quick point guards is awful. Mike Bibby is too slow, and Jamal Crawford is just an abysmal defender in all respects. Luther Head was making moves and dropping points on him the other night. Once again, Gilbert Arenas needs to be aggressive.
- Maybe this was just what I saw yesterday, but the Hawks were always hanging around in the backcourt trying to steal outlet passes against the Pacers the other night. Mike Bibby and Smith were the primary offenders. Indiana wasn't ready for it and committed 25 turnovers, so the Wizards need to be careful. If they are, they could get many transition opportunities.
- Jeff Teague is actually a pretty good player. Was impressed by him in the Indiana game.
My keys to the game:
- Gilbert Arenas needs to stay aggressive going at Bibby.
- Whoever guards Joe Johnson needs to lay off him and make him shoot from the outside. If he does get in the paint, make sure Brendan Haywood is really the only guy helping much. Make Johnson a scorer, not a passer.
- Crash the offensive boards, but smartly. Atlanta is slow-paced, but that's because their half-court offense is very deliberate. They'll run off misses and convert transition opportunities.
- Corral Josh Smith. This is where Andray Blatche really needs to be smart and build on his big game against Dallas. Smith can be contained if you're smart, but you have to be both disciplined and quick.
- Attack their bench. I imagine we'll see Randy Foye and Jamal Crawford matched up with each other. If so, Foye really needs to spend a lot of time attacking Crawford off the dribble. Normally, I wouldn't advocate this, but Crawford really is a brutal defender.
- Keep Zaza Pachulia off the offensive glass. If I were Flip, I'd match up Oberto with Pachulia, because Oberto's the superior box-out guy. Pachulia's offensive rebounds really energize the crowd there.
- Don't help off Mike Bibby. Gilbert, I'm looking at you!
Game starts at 7:30. GO WIZARDS!
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3 Things I'm looking at
1. Perimeter defense – Johnson, Bibby, and Crawford = yikes. Can we close out on those guys?
2. Is Oberto really starting? Because matched up with Smith/Horford, this could be a nightmare game for him. This seems like another great game for 7-Day to make an impact.
3. Building off point two – how much McGee are we going to see tonight? The Hawks are really athletic, and they are one of those teams that I think would be a great matchup for him. I would like to see him return the favor on Josh Smith at least once.
Yay Wizards!
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
by ledellforlife on Oct 30, 2009 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mcgee
I think he will get at least 10-15 minutes tonight. Its all about matchup’s with our depth, and tonight favors Javale. I think Oberto could give a guy like Horford some trouble. Al is a position and strength guy, not quicks and jump shooting. They are both about 6-10 245.
by forthepeople on Oct 30, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Dirk would be a "nightmare" for Oberto
And he really wasn’t.
I know that Josh Smith is much more athletic … and I share your same concern……
But if the guy is starting, I’m giving him a chance.
We will see.
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smart Wizards
I think the key is to play smart. The Hawks have to be one of the top three most athletic teams in the league. They are definitely not one of the top three team however. If we play smart we can work them.
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Evening guys
I couldn’t stop laughing at that Hawks video. So cheesy.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Oct 30, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That video is so . . .
chessy, so 80’s and so awesome! And it’s a great artifact. Remember kiddies when Mike Fratello had a team that didn’t bore fans to tears and make you wish you could stick an icepick in your eye! Yes children, Mike Fratello coached the Hawks in the 1980s and they were exciting. And is it me or did NBA coaches have a lot more personality in the 80s then they do now. Maybe its just those old highlight videos they showed on ESPN a lot when I was a kid.
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by George Templeton on Oct 30, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is going to be a fast game
Alot of fast breaks tonight I believe. These are two of the fastest teams in the league in my opinion. We are going to have to contain Al Thornton pretty well to pull this one out. Who is the best match-up for Thronton?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Oct 30, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hawks play pretty slow actually
24th in pace. Flip’s also traditionally a slow-paced coach. We’ll see though.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Oct 30, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you mean Al Horford?
If so, then Haywood probably, maybe Blatche.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited
I get to watch this on my TV through the magic of free League Pass.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Question to ponder
Is Jeff Teague more Gilbert Arenas than Gilbert Arenas?
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by JakeTheSnake on Oct 30, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Gilbert getting boos in Atlanta?
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
God I love Oberto's hustle.
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweet 3 Gilbert!
Good first 3:30 minutes!
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by George Templeton on Oct 30, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
z
12 straight points, music to my ears
by Fundefined on Oct 30, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hawks are doing a good job running the guards off screens
Miller in particular seems to have gotten caught trailing fairly often.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We look so composed
It’s not like we were down by a lot or anything, but I was impressed by how composed we stayed after missing our first couple shots, turned it over.
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by Gilbert4SpaceJam2 on Oct 30, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sweet
what a start. arenas looks in control
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well .. there goes the 1st Oberto vs. Josh Smith moment.....
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did he get posterized?
I’m at work, so I can’t see the game.
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by JakeTheSnake on Oct 30, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Naw ... just a dribble drive and Fab fouled Smith.
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats still good d
by oberto. and sweet pass to miller
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I thought that pass was to Caron. What a fake out to Haywood
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Oct 30, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love
Mike Miller
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
by ledellforlife on Oct 30, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haywood trying to do too much?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Oct 30, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gilbert too good
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Oct 30, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Hawks need to stop switching
that’s twice Arenas has hit a shot over Josh Smith.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone named their basketball blog Stop Switching?
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
philly will have one
before this year is over
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Oct 30, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
{pause}
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I think I prefer
Them to keep doing what they’re doing.
by bigrm18 on Oct 30, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well sure, I don't personally have a problem with it
but you know, if they want to stay in the game.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well
I think I’d prefer them to not stay in the game, but maybe it’s just me.
by bigrm18 on Oct 30, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atlanta switches everything
That’s their default strategy.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Oct 30, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gil
is eating up the whole hawks team on offense. I guess he’s waiting for the second half for defense.
by forthepeople on Oct 30, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oberto is always going to pick up fouls ... but that's ok
He’s only going to play 20 mins a game tops.
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haywood has shot
every time he has touched the ball
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even though the pass was late
Miller has got to look for the shot there. Haywood with the baseline 12 footer = no bueno
by mfish on Oct 30, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice airball Haywood
Screw the Hoops Whisperer … where’s Dave Hopla?
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a great job by Mike Miller
to come forward a little bit to get that pass. Otherwise that could’ve been a steal and a dunk.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haywood now has two shots
which have resulted in points for the hawks
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We're fouling them
Every time down the court
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am shocked by how good
Mike Miller is. I always just thought of him as a shooter. He is really a smart player who brings so much chemistry.
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I knew this … sorta …but am seeing it more and more every day.
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flip Saunders ALWAYS has a good out of bounds play
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he was voted by GM's
as the most underrated pickup of the summer.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 8:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thought I hit reply
that was a comment about Mike Miller obviously.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can Haywood not rebound
when he is looking for his offense. He’s got 0 so far.
by forthepeople on Oct 30, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What's up with Haywood's rebounding?
I know Miller has taken a few away from his teammates, but there have been some that Haywood’s just not gotten.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the wrist is still bothering him a little bit
It would explain his poor FT shooting as well so far this season. Then again, I can’t see the game right now, so I can’t say for sure without seeing how he’s missing these rebounds.
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by JakeTheSnake on Oct 30, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense
Earlier he passed up an opportunity to get down on the floor and compete for the ball, and it looked to me like he was trying to avoid getting hurt. Of course, it led to an Atlanta fast break.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A bad defensive set
followed by a bad offensive one. Very sloppy at the moment.
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by George Templeton on Oct 30, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stevenson & Blatche ....
Not the ideal duo to defend a pick & roll by Jamal Crawford & Josh Smith
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
New rule
Stevenson doesn’t bring the ball up anymore. That was awful.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Atdhe
Went out for me. Is it working for anyone else?
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nba.com
league pass is free till Nov. 2
by Fundefined on Oct 30, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawks have an 11-2 free throw disparity.
The Wizards need to get smarter on defense.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gilbert Arenas has a 4 turnover disparity.
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gil's 0 FT
Can’t be true. He is going to press the refs in the second half.
by forthepeople on Oct 30, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NY sighting!
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nick Young sighting!
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by JakeTheSnake on Oct 30, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A Foye/NY backcourt is something I'm pretty suspicious of
by mfish on Oct 30, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
You think Caron can play some point forward with this lineup?
by forthepeople on Oct 30, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick needs to play defense
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by Rook6980 on Oct 30, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes Rook ... and the economy needs to get better
:)
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
league pass gives me local blackout
is there a way around this. I was watching on atdhe and it went out
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You don't get Comcast?
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
....if you're local...
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm blacked out too
Can’t find it on my tv – don’t have cable.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://rwbsports.com/ch3.html
Try this. It’s working for me.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blatche has his own version of the Crab Dribble now.
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i hate being that guy
but this refereeing is ridicuous
by ianflo on Oct 30, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You're "being that guy"
It’s sooooo not the refs.
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know i am
that’s me trying to compensate for how sloppy we look at the moment..
but that charge on gil was a little picky.
by ianflo on Oct 30, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that were LeBron instead of Gilbert Arenas – it would have been a Flagrant 1
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by Rook6980 on Oct 30, 2009 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
fouls are a problem
fab and miller were playing pretty well.
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by little stevie colter on Oct 30, 2009 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
atdhe is working again
for that other dude in my situation
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn. Did y'all see Blatche fight for that board?
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He really does seem like a different player
by Matt K. on Oct 30, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish they had taken video of Blatche during his late night session with Cassell.
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by JakeTheSnake on Oct 30, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But why didn't Haywood
block his man out? Blatche souldn’t have had to fight.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems pretty clear
that Haywood is focusing on his offense tonight. He has the most FGAs in the game, only two rebounds.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haywood has the laziest left hand I’ve seen
by Fundefined on Oct 30, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haywood has that highschool
travel, You know, the two slow steps they never let you get away with in varsity ball.
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wiz really do need to start getting to the free throw line
by Matt K. on Oct 30, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe it woulda been better off wit the d-league refs afterall
by ianflo on Oct 30, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evidently Caron Butler headed to the locker room with what could be a knee issue.
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh no!
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by George Templeton on Oct 30, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where's Mike Miller?
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but his replacements haven't played well at all.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gil has 6 TO's at the half now
when we had 10 total against DAL
by ianflo on Oct 30, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
our starting 5
played great. oberto and miller both got into foul trouble early and it hasnt been the same since
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So – Jamal Crawford can slide all over the floor… not get called
But Gilbert Arenas doesn’t get room enough to turn around – and he gets called for traveling?
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by Rook6980 on Oct 30, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
But the Wizards haven’t looked very good
by Matt K. on Oct 30, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The refs weren't very friendly to us
But the defense still stinks
by mfish on Oct 30, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So...
When do we start the “FIRE FLIP!” chants?
:D
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by JakeTheSnake on Oct 30, 2009 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The first time Mike James sees the floor?
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they can come back
dont even say the word “fire.”
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 8:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am just concerned about Caron
that would kill morale if he is out
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think more than our morale would be in some trouble if Caron is out...
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by Gilbert4SpaceJam2 on Oct 30, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
understatement
"a crab dribble is when you travel" - caron butler
by little stevie colter on Oct 30, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ironically
The team is better equipped to survive his absence than at any other point, but yes, losing Caron for any extended time would deal a huge blow to the morale and overall performance of the team.
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by JakeTheSnake on Oct 30, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't heard yet
I’m at work, so I’m following the game through the comments.
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by JakeTheSnake on Oct 30, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Miller
How do we get Miller more shots. With Twan out he’s supposed to pick up some of the offensive load. Especially against teams like atl with a big 2 guard, Foye will have a harder time being a scorer.
by forthepeople on Oct 30, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It may not be that simple
He became very passive his last year in Minnesota, focusing more on rebounding and assists and passing up a lot of shots. A little like his first half tonight.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all seriousness
It will be interesting to see what adjustments Flip makes at halftime. I think we’ll learn a bit about Flip’s coaching strategies tonight.
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by JakeTheSnake on Oct 30, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah but it's going to be tough
with caron out
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by little stevie colter on Oct 30, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Caron Has a Bruised Knee
Say the announcers
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Officials trying to make up the foul differential in the first few minutes of the 2nd half
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by Rook6980 on Oct 30, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nope
Coach Winters: Mississippi State's offensive set. 2nd & 2 on our own 24, what defensive set might we call?
Alvin Mack: Eagle Zipper Hero, unless the setback shifts into the I.
Coach Winters: Good..[clicks to next slide], third and seven?
Alvin Mack: Oakie Thunder Lion. {What's your assignment?}
Alvin Mack: Kill the quarterback. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Hit the tight end so hard his girlfriend dies. {{Coach Winters clicks to next slide}}
Alvin Mack: Kill everybody.
by KDP on Oct 30, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Nick Young ... Foul the damn guy if you're going to foul him.
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's looking to be aggressive
Glad he passed up that three.
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are they really booing Gilbert
or are they just showing some objectionable picture on the scoreboard?
by Aldo on Oct 30, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Look at Nick Young moving his feet out there...
by Matt K. on Oct 30, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Time for him
to sit.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trying to remember
When the last time that Gilbert was the only surviving member of the Big 3. Has it ever happened?
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by JakeTheSnake on Oct 30, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nick Young = Yuck
Put Foye in … play Mike James if you have to
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't that send the wrong message?
Wasn’t one of the problems with Young last year that he was afraid to get yanked if he didn’t immediately start scoring? I think keeping him in on an off night (in the second game of the season) if it helps him learn that he needs to contribute in other ways if his shot isn’t falling.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree
But shooting 0-7 is just terrible
by Matt K. on Oct 30, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't need to score
But he does need to play better
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But scoring is his best attribute
What else does he really bring to the table?
by Matt K. on Oct 30, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not much at the moment
but he can’t work on other stuff if he’s not out there.
Besides which, if Foye goes in now, that means he likely stays on the court when Arenas goes out, which in turn means that Arenas likely would be replaced by Young again, and the Foye/Young backcourt didn’t work in the first half.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woah there
I wouldn’t go that far.
"...at some point, when u r screaming for more minutes for Pecherov, you have to ask yourselves this question: 'If you keep adding more pineapple to a 'Papa Johns Pizza with Pineapple', when does it become a Papa Johns Pineapple with Pizza???'"
by Gilbert4SpaceJam2 on Oct 30, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have randy foye
why play 0 for 7 young
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Memo to Young
Every brick builds a wall between the doghouse and the palace of good play, Nick.
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by JakeTheSnake on Oct 30, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know NY is having a bad game
but Haywood is doing an awful job covering Horford.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What's the Wiz record when Brendan is the leading scorer?
I’m going to guess 0-3.
by Aldo on Oct 30, 2009 9:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I remember him scoring 25 against the Bulls once and they won two years ago
Other than that, I think you’re probably right.
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by JakeTheSnake on Oct 30, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yo
It’s quiet on Comcast now. Anyone want to hijack that thread?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Oct 30, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We are getting to the line
I know foye just bricked a three but I like how aggressive he has come out
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully Minnesota comes back and beats the Cavs
While we come back and beat the Hawks
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Loved that
alley oop
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's EPIC VALE y'all
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
goddamit gilbert
stop with the reckless drives for a while
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by little stevie colter on Oct 30, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gilbert isn't attacking in a composed manner.
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He might be trying to up the team's free throws by himself
which isn’t working at all.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does this when he gets frustrated.
It’s sometimes effective.
by Aldo on Oct 30, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ref who called that foul on JaVale's block had a HORRIBLE angle
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
miller's MUST start trying to score here
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by little stevie colter on Oct 30, 2009 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how I feel about this whole "Blatche making his jumpers" thing.
He’s looked good, but I’m worried it might lead to overconfidence.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice effort by him
on the loose ball there
But I agree about the jumpers.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as he hustles
like for that board
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blatche earned these FTs wi hustle.
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Atlanta announcers
are clowning Stevenson. And not without reason.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you have them too?? im cool wit nique. im not liking this other guy so much.
by ianflo on Oct 30, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? I think 'Nique
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
's pretty bad
(I don’t know why it did that)
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
idk, for the most part its felt like nique has been trying to be objective to me, while the other guy is doing the typical homer announcer thing. kinda like phil and buckhantz
by ianflo on Oct 30, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JaVale McGee crazy y'all
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Still within 10, it could have been much worse.
by Fundefined on Oct 30, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did what we needed to in the 3rd
Within 9.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Plus
both Smith’s and Pachulia have 4 fouls
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Carlos
You’re new to these threads, so no problem, but you should be clicking the “reply” button when you’re responding to a specific post. It’s how you can follow all the sub-conversations.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Oct 30, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
where's prada when we need his fire and brimstone
the power of christ compels you, mike miller!!! SHOOOOOOT IT!
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by little stevie colter on Oct 30, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
We need a spark on offense. Miller and McGee.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!
(Someone with photoshop skills needs to do something with this).
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Oct 30, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miller
better not let some woman cut his hair!
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you.
you seem to be the only one he listens to.
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by little stevie colter on Oct 30, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me
or is it a scary thing when JaVale has the ball. It is either great or not so great
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's always great
entertainment
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Mike Miller!!!
You’re almost to the f-ing rim!! Don’t pass it out to Blatche!!!
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Miller can dunk. Athletic white man instead.
by Fundefined on Oct 30, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
McGee should've gone for that rebound
instead of letting Josh Smith get it and then try for the block.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"hey its good when i shoot"
love, Mike Miller.
by ianflo on Oct 30, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope
He keeps having great practices, so Saunders let’s him play.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JaVale's per minute alley-oops have to be off the charts
by Aldo on Oct 30, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BWOODS
This should be one of your stats
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
VAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would never have guessed
that a Foye/Stevenson/Miller/Blatche/McGee lineup would start to close the gap.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I definitely
Would have to agree with you on that one.
by bigrm18 on Oct 30, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah seems like anyone on their team can hit those
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by little stevie colter on Oct 30, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be nice
If anyone on our team could defend it…
by bigrm18 on Oct 30, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hibachi shoulda taken his time on that one.
Crap Marvin Williams, Crap.
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by Truth About It on Oct 30, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
we got it close, but never close enough
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Would have been interesting
If 0 made that three
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 point game...no...11 point game
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We haven't played well enough
to win this game. If we do somehow pull it out, then lookout Eastern Conference.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They've had what 5
offensive rebounds this quarter?
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh come on, Haywood
It was pretty obvious he was going to pump-fake it..
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh no
Hawks announcers just called dagger
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah in a real dick-ish way too
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by little stevie colter on Oct 30, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one
Has the class of Buckhantz
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ive officially had enough of their announcers.
by ianflo on Oct 30, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha - yep.
got it muted now as well
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by little stevie colter on Oct 30, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blatche's defense has been pretty bad this quarter
Oberto?
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
all i can think is that they play tomorrow
maybe resting guys.
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by little stevie colter on Oct 30, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The D got lazy
way to much switching for no reason.
by forthepeople on Oct 30, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
honestly...
i dont feel like they were that much better than us. Consider
Gil =sub par game
Butler = out
Jamison = out
And nobody else really had a good game
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haywood just tapped the ball to Horford.
Sigh.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Javale did...
you are right…but he only played a quarter. Third string centers aren’t usually enough to get you over a playoff team.
and we can still pull this out
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yea, but it was ehh games from eryone else.
by ianflo on Oct 30, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NY - Charlotte
In double OT
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha. prolly as competitve as the redskins raiders game will be.
by ianflo on Oct 30, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arenas just gathered
The “troops” into a semi-circle and actually looked like a leader.
by bigrm18 on Oct 30, 2009 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's just
keep talking as if game over
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darn
And one
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
too late
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by little stevie colter on Oct 30, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have to start playing defense for that to happen.
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well this is the cold water of reality game
"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Oct 30, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, Jamison and Caron
Are out, and almost everyone that did play had an average game at best, so I wouldn’t say it’s 100% reality.
by bigrm18 on Oct 30, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately the reality part might be
that the injury fairy will not leave us alone again!
"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Oct 30, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
the guards were ppor on offense. We didn’t do a good job blocking out on D. And we need to start running plays for Mike Miller
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, it's not that simple.
Miller isn’t shooting the ball when he gets the opportunity
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by Jon L on Oct 30, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why
I think we need to run some plays for him. Dual purpose: it’s harder to pass up a shot when the point was to get you open, and it lets him know he can be a focal player on offense.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
any more news on Butler?
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by little stevie colter on Oct 30, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not at all...
this is having two all stars out and almost…a superstar with 7 turnovers…and almost pulling it out game.
by Carlos Returns on Oct 30, 2009 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
didn't think it would be easy in atlata....
[Aside] I have the bulls celtics in warsaw and don’t tell me the bulls don’t miss ben gordon…
the caron thing is VERY worrying.
by khrabb on Oct 30, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i do not believe too much in this years bulls team
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by little stevie colter on Oct 30, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
the statistician that True Hoop profiled was very high on Gordon and said the Bulls would miss him tremendously.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 30, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whats the stat
on how many times brendans touched the ball and did not pass it
by ianflo on Oct 30, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't have
The exact stat, but I believe it’s pretty high.
by bigrm18 on Oct 30, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
POST GAME THREAD UP FOLKS
Talk about the game there.
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