On the end of the dueling centers, I hope
"His approach, his intelligence is top notch"
Without scrolling down on the page, can anyone guess who Eddie Jordan is talking about with this quote? It must be Caron Butler, right? Antawn Jamison, of course. Darius Songaila? Michael Ruffin?
Bet you'd be surprised if the answer was Brendan Haywood. I sure was when I first read it. And while it's just words (for example, when Juan Dixon says that "I've learned so much over the past three years," it doesn't mean I expect his usage rate to actually drop), there's something positively awesome about the way Eddie Jordan is talking about his former whipping boy.
I don't feel like I need to fully lay out the case that Haywood was always a much more effective player than Eddie Jordan ever realized; regular readers know all the components to the argument. He uses his length so effectively on defense, has always had tremendous defensive plus/minus numbers, always shot a high percentage from the field and always made it easier for other guys to rebound by taking up space in the middle. Even in 2006/07, Haywood's worst season of his career, the club was 20-11 when he played at least 25 minutes and 21-32 when he didn't.
But then Etan Thomas got hurt, Eddie Jordan had his talk and even Eddie realized Haywood's value. The funny thing is, even though BF readers clearly feel Haywood was the team's most-improved player last year (I voted for Roger Mason), a lot of Haywood's performance has been seen before. Haywood really only improved in two areas: free-throw shooting, which is self-explanatory, and committing fewer turnovers (his TO% was his lowest since 2003 and came after a career-worst mark in 06/07). His defensive on/off numbers were actually fairly average this year after being so stout in year's past. Otherwise, he was the same space-clogging, awkward-shooting, lengthy-defending, hard-working joker he's always been.
Despite last season, I think lots of people, including me, had this unspoken fear that Etan Thomas' return meant yet another open battle for the center spot. I was worried I'd hear rhetoric like "last year was last year, Brendan needs to prove he can keep the job," or "Etan gives us more energy in the middle," but clearly Eddie's words today are a ringing endorsement to Haywood's starting candidacy.
Now, it's true that Eddie should have given him this praise years ago. Haywood's attitude can be poor sometimes, but Eddie has never treated him well. Shifting him in and out of the lineup at a whim without displaying proper communication will piss anyone off (just ask Ben Gordon). I don't condone Haywood's behavior, but I understand it. As long as Eddie's come around now, though, I'm happy.
The other angle to this story is it puts Etan Thomas in a role more suited to his game. Lots of the Etan bashing is unfair. As we've said before, Etan's not a bad player. He's an excellent defensive rebounder, a very efficient scorer and a guy who sets good screens and finishes well. He's not a very disciplined defender, but I'm hoping that changes with Randy Ayers in town. The problem is that he's not worth his contract and that playing him more minutes has always been the byproduct of benching Haywood. If he's just a backup center, though, there are few better in the league. Etan also plays a high-energy style that gets him injured all the time, but if he plays fewer minutes, his body won't wear down and he can stay healthy. It's nice to have a tough guy on the roster, even if that tough guy is very overpaid.
So to all those worried that the center position may be in flux again, these should alleviate your concerns. Eddie's comments are just words, but they reassured me.
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All true
And the distribution should be 30-35 minutes a game for Haywood and 13-18 minutes a game for Etan Thomas. Better still that Blatche, Songaila don’t have to play 5 and we’ve seen the last of slow small ball.
"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck
by George Templeton on Sep 25, 2008 1:08 AM EDT 0 recs
Giving Brendan real starter's minutes
George, I could not agree more. Brendan is a workhorse center and Etan is an energy player. With 35 minutes a game, and especially with Gil on the shelf for the first two months of the new season, I believe Brendan can average a consistent double-double.
And yes, we really do not want to see any more small ball center play…
by khrabb on Sep 25, 2008 8:58 AM EDT 0 recs
I’m still worried about Etan effecting Haywood’s role.
It eases it somewhat with Eddie Jordan coming out and saying these things, but I don’t know, there must be a lack of trust there (on my end). I’ve been very disappointed over the years over what I felt to be Eddie holding Haywood back …. I guess I’m going to have to see those words backed up by actions when Haywood is having a bad game or stretch in the season.
by NBR on Sep 25, 2008 1:30 PM EDT 0 recs
Not so fast on these so-called "Starter Minutes"
I’d like to tell everyone to calm down and Etan being back is a great thing and not to worry about past tiffs…but realistically, I can’t. But my point is not to touch on the Etan-Brendan dynamic.
BTH proved he is the #1 guy at the 5 spot last season. So, he does deserve the minutes that go to the #1 guy.
Last year, Haywood averaged 27.9 minutes per, the most in his career, and appeared in 80 games (he averaged 27.4 in 68 games in 04-05, but 23.8 and 22.6 in the next two seasons respectively as part of the two headed monster team with Etan).
In 57 games in 07-08, Haywood played 24 minutes or more…so that’s my cut-off point.
Set 1 (averages from games <29> where Haywood played from 24-31 minutes – 27:58 average):
Points: 11.1
Rebounds: 7.8
Blocks: 1.8
Turnovers: 1.1
FG: 53.7
Set 2 (averages from games <28> where Haywood played from 31+ minutes – 34:28 average):
Points: 12.6
Rebounds: 8.8
Blocks: 1.9
Turnovers: 1.9
FG: 55.8
Basically, I don’t see a drastic increase in numbers with more minutes….Haywood has a production threshold.
Now, if Haywood is averaging 30 minutes per game, I’m not going to complain, but if he’s getting up there at 32, 33, or even 35 per, then I start to wonder.
Haywood is not immune to breaking down, we will need to save him for the duration of the season just like everyone wants to do for Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison.
Etan Thomas represents added depth that should be used. Now, if Etan completely sucks, then the game plan may change…but then again, Etan was out all last year and Haywood still averaged 27.9 per.
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by Truth About It on Sep 25, 2008 2:17 PM EDT 0 recs
I don't think I was making that point
The point is that the team is better with Haywood playing more, not Haywood himself.
This happened this year as well, though it wasn’t as pronounced.
With Haywood over 31 min: 15-11
With Haywood between 24-31: 14-15
With Haywood below 21: 14-13
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Pradamaster on
Sep 25, 2008 2:51 PM EDT
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Yea, I know....
Sorry, I was talking about previous comments and didn’t want to respond to one of them specifically. I agree with what you laid out and the ‘no more competition’ aspect, but my point was that Jordan needs to stay the course with 27-30 minutes per game with Haywood.
I would suspect that the Wiz fared better when BTH played more last year because there was not a valid backup….hopefully Etan will be that guy, and hopefully everyone will know their roles.
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by Truth About It on
Sep 25, 2008 4:27 PM EDT
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But they were also better the year before
And much better.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Pradamaster on
Sep 25, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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Arenas?
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by Truth About It on
Sep 25, 2008 4:52 PM EDT
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Wins
They don’t lie. The Wizards are just a better team when Haywood plays.
You can twist lots of stats to make lots of different arguments – but wins and losses are what really counts.
Some things don’t show up on stats…. altering shots, number of drives thwarted or not even attempted, talking on defense, rotation, getting out on shooters…. Those are things that Haywood does well…. and conversly, those are the things that Thomas does not do well.
NO – Haywood doesn’t swing his arms when he gets a rebound…. and he doesn’t look like he’s moving 100 miles per hour every play…. and his hair doesn’t flounce up and down every time he jumps…. and no, he doesn’t wear a perpetual scowl, or bounce around like he’s doing something (when he’s not)… But what he does, he does well.
He’s an efficient scorer. He can be relied upon late in the game to hit free throws. He plays defense; and on this team, that’s a rarity.
Is he perfect? No… his pick-n-roll defense could be improved. He could continue improving his footwork and his hands.
He’s the best Center on the team, and deserves Starter minutes (30 mpg)…
by Rook6980 on
Sep 25, 2008 4:55 PM EDT
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A little harsh on Thomas
Until Haywood’s leap forward last year I think they were neck and neck, with different strengths and weaknesses. Hopefully this year Etan will take a step forward too (esp with his freethrow shooting).
That said, clearly the starting job is Haywood’s at this point.
by MR on
Sep 26, 2008 11:31 AM EDT
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Neck and neck?
Only in Eddie Jordan’s mind. Haywood’s always affected the team more. I’ve been saying this since I began blogging.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Pradamaster on
Sep 26, 2008 4:06 PM EDT
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Well said
Haywood’s the quintessential “little things” player. He does a lot you don’t notice.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Pradamaster on
Sep 26, 2008 4:07 PM EDT
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