Open thread: Regular season game 44 vs. Phoenix Suns
Phoenix Suns at Washington Wizards, Jan 26, 2009 7:00 PM EST

So here's the deal, I've only gotten to see the Suns play twice this year. The first time was a game against the Nuggets that I wasn't able to pay real close attention to because I was working on some stuff while the game was going on, and the other time was last Monday's blowout loss to the Celtics. Since that kind of disqualifies me from saying much about tonight's opponent, I thought I would turn to two people that know what they're talking about, Phoenix Stan from Bright Side of the Sun and Ben from Ben's Suns Blog.
1. Ever since the Shaq for Marion trade last season, there's been talk about what this team's identity is, whether or not they're still the fast-paced team that fans have come to know and love over the last 5 years or if they've become more of a half-court team. Which direction do you think this team is headed and which direction do you personally think the team should go?
Phoenix Stan: I think if you can answer that question then you should go Vegas and not worry about the lousy economy. I am not headed to Vegas anytime soon, but here's my best guess:
The Suns are trying to run a hybrid game that has both elements of controlled tempo, pound it inside along with more fast paced when Shaq is resting or like most teams off turn overs and rebounds. The problem is turnovers. The Suns for reasons that totally befuddle me can not stop turning the ball over. When you are slowing the tempo and there by reducing the number of attempts you simply can't expect to give away possessions and still win. This has been the Suns biggest struggle.
As for where they should go, that's even harder. You can't ignore how well Shaq is playing and so you simply must gear your team around him as long as he's here and performing. Trying to force him into some other system was tried and failed.
Ben: Short answer: Who the hell knows.
2. When I first heard about the Suns-Bobcats deal, I thought that Phoenix was making out like bandits (mainly because I'm predisposed to think that Michael Jordan will come out on the wrong end of any kind of transaction), but after Charlotte's win against the Suns on Friday night I'm starting to reconsider my position. A month later, how do you feel about the trade?
Phoenix Stan: I think this could turn out to be a rare win-win deal. The Suns had to get rid of Raja Bell. He had given up on the team and was a negative influence. Diaw's salary and talent was being wasted in a back-up role. He's a guy that obviously should be starting and having a big role for a team.
JRich is a big upgrade at the shooting guard and is young enough to be part of the longer term plans and Dudley looks like he can be a solid role player as a back up small forward next year when Barnes is gone.
Ben: I loved it then and I still love it now. Before our recent skid, we had won 9 of 12 games with J-Rich and things were looking up. With the acquisition of Jason Richardson, the Suns immediately became younger and more athletic at the 2 guard causing other teams to game plan for that position; whereas they certainly didn't have to with Raja. Boris has been a thorn in the Suns side for quite some time and Suns fans were sick of waiting for him to fulfill his potential. Richardson gives us a Joe Johnson-type player that we haven't had since 2004-2005 who can create his own shot and run the floor.
Phoenix Stan: I struggle with this one too. The team has been inconsistent and have shown extended periods of very uninspired effort. With so many veterans and personalities I don't know how much of that to lay at Porter's feet and how much the players need to own. Clearly, he's not been able to handle the biggest challenge which is Amare. Amare's effort has dropped of dramatically so in that sense Porter can be blamed for the result.
On the other hand, he walked into a very dicey situation and it's hard to point the finger at him. I tend to be patient and think that over time he will do well.
Ben: I've been a Porter advocate for much of this season as well as preaching patience. However, for the first time, I'm beginning to question him a little bit. I'm not sure he's utilizing the strengths of our team as much as I'd like.
Phoenix Stan: Great question! These guys are such good athlete's you can pick a couple. Imagine Shaq as an offensive line man or Matt Barnes at wide receiver or Leandro Barbosa as a corner back. I think though looking at both athletic ability and the Cardinals needs I would go with Amare at tight end. He's got great hands. He's strong as hell and he's fairly tall at 6' 10".
And for the record, I still don't believe in the Cardinals. They've sucked for so long and I've hated the Bidwell's for so long that the thought of them winning a title before the Suns turns my stomache.
Ben: Well, we've all seen the Barnes to Barbosa full-court passes...but we have a pretty good quarterback in Warner. I think having Shaq on the offensive line to protect Warner would be beneficial, maybe even handing it off to him like Refrigerator Perry on the goal line. Then again, it'd be fun to see Leandro Barbosa's speed or Louis Amundson's jumping ability when receiving passes from Warner.
Big ups to Phoenix Stan and Ben for their excellent responses. Ben also had some questions for me which you can read here.
Tonight's tip is at 7. Officially, it's a home game but this is the Wizards first game back from a four game swing out west and they follow it up with two more road games, so even though they're playing at home it probably feels a lot like a road game for the Wizards tonight. It'll be interesting to see how they respond tonight.
This is an open thread, so debate whether or not Dan Majerle can move mountains here.
GO WIZARDS!
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I'm a little too excited -
for this one. Haven’t been able to concentrate all day. I’m sitting front row, center court. I will resist the urge to run out on to the court and slam myself into shaq. I’ve always wondered what that would feel like. Of course it would probably end with broken bones, a concussion, being arrested for assault and banned from basketball for life so I’ll resist.
also he'd leave a threatening text message for you on your phone.
that’s how he rolls.
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by little stevie colter on Jan 26, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Two quick notes
1. I’ve got 4 classes tomorrow and Mason is hosting Delaware tomorrow night, so the recap for this one will be late.
2. Former Wizard and Sun Dee Brown is headed to Israel to play for Maccabi Tel Aviv.
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Lineup update
It’s the second game of a back to back for Phoenix, but Shaq is a go tonight.
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Nick Young
1. Brought in earlier than normal.
2. Afro is much shorter tonight.
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Yeah - I noticed that.
Perhaps making up for the fact he only played 8 First Half seconds in Portland
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AND.......................Nick Young taken back out again
After blocking a shot.
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Yeah
That doesn’t look safe.
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 26, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
If Antawn drops 50 on the Suns
Phoenix will explode.
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Romance on the hardwood!
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5 Sun turn overs in the 1st quarter...
That, and the fact they can’t hit an open shot are the only reasons Washington isn’t down by 10
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Get Andray back in
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Nice to see Andray being agressive on the Offensive end.
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I liked when he said
"If he’s not the best, he’s right up there with everyone else." Way to take a stand there Buck.
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 26, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm............. Ivan writes an article about McGee not playing
All of a sudden, he’s playing significant minutes against Shaquille O’Neal.
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McGee can beat Shaq downcourt every time
They should be running every chance they get when Shaq is in the game
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Legal Seafood trivia
My guess: John Havlicek
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Boy - they missed McGee wide open under the basket
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Yowza
Amare already has 11 boards.
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In my opinion
Near perfect rotation minutes tonight
Crittenton with 9
Young with 10
McGee with 11
James with 14
Blatche with 14
McGuire with 15
Just wish Jamison and Butler had a few less than 20 minutes – but they were both hot, so I guess you gotta ride em…
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And McGee didn't cost them the game - - - - - - - Yet
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I think so
Everyone else must be experiencing the Shaq show live.
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 26, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Strange to look at the stats for the first half
and see the Wizards with more Fast Break points than the Suns
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They're such a different team with Shaq instead of Marion
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Yeah
Shaq is having a great year but it’s like trying to fit a 350lb. square peg into a round hole over there. It just seems weird to me.
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 26, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Can we not just chuck up 3's?
Jamison, I’m looking at you.
Although I did just come into this game.
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I started from the 2nd quarter
and they seemed to be moving pretty well. Hopefully that continues for the rest of the game.
One thing about Jamison's 3's
Does it annoy anyone else how he always runs back after he shoots? There are rebounds to be had out there Antawn!
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 26, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
You could say that about the whole NBA tho.
I always learned that its easiest to get your own miss.
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Very true
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 26, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Except
the other team is running back too- If he shoots a 3, it’s his responsibility to be the first defender back
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That's one minor problem with having your PF
that can shoot 3-pointers….
On the other hand, Jamison brings out the other team’s big man (in this case Amare S.) – leaving rebounding lanes for the SG and SF…
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Also very true.
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Shaq is 8/9 on FTs?
Sweet Jesus.
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Yeah
That commercial freaks me out.
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 26, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
Bolt
I like how’s he wearing a shirt that has his world record time on it. It’s cocky, but tasteful.
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 26, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
i know he's a veteran
but he truly isn’t better than Crittenton. He doesn’t deserve all those minutes.
Yeah.
Everytime he plays over Crittenton, I click my heals together three times and say the magic words “No time like Trade Deadline, No time like Trade Deadline…”
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Its not as bad as watching Amundson's hair.
Just sayin’.
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I didn't know Hilary Swank played for the Suns
by Matt K. on Jan 26, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
I think we have our Game Thread Comment of the Night.
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 26, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
McGEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
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Crittenton in again
Watch him on Nash….. In the first half, he did a credible job…
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LOL - Chenier is surprised that Crittenton does not shoot much
Javaris knows he doesn’t have a good jumper… yet
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While we're talking about comercials...
Does anyone else think the “Snuggies” look like the robes the Stonecutters wear?
And yes, I’m retarded.
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We do! We do!
(We meaning I or course.)
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 26, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Or us.
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Maybe we could implement a Stonecutters system here
Everyone gets called by whatever number user they are at Bullets Forever. Actually, that might not be a good idea.
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 26, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately
I always think about Napoleon Dynamite when I hear that song.
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 26, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Crab dribble.
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ON the Suns blog - they're really ragging on Barnes
Apparently, he’s not well liked there
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That's odd
They seemed to really like him at the start of the year.
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 26, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Blatche is
Oy…
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 26, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
NOT GOOD.
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If it's serious
Songaila and McGee will have to split 48 minutes at center. Not good.
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Let's hope it's a sprain, or a bruise, or something like that
The last thing I wanted to see was more playing time for McGee due to an injury to Blatche!
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Yeah, Blatche has been a bright spot in this season.
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I wouldn't have called it either.
But didn’t Shaq just shield McGee with his off arm?
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Probably
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 26, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
Oh well
The first half was nice.
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I just hope Blatche is ok.
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Definitely
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 26, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
oh mike james
maybe it’s time to spend some more time with your family
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by little stevie colter on Jan 26, 2009 9:20 PM EST reply actions
bonus -
Thunder is crushing NJ.
welcome to worst.
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by little stevie colter on Jan 26, 2009 9:27 PM EST reply actions
I agree
It’s weird how this lottery positioning thing has led to me rooting for the Clippers, Thunder, and Kings to win, while being borderline apathetic about whether or not the Wiz do.
by pantslessyoda1 on Jan 26, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
This game was lost in the 4th quarter
I’ll be interested to find out how Tapscott spins this into another denigration of the young guys – even though with 10 minutes left, the Wizards were only down by 2 points….
By the time Blatche left injured with 4:11 left, and McGee entered – they were down 10. That group included the Starters (James, Butler, Jamison, Blatche and McGuire). Jamison missed shots, Blatche missed shots, Butler missed shots. At the critical time in the game, the Offense stagnated again.
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Listening to Tapscott's post game comments
He’s saying that the reason for the poor 4th quarter defense was because they were trying to help the “youngster” with Shaq, and he was passing out of the double-team to open 3-point shooters.
I think Tap needs some kind of memory enhancement drugs… because when the Suns made their 4th quarter run, McGee was on the bench next to Tap.
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On the bright side
Blatche is talking on the post game show, he looks like he’s alright.
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