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Portland Trade Ideas

The Trailblazers are looking to get additional first round picks while dangling Jarrett Jack and their high 2's. Although Jack is more of a combo guard, that wouldn't necessarily work against him in this offense.

The small deal would be Jack, #33 and cash for #18.

The bigger deal:

Daniels (6.2) Etan (6.8) #18 and #47 for

Jarret Jack (2M) Raef LaFrentz (12.7) #33 and #36 (and cash, always ask the Blazers for cash).

Why The Wiz:

Jack brings more scoring to the backup PG spot, something we could have used versus Cleveland. He's also capable of defending either guard spot. If he was forced to start he could hold his own. he could also play next to Arenas, a combo of combo guards.

Lafrentz is in the last year of his deal, finally. So thats a 12.7M expiring contract to either let expire or move at the trade deadline. This also gets us out from under the last year of AD and Etan's contracts, the 09/10 savings being 12.1M in salary (14.9 minus Jack's 2.8 in 2009). The team also gets 2 players that would not have been available at #47. (Weaver, Omer Asik, Dorsey, Pekovic, George Hill)

Arenas - Jack - (2nd rounder)
Stevenson - Young
Caron - McGuire
Jamison - Blatche - Pecherov
Haywood - Songalia - (2nd rounder)

 

Why the Blazers:

They get another first round pick as a chip to bundle with #13 so they can move up and get a difference maker. They also get a playoff veteran guard in AD, who played for Nate McMillan in Seattle. It provides Roy with a professional mentor too.  They swap LaFrentz's (DNP-CD) and contract for a warmer bigger body in Etan who still comes off the books before they have to extend Roy. Thrown in is the #47 pick so Pritchard can still grab another euro to stash for the future.

The Wizards would take on roughly 900K to 1M on the 08/09 cap if they pulled the trigger on the bigger deal once draft pick salaries are factored in.

Why is doesn't work:

The Blazers might expect more in return for LaFrentz's contract if they plan on moving it for a substantial chip themselves. If they are just planning on letting him walk, this might entice them. I believe they want to get some veteran pieces into the mix for a playoff run but these 2 may not be enough. I'm hoping that McMillan's history with AD, they won a lot of games in Seattle, helps our cause. Replacing Jack with AD doesn't alleviate their logjam at PG (Blake, Rodriguez and the time Roy spends there). 

*The Wizards would take on roughly 900K to 1M on the 08/09 cap if they pulled the trigger on the bigger deal once draft pick salaries are factored in. The smaller deal is much more likely IMO but its worth exploring the larger deal. If Ernie can get Pritchard to believe it was his idea you're half way there.

Thoughts?

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Seems good for both sides

Especially if the Blazers want to win next year.

I’ve always thought Jack was underrated backup PG. He’s fast, young, and would be moved from starting to backup PG. Less responsibility would be a great thing for him behind Gil.

Good point about the Blazers being able to package the 13 and 18 picks to move into the top 10. That would give them some options.

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by Evander holyfield on Jun 19, 2008 1:30 PM EDT   0 recs

They’d still have picks 13, 18, 47 and 55 to play with. That’d be tempting for Milwaukee at #8.

I watched Jack play some last season. He was coming of the bench while Blake and Roy started in the backcourt. He came in and was aggressive off the dribble immediately. He knew his role was to come in and make buckets. He was so aggressive that he was able to get himself open jump shots from mid range. He’d take a hard dribble or two and the defense would collapse in anticipation of a drive. I’ve read that he plays excellent D although i didn’t watch that in particular.

by Jheiser3 on Jun 19, 2008 3:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Interesting

I definitely dig it from the Wizards’ side, but I don’t know if the Blazers would go for it. Sure, Etan and AD come off the books at the right time, but I don’t know if the Blazers are gonna want to get so little for LaFrentz’s (ridiculous) contract.

They may want to do something similar to what Boston did: Big Contract + Good Young Players = Great Veteran Player to Put You Over the Top. Portland does have a nice stash of young talent.

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by mamemimo on Jun 19, 2008 4:48 PM EDT   0 recs

What about Rudy Fernandez?

You forgot to mention him in your guard log jam….maneuvering space for him is definitely going to factor into Portland’s plans…..basically why they want to rid themselves of Jack, but probably not to get Daniels.

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by Truth About It on Jun 19, 2008 5:15 PM EDT   0 recs

Definitely

They definitely want to get Rudy on the floor with Roy. Although I bet they play 3 guards at times this year with shot blockers like Pryzbilla, Aldridge and Oden (by mid season). Even then, they’d have to want AD for his leadership because he wouldn’t get many minutes.

What about the smaller deal? They’d be taking on salary before resigning the big boys.

by Jheiser3 on Jun 19, 2008 6:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wouldn't the Wizards

need so send a player back? Otherwise, how do the salaries match up?

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by Pradamaster on Jun 19, 2008 6:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Good question

And I’m not positive on the answer. I believe that its tied into why the NBA makes a team draft a player then the trade takes place. This way the rookie has a salary figure to use in trades. NY made 1.5 this season as the 16th pick. I imagine thats the ballpark for 17 or 18 this year. That alone isn’t enough to match figures though. If they have to match even with picks, how do teams over the cap just buy them with cashe?

by Jheiser3 on Jun 19, 2008 7:03 PM EDT   0 recs

From a Blazer's fan

I would say that if this happened Ernie Pritchslapped that Pritchslapper on this one. Good thing it would never happen.

First let me say, I’m not a big Jarret Jack fan. But this is what I basically see this trade doing for us.

We forgo our massive cap room in 2009 and a give up a proven rotation player for basically the 18th pick, a point guard who isn’t much better than Steve Blake, and a guy who hasn’t played all year because he had heart surgery. Although it’s nice to see someone so intellectual. I enjoyed his article on The Huffington Post.

Now let me break it down in a more balanced perspective

A. Blazers don’t need to win now and are too young and inexperienced to do so.

Acquiring veteran leadership right now isn’t going to be a need when your core pieces aren’t ready to make a playoff run. I am going to give you the low down on just how young the roster is, Brandon Roy is 23, LaMarcus is 22, Greg Oden is 20, Travis Outlaw is 24, Rudy Fernandez is 23, Martell Webster is 21, Channing Frye is 25, and James Jones, Joel Pryzbilla, and Steve Blake are the oldest rotation players at just 27! Secondly, really what could Brandon Roy learn from Antonio Daniels? I mean Brandon Roy was a Western Conference All star in his second season. He was also the second best player that game (granted kobe didn’t play much), Byron Scott put him in the 4th quarter over Tmac and AI when they tried to win the game. Secondly, I don’t buy into the argument that Antonio would provide leadership when he wouldn’t play. I mean Raef can provide the same role really.

B. We can get more for Raef’s contract
Keep in mind the Blazer’s moved TREC (Theo Ratliff’s expiring contract) and Telfair for the #7 pick + RLEC. The 7th pick was used to draft Randy Foye who was traded to Minnesota for Brandon Roy. Downgrading our 2nd round draft picks and Jack to grab the 18th pick and some filler doesn’t make too much sense to me.

Even if we don’t trade RLEC (Raef LaFrenz’s Expiring Contract) and let it expire we are looking at over 30+ million in cap space. Yeah 30 million. Of course some of this is going to be be eaten away resigning Martell Webster, Channing Frye, and Jarret Jack, but I don’t think all 3 of them will be there. But there is not doubt at that point in time we can offer a player a max contract if needed. Basically if there is any free agent(s) we are looking to add to augment our core we can do it then. I doubt that the Blazers are going to land someone major at that point in time; however, whoever they will add will certainly be better than Antonio Daniels and Etan Thomas.

C. Having contracts expire when LaMarcus and Brandon Roy’s Rookie contracts expire is a mute point.

Unlike Abe Pollin and his luxury tax shenanigans (and this will keep the Wizards as a middling team for the rest of his life I’m sure), Paul Allen is willing to pay whatever it takes to get a ring. He’s just like Cuban in this regard, they are billionaires whose sports teams are not merely an investment but a toy of sorts. If we need to offer Brandon the max for a 3rd year player to match an offer from another team he will sign off on it without any hesitation. As long as LMA and Brandon want to play in Portland they will stay in Portland.

So in that sense the summer of 2009 is the last time the Blazers will really be a player in the Free agency market. In 2010 they need to up Brandon and LaMarcus and in 2011 they need to resign Oden. From that perspective it really doesn’t make any sense to minimize their spending ability in 2009.

D. Why would the 18th pick be more valuable than Jarret Jack?

If I was Kevin Pritchard and I wanted to move up in the draft, before trading Jarret Jack for a draft pick, wouldn’t I try to trade him +13 to move up? Really I think in the eyes of most gm’s getting an established young player on his rookie contract is a whole lot better than the 18th pick. I think that a team like Phoenix might even trade the 15h pick (in my mock Brandon Rush) straight up to land a young, cheap backup/border line start back up point guard (Steve Nash’s old legs will thank Steve Kerr). I doubt that the Blazers would give up Jack AND 2nd round draft picks (especially ones so close to the 1st round) for the 18th+47, not even taking into consideration RLEC.

Oh and I’m a NOVA resident btw so I’ve watched about 100+ Wizards games over the past couple of years. So I’ve watched AD and JJ play.

I think Jarret Jack is a younger possibly better version of AD. Right now he doesn’t have the decision making, but they are similar in that they both have weak jumpshots and make head down bulldozer drives into the paint.

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by Dheepan on Jun 20, 2008 1:16 AM EDT   0 recs

Great points....

I had serious doubts about the trade, but it’s nice to get much more of a perspective from a Blazers fan.

I guess this trade idea is now officially moot.

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by Truth About It on Jun 20, 2008 9:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks For Setting This Straight

I never would have gone for this anyway. I do not want to go into another season with Songaila as the backup center.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Jun 21, 2008 10:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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