We have a tax problem, and the only prescription is more trades (UPDATED)

EDITOR'S NOTE: I resumed this post. See below. -mp
It's never good to be this bad, even if there is a somewhat-reasonable built-in excuse for our performance (injuries, etc). It's even worse, though, to be this bad and still be up against paying the luxury tax.
To review: You can exceed the luxury tax, but you must pay the league an additional dollar for every dollar you go over. That extra money then gets redistributed to the teams below the tax, so basically, you have to pay more than double for going over the tax. If you aren't a playoff team, and therefore don't receive revenue for playoff home games, then it's not a winning proposition to go over the tax.
But with the economy floundering (thereby bringing down the expected luxury tax threshold) and the prospect of having to take on a high draft pick's salary, that is precisely where the Wizards stand after this season. For now, we're under the luxury tax, and we'll remain that way if we do nothing until the end of the season. But for the season after that, we are in trouble and we need to find a way under, unless you expect Abe Pollin to completely change his tune on paying the tax (unlikely).
Consider the following (all data from ShamSports):
| Player | 2008/09 salary | 2009/10 salary | |
| Gilbert Arenas | 14,653,465 | 16,192,079 | |
| Antawn Jamison | 9,923,285 | 11,641,095 | |
| Caron Butler | 9,249,980 | 10,030,970 | |
| Etan Thomas | 6,373,900 | 7,354,500* | |
| Mike James | 6,244,083 | 6,466,600** | |
| Brendan Haywood | 5,500,000 | 6,000,000 | |
| Darius Songaila | 4,234,000 | 4,526,000 | |
| DeShawn Stevenson | 3,616,071 | 3,883,929 | |
| Andray Blatche | 2,739,669 | 3,000,000 | |
| Nick Young | 1,602,960 | 1,714,800 | |
| Oleksiy Pecherov | 1,446,720 | 1,547,640 | |
| JaVale McGee | 1,392,240 | 1,429,640 | |
| Javaris Crittenton | 1,381,560 | 1,477,920 | |
| Juan Dixon | 797,581 | ||
| Dominic McGuire | 711,517 | 825,497*** | |
| 2009 No. 2 pick (projected) |
3,715,700 |
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| Total | 68,485,471 | 79,806,370 | |
| Luxury Tax projection | 71,150,000 |
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| Luxury Tax space | +2,664,529 |
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*=Early Termination. **=Player Option. ***=Team option
Even if we assume the tax level goes up at its normal rate, we're over two million dollars over it with our team alone. If you add in the expected first-year salary of a top-five pick (anywhere from 2.7 million to 4.1 million), then we could be as much as six million in the red. But with talk of the luxury tax level flatlining because of the poor economy, the situation becomes even more dire. If the tax level stays the same as it did last year, we're suddenly looking at being around eight million over the tax after the season. That gives us a year to shed eight million dollars in salary before the 2010 draft.
In essence, Ernie Grunfeld signed everyone to escalating contracts thinking the tax level would continue to rise and is now getting burned for it. Every dollar counts too. As much as it'd be nice to see Pecherov develop, was it really necessary to pick up his third-year option when it could have helped us get underneath the tax line? Not doing that would have shaved our tax deficit from six million to 4.5 million. And the "bidding against yourself" in the Songaila and Stevenson contracts, while not a dire issue, now becomes a problem when every dollar counts.
Now, my biggest worry is that our need to get under the tax will once again be used to shed ourselves of the wrong guys. In retrospect, Roger Mason was an example of this, when the solution could have been to trade Stevenson or Daniels for a 2009 expiring. Now, it's too late for that. I worry that Ernie's solution here will be to trade our pick or not pick up McGuire's team option. Neither scenario would be the right way to go.
I have solutions to this problem, but I'm heading to class and will post them when I get back. In the meantime, fire up your own ideas in the comments section.
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UPDATE: Here we go.
First things first, Real GM contributor and sometime-BF commenter nate33 beat me to the punch on this issue by a couple days. His solutions mirror mine, so apologies if I'm repeating a lot of what he says.
There's really only one way to cut eight million dollars, and that is to make trades. The only player not under contract next season is Juan Dixon, and his salary doesn't count toward that eight million. The Wizards could decline to pick up Dominic McGuire's third-year option, but that would save the club less than one million dollars (or less than one-eighth the deficit). Considering the way McGuire has been used this season, I doubt the organization is planning on doing that.
Technically, the 2009/10 luxury tax isn't collected until after the 2009/10 season, but it becomes more difficult to get under the tax during the season in which it is calculated. A 2010 expiring contract goes on the 2010/11 tax number, not the 09/10 tax total. That basically means that we can't simply elect to let Mike James and Etan Thomas expire rather than use them as assets for an upgrade.
Therefore, unless we want to sell our top-five draft pick, we need to shed some of our long-term salary for contracts that expire in 2009. With several teams in the same boat, that's not going to be easy, but it has to get done one way or another.
(Before we go further, I need to mention something about Gilbert Arenas' contract numbers that may change exactly how much money needs to be shed. If you were around this summer, you may remember that I calculated that we had about 3.4 million under the luxury tax this year immediately after signing Gilbert. However, that total conflicted with a report by Mike Jones, who said that we, in fact, had only somewhere between 1 and 1.5 million dollars under the tax after the new contract. (Keep in mind this is before we signed Dee Brown and Juan Dixon). The logical conclusion I came up with is that the Wizards switched Arenas' first- and second-year salary to avoid tax problems down the road, but Jones' story said clearly that Arenas' first-year salary is 14.5 million. Obviously, the discrepancy makes a difference. I e-mailed both of them to get a clarification, so we'll see what happens with that.
If Arenas' first- and second-year salaries were switched, that'll move our gap from around eight million to something closer to 6.5 million).
First things first, how valuable are our guys on long-term contracts? Going from most expensive to least expensive:
Gilbert Arenas: We're not trading him. Nobody's touching that deal, and if he recovers, he should stay anyway.
Antawn Jamison: Antawn's on the hook for just under 10 million this year and 11.6 million for 2009/10. Antawn's contract starts as low as it does because we needed to wiggle under the luxury tax this year.
Signing Jamison was a move made with the intention of competing right away. It's much easier to justify going over the luxury tax when you are close to being an upper-echelon team. Jamison's new deal indicated the front office believed at the time that it was close to that designation. It was a move to win now and accept the cap consequences later, plain and simple. We don't know whether Abe would have wanted to go over the tax if we were winning, but we definitely can say there's a better chance of him relenting. Therefore, while Jamison's contract may become an issue monetarily down the road (as soon as next season), the team winning may have counteracted that negative.
Unfortunately, we aren't winning now. This year is a lost season and with the way Arenas is recovering, you never know about next year either. For every passing season, then, Jamison's contract becomes more and more of an albatross. This was a risk I'm sure the organization knew about, but it's a risk they took that is hurting them right now.
If finances weren't at play, I'd be tempted to forget about the previous paragraph and just hope Jamison continues to age gracefully, with the hope that we'd recover completely before his game falls off. The problem, though, is that finances are at play and our other players on long-term deals don't have the value Jamison does. To quote nate33:
The bottom line though is that in the likely event that EG can't dump any of our crappy contracts, EG must seriously consider trading Jamison. It's no longer a theoretical conversation on whether or not an aging Jamison will help this team going forward and if he's worth the money. It's now a choice between keeping Jamison or keeping Haywood and DMac. I don't think it's possible to keep them all past 2010.
To take it another step forward, if we can't trade anyone else, it's really a choice between keeping Jamison or keeping Haywood, D-Mac and our top-five pick next year. Alternatively, it's potentially keeping Jamison or keeping Haywood, D-Mac, Nick Young and Andray Blatche. I love Jamison, but he's not that valuable.
Ideally, we'd trade someone else and keep Jamison, for many reasons. Jamison is not only a good locker room guy, but he's also having one of the best seasons of his career. Even at 32, he's showing no signs of slowing down. On the other hand, though, a Jamison trade could yield the best return and singlehandily solve our financial problems.
Caron Butler: We could trade him, I suppose. He's extremely valued around the league and would definitely yield an excellent return. But his contract is more than fair value for his services, and he's younger than Jamison. I'd rather hang on to that if possible.
Mike James: As frustrating as it can be to see James play so much, it has actually paid off in that he does not look like the decaying corpse he was in New Orleans. An 11.8 PER and 49.4 true shooting percentage is still really bad, but at least that makes him a rotation player.
So while James still sucks, he at least may have recouped some of his trade value. His contract doesn't extend past 2010, so he wouldn't burden a team going that route if he were traded there. It's worth mentioning as well that, since James was traded in midseason, you have to wait 60 days before he can be traded again with another player. The AD/James/Critt trade occurred 62 days before the trade deadline, which I don't think is a coincidence.
Trading James destroys our "trade 2010 expirings for an upgrade" plan, but it's still worth it considering it would potentially solve our problems singlehandily.
Etan Thomas: The recent injury killed any chance of him recovering any trade value. Ernie's been trying to move him for years. It isn't happening.
Brendan Haywood: Not happening.
Darius Songaila: Of all our role players on long-term contracts, Songaila has the most value to a contending team. Several clubs may have a need for a backup power forward and Songaila can maybe fill that need. His skills are exactly the same ones that may help us, but unfortunately, we can't afford that luxury at this point.
Ernie needs to be looking to trade Songaila right away. We'll get into specifics below.
DeShawn Stevenson: I'd love to trade him, but who's going to give up anything for him right now? If he had been playing at the level he did last year, I'd advocate giving him up. Unfortunately, he sucks and he's injured. In retrospect, the organization made a major mistake in insisting Stevenson not play hurt. It both depreciated his value and came back to bite them when Stevenson actually got hurt right around the trade deadline.
Andray Blatche: My nightmare scenario is that Ernie is forced to use Blatche as a sweetner to getting a team to take one of the above players, or worse trading Blatche for cap relief straight up. I firmly believe we cannot let this happen. I'm only trading Blatche for a clear upgrade.
Nick Young: Ditto, though less so.
Oleksiy Pecherov: Pleeeeease teams, take him!
JaVale McGee: Don't trade him.
Javaris Crittenton: I suspect that we might have to part with him in order to clear space on the roster. Unfortunately, he's been on so many teams that I'm not sure how much value he has.
Dominic McGuire: He may also have to be a casualty of this gap. And if so, it's too bad, but better him than Nick, Dray or JaVale.
Alright, so we have the lowdown on each player. Let's parse these down into two groups. I'm leaving Gil and Haywood off this list because they're hurt. I'll also list which teams might fit them best, forgetting the plausability of such scenarios.
Veterans (from most valued around the league to least valued)
- Caron Butler - (LA Lakers, Minnesota, Portland, Toronto)
- Antawn Jamison - (Cleveland, Portland, Houston, Milwaukee)
- Darius Songaila - (Denver, Phoenix, Milwaukee, New Orleans, Orlando)
- Mike James - (Boston, Dallas, Orlando)
- DeShawn Stevenson - Nobody
- Etan Thomas - Nobody
Young guys (in order of value around the league)
- JaVale McGee
- Andray Blatche
- Nick Young
- Dominic McGuire
- Javaris Crittenton
- Oleksiy Pecherov
So, knowing this, here are some possible trades I came up with:
The Dream Scenario: Antawn Jamison and Darius Songaila to Cleveland for Wally Sczcerbiak and J.J. Hickson
Why is this the dream scenario? Making this trade would save us an incredible amount of money while also allowing up to pick up another youngster in Hickson. Sczcerbiak's contract expires this season, shaving over 13 million dollars off our cap, more than enough to solve our tax problem. Hell, we could even sign a free agent with that money.
I also think this trade helps Cleveland immensly, though Delonte West's recent injury doesn't help matters. The Cavs are pretty shallow in the frontcourt, with only Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Anderson Varejao and the decaying Ben Wallace. Jamison would immediately step in at the power forward spot and would be a great fit. He plays well off playmakers, is a good three-point shooter and can be a 3/4 hybrid with LeBron at times. He isn't much of a defender, but neither was Mo Williams. Meanwhile, Songaila takes Lorenzen Wright's spot in the rotation, suddenly giving Cleveland a ton of options up front.
It's a lot of long-term salary for Cleveland, but I think they'd take the risk with their team close to a title this year.
Other ideas
- Mike James and Javaris Crittenton to Orlando for Brian Cook, Anthony Johnson and J.J. Redick: Orlando's biggest weakness is backup point guard, and while James is wild, he's an upgrade on Anthony Johnson. Cook stinks, but he has an expiring contract, as does Johnson. Meanwhile, Redick is stuck behind a plethora of players, and swapping him for Crittenton, who I remember Orlando wanting in the offseason, provides an incentive. We save about five million dollars.
- Darius Songaila to Milwaukee for Damon Jones: Milwaukee is a playoff team now, but despite the emergence of Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, they're a bit thin up front. Songaila could give them another big and it would only cost them Jones, a guy who isn't playing anyway. Jones' contract expires after this season, so we'd save money. Alternatively, we could add in Pecherov and perhaps Juan Dixon, and Milwaukee could throw in Tyronn Lue, who is a 2.5 million dollar expiring contract and also doesn't play much. We save around 4.15 million in the first scenario and about six million in the second.
- Darius Songaila to Orlando for Brian Cook: Cook never plays and he sucks, so Songaila would be an upgrade. We save 3.5 million dollars.
- Antawn Jamison and Dominic McGuire to Portland for Channing Frye, Travis Outlaw, Ike Diogu and Sergio Rodriguez: Frye and Diogu combine for around five million in expiring contracts. I love Outlaw's game, and Rodriguez needs a change of scenery with Jerryd Bayless' emergence.
- Mike James to Dallas for Jerry Stackhouse: Dallas could use a backup point guard, and Stackhouse's contract is only guaranteed for two million dollars in 2009/10.
- Mike James to New Jersey for Stromile Swift: Swift doesn't play anyway and James doesn't mess up the Nets' 2010 plans. We save over six million
- Mike James to New York for Malik Rose: Ditto.
- Javaris Crittenton and Juan Dixon to Toronto for Joey Graham: Graham's expiring and Critt gives Toronto a backup point guard.
- Darius Songaila to Charlotte for Sean May and Alexis Ajinca: Right out of the Larry Brown playbook: win now and screw later. May and Ajinca aren't playing, and May has an expiring contract.
These are just some ideas. Either way, my feeling is we need to be active at the trade deadline if we want to cut the salary we need to cut.
But do you guys have any other ideas? And do you agree with the premise? Let me know what you'd do in the comments.
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Seems like a lot of teams will be in the same boat if the cap goes down.
Maybe we can get in on the bailout.
by MR on Jan 16, 2009 2:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My guess
Songaila (and maybe Stevenson) get dealt for some kind of cap relief either at the deadline or around draft time. Maybe Pech gets thrown in there too or gets deal for a pick (which would probably then be traded for straight cash homey).
Unless Ernie can maneuver his way into a cap-cutting deal or Abe thinks he has a roster that’s worth going over the tax for, I don’t think we’ll enjoy a lot of the moves made this off-season.
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by JakeTheSnake on Jan 16, 2009 3:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think straight cash homey could start for our team
and be our best player.
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by hibachi on Jan 16, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious
to see what your thoughts are on this and what plans you have.
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by hibachi on Jan 16, 2009 3:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The problem
Trades may not be able to get them under the Luxury Tax….
Everyone knows that when you’re over the Cap, you have to trade salaries for “like salaries”… IE: the dollars have to match up (at least close)…
In order to avoid the luxury tax NEXT year… the Wizards would have to make deals for expiring contracts THIS year. (Trade good young talent, for Kwame Brown, for instance)…
Our trash for a big expiring contract will not work:
A Mike Brown/Etan Thomas for Rasheed Wallace trade works (ie: the salaries match), and Rasheed’s contract ($13.9 Million) expires this year (which would help the Wizards Cap situation next year) – but the problem is that Detroit would never go for it…
Good young talent for expiring contracts works:
Young and Blatche for Kwame Brown… (ie: salaries match)… Kwame Brown’s contract ($4 Million) expires this year (which would help the Wizards Cap situation next year) – AND Detroit would probably go for that trade in a heartbeat….
No GM in his right mind is going to give up an expiring contract (ie: Cap relief) for nothing…
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by Rook6980 on Jan 16, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That's basically the crux of the plan
It has to be. And I think that we can pull it off, but many of our good possibilities have passed. And we may have to sacrifice a young guy.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jan 16, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And that is the real problem
The upshot is if the tax level doesn’t rise, at least 12 teams are threatening to be over next season’s tax level on current contracts alone — including several teams that have been adamant about staying under it in the past.
Like in any recession – there are opportunities to be had.
Right now, if you have the cash, purchasing real estate is a no-brainer….
Same with the NBA – Some owner out there, with a savvy GM, will say “the hell with the Luxury Tax”…. go get me some top players…. and with as many as 12 teams looking to dump salaries…………..
Ooooohhhhhhh…. if only we had an Owner that didn’t care about the tax….
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by Rook6980 on Jan 16, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm tempted to flag this as inappropriate
for even SPEAKING about such a trade.
But I guess I’ll recommend it for being insightful.
If an anybody-for-Kwame trade happens, though, I’m blaming YOU, rook.
by sierradave on Jan 16, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or just pay the luxury tax
I know Pollin has been resistant to pay it in the past, but Grunfeld has suggested there could be situations where they would go over the luxury tax. I don’t think anyone ever imagined the circumstances suggested by Pradamaster, but here we are. I don’t disagree with Pollin’s preference for not signing a marginal player to avoid going over the tax, but dropping or trading young talent (which I agree seems to be the only way)? I think that would alientate some fans.
It is a fair question to ask just how much money Pollin has to spend. How bad has he (and the Wizards organization) been hurt by this recession and horrendous season. Can he afford to pay the extra luxury tax? I have no idea.
At some point you have to ask questions like is Dominic McGuire worth $1.65 million this year. Are we better off trading our young talent before the trade deadline to get expiring contracts and potentially alienate our fan base even more while limiting the team’s potential in the future, which could limit the Wiz’s fan base of the future.
There are reasons to stay under the limit at times, and there are reasons to go over the limit other times.
by Johnnie Futbol on Jan 16, 2009 4:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why, though
Should Abe pay the tax for a team that isn’t that good? There’s no justifiable reason and we shouldn’t expect him to, especially during these times.
As I’ll talk about later, we may be able to survive without trading some of our young talent. Maybe. We may have to sacrifice a Pech, McGuire or Critt, but we may not have to if the right deal comes along.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jan 16, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps this scenario also means it’s perhaps unlikely the Wizards will use the expiring contracts of James/Thomas as trade bait. Maybe it’s better that they just let those contracts expire and build around the nucleus they have now. They’re gonna need to clear some space to resign players eventually.
If they go that route they break the luxury tax for just one year, but it’s not some permanent financial hole they can’t dig themselves out of.
by Johnnie Futbol on Jan 16, 2009 4:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Letting those contracts expire doesn't help our tax problems
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jan 16, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His point is we suck up paying tax for one year.
by RamVA on Jan 17, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see
But again, it’s based on the premise that Abe would go for that, and I strongly doubt he will.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jan 17, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rich get richer
Watch out for Cleveland, who is already over the Luxury Tax, and will do almost anything necessary to keep LeBron James there…. They’re going to want to show LeBron that he can win multiple Championships in Cleveland..
Cleveland has 3 large expiring contracts:
Eric Snow $7,312,500
Wally Szczerbiak $13,775,000
Anderson Varejao $5,784,480
I wouldn’t be surprised if they turned those contracts into some nice pieces to surround LeBron James with for the next several years. Watch for something to happen with them around the Trade Deadline.
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by Rook6980 on Jan 16, 2009 4:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Michael Redd as a Cavalier?
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by Rook6980 on Jan 16, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There have also been rumors -
of Marion for Wally and Anderson but Cleveland has come out and denied them so not sure how much truth around this.
by ooba on Jan 16, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Give them Jamison
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jan 17, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So help me
If both Stevenson and Mike James are here next season…
Another part of the problem is that most other teams are trying to hoard expiring contracts, not just because of the luxury tax but to be able to sign free agents in 2010, and there’s no real incentive for them to give those up for, say, Songaila. And those that aren’t hoarding expiring contracts are the teams that I wouldn’t think are interested in our mediocre veterans, anyway.
by Jon L on Jan 16, 2009 5:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
$6 mil for Etan and James.
We need to get rid of some players.
by se7en on Jan 16, 2009 6:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious
I can’t recall, so what exactly is the “nasty trade kicker” in a potential Etan Thomas deal? Just wondering.
by Matt K. on Jan 16, 2009 6:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Trade Jamison?
1) Aging
2) Blatche
3)Wizards aren’t going to win a championship in the next two years, the last two years Jamison could conceivably be a starting power forward in the NBA
4)Defense
5)2nd biggest contract
6)Had string of incredible years, wonderful person, will be a hot commodity on the market.
I know this is an unpopular proposal, he’s the nicest guy in the world and has put up great offensive numbers and is the most consistent performer and the leader of this team. Its a coldhearted calculation that we need to be making moves that will have us in top shape in a year or two(past Jamison’s prime), not now (the tail tail tail end of Jamison’s prime).
by morethesamewiz on Jan 16, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would definitely consider it
It has to be the right proposal, but there are teams out there that can help us.
I would flip out if we could do a Jamison/Songaila for Wally Sczcerbiak/J.J. Hickson deal. Not sure whether Cleveland would bite though.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jan 16, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Arenas?
Gilbert has always talked about how good he and Jamison play together and how great friends they are off the court. Would’nt you think that the unpredictable Arenas would be upset if we trade Jamison?
I know about Jamison’s contract and all but I think chemisty between the teams core players is just as important as how binding Jamisons contract might be down the road.
by lj15 on Jan 17, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know we had a $16 million expiring contract to trade once
Oh you mean he’s resigned a deal for five years? Oh.
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by George Templeton on Jan 19, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I made a long post about this a few days ago on Real GM here. (Scroll to the bottom to see my entry.)
Basically, we absolutely must dump one of Stevenson or Songaila or there’s a very real risk of losing Haywood and maybe DMac as well.
If we can’t dump one or both of Stevenson/Songaila, then we need to seriously explore trading Jamison for cap relief.
by nate33 on Jan 16, 2009 8:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hadn't seen yours yet
I’ll link it up higher once I finish this post. It’s probably right in line with what I’d say too.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jan 16, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who has trade value?
At this point in the season, at least one team in a trade is usually trying to get ready for a playoff run. Who on our roster would a contending team want? Caron and, in a few cases, Jamison or Songaila. (Teams would be interested in Haywood and possibly Stevenson if they were healthy, but not now.)
I don’t see how the team can trade Caron because of the fallout with fans. He’s the team’s best player, he has a reasonable contract, he’s popular, and he should have plenty of good years left.
Jamison and Songaila both could contribute poise, points and boards to the right teams. Cons: age, big contracts and subpar defense. Only a handful of teams have serious title hopes this year, so there’s a pretty limited market. On top of that, there are so many teams worried about the luxury tax that contenders may well find better value elsewhere.
I don’t see a playoff contender taking a risk on Blatche. Would you trust him with the season on the line? If he went to Boston, how long before Garnett made him cry?
Their salaries make James and Thomas radioactive. Are these guys even decent backups on good teams?
We could trade our young guys, but we’d need to dump nearly all of them to put a serious dent in our payroll. And we’d only save money by taking back expiring contracts. Is the team prepared to lose Javaris, Young or McGee without getting anything back talent-wise?
I just don’t see how the team can trim much payroll without seriously compromising its future. It’s going to be a buyer’s market and we’re not offering any bargains.
by antawnjameson on Jan 16, 2009 11:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm naive
But I think if it came down to a matter of keeping Antawn or going over the tax I think Abe would go over the tax (or more likely, get rid of all of our young assets). He’s got a lot of respect for the guy and I don’t think he’d want to disrespect him by trading him in a cap move less than a year after signing him to that extension.
I think the Milwaukee and Charlotte deals are two that are the most to my liking, but I think they’re all solid deals.
And since it wouldn’t be a trade post if I didn’t throw in a bad trade idea somewhere, my proposal is Songaila and Dixon to Utah for Collins and Knight. I don’t think Utah would bite on that though.
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by JakeTheSnake on Jan 17, 2009 7:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Trade Songaila and James
I think there are several team who would be genuinely interested in Darius Songaila. The prime candidate is Boston. They could trade Scalabrine plus Sam Cassell’s corpse for Songaila and instantly provide a lot of depth and veteran savvy in their frontcourt. We would save $1.1M next year and $4.4M the year after. (We might be able to save a little more money next year if we buy out Scalabrine for less than the $3.4M remaining on his deal.) Boston wouldn’t mind Songaila’s 2011 contract because they have no hope of getting under the cap until then anyhow. I think it’s a win-win no-brainer for both teams. Boston fans on the RealGM Trade Board like it.
The other guy we can move is Mike James, but we’d have to throw in some incentive. I think we trade James + $3M in cash + a 2nd round pick to New York for Rose’s expiring contract. New York does it because they will probably have to let Nate Robinson walk in order to keep their Lebron hopes alive, leaving them with no backup PG. They won’t be able to sign a good backup PG to a 1-year contract because no decent free agent will be willing to sign a one year deal. So from New York’s perspective, this trade is equivalent to them signing Mike James to a 1-year contract for $3.4M, and getting a high 2nd round pick in the process. (Obviously, I’d prefer not to include the pick, or include a pick from 2010 instead; but I’d sacrifice the 2009 2nd rounder if necessary.)
If we did both moves, we’d save $7.5M next year and $4.4M in the following year. That’ll surely get us out of the luxtax in 2009 and it might save us from the tax in 2010 (depending on the cap and Haywood’s new contract).
by nate33 on Jan 17, 2009 7:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
I think EG is going to do everything in his power not to trade Jamison. But if all other options fail, then it must happen.
by Matt K. on Jan 17, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would hate to see Jamison go...
The key tradeables I think are Songaila (he knows what he is doing out there, even if he cannot do much) and James (his stint here has showcased the fact that he can still score points and run some offense… in a sense he is a poor man’s Marbury)… If EG can move either or both of them for some expirings then the problem is solved.
After last night’s game James value HAS to be at its peak, too.
Trading both these players now also assures that Crittenton, McGee and Pecherov will see much more court time AND that we will have a REAL shot at the top draft pick, since these guys are Taps crutches.
by khrabb on Jan 17, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Songaila to Milwaukee
He’s the kind of hustleface that Skiles likes.
BUT
Kohl’s department store is having a tough time right now, so I think there’s a chance Herb Kohl will look to keep his expiring contracts or even shed payroll himself – the rumored Memphis deal is in part so that they won’t have to give Ramon Sessions more money. This may not be the case, and Kohl could decide that he wants to minimize the broader economic picture’s affect on his teams, but it’s something to watch for.
by Jon L on Jan 17, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
I hadn’t even considered that, but it makes too much sense to not be true, particularly in light of the rumored Memphis deal. I figured Milwaukee would be an excellent trade partner with us because they need more bigs and they had some comporable expiring deals (I initially was gunning for a Songaila for Desmond Mason trade, but they traded Mason to OKC in the Mo Williams deal).
Damn you economy for crashing!
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by Mike Prada on Jan 17, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This brings up something I forgot to consider
That’s the second-round pick this year. It’s going to be a high second-rounder, which has a lot of value to teams that want a first-round quality prospect for second-round money. Considering the cost-cutting that may be occurring around the league, my feeling is that asset will be worth more than in previous seasons.
We can use that instead of trading one of our “Big 3” youngsters (Nick, McGee, Blatche).
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by Mike Prada on Jan 17, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny - but I was working on this most of the afternoon
Then I saw your updated post…. You and I think alike:
Due to our Luxury Tax problems, we need to dump salary before the end of this year. I’ve looked at a lot of different possibilities, but this one is the best that I can find.
There are no GM’s out there that will want to take our bloated contracts (James and Thomas) until next year – and there’s probably very little chance of trading Stevenson or Songaila by themselves.
No one is going to want Gilbert Arenas until he comes back and shows what he has…. if he’s 100%, then the Wizards will want to keep him.
With as many as 12 other teams in the same Luxury Tax purgatory – there’s gonna be some competition for expiring salaries.
That leaves Butler and Jamison as the most logical trade options. Jamison, especially, would appeal to a contending team because of his consistency, and because he rebounds and scores both inside and outside.
So let’s start there.
Trade Jamison, Songaila and Pecherov to Cleveland for Wally Szczerbiak and JJ Hickson.
I hated to do this, because Jamison probably makes them a Championship contender THIS year and for the next 2-3 years as well. He gives Cleveland something they lack; an inside scoring threat…. and he also provides rebounding. Songaila is a solid vet, and with Ilgauskas and Varejao, they don’t need him to play Center – his pick-and-roll and pick-and-pop game would mesh nicely there. Pecherov is thrown in just to make the salaries match; and to get him off our roster. We might want to ask for a pick back as well; but considering the tax relief the Wizards would get, the deal works well without a pick.
This year’s team would suck; especially if Arenas does not come back at 100% right away – but they suck anyway.
In the 2009 off-season, With part of the MLE, sign Matt Barnes (unrestricted free agent).
At the trade deadline in 2010, trade Mike James to Oklahoma City for Nick Collison… (or Chris Wilcox – but I prefer Collison, because he plays better defense). Collison is a beast on the boards – a high energy bench guy that gets his points on put-backs and dunks. Low usage type player, with high efficiency. OKC will need salary (tax) relief for 2010, and they have multiple big men that can make up for losing Collison.
The new line up is significantly younger, but I believe a tougher team and a better defensive team:
Arenas / Crittenton
Young / Stevenson
Butler / McGuire / Barnes
Blatche / Collison / Hickson
Haywood / McGee
1st Round Draft Choice (Blake Griffin or Point Guard)
Hope that the ping pong balls fall their way, and they can draft Blake Griffin..
The Wizards would still have to sign a 3rd point guard (or draft one with this year’s pick, if Blake Griffin is not available.) They would also need another guard, preferably a 3-point specialist.
Even with a high 1st round selection, a 3rd point guard, and a 3-point specialist; the Wizard’s 2009-2010 salaries would sit at around $63-$64 Million…
and could stay there for 2010-2011 as well.
Etan Thomas’ expiring contract ($7.3 Million, at the end of 2010) allows them to re-sign Haywood, and positions them to re-sign Butler in 2011.
That’s still NOT a Championship caliber team, but it’s closer – and the Salary situation is VERY good. PLUS, it’s a much younger team, exchanging older vets with 3rd year and 4th year players.
The Wizards should still be able to add another piece using the MLE in 2010 and stay under the Luxury Tax.
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by Rook6980 on Jan 17, 2009 10:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Great post
It seems like this may be the route the Wizards have to go in. I think the most painful thing would be watching Jamison play with LeBron and the Cavs, but if that’s what it takes to turn things around, it might be a decent idea.
by Matt K. on Jan 17, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great article. I didn’t realize the team was that far gone on the luxury tax next season, that is a troubling situation.
I’d be very reluctant to give up Jamison in a trade without a clear idea of how to replace him. I think that would weaken the squad tremendously and could put the next 4 years (Caron’s+Gilbert’s likely best years) under serious threat of being wasted. Perhaps the draft pick could offer that, but I think in that scenario you have to wait until you’re sure, after lottery or draft, you can get that big man.
Difficult decisions ahead
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by NBR on Jan 18, 2009 2:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Trading in own conference
is almost never done and kind of taboo, so the Cleveland deal probably isn’t going to happen. And as a fan, I’d be damned if we helped the Cavs to a championship. I’d do it in a heartbeat if it was any other team.
by Fundefined on Jan 18, 2009 2:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Trading in your own division is taboo
Not within the conference. Happens all the time.
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by Mike Prada on Jan 18, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate it too
But, like I said, there’s very little choice.
The Jamison/Songaila trade for Wally Sczcerbiak/Hickson works, both from a salary standpoint, but it helps BOTH teams. It helps Cleveland become an instant Championship contender – and it helps the Wizards re-tool their salary situation.
With that scenario, the Wizards could conceivably be back in the Playoffs as early as next year – and contending in 2 or 3; well within Caron and Gilbert’s window of opportunity.
The alternative is to pay the Tax, and hope that the trio of Arenas, Butler and Jamison can get it done – because the Wizards will NOT be able to afford to take on more salaries (ie: better players)…
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by Rook6980 on Jan 18, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Songaila would have to be part of a Jamison package to the Cavs.
I don’t think the expiring contract has enough value by itself …. another bad contract needs to be taken away in the process. I think that contract needs to be Songaila because it goes past the summer of 2010, and because I think he’s harder to trade than Stevenson or the youngster’s deals.
Songaila and Jamison and a move later on could give the Wizards a lot of cap space in 2010 to add that third star to place alongside Gilbert+Butler+youth.
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by NBR on Jan 19, 2009 8:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll have to get back to this....but INITIALLY
I think Nick Young is definitely more valued around the league than Andray Blatche….people know that he DOES NOT HUSTLE and he’ll always be susceptible to listless spells of basketball….ALWAYS!!!!!!!
And…..I realize it’s for salary cap, etc….., but the thought of Damon Jones or JJ Red-Dick on the Wizards DISGUSTS me.
Oh yea, ya’ll don’t get your hopes up for a trade to go down before this year’s deadline, IT AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN. Bet on it.
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by Truth About It on Jan 18, 2009 1:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just pay the tax Abe
If Wiz get 1st or 2nd pick in the draft, a new conditioning coach, a decent head coach and everyone comes back un-injured and in shape, Abe will be making big money with a 50+ win team NEXT YEAR anyway. Pay the d@mn tax.
by LoneWiz54 on Jan 18, 2009 7:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
Just one year! That’s all. James, Thomas and Pecherov all have contracts that expire after next year. That’s surely enough for them to resign Haywood. And then the next year Stevenson and Songalia’s contracts expire, enough to resign Butler.
If the old man can just pony up the money for one year over the luxury tax they can pull themselves back into financial stability. I know he’s been reluctant to do so in the past, but this scenario is entirely different than anyone imagined. Would Pollin rather trade Jamison (whom he compared to Unseld) than pay a luxury tax? Maybe, but just as likely not.
Trading someone like Songalia would make sense, and I believe he has some value too. But I don’t see them giving away the farm just to stay under the tax for just 1 year.
by Johnnie Futbol on Jan 18, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, I really don't think this is something we can count on doing
It’s easy to say “just pay the tax,” but it’s not our money. Abe’s never been one of the richest owners, and with the economy as bad as it is, he’s likely less equipped than ever to pony up way more cash than he would have paid normally. (I’m surprised nobody’s looked into whether he had money invested with Madoff. I know Abe gives a lot to Jewish charities and I am pretty sure he is Jewish himself…).
In even the most optimal times, Abe hasn’t felt the need to go over the tax. Now, with his team at 8-31 in possibly the worst recession this country has ever faced, you expect him to suddenly change his tune? Why should he? Why would he? I just don’t see how you can possibly count on that.
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by Mike Prada on Jan 18, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jewish?
(I’m surprised nobody’s looked into whether he had money invested with Madoff. I know Abe gives a lot to Jewish charities and I am pretty sure he is Jewish himself…).
What are you talking about? I think Madoff ripped off a lot of people, not just Jews…and I’m quite sure Madoff was not a charity. Not sure where you’re going with this point.
by MR on Jan 18, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's pure, pure speculation
Abe gives to Jewish charities. Madoff scandal hurt a lot of Jews. Ergo, could Abe have maybe been involved in the Ponzi scheme?
Maybe, maybe not.
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by Mike Prada on Jan 18, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Involved" meaning "had money invested in it"
Just so we’re clear.
I figure that would have been announced already, but you never know.
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by Mike Prada on Jan 18, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The list of Madoff victims is far from exclusively Jewish. In any case, I don’t see what a charity being hit would have to do with the Wizards finances.
I guess I don’t see the point.
I think more relevant would be Abe’s health and what would happen if (God forbid) he were to pass.
Also, any thoughts about if the league would let the cap not shrink? Has that ever happened before?
by MR on Jan 18, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, no, no
It’s a jump in logic. The only point was to say that it’s possible Abe’s affected more than most.
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by Mike Prada on Jan 18, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s the best option for the Wizards, to bite the bullet and pay the tax for one season while contracts like Thomas/James expire and put the Wizards back below the luxury tax threshold.
I wouldn’t be upset if ownership refused though …. it’s a lot of extra money to lose out on. That would be a fair decision.
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by NBR on Jan 19, 2009 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
I agree that all this is dependent on how much Abe has to spend (as I argued in my initial post a day or two ago). If he doesn’t have the money, he doesn’t have the money. Under those circumstances, I’m sure the Cavs would take a player like Jamison in a heartbeat (I would at least).
That said, in the past Grunfeld has argued that Pollin isn’t opposed to going over the luxury tax in principle, he’s just not in favor of doing it to sign some marginal player. That of course has been the public position the Wizards have had on the luxury tax, which of is entirely different than practically giving away Jamison or any of their young talent to avoid the tax for one year. So the current scenario is entirely different than what we’ve seen in the past.
I certainly don’t know what Grunfeld or Pollin are thinking right now, nor do I have any sense whatsoever what Pollin’s money situation is. I do question why they would make the Daniels for James-Crittenton trade if they were so frightened about the luxury tax. That only makes their situation worse, so why make that trade if they’re a year away from luxury tax hell?
That said, you may very well be right. Perhaps my thinking has more to do with what I’d like to see happen. I guess we’ll know in the next month or so.
by Johnnie Futbol on Jan 18, 2009 8:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
oops..
that was supposed to be a reply to Pradamaster.
by Johnnie Futbol on Jan 18, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is true
I do question why they would make the Daniels for James-Crittenton trade if they were so frightened about the luxury tax. That only makes their situation worse, so why make that trade if they’re a year away from luxury tax hell?
I hadn’t thought about that, but this does raise a good point.
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by Mike Prada on Jan 18, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This whole thread makes me ill
Don’t we have enough problems? Can’t we just pretend this doesn’t exist?
Is there really a thread on BF suggesting we trade our beloved Jamison to the horrible, evil, whiney Cavs? And another suggestion we trade for Kwame Brown. Is this April 1 or something?
by MR on Jan 18, 2009 9:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Must be vampires...
Garlic Necklaces will be distributed at Noon today.
Jamison to the Cavs is lunacy.
Try to win a couple out West, Wiz, sorry you had to miss the fun back home!
by khrabb on Jan 19, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a serious man crush on Butler...
I’m a Blazer fan… we have expiring contracts and young talent. Doesn’t look like the Wiz will trade Butler though. He’s young, affordable, and talented.
by Cablinasian on Jan 20, 2009 1:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
also a Blazer fan
I can’t see giving up four players for Jamison and The Tazer. What do we have that you guys want that could get us Caron Butler? – Elgin
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by 22baylor on Jan 26, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pay the Tax
Abe should use some of the free DC tax payer money that he gets every year from his generous property tax deal. Or he could use some of the profits that he made from the most recent 50 million dollar tax gift from the DC’s coffers to build him some new luxury suites.
He took the free money so pay the damn tax!
Oh, great post Prada and I agree with every commneter on here.
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by Mac G on Jan 21, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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