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Unnecessary urgency

If all the latest reports are to be believed, it might be a matter of hours before Gilbert Arenas gets the fat new contract he's been seeking since last summer.  Ivan Carter (first link) says he expects the Wizards to be "aggressive" with Arenas, and Mike Jones (second link) has been told that "the Wizards realize it's important to present a handsome offer to Agent Zero right off the bat."

Alright, I'm prepared.  I just have one question.

What's the rush?

Now, I think everyone here knows my position on Arenas is that the idea that the Wizards are better without him is pure baloney (as opposed to...unpure baloney?  What was I thinking here?).   Losing him for nothing or sign-and-trading him are situations I'd like to avoid hearing about.  My feeling, as a fan, is that it'll absolutely suck if Gilbert Arenas is playing for someone else next season. 

Still, let's be honest here.  Gilbert wants at least 100 million dollars over the next six years and reportedly won't settle for less than 15 million in the first year of the deal, but is asking for this with very little negotiating strength.  As the esteemed Kelly Dwyer reminds us, the market simply isn't there for him.

Where is Arenas going to find half that on the open market?

Where, exactly, is Gilbert going to sign for maybe a third of that with another team on the open free agent market?

And ... I've repeated myself. No matter, because it deserved the echo. Only the Philadelphia 76ers and Memphis Grizzlies have significant cap space this summer, and the Sixers are no doubt going to use a good chunk of theirs trying to re-sign Andre Iguodala.

It's doubtful Arenas wants anything to do with a rebuilding effort in Memphis, while the Grizz probably don't want to pay a player in his prime while the youngsters are still years away. And certainly without Arenas' potential clone - O.J. Mayo - already on board making maybe $4 million a year.

So that leaves the Wizards to bid against themselves. Sure, there could be a sign and trade, but base-year compensation complications rear their ugly head if Gilbert's first-year raise is too significant, and what big contract (because the contracts have to match in a trade) would Washington take back in return? Who would they want?

Long quote, I know.  But it really needs to be said.  There is nobody out there other than the Wizards who can pay Arenas anywhere near the amount he wants.  Literally.  Memphis supposedly has around 15 million dollars of cap space this summer, but they don't seem inclined to spend it all.  Even if they did, they already have too many point guards and Gilbert wouldn't want to go to a rebuilding effort yet again.  Philadelphia, assuming they re-sign Andre Iguodala, probably has about 12 million of cap space, but they also have Andre Miller and Louis Williams under contract at Gilbert's position.  Even if those teams did have the necessary cap room, they couldn't offer Arenas as sixth year, as we've mentioned here before.

Gilbert may be crazy, but he's not stupid.  He knows there isn't much of a market out there for him.  He knows he needs to make his position stronger.

Call me crazy, but something tells me this two-week trip to China at the beginning of free agency is a calculated negotiating ploy.  He's forcing Ernie Grunfeld to make a decision, or else he won't be heard from for two weeks.

Before you shoot this down, let me explain myself.  If he had an agent, this whole China trip wouldn't matter, because the two sides could still negotiate while Arenas was out selling shoes to young Chinese ballers.  But because Gilbert has chosen to represent himself, Ernie must talk to him about any contract matters.  From the sounds of it, Gilbert won't be in the mood to talk from China.  Ernie is now faced with a choice.  Either give Gilbert what he wants in the next nine hours, or wait for two whole weeks before resuming negotiations. 

It's brilliant and it only works because Gilbert is nuts.  Because he's such a lunatic on and off the court, many of those close to Gilbert actually believe he'd do something crazy if he doesn't get what he wants.   Want proof?  Think about this Mike Jones anecdote for a second.

He has already proven himself to be a cut-throat negotiator when signing his latest shoe deal. Arenas once recounted the story to me. He wanted $5 million a year, Adidas wanted to give him $3 million. Arenas said, "Fine, I'll go the @%!$# home with my $2.5, wait for the deal to run out and go somewhere else." Adidas' representatives watched Arenas walk and once the deal ran out, he started to talking to other shoe companies until Adidas came back at him with the figure he wanted.

Funny story.  It made me laugh for a second.  But here's the thing: Gilbert can't talk to other teams like he can talk to other shoe companies.  Presumably, every shoe company is allowed to offer Arenas as much as they want to sign him.  Gilbert could go to Nike, ask for 5 million, and Nike would be allowed to take up his request if they feel he's worth that much.  But it doesn't work like that in the NBA.  Gilbert can't just go to the Lakers and ask for a max contract, because the salary cap doesn't permit the Lakers from making that offer.  So why is Jones mentioning it?  Beats me, but my guess is that, subconsciously, he's making a connection between Gilbert's antics and Gilbert's contract negotiation.   Why else do you think Gilbert would have told Jones that story?

Gilbert's banking on Ernie caving to his demands instead of dealing with a drawn-out situation, but Ernie can still call Gilbert's bluff.  Nothing is going to change in two weeks.  If anything, things will look worse for Gilbert.  Memphis and Philly may have used that cap room already.  Sign-and-trade opportunities may have dwindled as teams sign new free agents.  If Gilbert still doesn't get what he wants after resuming the negotiations upon his return, what could he possibly do?  He could hold out, like Anderson Varejao, but why would he do that when it puts his marketing ventures in serious jeopardy (remember, he's barely played in over a year).

It's a different situation from the Jamison negotiations.  At the end of his post, Dwyer bemoans Jamison's contract, wondering why a 32-year old power forward like him could possibly be worth that much money.  I wish Jamison would have signed for less, but I understand why we had to do itConspiracy or not, there was reportedly a big offer from Philadelphia, so the threat of Jamison leaving was real.  Jamison's contract may make him overpaid for his age and skill set, but in this free agent market, it's proper value, because some team did try to pry him away for a similar price. 

With Arenas, though, there's no risk of that alternative.  We would be bidding against ourselves, literally.  And I don't mean like we allegedly did with DeShawn Stevenson last summer.

So I ask again.  What's the rush?

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Whats the deal w/ the Clips?

I thought they had (potentially) cap room?

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 1, 2008 12:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Very unlikely

Clips Nation explains it better than I could.

Forget Arenas and Davis. Yes, Arenas is an unrestricted free agent, and Davis could be one by the end of the day. But as it happens, their free agent status is not particularly relevant, as the Clippers would not have the money under the cap to offer them what they want unless LA renounces their rights to both Corey Maggette and Elton Brand. Since that is extremely unlikely, Arenas and Davis should only be viewed as available (because they may be less than 100% happy with their current teams) via sign and trade. Even so, it’s unlikely that the Clippers would be able or willing to put together the deal necessary to land either of these two.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jul 1, 2008 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's ironic

to hear you say this:

“Jamison’s contract may make him overpaid for his age and skill set, but in this free agent market, it’s proper value, because some team did try to pry him away for a similar price.”

when you are as unhappy with etan’s contract as you are.

by that logic, you could make an argument we should have matched offers to hughes and jeffries and it would have been proper value.

gonna go sleep this one off, but i truly think we just overpaid on a $50 million contract by roughly $20 million.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jul 1, 2008 1:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Second

Yea, we overpaid, but Jamison is worth it.

Neither Larry nor Jared should be in the convo.

Representing DC with Wizards & Stuff - Truth About It Dot Net

by Truth About It on Jul 1, 2008 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Golden State

With Baron gone couldn’t GS be in the market for Arenas too? I still think Gil will remain in Washington but that made me a little more nervous.

by ello on Jul 1, 2008 7:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Baron has to opt out

I was just about to say that won’t happen – then I figured I would double check before I posted and saw he passed up 17.8 million to test free agency. I guarantee the first year of his new contract is not going to top that money.

I wonder how much cap room GS has now?

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 1, 2008 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okaaay

GS has already offered a 100 mil contract to Arenas.

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Jul 1, 2008 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

WOW

This is not good. That’s $100 million over 5 years ($20 million per year)! I guess Prada’s theory is shot out of the water. There is at least one team out there that now has the cap room and the strong desire to sign Gilbert. Yet another reason to resign him quickly. Even though I would have let Arenas go if I was the GM, I would not let him walk without doing a sign-and-trade and getting at least something back in return. To do so would be to leave us without one of our best players and not have the cap room to sign a replacement.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Jul 1, 2008 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeez

I guess this kills my entire argument. Wow.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Jul 1, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Leave it to GS to throw a monkey wrench into your well thought out blog entry !!

by Rook6980 on Jul 1, 2008 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kings Want Gilbert Too

See my fanpost – http://www.bulletsforever.com/2008/7/1/562434/kings-want-gilbert-too

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Jul 1, 2008 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’d have to take the MLE or make a sign and trade agreement to go there. IOW, he’d need Ernie’s help.

The Kings want a lot of things doesn’t mean they have the ability to get them.

by Jheiser3 on Jul 1, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Besides

To do a sign and trade, Ernie would want something substantial back that would help the team.

Not a whole lot of assets on Sacramento’s team that would help the Wizards… Especially if you try to take $16 – $17 Million in salary to make it work… Remember, you can’t just trade Arenas for like 5 or 6 young guys (not enough roster spots)... Most you can trade for is for 3 players.

Kevin Martin and Ron Artest would work – salary wise – but then the Wiz would be without a Starting PG. AND then how do you get enough minutes for Nick Young… and where does Artest play?

Nope – unless you got a third team involved, there’s just not enough there to make it worthwhile for the Wizards.. Nothing fits.

by Rook6980 on Jul 1, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's Why
So I ask again. What’s the rush?

There would be none, unless Ernie wants to sign another free agent. That’s the only way it makes sense. He overpaid Antawn slightly over the length of his deal in order to get Antawn to sign for less than $10 million his first year. He wants to get Gil’s deal out of the way so that he knows exactly how much cash he’s got to sign another free agent. I hope it’s not for RMJr, though.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Jul 1, 2008 8:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just a thought...

What if we could do a two way Sign & trade with Golden State. We give Gil the 6 year contract and send him to GS, they send us a freshly signed Monta Ellis. I know it’s probably far fetched, but if the Warriors are enamored with Arenas, maybe we could convince them to send Ellis our way? IMO Ellis is like a young Arenas.

by TremendousUpside on Jul 1, 2008 9:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Rush Is....

To get this thing out of the way and in the past.

The longer that Gilbert remains unsigned, the greater the chance that something crazy can happen (for the Wiz and for Gil)....

Plus, having Gil dangling kinda leaves Ernie handcuffed from making any other roster adjustments until then.

Representing DC with Wizards & Stuff - Truth About It Dot Net

by Truth About It on Jul 1, 2008 9:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Our Team is Here.

I know we have trouble getting past the 1st or 2nd round, but don’t you just LOVE this team! I’m just assuming Gil is signed, and we’ve got the team we’ve got. Now let’s talk some serious shop.

What must we do to make some noise in the playoffs???

by se7en on Jul 1, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Win

What must we do to make some noise in the playoffs???

Answer: Win some games during the regular season!

by Rook6980 on Jul 1, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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