In the land of the projects
I thought and thought for about 30 minutes trying to find a beginning to this post. Right now, I have nothing, so I'll just come out and say it.
This is an extremely disappointing draft. I think we all agreed that the Wizards needed to come away with someone who could play a backup role right away. We conceded that, at 18, you won't get a difference-maker, but because there are so many mid-level veterans with bloated contracts occupying our bench, it would be outstanding if we could find a contributor cheaply. There seemed to be plenty of guys around who could do that. Even after Speights and Hibbert went in the two picks before us, there was still Arthur, Hickson, Chalmers and others around to draft. Arthur was not someone I liked coming in, but at the very least, he could play in the league right now.
Instead, it appears we came away with yet another project, wasting the sense of urgency that we need. I don't think I'd have a major problem with the JaVale McGee pick if we didn't already have Andray Blatche and Oleksiy Pecherov. Both are our projected big men of the future, but both still need some work to get there. Blatche showed signs last year, but he has a ways to go. Pecherov, meanwhile, didn't show anything at all. But both needed to be developed, even if that meant throwing them into the fire a little bit.
Now, you can add JaVale McGee to that list. I get why Ernie liked the kid; 7'6'' wingspan, the ability to run the floor, the shot-blocking, the fact that he can shoot, etc. But the fact is, he's a project. He was a freshman in the Western Athletic Conference last year, replacing an all-time Nevada great in Nick Fazekas. He couldn't even rebound well enough in that conference, and his assist-to-turnover ratio makes one shutter. Worse yet, as Icantfeelmyface mentioned, he's a positively awful man-to-man defender. Great. Exactly what this team needs.
I think every Wizards fan has to be extremely disappointed with Ernie Grunfeld. As Pickaxe and Roll mentioned, the draft is the only place where someone can get a player for nothing. Teams that are able to find contributors late in the draft have such a huge advantage over those who keep rolling the dice looking for a superstar instead of getting the role player right in front of them. Those that are successful take advantage of this opportunity. In his tenure as Wizards GM, Ernie Grunfeld has not done that, with the exception of the Nick Young pick last year. This time, with potential role players in J.J. Hickson, Mario Chalmers and Darrell Arthur around to potentially plug major holes on this team (rebounding, post scoring, perimeter defense), Ernie decided to roll the dice on some crazy big man project from Nevada. That doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
None of this is JaVale McGee's fault, and nobody should be taking it out on him. He is a Wizard right now, and I'll root for him to reach his potential. He seems like a pretty good kid, and I have to give him a lot of credit for putting on 15 pounds since the end of the season. Unlike Blatche, he seems dedicated to improving, and if he somehow does reach his potential, we have a Marcus Camby-like paint enforcer on our hands. I just fear he'll never get there, or worse yet, he'll get there, but only after he gets traded.
I have less of a problem with the selling of Bill Walker, though I'm very disappointed he won't come play here for purely selfish reasons. At the very least, he could have competed with D-Mac for backup small forward minutes, and he provides a dose of athleticism that would have been very aesthetically pleasing for any fan. But the truth is, he's a second-round pick, and it saves us about 700,000 dollars if he isn't on our roster. McGuire's a better player than him anyway. Richard Hendrix, though, would have been a great addition as a beefy, polished guy to balance out our lengthy frontcourt. I'm upset Ernie didn't use the pick on him, but ultimately, we're talking about a pick that would have been a nice bonus if he even made the team.
The bottom line is that the chance to add a legitimate rotation player went astray in a third big man project. Meanwhile, Cleveland still kills us on the boards, we still can't defend the three or guard good perimeter scorers, we're right on the luxury tax and unable to make major pushes in free agency unless we get rid of Gilbert or Antawn, which would be incredibly stupid.
As a Wizards fan, I'm very dejected tonight. We all should be.
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After going over all the material I can find on McGee
I have changed some of my views of his impact on the Wizards. One thing I have learn the kid is willing to work hard to improve. His skill set is off the charts. He coming in, is the best shot blocker on the team. After reading write ups on him at DraftExpress and some of his hometown papers, I take back the “soft” label I placed on him. What Wizards have is a guy with as much potential as Andray Blatche, without the baggage. He has Pro Basketball in his genes and I think he may be in the “big” rotation a lot sooner than we think if he outshines Blatche and OPec in the summer leagues and training camps. And I tell you, if those 2 have NOT been working on their games, McGee outshining them will not be a surprise.
Hey, At Least We Didn't Sell Both Picks
First post, great site guys. McGee isn’t a bad pick. Most of us are probably just bitter that Indiana got Hibbs one pick before us. For those that are criticizing his defense based on a stupid Draft Express article, did you fail to notice that he was on the all defensive team in his conference? Also, a later article from the same site noted that his D wasn’t as bad as they had thought. Don’t put stock into these web sites until you actually see the guy play extensively. I am curious to see how he and Blatche co-exist. Maybe his presence will light a fire under Andray.
Losing Bill Walker stings because, if healthy, I thought he could have been a solid back-up to Caron. Hoepfully DMAC can step up this year instead. What concerns me most is that we are still incredibly thin at the point guard position, especially if we lose Roger Mason. Gil’s health is a question mark and AD is aging. We need an understudy that can learn the ropes from AD. I am worried that, if we give Gil a max contract (which I don’t believe he deserves), we won’t be able to sign Mason or anyone else for that matter.
Nice first post
Welcome to the site, hope you keep stopping by and commenting.
I’d just caution against painting a broad brush about Hibbert. Lots of people here didn’t want him at all.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
And as to your last point
I totally agree, which is why I wanted Chalmers in that spot.
I don’t think we’ll be able to sign Mason no matter what though.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Is Continuity All It Is Made Out To Be?
This is our last shot at continuity. I don’t see how management can justify not blowing this team up if we are one and done again next season. People are disappointed by this draft because they want progress NOW. They see Portland doing everything they can to become legitimate in the West while we stay in a holding pattern and much of the weak East is starting to get it together. We’re putting all our chips on our big three being healthy and that is a significant gamble considering their track records. More importantly, we are unable to make any substantial moves because no one wants our scrubs and we are strapped for cash. Even worse, our star player is coming off of two knee surgeries and doesn’t want to be a team leader, yet he still thinks he is worthy of a max deal. I hope he realizes we can do absolutely nothing to improve this team if he gets such a deal. It will take a change of heart on and off the court from Arenas, a healthy season from our big three, and big improvement from our youngsters to get us anywhere next season. We thought last year was the make or break season, but I’m pretty sure this is it. No more excuses.
by Hugh Miller on Jun 27, 2008 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Great post
“It will take a change of heart on and off the court from Arenas, a healthy season from our big three, and big improvement from our youngsters to get us anywhere next season.”
That’s pretty much it in a nutshell.
"Now, obviously individual production does not unilaterally equal better team production, but there's a high level of causation."
by Vanilla Gorilla on Jun 27, 2008 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Excellent Post
I recommended it. I couldn’t agree more. The fact is, we haven’t had our Big 3 healthy for an entire season since 2005-06. Each of them has their own history of injuries. The healthiest of the three last season was Jamison, but he’s probably one of the most likely to get hurt because of his age and knee problems. So to put all of our hopes on the Big 3 staying healthy for an entire season is unrealistic. What we should have done is found a way to add more complimentary pieces that can step up when one or more of the Big 3 is hurt, and contribute well off the bench when the Big 3 are healthy. As Prada has said and everyone else agrees with is that we don’t need any more projects. Let’s just hope that McGee is a lot closer to contributing than any of us foresee right now.
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In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king.....
So how does ‘in the land of the projects’ end?
....with ‘the man with time on his hands is king.’
And Prada touched on that…..the 18th pick wasn’t made with a sense of urgency.
As fans, we pretty much always have a sense of urgency…..so you gotta respect the patience of an experienced GM in Ernie Grunfeld.
Problem is….the Wizards, I would say, have a three year window (the theoretical length of Jamison’s contract) before making drastic moves…...but as I type that, I’m almost resigned to the fact that something drastic may happen much sooner.
In any case, we don’t need a player who may develop at the end of that three years. We want a player ready to develop now.
I don’t think the desire of fans is close to hitting any type of panic button…...but after tasting the playoffs for the past four years, can anyone blame Wizards fans for wanting to push down on the gas pedal a little harder?
More than the selection of McGee, I’m miffed that the Wizards traded Billy Walker for cash. Who knows what the kid would have done? I really don’t care.
The cash just doesn’t do a damn thing to enhance the team in the present or the future. All is does it get us more promotional trinkets for a handful of home games….or pays part of the salary of that damn MC Styles. Who cares?
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by Kyle Weidie on Jun 27, 2008 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts
I was pretty disappointed that we got another not-ready-for-prime-time big man when it appeared that guys who could contribute were available, but I’m not entirely bummed out. Here’s what i think:
—I’m willing to give Ernie the benefit of the doubt. He made a different pick than I would have, but I’m happy to concede that he knows what he’s doing way better than I do, and I’ll wait to see how things turn out before passing judgment. If McGee contributes nothing this season (like Blatche and Pecherov in their rookie years) then I think we have reason to be unhappy. If he can bring some energy and shotblocking off the bench while showing that he’s committed to getting stronger and improving his game, then it’s probably a good pick (provided Hickson doesn’t turn out to be a beast). Also, despite his reputation as a decent shooter, I’d much rather see McGee focus on his inside game.
- I take the draft website scouting reports with a grain of salt. I love reading them, and there’s no doubt that those guys work hard and know their stuff, but the sheer amount of info they put out makes it seem certain that there’s going to be a fair amount of misinformation in there somewhere. Furthermore, I’ve seen plenty of direct contradictions - the guys from ESPN will rave about the outside shooting of a prospect after seeing the same workout that prompted Givony to identify shooting as a weakness. Not only is it entirely subjective, but there’s plenty of ways simple mistakes can botch up a scouting report. Again, I trust Ernie’s judgment more than those guys.
—I am disappointed we dealt the second rounder. Ernie’s been pretty good at finding value in the second round, so getting nothing is a bummer (cash considerations, bah!). And instead, the Celtics stockpile lottery potential (Giddens and Walker) despite picking very late. Maybe Ainge doesn’t suck as bad as some of us thought (obviously, his ability to Jedi mind-trick Kevin McHale into an imbalanced trade is pretty good: “These are not the droids power forwards you’re looking for.”)
"Now, obviously individual production does not unilaterally equal better team production, but there's a high level of causation."
by Vanilla Gorilla on Jun 27, 2008 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Draft Speculation
...is pretty annoying. No one has any idea about how this kid will pan out. A 7’0 kid with those skills may be a great center. The fact is, we bitch about everything, especially (before last year), our center play. Now, we draft a center, and we bitch about not liking him.
I know you’ll root for him, etc., but it’s the Washington Way to immediately decry our picks. I like the pick.
Well...
At least in a couple years we’ll have three 7 footers who can hopefully contribute or be trade pieces to get other contributors.
It is a little disheartening that Grunfeld treats young, athletic 7 footers who are full of potential like Jim Bowden of the Nationals treats young, “toolsy” outfielders. One or two of them is nice, but if you fill your bench with potential, you have nothing to win with now.
"It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times!!!?? Stupid Monkeys!" ---Montgomery Burns
I guess that's my complaint too
My simian brother is on to something. We only have so many roster spots and so much money to spend, and rather than using those resources to help us win games, Ernie’s stockpiling similar players who may be terrific in a few years (big emphasis on maybe) but don’t do much to help us now.
"Now, obviously individual production does not unilaterally equal better team production, but there's a high level of causation."
by Vanilla Gorilla on Jun 27, 2008 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
OPec will never be no more than a specialist
and sad to say, at the rate he is going just living through the off-season is a major accomplishment for Blatche. So it is not a given that all 3 of these guys will development and it sure is not a given that one will develop faster than the other. You never know, McGee may be the one at the top of the rotation, this year because he has certainly been working his butt off since the college season ended and I bet you more of the same from Opec and Blatche. Summer league will tell a story in a couple of weeks.
Another Thing On Walker...
Ivan said we didn’t have room for him. He would have been the 15th player, 14th if we fail to re-sign Mason. That’s lazy reporting. That excuse only flies if we have a deal in the works and I highly doubt we do.
I'm still wondering....
Roster spot or not, the Wiz couldn’t have assigned Walker to our NBDL affiliate for rehab and seasoning?
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by Kyle Weidie on Jun 27, 2008 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Right, I didn't get that either
That comment made no sense to me. Best part was how Ivan tried to justify selling Walker to the Celtics in his chat, saying that if they kept him until cutting him, they’d get nothing for him, and by selling him now, at least we got something for him. Um, no, actually we got nothing, because that cash will not go towards helping our team in any way. The more accurate thing to say is that Abe got something for Walker.
And the too many young players…I mean, jeez. Assign one to the NBDL if you’re so concerned.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
All the complaining about Walker...
Don’t we have enough ‘walking wounded” on this team? What you think Arenas needs company rehabing his knee? We did not carry 13 players last year, what makes you think Abe is going to open up the pocketbook for 15 players, especially after he foolishly gives Gil a max contract..
I get that
But at least acquire something beyond cash.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
FIrst off...
I have a strong feeling that Gil may surprise everyone and accept a reasonable contract which won’t cripple the team. Maybe 6yr 90-100 million. Coming off two knee surgeries I just can’t see him turning that kind of cash down, especially after he criticized Gordon, Deng and Igoudala for leaving 60 mill on the table. Maybe it’s wishful thinking on my part but I think Gil is more of a “team” guy then people give him credit for. I truly believe that he wants to win badly and understands his contract will play a large role in building a contender.
On the JaVale McGee front… I was disappointed in the pick like most everyone else, but after rereading his nbadraft.com profile, and watching some video, I am much more optimistic. Also, be sure to check out his highlight video on his profile page. Sure, he is playing against so-so competition, but he has crazy athleticism for a big man. He can take the ball coast to coast and finish with emphatic dunks that men that large are not supposed to be able to do. I think Ernie decided to swing for the fences on this one. Best case he turns into a thinner, more athletic Andrew Bynum and the Wiz are set at center for a decade. That is the position we’ve all been saying needs an upgrade, right?
If two out of three pan out between Pech, Blatche and McGee, and Arenas, Butler and NY1 are in their primes(Not to mention AJ who would most likely still be a strong contributor, though on the decline), add a free agent or two and the team could be scary in 2-4 years. That would be a fast, athletic team with nice size. We would just need to add a big bodied enforcer and a point guard to compete.
Sure, we all want to compete now, but was there a player available at 18 who could put us over the hump?(By the way I wanted Chalmers) When it comes down to it, I have to be optimistic about it. We all know we will route for McGee once he suits up, so why not get on board now? It beats being depressed…
Don't agree with you on Gil..
If he was going to be a “team player” and take a “cap friendly” deal,,he never would have opt out. I agree with you about McGee. I read where an NBA scout stated that McGee has a skill set better than 70% of the bigs in the NBA…can’t fault EG for taking that kind of gamble.
That's not necessarily true....
Doesn’t look like Baron Davis is going to opt-out….so are you calling him a team player?
I don’t blame Gil for wanting a longer contract…..and him opting out does not affect his ability (or potential) to be a team player in my opinion.
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Davis is not opting out because he knows
no one, not even his current team will pay him more than he already is making. Let’s not fool ourselves, Gil is opting out for more money..period. I am sure if it was about the lenght of the contract, Wizards would have been more than happy to extend him under the current terms, but he wants more money. IF he signs for the same or less, I will shut the h3ll up, but I don’t see that happening. You brought up the team player thing. I am not questioning Gil as a team player for the Wizards, I am saying his new contract will have more to do him with making busniess decision than helping the Wizards handle their cap situation.
They can't extend it under the current terms
What do you even mean by that? This is the way they can extend it. If he doesn’t opt-out, he plays out the last year of his contract and becomes a free agent again, and we have this exact same discussion.
You said earlier that if Gilbert was going to be a “team player,” he wouldn’t opt out. If you’re really backtracking from that statement, then we’re in agreement. Of course he’s opting out for more money. So what?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I am saying (for the last time)
he is opting out to get more money…it has nothing to do with being a team player. I don’t think he is going to give the Wizards some kind of home team discount. I don’t blame him for opting out, he did what any decent business man would do. I think he is looking for and will receive a max contract. I don’t feel he is a max contract player but if he can get it…GOD bless him. I think I just covered everything.
Ah, ok, I gotcha
I also agree that he won’t give the Wizards a hometown discount.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Davis also makes a good 5 million more than Gilbert does
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I think that is a good reason for him
not to opt out? Don’t you. There is not market for him so he is not going to opt out…even though I think he is overpaid.
Well, yeah
But Gilbert isn’t Baron Davis. Gilbert has the potential to make more money, Davis doesn’t.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
You might be right but
Why not opt out? Maybe he feels like hes willing to take a discount (6 yr 90-100million) for life long security. I think if he didn’‘t opt out it might mean that he is gunning for a max deal. He has to know its not a foregone conclusion Ernie will make him a max player. With no real competition (see $$$) around the league that would be a foolish move. I think Ernie’s better then that.
I can’t help but hold out faith that Gil will do the right thing. If he does sign a reasonable contract that allows the Wiz to add enough pieces to compete, and his game matures at the same time(while regaining the burst he had prior to surgery), he will own D.C. and be more of a cult hero then he already is. To me, that has to mean something to Gil. He just wants to be loved….
But really though, the off season is a time for hope, and there will be plenty of time to be upset if/when Gil signs a max deal. In the mean time I’ll hope for the best.
Huh?
If Gilbert doesn’t opt-out, then we just have to revisit this question next year.
I don’t blame the guy at all. If Gilbert isn’t a team player, then anyone who opts out isn’t either, and guys like Ron Artest, who chose not to opt-out, are team players. Somehow, that seems twisted.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Drafting McGee
The whole thing reminds me of that quote from Bodie of The Wire when he’s talking to Poot about how many times he’s gotten the clap. “Don’t matter how many times you get burnt, you just keep on doing the same.”
So when have Wizards gotten "burned"
IF McGee is a “bust” pick this would be number ? in the long line of who…under EG?
Well, PJR is one....but I'm not sure if there is another
Unless you want to count some of his Knicks picks such as John Wallace.
But I blame Wallace being bad more on him than on Gruns.
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Ehh...not really....
Maybe PJR just burned himself…
From his wikipedia entry:
Ramos participated in the 2004 season of the BSN, finishing with averages of 20.4 points and 9.4 rebounds per game.[1] In April Ramos announced he would enter the 2004 NBA Draft, hinting that he would withdraw if not a top 15 selection. On draft night, he was picked as the 32nd selection in the draft’s second round, by the Washington Wizards. Frustated with himself, Ramos abandoned the ceremony once the first round concluded.
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A better question to ask
Is when have the Wizards “hit” under Ernie.
There’s Blatche, I suppose, and Nick Young or Dominic McGuire. Otherwise, though, we haven’t found one guy in the draft who isn’t currently in our seven-man rotation.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
But Wizards are a vet. playoff team
EG has a great deal to do with that and our youngs have shown potential…I def think the 3 you named are ‘hits’
Of course
The teams in front of us do have young guys manning key positions, guys they drafted during the time Ernie G. has been the GM.
Boston has Rondo, Detroit has Stuckey and Maxiell, Orlando has Jameer Nelson (as overrated as he may be), Cleveland has Daniel Gibson, etc.
Talking about how Ernie has a lot to do with our status as a playoff team is non-sequential. I agree with you there. As a whole, dude deserves a lot of credit.
I’m just talking about his draft record, and it’s hard to argue it’s below-average.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Good Second Round Talent Evaluator?
I might agree with you on a whole that Ernie is not that good at the draft, but it seems to me that he is very good at finding good talent deep in the draft, which is extremely difficult to do. Most second rounders never even play in the NBA. Michael Redd was an All-Star. Andray Blatche is already a pretty good role player who continues to improve. Dominic McGuire contributed a lot for a second round rookie. It’s hard to argue with that kind of success. As for first round picks, now that’s a different story.
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I'm disappointed -
Ernie must see something we don’t see. Part of my frustration is I see teams like Miami and Portland being so proactive in the draft and we seem to do nothing. I hope we do not sign Gil to a max contract. But I also have patience to see what we can do this upcoming season – if everyone stays healthy which is a big if.
Too Harsh
“I think every Wizards fan has to be extremely disappointed with Ernie Grunfeld.” Whoa. That’s taking it a bit far. The Unseld mgmt years, the Webber trade, the Leonard Hamilton years, sure, but Ernie has been great for the team. MJ or Wes never made moves as beneficial for the team as EG. That is, unless, you are a big Kwame Brown, or Mitch Richmond fan. On the surface, the criticism of McGee seems fair, but how many of the people ripping him have actually seen him play? (Other than You Tube). Finally, to say that JV’s potential is to be a Marcus Camby type is again setting yourself up for disappointment. Camby is a league defensive player of the year, four time block leader, and a #2 overall pick. That potential doesn’t exist at the 18 pick.
I'm not suggesting Ernie's entire tenure has been disappointing
Far from it. This draft, however, was, because we drafted yet another project player instead of trying something different. I’m cool with having Pech and Blatche as our designated projects, but two of them are enough. I’d rather Ernie miss by drafting a more proven college player than keep swinging for the fences, expecting Eddie Jordan to develop three raw big men.
Whether McGee works out or not is irrelevant to that. I have no idea what’s going to happen with him. At the very least, he seems to have a good work ethic, which is nice. But as we’ve mentioned several times on here, he didn’t produce well relative to the other centers in this draft, and that’s against poor competition in the WAC. About the only way in which he fared well relative to his peers was with his shot-blocking. Maybe the rest of his game will come, but that’s exactly the same things we’ve been saying about Blatche and Pecherov.
I think some here are missing the point. The point isn’t to tear down JaVale McGee before he ever plays a game. I’m not going to be a fortune teller and say he will absolutely never work out. If he does, I’ll be happy about it. The point is that this team really needed someone who could step in right away and at least be a solid bench contributor. If that player tops out at that, it doesn’t matter. We have an outstanding starting lineup that has great chemistry, but we need cheap bench players to provide a jolt. Guys like Darrell Arthur, Mario Chalmers, and even J.J. Hickson or Kosta Koufos (same age, but produced much more in better conferences) were there for the taking, and instead, Ernie decided to gamble on upside yet again. That’s why I’m disappointed by this pick and by Ernie’s draft strategy.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I hear ya
I think Chalmers would have hit the spot.
On another note, has anyone read Wilbon’s article today? It is awful. There are so many mistakes and contradictions its laughable. He must have done little to no research to churn out that piece of garbage.
“Meanwhile, the Trail Blazers just keep on stockpiling. They added Ike Diogu and his offensive skills, first-round pick Jerryd Bayless and second-round pick Darrell Arthur from NCAA champion Kansas.”
Last I checked Arthur went #27….
“You know who I like instantly in the draft, besides Derrick Rose and Michael Beasley? Joe Alexander, the kid from West Virginia who is a freakish athlete but will never be called that because he’s white”
Seriously Mike, all I’ve heard about Alexander is his freakish athleticism. Why bring race into it?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/27/AR2008062700071.html
Well, Wilbon is conditioned to bring up race
It’s his bread and butter.
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Typical Wilbon post-ABC column
It goes nowhere and seems completely rushed.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
Not to mention
Arthur has been traded 3 times already since he was drafted.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Jun 27, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions
maybe ernie's luck will turn
(IMO) he missed on: santiago, gadzuric, pecherov, ramos… so the odds say maybe this big will pan out?
either way, obviously the disappointing thing is that we can’t, after this draft, feel like we’ve done anything to improve the team next year.
so we’ll have to hope EG kicks ass during free agency.
i think we all agree the wiz need to do something to improve next year. i don’t have a lot of faith in a ton of improvement from within, although i do think a year of good health would go a long way…
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jun 27, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well Said
either way, obviously the disappointing thing is that we can’t, after this draft, feel like we’ve done anything to improve the team next year.
That’s what’s so disappointing about this draft. Perhaps it will help us in 2010, but now we’re left idling in neutral.
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mcgee
well put prada, i just dont understand this pick. There were a lot of guys who could help us today, tomorrow, and the day after tomorrow but instead we went with a guy who might help us the day after tomorrow. Disappointing, i thought the whole thing could have been done better. We’ll see what else ernie does this off-season. This potentially sets the table for blatche to be moved.
The more I look at it
The more I like McGee.
I’ve been wearing out my welcome over on the SportsBog, also the Wiz site -today I’m a promiscuous blogger- but while my flinch reaction was to torch Ernie in effigy, rip out my hair and beat my chest wailing, the follow up to that was somewhat more moderate.
So I take the Wiz at their word when they say they like the kid’s upside and peek into what it is they like about him. Not to reprise the whole spiel (see the Bog, etc) but Peeking into the DX database of the last 10-20 years of picks—really the kid is remarkably athletic for a kid that long. In short:
—Nobody his size or taller has ever run the floor faster. 3.25 sprint in the 3/4 court is faster than most SF’s, almost as fast as your average 2-guard.
—Nobody in the game has a longer reach than him. Except maybe Yao Ming, Dikembe or Marcus Camby, but we don’t have measurements for them. And guess what, they’re pretty good defenders.
—His hops are better than average. A full +2” higher than most centers.
In fact when you combine his max vert with standing reach only Dwight Howard and the first year Shaq could reach taller. He can swat a paw out 12 feet 4 inches, challenge shots almost two and a half feet above the rim.
So: Nobody longer. No Big as fast. And in company with Dwight Howard and the athletic Shaq (and Greg Oden). If upside is what you’re picking for, okay, you’ve picked the best upside we’ve seen in a while.
Does it translate to actual ball skills? Well I’ll tell you, for a guy who couldn’t get on court last year, his highlight reels show a kid with a pretty solid feel for the offensive end of the court. Highlights don’t show consistency (or lack thereof) nor any boneheaded moves he makes to offset those successes. But they do show that potential. He passes the eyeball test no question.
And stats? His statistical record shows a sophomore about equal to this year’s version of Hibbert (okay in a weaker conference. And a poor passer compared to Roy). But his blocks + steals per personal fouls ratio is the best in the draft. And as for his personal stats, they’ve all improved. Plus he hit at a 33% clip from three, trying about one per game.
So he’s not worthless. A hopeless case.
In fact the biggest knocks against him are fixable problems that he’s already begun to work on: his conditioning is loads better, he added 10 pounds of muscle after the season, needs to improve defensive positioning, stance and technique. But he seems like a pretty serious kid, and both his parents were pro ballers, he’s got resources to turn to. He’s not a genetic fluke, he’s still growing into his full size, but it’s natural, same as Yao (kid of pro ballers) he already integrates that size far better than most 7 footers.
So really the complaint is that he doesn’t help the Wiz win a championship this year. Fair enough. I’ve got a powerful imagination, I’m sure I could craft a scenario that granted the Wiz a trophy this year, provided I had the right willing partners in trade, etc. I don’t see it right now, but I bet there’s one there. On the other hand I don’t see any single player I could have picked at 18 that would take us over the top. A few that would have helped more in the short term, but again, on reflection none who over the long term have even a chance of the upside this kid presents as a tantalizing possibility.
Understood, for folks who drafted Kwame, ‘potential’ is a filthy, filthy word. Slap yo mouth. But understand, the best player in the league was drafted for his potential as a high school kid our of lower Merion. And the lynchpin player of this year’s world champions was drafted for his potential as a baby drafted out of prepschool in Chicago.
The rest is just work. Bigs do take a while to develop. No doubt. Would be nice to have a dedicated Big Man coach on our player development squad whocould bird-dog him and get him up to speed fast as anything. But the fact is he’s got a good start. And except for the poor asst/to ratio, his skill sets are a pretty good fit for our team. Especially when you consider the idea of playing him and his face-up game/shotblocking/alley-oop threat on the court NEXT TO Haywood, not replacing him.
I suspect Wiz fans will be pleasantly shocked as he develops.
by doclinkin on Jun 27, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I like your post
And your optimism. See, secretly we are all just as optimistic – but it’s much more fun to rant and rail for a few days.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Jun 28, 2008 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions

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