BF Draft Board: Pick #18
by Mike Prada on Jun 25, 2008 10:47 AM EDT
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Superintendent Chalmers wins the 17th spot, leaving us with this.
- Derrick Rose
- Michael Beasley
- O.J. Mayo
- Jerryd Bayless
- Kevin Love
- Brook Lopez
- Eric Gordon
- Russell Westbrook
- Joe Alexander
- D.J. Augustin
- Danillo Gallinari
- Anthony Randolph
- Brandon Rush
- Marreese Speights
- Darrell Arthur
- Roy Hibbert
- Mario Chalmers
Here's the vote for 18. This is the last one we're going to do. Tomorrow, I'm going to post a thread where you all rank the remaining prospects, in case we trade down.
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Chris Douglas-Roberts????
Come on guys, he is a late 20’s choice at best and surely does not fit Wizards need for PF/C insider type or defensive minded guard!!!
by LoneWiz54 on Jun 25, 2008 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would disagree.
1) The Wizards do not have a consensual “need” position.
2) CDR can play defense.
3) He’s a gamer.
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by Truth About It on Jun 25, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my two cents (repeating what i've said before)
i saw a scouting writeup that compares CDR to a less athletic rip hamilton. and from observation, he dribbles a lot to get his shots off. i agree that he’d be in the 20s in my rankings. we’ve already got nick young to dribble around and shoot.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jun 25, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Darius Songalia is your back up center, you have a need at that position.
by Jheiser3 on Jun 25, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But is it one that Robin Lopez or Kosta Koufus can fill?
The whole point is that the guy you get needs to be better at the position than Songaila. I think Speights or Hibbert would be. I don’t think Robin Lopez or Kosta Koufus will, which is why I didn’t vote for them.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jun 25, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think thats exactly what Robin Lopez is in the NBA, a legit 7 footer with the 3rd best Blocks Per 40-Minutes Pace Adjusted rating of all the Centers in this draft. He has good hands, athleticism, decent passing skills. He’d be a nice complimentary player as a back-up center.
Whats interesting about his rebounding numbers is that it appears that he took the offensive end and Brook took the defensive end. It makes sense because Robin often took the other team’s best post player, kept him off the boards allowing Brook to clean up. Meanwhile on the other end the defense was focused on Brook, allowing Robin to do a lot of damage on the offensive boards.
by Jheiser3 on Jun 25, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
That argument makes some sense. Rebounding is a zero-sum thing, so it’s possible Brook just took a lot of rebounds away from his brother (I didn’t watch Stanford much, so I don’t know). I will say that I feel better about Robin after reading Draft Express’ Just By the Numbers for centers. I didn’t realize Robin blocked so many shots.
It’s probably enough to make Robin my #19. I still like Hibbert over him, though.
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by Mike Prada on Jun 25, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
makes a lot of sense to me too
you might be on to something.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jun 25, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lopez is skyrocketing
According to NBATV and NBA draft express. He is more athletic than first thought and has excellent SIZE, something Songaila is lacking as a backup center. This Lopez will block shots, and take up space and would be a serviceable rebounder. I would take him over reaching for Roberts any day.
by LoneWiz54 on Jun 25, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG!!
Buy, Buy, Buy!!!
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by Truth About It on Jun 25, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love It!!!!
Basically we suck when it comes to inside toughness. If J.J. Hickson with Roberts, no way I am taking Roberts. How many 6-6 tweeners do this team need?
by LoneWiz54 on Jun 25, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Backup
Etan Thomas and Andray Blatche are our backup centers.
And no, I’m not exactly confident in that either.
But as Prada keeps pointing out, the options for a big at 18 may be limited….that’s why I like the best available path.
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by Truth About It on Jun 25, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went with CDR
Mostly because nobody else left really does it for me. None of the bigs left are strong defenders, except maybe for Lopez, but Lopez isn’t a good rebounder and has no offensive skills.
I guess my second choice would be Hickson, but if we’re really going BPA, CDR is definitely that guy.
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by Mike Prada on Jun 25, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who voted other?
Whoever it was, say who.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jun 25, 2008 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
With no one left worth the pick, I picked Jordan. Hickson was tempting but ultimately I felt like Jordan could be better, at least defensively. Short term, he and Pech can room together next year in the D League.
The upset pick would be Omer Asik. He’s considering signing a big deal in Turkey. I think only a first round contract gets him over here.
by Jheiser3 on Jun 25, 2008 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jordan's stock has been rising...
Whatever that means.
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by Truth About It on Jun 25, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Brilliant,
You can never have too many Shooting Guards….
Let’s just play all Shooting Guards….
Why should the Wizards look for a backup Center?
Even with Etan Thomas coming off heart surgury…
Even though Etan Thomas’ contract expires during the 2009/2010 season – meaning that EG will be able to finally trade Etan for something valuable…NEXT YEAR !!
Even though there are a number of very good Center prospects in THIS draft – and practically NONE in next year’s draft.
Makes perfect sense to me to draft ANOTHER guard.
Come on guys…. You really want to see Eddie playing Songaila and Jamison at Center in 2009/2010 (after EG trades Etan) ?
by Rook6980 on Jun 25, 2008 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So, you'd rather not draft the best available?
I take it.
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by Truth About It on Jun 25, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on
This isn’t about shooting guards vs. centers. This is about CDR vs. Robin Lopez, J.J. Hickson, Kosta Koufus, DeAndre Jordan, JaVale McGee and that French stiff. Speights, Hibbert and Arthur, all bigs that could easily fall to us, are ahead of CDR on this board. I can’t speak for everyone else, but personally, I don’t think any of the bigs left will turn into that backup center we need. You may disagree, and that’s fine, but don’t misframe the argument into a positional thing.
I do think this is the tipping point of the draft. If one of the previous 17 people are still available, Ernie should take them. If not, he should trade down and go for Hickson or Hendrix. I agree that CDR doesn’t really fit here and isn’t the best choice.
But I am very sure he will be a good NBA player. At the very least, he’s a starting-quality guy, based on his college record and his strengths. That probably won’t happen here, but he is, to me, clearly the best guy left on the board, and since I’ve come around on BPA, then Douglas-Roberts make sense.
But ONLY if the people in front of him are off the board. That’s a very important distinction, because other than CDR, are there any SGs ahead of him within our range? Rush probably comes closest, but I think we all expect him to be a SF mostly.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jun 25, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could live with Rush. A SF makes sense. Someone to backup Caron.
I could live with Chalmers. The Wiz need a PG.
But a SG? With Stevenson, Young, and Gilbert Arenas already on the roster?
Please don’t get me wrong… I like the fact that CDR’s a good perimeter defender. That he’s big. Can handle the ball. Is a great athlete, etc….
Best available? NO – ESPN’s top 100 list shows him listed at #27…. but even if he’s the Best Player Available (or close to it), the rest of the players on the list are VERY VERY CLOSE, and a case could be made they’re higher on the BPA list than CDR.
Just looking at the ESPN top 100 list:
Robin Lopez rated as Lottery to mid first round
DeAndre Jordan rated as a Lottery pick
JaVale McGee rated as Lottery to mid first round
Chris Douglas-Roberts is rated as mid-late first round
AND it should be a positional “thing” – once you get to the #18 pick in the draft, unless someone from higher up falls to you, you take the best player that fits your team. CDR does not fit this team.
by Rook6980 on Jun 25, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would honestly rather have those guys?
I don’t know how Robin Lopez got ranked so high (maybe his twin towers brother from the same school?) And Deandre Jordan and Javale Mcgee are two of the most raw, hit or miss prospects in this draft, the kind of picks GMs seem to be backing off from taking this year.
CDR is an established player who can play on both ends of the floor, with NBA size and NBA skills, and he is a winner. What more can you ask from a #18 pick?
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by Evander holyfield on Jun 25, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BPA is a matter of opinion
I think CDR is unquestionably the BPA. He was the top scorer on a really good team, scored extremely efficiently, and played pretty solid defense all year. He got to the free throw line a ton, which means he’d fit in well here in a way (though I understand the argument that he doesn’t).
You don’t. That’s fine, but reasonable people can disagree. Whereas he’s ranked low on Chad Ford’s ESPN board, Hoops Analyst has him as their second-rated SG, ahead of Eric Gordon. He ranks pretty well in Hollinger’s system as well.
Point is, there is a legit different of opinion among even the smartest people. I understand why you wouldn’t vote CDR, and I’m actually surprised he has such a lead here, but I don’t think he’s a complete misfit here.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jun 25, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just looked at for the 3rd time the NBATV draft show
and the second sentence out of his mouth was CDR was not athletic. This was after he stated CDR could not shoot. I am just saying…
by LoneWiz54 on Jun 25, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And CDR at 6'7" cannot be a SF?
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by Truth About It on Jun 25, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think the knock on him at SF
is that he’s too skinny and isn’t that athletic.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jun 25, 2008 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Changing my vote
in hopes that we now get Superintendent Chalmers. What a nickname.
Dear Diary, JACKPOT!!!!!!!!!!
by Evander holyfield on Jun 25, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jake gets the credit
I’m positive he came up with it first
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by Mike Prada on Jun 25, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't take the credit, 'twas Brahsome
If we end up with Chalmers or Hibbert, I’ll be thrilled. Simpsons references will go through the roof, and it will be a good day.
Oh, and I heard they’re pretty good at basketball or something.
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by JakeTheSnake on Jun 25, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Douglas-Roberts
JEA BOI
Dear Diary, JACKPOT!!!!!!!!!!
by Evander holyfield on Jun 25, 2008 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Buying Draft Picks
Why is it always Kevin Pritchard who gets to buy conference rivals’ draft picks?
If Ernie Grunfeld were to call the Hornets and offer some bucks for that same pick, wouldn’t they rather sell it to a less-threatening squad? I don’t understand. Do these teams want to see the Blazers keep stockpiling young talent or what
Dear Diary, JACKPOT!!!!!!!!!!
by Evander holyfield on Jun 25, 2008 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because
We don’t have Paul Allen as our owner.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jun 25, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just how much
do you expect these picks are being bought for?
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by Evander holyfield on Jun 25, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can get a pick
For up to 3 million dollars. Any higher, and the CBA doesn’t allow it.
I have no idea what the price on NO’s 27th was, though.
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by Mike Prada on Jun 25, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I respect and appreciate the Pollins, but
when Ted Leonsis takes over… I can’t even imagine what he’d do with those duckets
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by Evander holyfield on Jun 25, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raise the prices on tickets, hot dogs, and parking !!
by Rook6980 on Jun 25, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ehh....
Leonsis is more of a man of the people….not like those Lerners.
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by Truth About It on Jun 25, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Microsoft money
Thats how. It looks like the Hornets had targeted Chalmers. Once it appeared he wouldn’t get to them, they sold the pick. They turned a 900K salary into straight cash. I’m sure that team can use it too.
If I’m David Stern I don’t like it one bit. Its the NBA taking one more step toward MLB instead of the NFL model. Teams find it more profitable to sell draft picks than take a player making less than a million dollars.
by Jheiser3 on Jun 25, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
portland
i would guess they acquired the 27th pick so they could package it as part of some other trade.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jun 25, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
more stockpiling?
at some point they’re going to have to do something with all those picks they’ve accumulated.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jun 25, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Right
That’s why I don’t get why they bought that pick. The only way it makes sense is if they’re going to try to trade into the lottery to grab Westbrook or Alexander.
I also don’t get why NO sold it. Wasn’t their problem a lack of a bench? At 27, if you’re smart, you can pick up a cheap bench player.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jun 25, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, but...
Even though attendance improved, N.O. still has some financial issues to overcome….straight cash homey doesn’t hurt.
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by Truth About It on Jun 25, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true
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by Mike Prada on Jun 25, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Threadjack
Listening to Ivan Carter on Washington Post Live, and he’s all over the Mario Chalmers bandwagon, even suggesting the Wizards should trade up to get him.
He also said that Roy Hibbert has a guarantee in the Top 15. Maybe Sacramento at 12? That’s the only one that makes sense to me.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Jun 25, 2008 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How did Chalmers stock rise so much?
Can we really see him going before 18?
Depending on how things shake…the Wizards pick could end up very valuable.
It seems that picks 9-21 have an equal opportunity to produce talent.
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by Truth About It on Jun 25, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
it seems like a good year to have the 18th pick. i think we have a reasonable chance to land someone who outperforms many of the lottery picks in this year’s draft.
i’ll also say that i think hibbert has a good chance to prove me wrong, but i’ll still be happy if he doesn’t end up with the wiz, because i worry about the boring to watch factor.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jun 25, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Boring...
Boring to watch a guy efficiently put the ball in the basket; without all the chest thumping, gyrating, chicken-dancing that is so entertaining in today’s NBA….
by Rook6980 on Jun 25, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hibbert gyrating?
In a word, bwuhhhhh.
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by JakeTheSnake on Jun 25, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
it’s not his personality i’m worried about.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jun 26, 2008 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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