How things change: Day 1 of the Gilbert Arenas watch
UPDATE, 9:04 p.m.: Mike Jones provides some great insights in his latest blog post. It turns out Gilbert's trip to China is actually the first leg of his journey. In the second leg, he's going to Berlin and Barcelona to promote the Wizards' preseason October Europe tour. Why would he do that if he really was going to leave?
More importantly, there's this:
Agent Zero knows he isn't hurting for money. He has a $35 million deal with Adidas and knows that gives him flexibility to sign for less. He is aware that he could take much less and go to a championship contender, but this is his city, in his words, and he'd rather try for a title alongside two other All-Stars, playing for an owner that loves him and a general manager that loves him. And that's why he will wait until the salary cap figures and luxury tax figures come out next Tuesday to decide what to sign for. The cap is expected to be somewhere around $58 million and the luxury tax could come out at about $69 million. The Wizards can go over the salary cap to sign players. But if they spend more than $69 million, they will have to pay dollar for dollar every dollar that they go over that luxury tax ceiling. So, Gilbert wants to help by making sure whatever he signs for gives the team some room to sign someone else in addition to him while avoiding exceeding the tax.
If Gilbert is really waiting to see the cap figures for next year, it shows that he's taking his comments about taking less money to avoid strapping the team's payroll very seriously. That's a sign of maturity, and it's something Baron Davis, for example, didn't demonstrate.
Of course, if the tax is really going to be as low as 69 million this year, we're already screwed, but I'm going to choose to focus on the positive instead of the negative. You're free to do the opposite, of course.
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UPDATE, 5:56 p.m.: Just a reminder to those suggesting the Wizards use Gilbert's money on someone like Emeka Okafor, Josh Smith or Monta Ellis, they can't. This comment and this post explains it all, but to recap:
The Wizards already used a lot of their potential cap space to sign Antawn Jamison. If they let Arenas go, they'd have about four million dollars in cap room and about 17 million dollars under the luxury tax, but could only sign another team's free agent outright with the remaining four million, the mid-level exception (about 5.75 million) or the low-level exception (about 2 million). You can't combine exceptions.
That puts us out of the price range for Okafor, Smith, Ellis, Corey Maggette, Elton Brand, Baron Davis and possibly even Josh Childress. The only way we get one of those guys is in a sign-and-trade. We would have to give up players on our team to properly match salary (though it wouldn't have to be exact because of our four million dollars of cap space).
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UPDATE, 1:35 p.m.: Adrian Wojnarowski is reporting that Abe Pollin has OK'd a 6 year/$125 million deal. He's also saying that it looks like the Warriors are "losing hope" of bringing him back.
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UPDATE, 12:26 p.m.: Well, Abe just gave Gilbert the "You're my guy" treatment. So much for negotiation.
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UPDATE, 12:08 p.m.: Mike Jones says Gil is "close" to accepting a max contract offer, then says two paragraphs later that Gil will likely sign for less than the max to free up cap flexibility. I'm confused.
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Yesterday, I wrote a ton about how the Wizards needed to wait on Gilbert Arenas, because the market wasn't there. My, how I was mistaken.
Seriously, screw Baron Davis. If Davis does what he said he was going to do, we wouldn't even have this problem. Davis decided to opt-out into a market that doesn't have much money available, even though his current team is showing little inclination to re-signing him. Because Davis opted out, Golden State had enough money to offer Arenas the max, thereby driving up Arenas' market.
(By the way, I'm not concerned about the Sacramento angle. They'd have to give us players to get Gilbert, which isn't the worst alternative)
Now, we are kind of stuck. Like with Jamison, there is a very real threat that Gilbert leaves to go somewhere else and we get absolutely nothing to show for it. Even worse, we won't have very much cap room to show for it now that we've re-signed Antawn.
All because Baron Davis wants to play for the Clippers. Goddammit.
Anyway, Ernie is trying to get GIlbert to accept less than a max deal to leave us room for other free agents. How could that work?
As Truthabout wrote, for Jamison to sign a 4 year/50 million dollar deal with 10.5 percent raises, his first year would be for 10,694,000. Using Sham Sports' salary page, we would have 54,019,317 currently committed to our roster for next season once you subtract Gilbert's old deal and add Antawn's and JaVale McGee's. If Truthabout's rough guess at the luxury tax (just over 71 million) is correct, that gives the Wizards about 17 million dollars in cap luxury tax space for next year.
Gilbert has previously said he won't accept a contract that will pay him less than 15 million in the first year. If that were to happen, we'd have only 2 million dollars of wiggle space under the luxury tax next year. That's definitely not a lot to keep Mason, and I doubt we'd be able to find anyone worthwhile for that amount of money. For Gilbert to sign a contract that allows us to use our full mid-level exception (for between 5 and 6 million dollars), his first year would have to pay him only 12 million. Adding in 10.5 percent raises, and his final contract under that scenario is for just over 81.5 million dollars. Something tells me he won't accept that one.
And that's just this year. Add in everyone's raises, plus a new rookie, and we're probably over the tax threshold next year as well, unless we dump one of our mid-level contracts.
We'll just have to wait and see, but our cap flexibility stinks no matter what after this deal. I'm hoping Gilbert signs a deal that allows us to use about half our mid-level exception, but even that doesn't give us much room under the tax. If Abe really wants to improve this team, he might have to bite the bullet and go over the tax. That's our predicament right now.
All thanks to Baron Davis.
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Rook6980 makes a great point about extensions.....
http://www.bulletsforever.com/2008/7/1/562381/signing-antawn-jamison-spe#7098457
If this is the case, then the Wiz may have a lot more wiggle room to get a fresh face than I anticipated…...it still depends on Gil’s amount though.
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by Truth About It on
Jul 1, 2008 12:12 PM EDT
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Meh, not really
It gives us about half a million more than your original figure. Not a big difference.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on
Jul 1, 2008 12:13 PM EDT
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I'm also confused by that piece from Jones.
He’s going about as far out on a limb as Ivan did in his infamous draft piece.
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by JakeTheSnake on
Jul 1, 2008 12:22 PM EDT
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Great
With that line from Abe, I guess that rules out any sign-and-trade. I guess we’re stuck with Gil at his max contract and no other help for next year. Not good. :(
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by cuppettcj on
Jul 1, 2008 12:25 PM EDT
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disagree, not baron davis's fault
EG didn’t have to overpay for AJ. now our cap is blown for years to come, especially once we sign GA to a max deal.
EG could have let AJ walk, signed and traded GA for reasonably priced assets, fielded a team next year that wouldn’t be that much worse than where we were this past year, and then worked his magic via trades, signings, and player development around the franchise player we already have in butler.
now we’re on the hook for 4 years to a team with, as kelly dwyer says, arguably not much of a ceiling, and no room to sign any role players or free agents, or resign any of our existing assets even, without going WAY over the luxury tax.
sorry. not optimistic about this. don’t like commitment and lack of flexibility to a team i like, but am not THAT high on. not for that length of time.
by DarrellWalkerFan on
Jul 1, 2008 12:28 PM EDT
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Davis presented a predicament
Where we’d either have to re-sign Gilbert for a ton of money or let him walk for nothing. Before, we could have negotiated Gilbert’s deal down to a manageable number.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on
Jul 1, 2008 12:29 PM EDT
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still i doubt that
the dominoes started to fall when we overpaid AJ, which we did before Davis opted out.
actually, the dominoes started to fall when abe and EG decided before the signing period that they want these guys back no matter what.
they’re both good guys and i can see why they’d want to commit to them, but financially and realistically with the economics of the NBA, i don’t see how they could have done it without hurting the team for years to come, not after seeing what AJ’s price was gonna be.
i strongly feel they should have went to plan B after they realized they weren’t going to get tawn for a more reasonable deal. they should have realized they couldn’t afford him at this time.
by DarrellWalkerFan on
Jul 1, 2008 12:40 PM EDT
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Let's Clear the Conclusion
UPDATE, 12:08 p.m.: Mike Jones says Gil is “close” to accepting a max contract offer, then says two paragraphs later that Gil will likely sign for less than the max to free up cap flexibility. I’m confused.
Here’s what Mike Jones said, it actually makes sense when you think about it:
Gilbert Arenas is close to accepting a six-year offer from the Washington Wizards that could be worth as much as $127 million, according to a source close to both parties.
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Although the Wizards’ offer is for an extra year and $26 million, the source said that isn’t a deciding factor for Arenas. The Wizards’ offer carried more weight with Arenas because the guard has emerged as a star in the NBA during his time in the District. The source also said that Arenas - who has a 9 a.m. flight today to China for part of a two-week promotional tour with Adidas - likely will take less than the max to help give the Wizards more flexibility financially.
It looks like Ernie offered the max to let Gilbert know that he’d do it if it meant possibly losing him. Kind of like the “you’re my guy” comment from Abe. But Arenas could still sign with the Wizards for less and let Ernie know that he should rather use the luxury cap room to sign some help that could contribute to a championship run. I hope that I’m right and that Gilbert decides that this is the best offer.
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by cuppettcj on
Jul 1, 2008 12:31 PM EDT
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Title Should Read - Let's Clear the Confusion
Sorry about that. :)
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by cuppettcj on
Jul 1, 2008 12:32 PM EDT
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Yeah, good call
I glossed over that when reading it.
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by Mike Prada on
Jul 1, 2008 12:33 PM EDT
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Lot going on today
but there always is, isn’t there?
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by Truth About It on
Jul 1, 2008 12:34 PM EDT
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You Arenas worshipers make me laugh
What, you guys don’t believe your boy? He said he would sign if Wizards re-sign Jamison and he would be flexiable to allow Wizards to sign Jamison. Well let see if he is a man of his word.. The post said EG offered him the max and then told him how it would impact the re-structing of the team. Gil said he wants to play on a contender. Logically all this points to a re-signing with the Wizards…logically. If you go off of what Arenas has been saying/blogging will be a Wizard. If not…oh well…
by LoneWiz54 on
Jul 1, 2008 12:34 PM EDT
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I Was One Who Said We Should Let Gilbert Leave...
...but only if we did a sign-and-trade and got something back from him in return! Otherwise we still don’t have any cap room to sign anybody and we lose a big contributor to our team.
Also, before you throw Gilbert under the bus, read the latest from Mike Jones:
Offering Arenas the max would make things tight financially for the Wizards, but a source close to the guard said Arenas is considering “leaving money on the table” to help give his team more flexibility.
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by cuppettcj on
Jul 1, 2008 12:39 PM EDT
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why should gil take less?
that’d be stupid of him to do.
AJ didn’t do it.
Abe isn’t going to pay a luxury tax.
why should gil carry the weight when other components of the team aren’t?
by DarrellWalkerFan on
Jul 1, 2008 12:42 PM EDT
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Because Gil Wants to Win a Championship
He’s said that many times before. He said way back when the Wizards signed AJ the first time that he wants to win more than anything else. He said he would only consider going to another team if that team was able to compete. He said he would take less money to sign pieces that would help.
The ball is in his court now. What AJ did is irrelevant. If Gil wants to stay with the Wiz and get help, he’ll sign for less than the max. Otherwise, he can max out one of two teams that he wants.
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by cuppettcj on
Jul 1, 2008 12:46 PM EDT
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what AJ did is not irrelevant
that’s the reason Gil now has to mull over taking way less than max money, BECAUSE signing AJ doesn’t put the wiz over the top!!!!!
now, unless he takes a drastic pay cut against the market, which won’t happen, what GIL does is irrelevant.
if he wants to win a title, maybe he should look elsewhere, to a team whose cap space isn’t blown for the foreseeable future.
by DarrellWalkerFan on
Jul 1, 2008 12:56 PM EDT
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All I Can Do is Tell You What I've Read
Same link, lower paragraph:
Arenas had a 9 a.m. flight Tuesday to China for part of a two-week promotional tour with Adidas. He has a layover in Toronto, during which he is scheduled to talk to Wizards owner Abe Pollin about the team’s offer. The source said Arenas likely won’t agree to the new deal until returning from China and once the NBA releases the salary cap numbers for the coming year so he will have a better idea of what the Wizards have to work with and how he can help by “leaving money on the table.”
Gil would definitely need to take a significant pay cut to make that happen, but don’t assume that you know anything that Gilbert would do.
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by cuppettcj on
Jul 1, 2008 1:06 PM EDT
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that piece
was the most enlightening. (If Gilbert really is waiting to see what the cap is so he can massage his numbers to help the team.)
by Jheiser3 on
Jul 1, 2008 1:08 PM EDT
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that's nice
with AJ’s contract he’s going to have to do a LOT of massaging. if gil was looking out for AJ, do you think for one minute that AJ was looking out for gil? or for a championship team?
again, at this point, i think it would be dumb of gil to take less. i don’t really see what gil could reasonably do to significantly increase the chances of the wizards winning a title with what we’ve got in place right now, unless gil takes an unreasonable pay cut.
by DarrellWalkerFan on
Jul 1, 2008 1:34 PM EDT
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I Agree With You
That AJ was not as accommodating as he should have been. That still doesn’t mean that Gil won’t be. Perhaps winning a title is more important to Gil than it is to Antawn. If that’s the case, then I may have to reevaluate my opinions on both players.
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by cuppettcj on
Jul 1, 2008 1:36 PM EDT
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If it's possible
I agree with both of you.
Like DWF, I’m upset that Antawn didn’t do what Gilbert is being asked to do. If Antawn really shared the same vision as Gilbert and really thinks this team is close to a championship, he would have accepted the 3 year/27 million dollar offer, instead of having his agent be really immature about it and ask for 4 years/80 million. Imagine if Gilbert did that? People here would never forgive him. Yet because Antawn is this supposed classy guy, he gets away with that.
Plan B should have been to let Antawn walk, re-sign Gilbert, replace Antawn with a mid-level free agent on a short-term deal (Kurt Thomas, perhaps), and hope Andray improved enough to eventually take over the position. By aligning their fates with each other, though, both dug their own graves.
However, I also agree with cuppettcj that it shouldn’t really impact Gilbert’s thought process. If Antawn signed for 9 million/year, the Wizards may have a little more room under the tax, but not enough to really make a huge dent. Gilbert also forced the Wizards hand by aligning himself publicly with Antawn, and he’s created his own storm with all the public comments about taking less money. If he wasn’t so outspoken, perhaps the Wizards wouldn’t have asked him to take less money.
One thing’s for sure. Gilbert needs to stop getting blamed for not taking a pay cut when Antawn didn’t do the same.
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by Mike Prada on
Jul 1, 2008 2:44 PM EDT
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I think there's an important difference
It’s the difference between “all star” and “superstar.” All-stars can ask for big bucks, as Jamison did. But pretty much all their money is going to be coming from the new contract. Of course Jamison went for four years instead of three, this is the last contract he has a chance to get paid big on!
Superstars don’t make all their money from the contract. Gil is making $35 million from Adidas. He’s got other endorsement deals too, and if he manages to win a championship… hell, that’s probably worth $50 million for a superstar. You think D-Wade would be on those Fave 5 commercials if he hadn’t won the NBA finals? Without finals MVP, D-Wade is Chis Bosh: great player, not in the center of the public eye, though.
What that means is that, if Gilbert thinks leaving money on the table now can increase his chance of winning a championship, there’s actually an economic upside to taking a pay cut. If making $90 million instead of $124 million gives him a chance of bringing in another $70 million in endorsement deals, and along the way makes him look like a class act, cementing his reputation for loving the game… that’s a smart economic move.
Even if the Wiz win a championship, though, AJ isn’t going to make ridiculous endorsement money. If he wants to get paid, he has to do it through contract negotiations. Add to that the fact that he just had his best year ever, is a leader of this team, and has a serious asking price on the market, and there’s a real sense in which he’s earned this payday. Would it be nice for him to say “8 million a year is plenty, let’s win a championship!”? Sure. But it’s a lot harder for an agingall-star to do that than a superstar. There’s no possibility of making the money back and then some by winning.
by sierradave on
Jul 2, 2008 12:20 AM EDT
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Good Points
I hadn’t thought about the financial incentives for Gil to take less money.
On the other hand, if Gil follows through and does turn down Ernie’s max contract offer and instead signs for less money, would it not be unprecedented in the history of professional sports? I’ve heard of guys turning down higher offers from one team to play for another; that happens all of the time. I’ve also heard of big name football players volunteering to restructure their contracts to sign other players to help their team, but from what I understand about restructuring contracts, they still get the same amount of money, they’re just paid in different ways or amounts per years. Has anyone ever heard of a guy being offered a contract to play for a particular team, but then turning down that contract offer so that he can sign for less to play for the same team? I can think of as many professional athletes that have done that as the number on Gilbert’s jersey.
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by cuppettcj on
Jul 2, 2008 8:47 AM EDT
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Shaq took less in his extension in Miami, but they added a year to make up for it.
by Jheiser3 on
Jul 2, 2008 10:20 AM EDT
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But Did Shaq Turn Down a Higher Offer From the Heat First?
Did Shaq have a contract offer of greater value in front of him before he rejected it and signed for less to help the team?
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by cuppettcj on
Jul 2, 2008 10:41 AM EDT
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i seem to remember
tim duncan reportedly taking less
by DarrellWalkerFan on
Jul 2, 2008 10:46 AM EDT
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Read Rook's Points in the Jamison Contract Thread
Link.
For contract extensions the Maximum Raise is 10.5% of the salary in the last season of the contract being extended.
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Ivan Carter’s blog this morning confirms the first year number is $9.9 Million
Gil may not have to do that much massaging after all.
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by cuppettcj on
Jul 1, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
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I'm not throwing Gil under the bus..
He has been very up front about this from the beginning. This is business and it is about money. The fans/posters are the ones confusing the issue. WIzards are not going to be able to sign Gil, Jamison and some vet FA all at the same time, if Gil gets what he said he was after in the very beginnig..a max contract. Most likely we will see Mason leave for another team and have a team of young backups that may or may not develop into a solid bench.
by LoneWiz54 on
Jul 1, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
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I still don't get your point
Other than saying the ball is in Arenas’ court, which it most definitely is. I’m not sure why you feel the need to demean “Arenas worshippers.”
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by Mike Prada on
Jul 1, 2008 2:36 PM EDT
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I am not demeaning anyone...
I just don’t agree with those that think Arenas should give the Wizards some kind of home team discount. He opt out for more money..period. He has said a lot of things since this first came out and one of those things is he wants a max contract. OK, Wizards seem to be willing to give him one. Now some are saying Gil should not take a max to help the team..he should be a “team player’...ect…ect …ect. Well I am saying he doesn’t have to. Everyone disagrees when I say he is not a max contract player, now when the Wizards wants to make him one, everyone wants him not to take max money! The only confusing part is what the fans want/are asking of Arenas. The whole senario was to get Gil and Jamison. Good chance we can’t have our cake (Arenas and Jamison) and icing (Mason) too. That is my point.
by LoneWiz54 on
Jul 1, 2008 2:47 PM EDT
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Huh?
Everyone disagrees when I say he is not a max contract player
I’m not sure where you get that idea. I argued against it here. Cuppettcj wrote an entire proposal for Jermaine O’Neal so we’d have to avoid a max contract for Gilbert. Others have argued against it as well.
I think the problem is that you keep saying it over and over again thinking that nobody agrees with you. That’s just not the case. You don’t need to restate that part of your position every time you comment.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on
Jul 1, 2008 2:58 PM EDT
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Also..a discussion board where
everyone agrees or has the same beliefs is boring…sometimes I just like taking the opposite point of view for discussion sake. I would love to have Arenas, Jamison and Mason all back on this team. Do I think it is going to happen. No, sad to say, I think Mason is going else where, regardless if Gil signs max contract or not. It’s all cool.
by LoneWiz54 on
Jul 1, 2008 2:50 PM EDT
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Fine
But watch your tone. Starting off a comment with “You Arenas worshippers make me laugh” is toxic to the community. Nobody here should ever put down another poster like that.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on
Jul 1, 2008 2:54 PM EDT
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I did not put down anyone
I made a funny off hand comment. YOU are the only person that responded in a confrontational manner. Look at all your responses to the posters. You are defending your beliefs. I just give an opinion and move on, unless someone directly reply to one of my posts and that would be you. This is your board, your baby…you run it how you wish. But so far you have told me, how I thought and what I was thinking and you were wrong on both counts. I was just having some fun on an open topic that seems to be very touchy for you. It is what it is, like I said this is your board. I was not baiting anyone and it seems I only offended you. I promise you, it will never happen again.
by LoneWiz54 on
Jul 2, 2008 5:23 AM EDT
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Uhh.....
Maybe you can laugh with the Gilbert worshipers and not at them?
In the end…..we all just want the team to win. Differing opinions on the best way to get that done are natural.
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by Truth About It on
Jul 2, 2008 10:49 AM EDT
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What I'm saying is
Be careful how you phrase things. It doesn’t really matter who takes offense or what you intended to mean, because you started your comment like that. It’s like apologizing for something by saying “I’m sorry you got offended by my words.” No matter what, they’re still your words. You can’t get upset at people misinterpreting your tone (or even your beliefs) when you start a comment with “You Arenas worshippers make me laugh.” The burden of proof is on you, not us.
I’m sure you didn’t mean anything by that comment, and we always appreciate your comments even if I personally disagree with some of them (I disagree with a lot of comments and often say so, so you’re not alone).
I’d never tell you that you couldn’t express your opinions. I just ask you use less confrontational language and tone when doing so.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on
Jul 2, 2008 11:13 AM EDT
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Still doesn't mean he will sign for the max -
I’m hoping he will stick to his ‘sign Antawn and I’ll take less money’. Or his ‘i will take a pay cut to sign pieces to help us win a championship’ We’ll see.
by ooba on
Jul 1, 2008 12:40 PM EDT
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Nothing's Changed
UPDATE, 1:35 p.m.: Adrian Wojnarowski is reporting that Abe Pollin has OK’d a 6 year/$125 million deal. He’s also saying that it looks like the Warriors are “losing hope” of bringing him back.
Again, Abe has given the OK to a max deal, but Gil could still decide to “leave money on the table” to sign a free agent. There’s still hope.
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by cuppettcj on
Jul 1, 2008 1:53 PM EDT
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Everyone is on EDGE today!
I can’t imagine why.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on
Jul 1, 2008 3:27 PM EDT
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this is Juwan Howard all over again
Defense is absolutely critical. That’s why we’re signing these matador defenders for $30 million annually. What a joke. I’m convinced this is not Grunfeld but Pollin.
A much better plan would have been signing Okafor and trading Gil to Sacramento for Kevin Martin.
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Jul 1, 2008 5:34 PM EDT
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They can't do that
For one, I doubt the Kings would trade K-Mart. For another, he’s a base-year compensation player, so his contract is only worth half of it’s actual value in a trade.
More importantly, the cap doesn’t work like that. The Wizards started the summer with around 44 million dollars in player salary, excluding Gil, Jamison, and Mason, but including JaVale McGee. They signed Antawn for a deal worth 10 million this season, bringing that number to 54 million. The cap is around 58 million this year, so we’d only have 4 million in cap space before diving into our exceptions.
Teams can go over the cap without using an exception (mid-level, etc.), but only to sign their own free agents. They can’t do it to sign someone else’s. You can’t combine your mid-level exception with whatever cap room you have.
Okafor would never have signed for 6 million per season. Last year, he turned down a 12-million dollar per-year offer with Charlotte. Moreover, he’s a restricted free agent, meaning that even if we had the room to sign him, we would have to hope that Charlotte didn’t match the offer. If they did, we’d have no Arenas and no Okafor.
So Okafor is not an option at all. We can’t just use Arenas’ money on different players. If we could, it would be a nice alternative, but we can’t, so it’s not worth even discussing.
If we don’t sign Arenas, the fallback option would have been to use our mid-level exception on someone like Beno Udrih, our low-level exception (about 2 million dollars) on someone like Theo Ratliff, re-sign Roger Mason, and stay about 8 million dollars under the luxury tax. This would be our roster.
PG: Udrih/Daniels/Mason
SG: Stevenson/Young/Gary Forbes
SF: Butler/McGuire
PF: Jamison/Songaila/Blatche/
C: Haywood/Thomas/Pecherov/Ratliff/McGee
The only way we could afford Okafor would be to dump both Arenas and Jamison and start from scratch. One could argue that depth chart is better than re-signing Arenas, but one can’t argue that we should sign Okafor or Monta Ellis or Elton Brand or Josh Smith. We can’t.
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by Mike Prada on
Jul 1, 2008 5:51 PM EDT
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I'm not saying it's realistic
I’m saying that the team is overpaying for scorers who don’t win games. What they need is an efficient scorer (like KM) and a real defender (like Okafor).
I don’t really care how Grunfeld pulls it off, but signing these two is a step backward. I’d much rather watch Blatche get better than watch Jamison get older. And why pay $50 million for the privilege? It makes no sense.
by billyjoe on
Jul 1, 2008 6:00 PM EDT
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Well, arguing against the Jamison signing
Is different than arguing against Gilbert.
If it’s not realistic, why is it worth discussing? I want Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett instead of Gilbert and Jamison, but that’s not happening.
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by Mike Prada on
Jul 1, 2008 6:07 PM EDT
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Also
Okafor’s a restricted free agent and Martin is under contract with another team. How would we get them?
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by Mike Prada on
Jul 1, 2008 6:09 PM EDT
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Sign and trade
Take Okafor. He doesn’t want to play in Charlotte, and he’s unpopular with the fans. Trade Thomas and Blatche and what it takes to get Emeka in a sign and trade. I assume we’re stockpiling all these bigs with the idea that they might be worth something in a deal.
My point is, if your priority is winning and defense, then that’s what you pay for. If your priority is sending the message “we care about winning,” then you sign Arenas and Jamison to ridiculous contracts and pay more lip service to defense.
by billyjoe on
Jul 1, 2008 6:20 PM EDT
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Thomas and Blatche doesn't add up
Unless you sign Okafor for 9 million.
And even so, why would Charlotte do that? Would they really trade their best interior player for a guy coming off open heart surgery that wasn’t any good to begin with and a youngster who’s been in trouble with the law and has yet to reach his potential? It takes two to tango.
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by Mike Prada on
Jul 1, 2008 6:22 PM EDT
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And where's the evidence
That Okafor is unhappy?
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by Mike Prada on
Jul 1, 2008 6:22 PM EDT
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That he turned down the last offer from Charlotte for a long term deal
And his numbers are down. This is a guy who was benched at the end of games last season. Why would Charlotte do it? So they can get something for a guy who doesn’t want to play there. I’m not saying Thomas and Blatche are enough, but it’s a good opening bid.
by billyjoe on
Jul 1, 2008 6:26 PM EDT
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I'm still not convinced Charlotte wants to trade Okafor
Him rejecting a contract extension screams “I can make more,” not “I hate this place.” And how does his production going downhill indicate he’s unhappy? It may indicate they’re unhappy with him, but I don’t see how it says the opposite.
If we could trade Blatche and Thomas for Emeka Okafor, Ernie should be Executive of the Year. But how does that trade help Charlotte? One team’s trash can’t be another team’s treasure.
Forget initial offers. What offer do you think Charlotte would realistically accept?
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by Mike Prada on
Jul 1, 2008 6:39 PM EDT
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Charlotte has no front line
How about Thomas, Blatche, and McGee, plus a pick? That’s a haul, but Charlotte is arguably rebuilding, and definitely would be rebuilding without Okafor, who would be a steal at $13 million/year.
by billyjoe on
Jul 1, 2008 6:44 PM EDT
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I'd do that
Only problem is we’d have no depth and we’d still be up against the tax with no cap flexibility. But with Okafor joining the fold, we could start him and Haywood, move Jamison to sixth man, and have the league’s best six-man rotation.
I still don’t think Charlotte does that, but at least it’s more realistic.
I think we’re better off waiting until the 2010 trade deadline and use our expiring contracts on teams like Charlotte looking to dump guys and get a head start on the 2010 free agent class. Then, we could get a guy like Okafor for practically nothing.
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by Mike Prada on
Jul 1, 2008 6:50 PM EDT
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Okafor would have to sign for just over 10 million
Thomas=~6.5 million
Blatche=3 million
McGee= just over 1 million
13 million is too much for Okafor, IMO. He’s not a good enough scorer to give that much away. 10 million is more reasonable.
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by Mike Prada on
Jul 1, 2008 6:52 PM EDT
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It does not matter
The League sets the value for a player; so it does not matter whether you don’t think Okafor is worth $13M… if there’s a team out there that does.. that would be his price…
Like with Gilbert’s situation – there are lots of folks that don’t think he’s a “max contract” player – but Golden State does…. and that’s all that matters.
by Rook6980 on
Jul 1, 2008 7:01 PM EDT
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I guess I just don't see where that 13-million market is coming from
Maybe it comes and I’m proven wrong, but from what it seems, nobody’s banging on Okafor’s door asking for 13 million.
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by Mike Prada on
Jul 1, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
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Nope.
Is everyone forgetting that Okafor has a bad back?
He may be alright now, but stability down the line is very suspect.
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by Truth About It on
Jul 1, 2008 9:36 PM EDT
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Then what happens if Andray turns out to be Okafor?
might not happen next year, but with the Bullets luck, he’d pass that up and become Rasheed by the year after that.
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by Evander holyfield on
Jul 1, 2008 7:08 PM EDT
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Exactly....
We would be sealing the Curse O’ Les Boulez forever if we trade young potential for a bad back.
Not saying that AB is a shoe-in if the Wiz keep him, but I’d bet the farm on him becoming a star if he left.
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by Truth About It on
Jul 1, 2008 9:38 PM EDT
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Gotta love this franchise
Wizards Basketball: Where players becoming All-Stars…after they leave the team happens.
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by JakeTheSnake on
Jul 1, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
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Yea! Beno pick and pop with AJ! sick!
and I’m sure NY wants to see what it’d be like to have the ridiculous penetration of Beno too. Don’t you love the depth of that spot Prada?
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by Evander holyfield on
Jul 1, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
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I sure hope he signs with GS
You can always dream.
by billyjoe on
Jul 1, 2008 5:37 PM EDT
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Gilbert is a smart guy, and though he says a lot of things...
I believe he says them all for some reason or another. He said he wanted AJ back on the team, and would reward the Wiz by re-signing if that goes through. He also said he wanted the max, but would take less if it meant re-signing AJ, making the team better. EG made this happen swiftly, and is trying to re-sign Gil just as fast. Gil has tons of pride, and I expect him to stick to his word of two years. He doesn’t wear the number 0 for nothing. He has stood up to haters all his life, and he is at a place in his life now where the ball is entirely in his court, and he has a chance to make a difference on this squad like no other player can this year.
Gilbert is a top 10 talent in the NBA. Though I’ve argued against giving him max money, if max money is what it takes to keep him on the Wiz, max money he should get. If he does get $124/6yrs, can anyone argue against a healthy, maxed out Gilbert Arenas achieving anything less than playing his heart out for this team? If we were in 1st place in the East a couple years ago when Gil first got injured, wouldn’t one think we could win 50 games next season with a healthy core of 3 all stars in Gil, Caron, AJ, along with veterans AD, Deshawn, Darius, and emerging youngsters NY and (hopefully) Andray??? All of whom have spent the last 3 years learning to play with each other under some pretty crazy circumstances… When healthy, just like a couple years ago in the playoffs, nobody would want a first round series against this squad. Though I’m TERRIFIED of losing Gil to an injury, I’d be left with a void if I couldn’t see what this team is fully capable of with him healthy. ESPECIALLY if Gilbert went elsewhere and felt like he had someone else who doubted him to take it out on.
Like Prada said before, I see no coincidence in Gil leaving for China on the morning of the start of free agency. EG reportedly made him an offer off the bat. He reportedly got another lucrative offer from Golden State. He now has 2 whole weeks to 1) strategize his point of view in negotiations with no distractions, while 2)making everyone sweat, and 3) waiting for the salary cap a,d luxury tax figures to come out. He can then 4) stick to his word and negotiate a reasonable contract.
I think Gilbert appreciates Antawn’s signing, as well as the hefty offer EG came with, pulling no stops in the process. I’d be happy if Gil signed for anywhere in the 105-115 mil per 6 years range, but at this point I’d also be happy with giving him the max, because I’d be sure he’d come out with that same need to prove his worth and show everyone that basketball is his life.
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by Evander holyfield on
Jul 1, 2008 7:02 PM EDT
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Great post.
I can’t understand all this hate for Gil, especially from Wiz fans. Everywhere I go people are crushing him as one dimensional, selfish,annoying and having a losing attitude. Funny how I didn’t hear any of this when he was dropping game winners left and right. When healthy, Gil is a special player, who has only scratched the surface of his potential, especially in regards to being a winner and team player. I can’t wait until he takes less money to help build a contender. Maybe then all us Gil worshipers can have the last laugh.
If this turns out how I hope it will, with Gil signing for a reduced rate, allowing the Wiz to use part or all of the MLE to add a Posey or Mason type talent, then the Wiz front office has to get props. Offering Gil a max deal was the only move in this situation. Just as Ivan wrote earlier, it feeds Gil’s ego, makes him feel wanted and loved, while giving him the opportunity to get universal praise by signing for less for the good of the team. Even if he does take the Max, was there any alternative? If you low ball Gil you risk losing him for nothing, and any chance of him taking a reduced contract is out the window. Ernie is a smart dude and knows how Gil operates, and it shows through negotiations.
I like where this is going even if the most prominent thought I’m hearing is the Wiz are doomed to mediocrity for years. Health permitting, I think this is a 50 win team.
by DT711 on
Jul 2, 2008 10:53 AM EDT
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I'm just curious
Would you all rather be dealing with this or this?
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by JakeTheSnake on
Jul 1, 2008 7:07 PM EDT
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Seriously, Ron. I mean SERIOUSLY???
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by Evander holyfield on
Jul 2, 2008 1:31 AM EDT
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Interesting
The Washington Times is reporting that: “the Wizards told their other unrestricted free agent, backup guard Roger Mason Jr., that they intended to re-sign him after Arenas. “
Looks like we’re going to be treated to the same team as last year… Hopefully, everyone stays healthy…..
I really believe that the key to NBA success is that a Very Good team has to stay relatively healthy for the entire year to have a chance to win the Championship.
See Boston last year… (top 7 guys averaged 76 games played) or San Antonio in 2006-07 (top 7 guys averaged 75 games played), or even Miami in 2005-06 (the top 7 guys averaged 74 games played)....
Compare that to the Wizards, where our top 7 guys averaged 56 games played (including Arenas and Thomas)... Even if you take out Thomas and substitute Mason, the top 7 guys only averaged 67 games played.
Throw in a major injury or two to any of those teams, and they don’t win…. (See Miami in 2006-2007)...
You can go back in time for the last 20 years and see the correlation…. Championship caliber teams are teams that remained relatively healthy…
by Rook6980 on
Jul 2, 2008 11:48 AM EDT
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Link?
I saw that too, though.
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by Mike Prada on
Jul 2, 2008 12:01 PM EDT
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Link
Link to the Rodger Mason quote from the Washington Times.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/02/pollin-keeping-promise/
by Rook6980 on
Jul 2, 2008 12:20 PM EDT
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Thanks
Interesting…I hope Roger just takes someone else’s offer, otherwise we won’t have enough room for someone like Posey.
Something tells me that won’t happen though.
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by Mike Prada on
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