The official DeJuan Blair sour grapes thread (don't read if you're tired of this topic)
In his first NBA game action, DeJuan Blair played 23 minutes, scored 14 points on 7-10 shooting (70%), grabbed 11 rebounds and dished out 3 assists.
Spurs Coach Greg Popovich inserted Blair with 1:40 left to play in the 1st quarter and the game tied at 13. The Rookie paid immediate dividends by scoring 2 points and grabbing 2 rebounds even before the quarter ended.... Giving Spurs fans hope that he might actually be able to grab a rebound for every minute of play.
Beastman, as the Spurs fans have taken to calling Blair, scored 6 points, snagged 6 rebounds and 1 assist in a little over 5 and a half minutes before he was replaced by Tim Duncan at 7:47 of the second period - with the San Antonio Spurs enjoying a 31-16 lead.
The Wizard's, who received $2.5 Million for their 2009 second round draft pick (#32 overall), played their season opener yesterday. However their stack of cash never entered the game - and was a non-factor in their win over the Dallas Mavericks.
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You know I so want to beat this dead horsie!!
But I will refrain from further comments at this time…
by formula0 on Oct 28, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you but, ...
Our stack of cash gave Dirk fits on defense!
by Manimal Smith on Oct 28, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you can do this all year
and i won’t get tired of it. i watched him play a bunch in college where he dominated all comers in big east play. 265, built like a tree trunk, red-line motor, great touch – i’m sure that won’t translate in the nba.
so what if he doesn’t play even have a 5 year career? there are gonna be 4 damn productive years in that span. how much is oberto costing this year an next? nick young?
by chrisrdowd on Oct 28, 2009 11:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Funny thing is.....
We could have had Blair for the same price they’re paying Paul Davis…..
Paul Davis?
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by Rook6980 on Oct 29, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
erm
I don’t think thats true. We are paying Davis the non-vet minimum (I assume and also only partially guaranteed). Blair is making something like 900k.
by Manimal Smith on Oct 29, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2.5 million
boy, you really know how to twist you some facts
by MR on Oct 29, 2009 6:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blair is a first year rookie
The minimum first year rookie salary is roughly $450K ….. Had the Wizards drafted Blair, they could have offered him a 1-year contract starting at $457,588 (with two team option years)
Davis has played 3 years in the League, so his minimum salary THIS YEAR is $825,497 (or roughly what DeJuan would have cost the Wizards in salary and tax THIS YEAR)….
San Antonio wanted to tie up Blair for 3 or more years… Hence they were willing to pay him more for a 2-year GUARANTEED contract… with two team option years To get those extra years, Blair’s agent negotiated a larger starting salary – but that doesn’t mean that the Wizards would have done the same thing. You assume they would have paid Blair $850K, just because the Spurs did…. The Wizards have shown in the past that they normally sign their 2nd round picks to a 1-year contract , with 2 Team options at the rookie minimum scale, or $457K. That’s what they gave Dominic McGuire – That’s what they paid Andray Blatche – and I assume that’s what they would have done with Blair.
And yes, perhaps I should have said they could have had Blair for the same CONTRACT as Davis ….
The whole point of this post was to compare the relative production of the two “assets” the Wizards and Spurs got from their transactions. The Wizards used their 2nd round pick to get a stack of cash. ($2.5 Million). The Spurs drafted the best College rebounder to come out in the last 20 years.
I don’t think I’m twisting facts…. As a fan, what would you rather have on the team right now? A low post power player that is a beast on the boards – a player that has a proven NBA skill ? OR, a stack of cash, sitting in Abe’s pocket?
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by Rook6980 on Oct 29, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or a stack of cash sitting in Oberto’s pocket.
by Johnnie Futbol on Oct 29, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean a stack of cash used to pay the over the cap tax which the Wiz are thanx to Davis and Oberto. hmmm….
by bigity b on Nov 2, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If only Abe wasn't cheap, then he'd be
willing to go $30 mill over the cap and make us a true contender.
by ronoD nagrO on Oct 29, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d have to say Steph Curry has to be the front runner for ROY winning the job in GS. Griffin should put up some great numbers when he’s back. Thabeet really impressed me in Richmond defensively, what a natural shot blocker.
by pas493 on Oct 30, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good call on Curry, though I think Griffin will have to be out for much of the season to manage to lose. I’d through in Flynn, who is going to get a ton of opportunity.
I think they are all more likely than Blair, but there’s a great chance that Blair will be the best and most valuable rookie. Those other guys are all starters, though, and there is next to no chance that Blair will have a starting job this year. It would be very hard for a non-starter to win the award while other guys are getting huge minutes and shots.
by bwoodsxyz on Oct 30, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jennings
Watch out for Jennings. Something inside of me wants this kid to dominate. I love the ‘80s style haircut, the failing of the SAT’s, and the trash-talking of Rubio.
He almost pulled an Oscar in his debut, only one assist and rebound away from a triple double in his NBA debut. Only Oscar has done that. 2 good games don’t mean much, but his coach is certainly singing his praises. Watch out, this kid could be for real.
My swag was phenomenal.
by se7en on Nov 3, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Jennings move of going to Europe to play
Will become a more regular thing for high basketball player that don’t want to go to class in college or struggle with the testing to get eligible.
"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Nov 3, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really do hope so
One and done kids are the bane on my existence. College basketball has never been the same since the NBA turned it into there testing ground.
by ccrun1800 on Nov 3, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone posted this in the Post’s Wizard Insider.
Blair’s Learning Curve
By Graydon Gordian
TrueHoop Network
The hype surrounding DeJuan Blair reached a fever pitch after the rookie scored 14 points and grabbed 11 rebounds in his pro debut against the Hornets on Wednesday. After Thursday’s loss to the Bulls, fans’ expectations for Blair may have come back down to Earth.
Before we collectively overreact in the opposite direction, let’s be clear: six points and four rebounds in 12 minutes is a respectable line for a guy who has played a grand total of two NBA games. But the exuberance Spurs’ fans felt after his line on opening night masked some of the weaknesses that were more easily identifiable this evening. And by weaknesses, I am primarily referring to his defense.
Before the game, Gregg Popovich said every aspect of Blair’s game except rebounding needs improvement. And, like nearly every aspect of his game except rebounding, he is far from his ceiling as a defender. He has a preternatural sense of spacing that lends itself to the complicated rotation defenses Popovich require. And he has the core body strength to be physical without being foul prone.
But as things currently stand, he is both physical and foul prone. He plays far too much defense with his hands, and far too little with his feet and chest. His unbelievably long reach only exacerbates the problem. Once he commits himself to the necessity of lateral movement, his length will be an asset. Currently, his 7’ 3" wingspan serves as a crutch.
Certainly Blair’s defensive struggles aren’t for lack of effort. If anything, a more tempered approach might do the rookie some good.
by Johnnie Futbol on Oct 30, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's the link
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-091029
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by Mike Prada on Oct 30, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s been two games…I repeat two games.
I mean if you want to go off small sample sizes, Andray Blatche will be an all star this year and Ty Lawson beats out Blair for the ROTY.
by Buddha Brown on Oct 30, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And the Cavs go 0-82
Go small sample sizes!!!
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by kseandoyle on Oct 30, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't that stack of cash pay for Oberto?
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
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by kseandoyle on Oct 30, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You could assume that IF they hadn’t signed Paul Davis….
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by Rook6980 on Oct 30, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But since they signed him, and filled out the roster to 15 players
Then why decline to draft Blair? What is the BASKETBALL reasoning?
Davis is better than Blair? I hardly think so.
Blair’s knees? Please… if that were the case.. draft him, check out his knees all year – then decline the option after one year…
He wasn’t going to help the team THIS year? OK, I buy that… then drop McGee, Young and JaVaris Crittenton … because they won’t be helping much this year either.
NOPE – it’s all purely about the cash… I think the Wizards preferred the cash to Blair.
So I’m going to compare the contributions of both all year. Our cash, against Blair. We’ll see which one provides the most bang for the buck.
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by Rook6980 on Oct 30, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are they selling Cash replica jerseys yet?
by pas493 on Oct 30, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does Davis have to do with it?
The 2.5 million cash is what (maybe) went to Oberto.
Although I don’t know, I’m guessing that Davis’ contract is not guaranteed for the year, so if he is released when AJ comes back then he won’t cost much.
by MR on Oct 30, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's just stubborn
We couldn’t have signed Oberto if we didn’t have the cash to cover the luxury tax hit. Paul Davis has some minuscule, non-guaranteed contract; and he’s there until Jamison comes back, just to have a warm body in case sh** happens (which it often does for this team).
So the cash’s contribution: got us Oberto, who has started 3 games and posted great +/- numbers leading to a 2-1 record, helping us win despite the lack of two All-Star forwards.
DeJuan Blair’s contribution: Great first game, pretty sloppy second game, decent third game. Decent +/- Seems like any other talented rookie. He’ll have ups and downs. He’ll have some really good games and some really bad games.
And if, by the end of the year, his knees are injured, will you fault the cash for never having knees in the first place, or will that be a check mark in the cash’s column?
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by kseandoyle on Nov 3, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We couldn’t have signed Oberto if we didn’t have the cash to cover the luxury tax hit.
Why not? Why couldn’t the Wizards sign Blair AND then go out and sign Oberto? Nothing in the salary cap or Luxury Tax regulations against it. Everyone keeps telling me that the cash we got for the 32nd pick was used to get Oberto….. I already know that….
I HEREBY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I UNDERSTAND THE WIZARDS USED THE 2.5 MILLION THEY GOT FOR THE PICK TO SIGN OBERTO…… (all caps so that everyone will stop giving me the same argument)
But why didn’t the Wizards just say screw the cash, let’s draft Blair …… AND sign Oberto… ?
Because we don’t have Mark Cuban, Jerry Buss, Dan Gilbert, or Peter Holt as the owner.
Because the Wizards are operating under a budget; even if that budget allows them to go X amount over the lux tax…. it’s STILL a restriction
Because, despite what Ernie Grunfeld says, the Wizards (unlike some elite teams in the League) make some decisions based on financial rather than basketball reasons.
It would have cost them an additional $3.4 Million dollars this year to sign both Oberto and Blair (4.3% of the Wizards overall salary for 2009-2010) – That includes the $2.5 Million…. and Blair’s salary…. and Oberto’s salary…. and the tax hits for both…
The Lakers are far over the Luxury Tax… as are the Celtics, Dallas Mavericks, Cleveland Cavaliers, Boston Celtics, Orlando Magic, and the Utah Jazz….. Five of those teams have a legitimate shot at winning the Championship this year. It just so happens, those same five teams (Celtics, Cavs, Magic, Lakers and Spurs) are also listed by Las Vegas odds-makers as the favorites to win the NBA Championship. Did any of them sell their draft picks for cash?
The Cavaliers, Celtics, Spurs, Lakers and Magic managed to add quality players to their teams without stubbing their toes on the nickles and dimes….
DeJuan Blair’s contribution: Great first game, pretty sloppy second game, decent third game. Decent +/- Seems like any other talented rookie. He’ll have ups and downs. He’ll have some really good games and some really bad games.
I’ve watched all three of the San Antonio games so far this year. When Blair comes in, the energy goes through the roof. Sure, he makes mistakes… He turns the ball over too much, the result of being a Rookie in the NBA… He’s a terrible Free Throw shooter…. And he has some bad habits on defense, but he’s not terrible there (like Nick Young was his Rookie year)… {SMALL SAMPLE SIZE WARNING} but he’s averaging 16.1 ppg per 40 minutes, and 16.1 rpg per 40… Even when he has a poor scoring night, like on Saturday when he only scored 5 points – those points came in transition (like his steal and layup in the 3rd quarter) or on Offensive rebounds and put backs or Foul Shots. He’s not using SA’s regular possessions (17% usage rate)… he’s got a tremendous 24% rebound rate (Dwight Howard was 21.8% last year) and his PER is 19.1 – easily the best of the Rookie class so far.
and he picks up the crowd when he comes in… Remember, this is not a bottom dwelling organization. This is a first class team used to Winning with a capital W. Popovich seems to think Blair can help his “Championship” caliber team – he’s giving the Rookie 20 minutes a night…
And if, by the end of the year, his knees are injured, will you fault the cash for never having knees in the first place, or will that be a check mark in the cash’s column?
That would be a check mark in the stack of cash column….
On the other hand, if Blair makes it to the Rookie game at the All-Star break, will you put a check mark by his name and acknowledge that the Wizards made a financial decision (rather than a basketball decision) by selling the 34th pick?
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by Rook6980 on Nov 3, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are still making a huge assumption
That Blair just slots right in and puts up the same numbers he does there. Please tell me where does an undersized forward who cant pass doesn’t play defense and can’t create his own offense belong on this team. Oh yeah and hes a rookie. I am not saying that he doesn’t have a bright future in the league but how does he help us?
I have seen your arguments on how ernie could ( Salary/Luxury Cap ) have done it but answer this why should he have done it? With the formula that he layed out. With the lack of an experienced big men, a pre-breakout 7 day dray, why does he add another young big to this team? Passing on Blair had nothing to do with cash. We had not spot for him in the rotation nor did he feel any need with the singing of Oberto. Now onto some of your other points.
When Blair comes in, the energy goes through the roof. Sure, he makes mistakes… He turns the ball over too much
Doesn’t this remind you of someone already on our team -→ Javale Mcgee. How many hustle intangible energy guys do you want? Going into the season we had three young big men that we had no idea what they were going to give us in Blatche, Mcgee, and Mcguire. You add blair. Now we have four young inexperienced Bigs compared to three experienced ones ( BHW Antawn Oberto ) how is that a win now formula? ( Please don’t call Blatche experienced this is Pre 7 day dray. The Blatche I am referring to is the one that got slagged on this board for going to summer league)
The Lakers are far over the Luxury Tax… as are the Celtics, Dallas Mavericks, Cleveland Cavaliers, Boston Celtics, Orlando Magic, and the Utah Jazz….. Five of those teams have a legitimate shot at winning the Championship this year. It just so happens, those same five teams (Celtics, Cavs, Magic, Lakers and Spurs) are also listed by Las Vegas odds-makers as the favorites to win the NBA Championship. Did any of them sell their draft picks for cash?
- Lakers traded there first round pick ( toney douglas ) for a 2nd rounder and $3 million dollars
- Magic didn’t have a draft pick due to trades to bring in veterans like ernie did.
- Both players the crabbers drafted stayed in Europe
- The celtics drafted Lester hudson……who? Lets see what he is doing. Fun facts: He looks way older than his 25 years of age and he put up a Quad-Double in College.
- Utah drafted Eric Maynor and Goran Suton who is not even playing in the states.
- Both of the Mavs draftees are still in Europe.
Notice a trend. Teams in win now mode don’t attempt to plug there missing pieces with draft picks.
The Spurs traded away two of there hustle/intangible guys for Richard Jefferson. ( Oberto and Bowen ).The Spurs drafted Blair because they actually had a need for him.
p.s. After re-reading my post it comes off as harsh/in your face which is not my intention at all. I love all my fellow wiz fans.
p.p.s Please check Bradon Jennings numbers. This is the guy that will win rookie of the year.
by ccrun1800 on Nov 6, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Excelnt points ccrun1800… Everyone else here keeps saying they used the 32nd pick to get the cash to afford Oberto… therefore it was EITHER Blair OR Oberto….
You are the first one to put forth a basketball reason for not drafting Blair…. (ie: The Wizards don’t need a high hustle, intangibles energy guy….)
And that elite teams used their draft picks on (mostly) draft-and-stash European players… A valid point… one that I wish the Wizards had considered..
However, I believe that Blair is a little more than a “hustle, intangibles energy” guy.. After 6 games now (admittedly, still a small sample size, but steadily growing – - – - – and added to his already impressive College career, Summer League, and Pre-Season games) I think we’re starting to see that he has a legitimate NBA skill = Rebounding. Both Offensive rebounding and Defensive rebounding. He’s averaging over 16 boards per 40 minutes and has a rebounding rate 24% (Rebound Rate is the percentage of missed shots that a player rebounds)… That’s an extraordinarily high rebound rate…. especially for a 6’7" rookie PF. (Better than KG…. way better than Shaq…. even better than Dwight Howard… approaching Dennis Rodman territory…..)
He also scores the ball a little bit too… mostly on “hustle” points (Offensive rebounds, running the floor, etc…) without using up a lot of possessions (ie: efficient scoring…. 16 points per 40 minutes on 61% shooting)…
{sarcasm key turned on}
But – you’re probably right… The Wizards don’t need a rebounding beast that can get easy put-back baskets, keep possessions alive, and keep the opponents from extending their possessions …… After all, we got Oberto out of the deal, and his 4.8 rebounds per 40 minutes, and his 6.6% rebound rate. {sarcasm key turned off} :-)
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by Rook6980 on Nov 10, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Who would you rather have?
Blair or Oberto
by MR on Oct 30, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's a question of either, or....
they could have had BOTH – considering the fact they signed Paul Davis….. for approx the same money that they could have signed Blair for…
Now, perhaps MR is right – and Davis will be released when AJ comes back. Since we don’t know much about his contract status (is it guaranteed? , partially guaranteed? , non-guaranteed? ) it’s hard to determine. But if Paul Davis sticks – we should be asking the hard question – WHY ?
Why pass on Blair when the Wizards needed front court help? Why? Because it was not a basketball decision …!
Everyone knew that the Wizards were thin in the front court with Haywood, Blatche, McGee and Jamison as the only real front line players (I consider McGuire a wing)… Even if they wanted to sign another veteran big man (Oberto), it would have been nice to have another big body on the end of the bench… preferably a younger guy on a cheap contract.
Rather than draft Blair AND sign a vet…. Ernie thought he could get by with just signing a veteran for the minimum… save a few of Abe’s bucks…
The way this team racks up injuries – I just think it was a cheap move ….. and not one of Ernie Grunfeld’s wisest moves at that…..
Now, Jamison goes down… and the Wizards, who are already thin.. had to sign Paul Davis…
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by Rook6980 on Oct 30, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You keep forgetting
The Wiz got 2.5 million…money they were able to use to sign another player. It’s not JUST the Blair contract.
Now we have no idea what went into the decision to sell the pick, but it seems likely that the team is under a budget that wouldn’t allow BOTH a rookie contract AND signing a vet big man. But taking the 2.5 million and saving the rookie salary and spending that money on a veteran…
I think it’s quite likely that if we had kept the pick and not gotten the 2.5 million then we would not have signed Oberto.
by MR on Oct 31, 2009 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You keep forgetting The Wiz got 2.5 million…
Nope – I’m perfectly aware of the $2.5 Million sitting in Abe’s pocket. Hence, the Blair vs. “stack of cash” posts…..
saving the rookie salary
Let’s remember that “saving” the rookie salary is a total of less than $950K – Not a huge pile of cash, as NBA contracts go; and only 1.2% of the Wizard’s total salaries this year. 1.2% -
Even if you add the $2.5 Million PLUS the rookie minimum salary for Blair – the total is only $3.4 Million – or 4.3% of the Wizard’s total salaries….
Now – look long term. Where are the Wizards going to get a back-up big man next year? Oberto’s contract ends this year… Resigning him will cost WAY more than a second year pro contract (had they kept Blair) of $825K….
Probably EVEN more than the $2.5 Million they “saved” this year….. PLUS, they’ll probably still need ANOTHER big (like: Paul Davis) for end of the bench insurance….
You think the Wizards can get by next year with Haywood (assuming they resign him), McGee, Jamison, Blatche and ?? who??
The whole point I’m trying to make with this Blair vs. “stack of cash” thing is that:
Ernie Grunfeld said there wasn’t anyone available at pick number 32 that could help the Wizards = FALSE
The team made a financial decision – not a decision to improve the basketball team on the court = TRUE
The Wizards went “half in” – rather than (like the Spurs) ALL IN – to try to field the best team this year and in the future= TRUE
The Wizards went with a short sighted financial decision, as drafting Blair could have been cheaper in the long run = TRUE
So, I ask the following questions:
Is DeJuan Blair worth $3.4 Million this year, and $825K (+ tax) next year, with an option for year 3 at $885 (+ tax) ?
Remembering that after this year, the Wizards will need to sign at least one big man to back up Haywood and/or Jamison….. and probably another to sit at the end of the bench (like Paul Davis)…..
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by Rook6980 on Oct 31, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems fairly obvious to me that the Wizards are operating under some kind of budget and that they found a way to sign a vet player on the front line by selling their 2nd round pick. I think an intelligent discussion can be had about whether they made the right choice by acquiring Oberto and I think a rational argument can be made either way. Personally I think they made the right choice given their obvious desire to maintain roster and salary flexibility.
You seem fairly determined to go with your ‘pile-of-cash’ thing so I won’t try to dissuade you.
by MR on Oct 31, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, no, Rook makes a good point
It’s very fair to question the premise of the “budget.” Rook’s basically saying that it doesn’t make sense to have a short-term budget fix when a short-term cost like Blair could easily turn into a long-term gain. Which is more important? This year’s budget, or future years’ budgets?
I really don’t think it’s fair to narrow down the parameters of the discussion in this case because the very idea of the Wizards having this “budget” has both on-court and off-court effects that could be mitigated by not strictly sticking to it.
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by Mike Prada on Oct 31, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the best point
Now – look long term. Where are the Wizards going to get a back-up big man next year? Oberto’s contract ends this year… Resigning him will cost WAY more than a second year pro contract (had they kept Blair) of $825K….
Probably EVEN more than the $2.5 Million they "saved" this year….. PLUS, they’ll probably still need ANOTHER big (like: Paul Davis) for end of the bench insurance….
And it’s one that should be further discussed.
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by Mike Prada on Oct 31, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the very idea of the Wizards having this "budget" has both on-court and off-court effects that could be mitigated by not strictly sticking to it.
Sure, it’s not your budget or money!
by MR on Nov 1, 2009 5:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, but it IS
As a fan, who buys tickets, merchandise, parking, food ($8 for a slice of pizza, and $4 for a diet coke) and other concessions – I pay for those Wizard’s expenses (including salaries)….. and I expect a quality product for my money.
What would you think of Nike, if they sold you a pair of athletic shoes….. but to save on costs, they only provided 1 shoelace? Sure, it’s not a big deal…. not that much money to spend for an extra shoelace…..!! right? Except it’s cheezy, short sighted and cheap.
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by Rook6980 on Nov 1, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was a simple case of
not knowing all the facts. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that the Wizards medical staff never got a chance to check out Blair’s knees, because EG never imagined that he would slip so far. So the only thing that Ernie knew on draft night was that the teams that actually did check him out all passed on him. Red flag. Next, factor in the fact that our medical team has a really poor track record, and Blair starts to look like a bad bet.
Finally, consider the role we needed to have filled. We already have a couple of raw, young big men to develop. Blair’s presence might have stunted their development. No, what we needed was a savvy vet who is willing to do whatever the team needs, whether that means warming the bench or defending Nowitzki. The pile of cash we got turned into Oberto who did a nice job at harassing Nowitzki the other day.
As far as filling out the roster in future years, I’m going to trust Ernie there. Maybe we’ll be able to re-sign everyone on the cheap. Mark Stein has an update on the projected salary cap this weekend, and it looks like there won’t be a lot of cap space for free agents to change teams next summer. Maybe nobody out there will be able to offer our FAs more than the midlevel exception. If that’s the case, we might be able to re-sign Haywood and Miller for cheap, say, $6 or $7 million per year. That would leave us with enough space under the luxury tax to bring Oberto back.
by yop32 on Nov 1, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good and valid pointws yop
and I mostly agree
Except that Ernie has, at least in the past, shown an almost eerie prescience in picking up good players in the 2nd round (Michael Redd, Jason Hart, Ronald Murray, Andray Blatche, Dominic McGuire)…. even when there were major questions and concerns about those players.
Michael Redd – questions about his outside shooting
Ronald “Flip” Murray = questions about his size and strength
Andray Blatche = questions about his maturity, work ethic and desire (yes, even before he was drafted)
In the case of Blair, I think Grunfeld made a major mistake.
For filling out the roster – there is no cheaper, better way than through Draft picks. The NBA rookie contracts are among the best values in all of Sports. And second round picks, if you can find a good one, are the cream of the bargain crop. You can tie up a young, talented player for up to 5 years at a bargain basement price.
Perfect example is McGee…. The Wizards will most likely have to compete with several teams for Haywood’s services next year. 7-Foot Starting quality, defensive minded, shot blocking Centers are not readily available – and lots of teams need one. In order to re-sign him, the Wizards will have to spend between $7Million – $10 Million (Keep in mind he’s making $6 Million RIGHT NOW)… In the meantime, they have a young developing Center in JaVale McGee – If McGee develops enough this year to challenge for the starting spot next year, he could save the Wizards a ton of cash because his salary next year is only $1.6 Million. They could afford to let Haywood walk. Even if McGee is not ready to start, he’s STILL way cheaper than other back up Center options.
The way Blair is developing in San Antonio, it’s clear to me (maybe not to everyone else) that he’s a special player – one that will become a quality player very quickly. Had the Wizards taken the chance and drafted him, their front court rotation would have been set for the next 3-5 years…. at a substantial discount. (Blatche $3.5M, McGee $1.6M, Blair $1M??). The savings over the next 5 years would make that $2.5 Million look like chicken scratchings.
Even if Blair doesn’t work out – the second round is where you can afford to make a mistake, overlook a flaw, or take a chance. Ernie didn’t….
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by Rook6980 on Nov 1, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that Ernie Grunfeld doesn't just guess
Obviously I don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, but I would guess that Ernie’s track record is the result of careful investigation. His past success is almost certainly the result of very careful attention to detail, not blind luck or some sort of special ESP-like intuition. Unlike with those other 2nd round picks, he didn’t do the necessary work to make an informed decision on Blair. (He must have spent his limited resources investigating other players who were more likely to drop. I wonder if he identified any hidden gems that he would have taken if they had fallen to us. We will never know.)
So it came down to choice between Blair who has lots of upside (especially long term), but several question marks and red flags (both short term and long term), or whatever value he could get with $2.5M. Ernie decided that the cash was a better choice for our “win now” team. Three games into this season, I’d say he made the right decision.
by yop32 on Nov 1, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I say if they had spent the additional 4.3% in team salary this year ($2.5 Million + Blair’s salary + tax), they could have had both Blair AND Oberto…… so they could have saved many Millions next year, and the years after; not to mention the production that Blair is bringing…. (Blair is currently averaging 14.4 points, 14.6 rebounds and 2.3 assists per 36 minutes – shooting over 70% from the field)…..
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by Rook6980 on Nov 1, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
didn’t do the necessary work to make an informed decision on Blair.
Even though I hinted at “supernatural powers” earlier, I know that Ernie does his homework on players… and not just players in the draft, but all over the League and in Europe.
I can’t believe that Ernie wouldn’t have done the necessary due dilligence in his scouting of a player that at one point was supposed to be in the Lottery….. Expecially given the fact that it was common knowledge that the Wizards wanted to trade the 5th pick…. ( if so, it might have been possible in such a trade to get a player AND a pick in exchange for the 5th pick ) – so I’m sure Ernie scouted Blair… along with every other player that had a chance to go in the 1st or early 2nd round….
No – Ernie knows what Blair can do.. what he accomplished.. what his strengths and weaknesses are….
Now, If Grunfeld had come out and said “We had concerns about his knees, and that’s why we didn’t draft him” – I’d be silent on the issue…
But instead, he said (paraphrasing here) : " There was no one available that could help us this year " – Which was just flat out wrong; and a cop-out. The real reason they didn’t draft blair was money.
And I will continue to think that Ernie goofed in this instance…… (along with 28 other GM’s)
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by Rook6980 on Nov 1, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hindsight 20/20
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by GeoFly on Nov 1, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then what is foresight…. because many of us blogging here on BF during the draft were flaberghasted when the Wizards didn’t pick Blair…. and they said they thought it was a mistake THEN….
http://www.bulletsforever.com/2009/6/25/925674/the-nba-draft-once-again-the
http://www.bulletsforever.com/2009/6/25/925481/open-thread-2-the-nba-draft#17433114
At the time I was trying to give Ernie the benefit of the doubt…. hoping they didn’t draft Blair because they knew his knees were bad… But instead, we got the whole “No one good enough was left on the board that could help the team” BS…..
THEN I found out they sold the pick for $2.5 Million – and everything became crystal clear – it was not a basketball decision.
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by Rook6980 on Nov 1, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GMs are paid to have foresight
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Could have had both Blair and Oberto
Signing both would have given us a full roster of 15. With a full roster, you lose flexibility. You can’t do a mid-season trade of one player to get two, for example. You also can’t sign a player to a 10 day contract to tide the team over injuries. In this case, it just happened that we got hit with an injury at the PF position, where Blair plays. But what if we were hit with injuries to, say, Gil and Randy instead? Blair doesn’t help you there. No, I think EG wanted to start the season with 14 players to leave us with flexibility to explore trade opportunities and to use 10 day contracts to patch over holes in our lineup due to injuries. Blair OR Oberto.
by yop32 on Nov 1, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
New Nike LeBron Air Max VII Mens Basketball shoes = $160
A good pair of shoelaces = $7.00 or 4.3% the total cost …. (that percentage sound familiar?)
Maybe I should start calling him DeJuan “shoelaces” Blair……
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by Rook6980 on Nov 1, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oberto in a heart beat – is that a real question?
by bigity b on Nov 2, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This Blair discussion has ridiculous upside
I think the Blair arguement has to be looked at in a much wider frame. The choice to pass on him , I believe, had very little to do with cost.
-Ernie has spent six years building this team.
- The window for an NBA team can be open for as little as one season
-He senses that with his new coach and his star player back from injury this team has championship potential
-He sets out on a win-now philosophy.
- He sticks to that by trading the fifth pick for proven veterans but he trades away three big men.
- He acknowledges that the front court is now missing not only depth but veteran leadership.
- He has an owner with not so deep pockets and with the downturn of the economy most teams are not carrying 15 players plus carrying 14 gives you needed roster flexibility for the NBA season.
So after considering all of the above he decides to take a flyer on a ROOKIE undersized big man with bad knees.
Most of the arguements from the Pro-blair camp always talk of him as if he would just slot right in and provide us what we were lacking in our front court. But what if he hadn’t? If for whatever reason blair doesn’t then what does ernie do? A team he spent six years building. A team with a very small window for success. Why does he take the risk of drafting Blair? When he can get 2.5 million and a guaranteed big man like Oberto.
You build through the draft I agree but here is the thing this team is all ready built. Done, Dusted and polished. If there is a hole then the prudent thing to do is to plug it with a known commodity. The non-prudent thing to do is to take a flyer on a undersized big man.
by ccrun1800 on Nov 1, 2009 10:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you. Very well said. I’m officially in your corner.
by bigity b on Nov 2, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So far – “Roster flexibility” is the best argument I’ve heard against drafting Blair AND signing Oberto ( the: you can have BOTH scenario)….
In my opinion, that’s a pretty poor excuse for not drafting Blair… Why not sell the #5 pick…. they they could have had 3 roster spots available – lots more “flexibility” with 3 spots available. I am being facetious there….
What roster “flexibility” do they need? They’ve got 6 guards (plus two others that could play guard in a pinch in McGuire and Butler)… They’ve got 4 guys that can play small forward (five if you count Jamison)… They’ve got 4 guys that can play Center and 4 guys that can play PF (5 if you count McGuire – in a pinch). And I’m NOT counting Paul Davis in any of that. The Wizards already have roster flexibility – they don’t need the additional “flexibility” that an unfilled roster spot would bring.
They certainly don’t need roster “flexibility” to deal with injuries – because if they have enough injuries that would require signing another player (ie: injuries to 4 guards at the same time, or injuries to 3 Centers) – then the season is lost anyway.
Roster flexibility for trades – well that’s a possibility… But most trade scenarios that I’ve seen, or thought about involve the Wizards sending expiring contract(s) and young player(s) for a player that could put them over the top (Bosh, Stoudemire, etc….) – I haven’t seen anything to indicate the Wizards want to trade a single player for multiple pieces…. Not sure that would help the team at all.
Anyway – this is my last post on this thread…. I’m going to continue to point out Blair’s numbers, as we go through the season. My expectation is that, hindsight being 20/20, lots more of you will come over to my way of thinking…as Blair continues to “beast” ……
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by Rook6980 on Nov 2, 2009 8:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lost season?
They certainly don’t need roster "flexibility" to deal with injuries – because if they have enough injuries that would require signing another player (ie: injuries to 4 guards at the same time, or injuries to 3 Centers) – then the season is lost anyway.
Foye, Crit, MJames, MMiller. Gil with a tweaked calf. Flexibility is a good thing. I just wish that flexibility was a little bit taller….
by yop32 on Nov 11, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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