Finals day discussion
As a general note, posting is going to be a bit light today and tomorrow because I have Finals, and I imagine Jake does as well (though I might be wrong about that). Each day, I'll try to come up with a question for discussion to mitigate the lack of heavy posting.
Today's question is as follows.
Considering our salary-cap situation, our best chance to get someone in free agency would be to use our mid-level exception, which amount to somewhere between 5-6 million dollars annually. I haven't crunched our salary number to know exactly how much of that we have to spend this year, so let's assume we can use it all.
Now, assume every player on every other team in the league would suddenly become a free agent, allowing us theoretically to sign anyone we wanted with that money. Obviously, most of the best players in the league would never sign for that little, so we can throw those players out of the discussion. Of the players in the league who either make mid-level money or less, or who would conceivably be worth mid-level money next year (because they're getting older, or they're improving from being a fringe player), who would help the Wizards the most?
For the purpose of this exercise, I'm asking you guys to list one player only. If you think he will sign for less than the full mid-level exception, that's fine, but list just one player.
Have at it!
[UPDATE] A couple clarifications. First, players on rookie contracts count, but again, give a compelling reason why they're worth mid-level money or less. Second, unless you note otherwise, assume that our main core (Big 3, all others under contract) would still remain. Finally, I'll post all the answers tomorrow and decide which one I personally like best.
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I got done with finals last week
Boo ya!
Since I’m guessing that players that make mid-level money that would stand to make much more if they were available (Chris Paul, Brandon Roy, etc.) are out of the question as well, I’m going to go with Raja Bell.
He as good, if not a better defender than DeShawn and he’s a more consistent outside shooter. As much as I like Stevenson, if Bell was available I wouldn’t hesitate to get him, even though he’s a little older.
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by JakeTheSnake on
May 6, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
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Need Toughness
McDyess, Battier, or maybe Joe Smith
by RamVA on
May 6, 2008 8:07 PM EDT
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He is, indeed
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Pradamaster on
May 6, 2008 8:41 PM EDT
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Pick one
And Battier makes slightly more than the MLE, so I don’t think he’d qualify.
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by Pradamaster on
May 6, 2008 8:25 PM EDT
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I've only done one hypothetical so far...
...and it’s for Andre Miller and Udonis Haslim.
P.S.: ESPN’s Trade Machine is your friend.
by Pryme on
May 6, 2008 9:16 PM EDT
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I don't think either deal is feasible
Philly isn’t taking on Etan’s contract in a deal for Miller, and I am definitely not in favor of trading all three of our young guys for Udonis Haslem.
I do think Haslem would fit here, but he currently makes more than the MLE. You have another answer?
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by Pradamaster on
May 6, 2008 9:19 PM EDT
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I'll have to try another trade on the Machine
Because when you use that, you realize that many of the player most Wiz fans want are just not available.
I personally think that getting Miller, moving Arenas to the 2-guard and matching Daniels up with Mason would solidify our backcourt for a good four-to-five seasons. Out of the kiddies, McGuire just seems to be the best defensively and by maturity, but that’s just off of watching him and the others a few games this year.
Also, I don’t see us going deep in the playoffs with such a young bench…not that benches past were any better. It’s baffling that over the years Washington has either went old and unathletic or young and inexperienced.
But if we were going for wish fullfilment? Bring back Hughes and Blake, trade for Artest, and get a defensive-minded rebounding machine.
by Pryme on
May 6, 2008 9:33 PM EDT
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I was actually curious
If you had one player in mind to answer the discussion question.
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by Pradamaster on
May 6, 2008 9:40 PM EDT
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Blake would qualify
As would whatever “defensive-minded rebounding machine”
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by Pradamaster on
May 6, 2008 9:42 PM EDT
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When I first wrote that
I thought of three players: Ben Wallace, P.J. Brown and Kurt Thomas.
Sadly, one’s too old, and the other two probably wouldn’t want to leave this current teams..
by Pryme on
May 6, 2008 9:47 PM EDT
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The other two would apply
Remember, this is a hypothetical exercise. You can choose any player in the league, so long as they’d make MLE money or less
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by Pradamaster on
May 6, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
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how bout jason maxiell?
defensive minded rebounding machine, not a bad scorer either.
by five by five on
May 7, 2008 9:52 AM EDT
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oh my bad
My “one player” is either Miller or Artest then.
by Pryme on
May 6, 2008 9:44 PM EDT
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Hmm
Problem is, both make more than 5-6 million dollars a year right now, and will in the future. They’re too expensive.
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by Pradamaster on
May 6, 2008 9:47 PM EDT
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At least for this exercise, they're too expensive
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by Pradamaster on
May 6, 2008 9:47 PM EDT
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The first player that came to my mind was Artest
But he is definitely too expensive (though he wouldn’t command near as much as he used to) and he needs the ball a bit too much to be on this team. Basically we need an Artest-type player who can guard 3 or 4 positions (RA guards power forwards as well as PGs), plays high-IQ basketball, can rebound, and is a tenacious defender. We don’t need the offensive game . We also don’t need the headcase. I don’t think we could handle him with the team we have now. So I guess my question is: who is Artest-lite? Name that player and that’s who I would give 5 mil.
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by Icantfeelmyface on
May 6, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
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Finding that player is your task
But for the record, I agree that’s the type of player we need. We need a wing defender to come and play 20-25 minutes a game, but is big enough to check small forwards. We could play him along with Butler at the 2, which would limit DeShawn’s minutes a bit, but it would also allow us to potentially have a good defender ready to check any wing player.
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by Pradamaster on
May 6, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
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Captain Jack was another idea
but after the season he had I think he would command well more than 5-6 mil (he’s getting paid 6.6 right now).
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by Icantfeelmyface on
May 6, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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Disclaimer: I haven't watched a lot of Nuggets games this season
But wouldn’t Eduardo Najera fit that billing well? Solid defender (at least going by +/-), nice size (6-8, 200 lbs.), good for about 20 minutes a game and he made 5 million this season. I’m not sure if he’d work well in the Princeton (refer to disclaimer) but he would help out on the bigger wings.
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by JakeTheSnake on
May 6, 2008 11:09 PM EDT
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He's tenacious and smart
But apparently a poorer rebounder than I thought, and not really that athletic. Probably worth 5 mil though in a league where Jarod Jeffries and Brian Cardinal also make over 5 mil per year.
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by Icantfeelmyface on
May 7, 2008 10:56 AM EDT
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hmmm...how about Posey then?
not as big a body, but just as good a defender…
by Pryme on
May 6, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
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Posey works as a possibility
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by Pradamaster on
May 6, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
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he's an option
He did run through my head but he’s not worth 5 mil i don’t think.
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by Icantfeelmyface on
May 6, 2008 10:03 PM EDT
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To recap so far
Jake: Raja Bell
RamVA: Antonio McDyess
Pryme: Kurt Thomas? P.J. Brown?
Icantfeelmyface: Doesn’t know, but basically a cheap Artest
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by Pradamaster on
May 6, 2008 9:53 PM EDT
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I don't think any of those guys are reasonably attainable.
We will not be considered “close” for those championship chasers.
by Truth About It on
May 7, 2008 2:54 PM EDT
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Again
It’s a hypothetical.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Pradamaster on
May 7, 2008 3:12 PM EDT
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Ahhh....
I guess I got that confused with plausible.
by Truth About It on
May 7, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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How about...
Charlie Villanueva or Chris Duhon?
by Romans12 on
May 6, 2008 11:07 PM EDT
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You think Charlie V can be had for 5-6 million per year?
He’s probably on the borderline as far as price range.
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by Pradamaster on
May 6, 2008 11:17 PM EDT
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What about Jason Maxiell?
He’d add toughness, rebounding, and energy. Plus, he’s in year 3 of a late-round-1 rookie contract, so $6 million/year might do the trick.
by jvflail on
May 7, 2008 12:35 AM EDT
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I like this
In fact he was the first name that sprang to mind. He makes our team tougher defensively and offensively and adds to our already fairly impressive shotblocking ability. Brings discipline that I don’t really see on a single player in our current squad.
by five by five on
May 7, 2008 9:53 AM EDT
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Yeah, He's Real Good
It’s just a shame that he’s under contract, I’d throw the MLE at him now. Do you think we could possibly trade for him?
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by cuppettcj on
May 7, 2008 10:06 AM EDT
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C'mon guys...let's be real.
There is no way that Detroit is giving up Maxiell.
by Truth About It on
May 7, 2008 2:54 PM EDT
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Of course not
But this is a hypothetical.
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by Pradamaster on
May 7, 2008 3:01 PM EDT
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my nominee
a motivated quentin richardson
he can play the 2 or 3, and i feel like hes tough and strong enough to even play the 4 in small lineups.
Hed bring 3pt shooting and rebounding and i think he could play defense in the right environment. Hes a tough player with some skills whos been lost in a terrible environment the last couple years but he was a good player on for the suns that one year and on the clippers before that. Ive always been a fan of q so my opinion might be a little jaded but i think if he was taken out of ny he could start playing well again.
im not sure what his cap number is this season, but hes on the knicks so ill assume hes overpaid but realistically hes worth about the midlevel
ps. this doesnt work for this scenario, but ive also maintained in personal circles that hinrich would be great in the backcourt alongside arenas. He has point skills enough to push arenas off the ball while also having enough skills and basketball iq to play off the ball if arenas wants to take over. Hes also a big guard who can guard effectively guard 1s or 2s to give arenas the easier matchup. He was in skiles’ doghouse and it seemed like a real possibility he would be on the way out, but with d’antoni coming in they might give him another chance.
by Wooz on
May 7, 2008 3:48 AM EDT
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Nope.
Can’t afford Hinrich and Q-Rich?? Do we really need another injury prone player?
Dude has averaged about 66 games per season in his 8 year career.
by Truth About It on
May 7, 2008 2:56 PM EDT
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nah
not hinrich AND q-rich. My suggestion for this thread is richardson and on a slightly related note i think hinrich would play well with arenas.
by Wooz on
May 7, 2008 6:03 PM EDT
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I gotcha....Yea, I didn't think you meant both.
I agree with Hinrich…..he’s a decent defender, but more so against opposing PGs. Not sure I’d like either him or Gil defending the other team’s 2 guard.
by Truth About It on
May 7, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
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how about
Chris Wilcox. Athletic big who would probably fair better in the east. He isn’t GREAT, but would be a solid player to have clogging the middle, playing defense, and throwing down the occasional monstrous dunk. Who knows, maybe a change of scenery and proper veteran motivation would allow him to reach his full potential.
by AndraytheJohn on
May 7, 2008 8:04 AM EDT
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Too expensive
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by Pradamaster on
May 7, 2008 8:34 AM EDT
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Agreed.
Although I wouldn’t mind having Wilcox either.
by Truth About It on
May 7, 2008 2:57 PM EDT
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Andris Biedrins
He’s a restricted free agent this summer, he makes $2,636,695 now, he’s big (7’0” 240 lbs.), he’s very athletic, he runs the floor well, he’s a good shot blocker (1.2 bpg), and he’s a terrific rebounder (9.8 rpg in only 27.3 mpg). He’s also still very young (he just turned 22 last month).
Chances are he’ll command more than the MLE, and I don’t see Nellie letting him go without a fight, but if Ernie could somehow nab him he’d be a great acquistion for the Wizards.
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by cuppettcj on
May 7, 2008 8:35 AM EDT
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Too expensive
But yeah, I love Biedrins’ game
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by Pradamaster on
May 7, 2008 8:56 AM EDT
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How Much Do You Believe He'll Sign For?
Do you think he’ll get more than $8 million per year?
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by cuppettcj on
May 7, 2008 9:00 AM EDT
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Yeah, I do
Centers are at a premium, and Biedrins is still really, really young.
If Kwame Brown is worth 9 million a year, Biedrins can certainly get more than 8 million.
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by Pradamaster on
May 7, 2008 10:45 AM EDT
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He must have the ugliest FT shot in the history of the league.
by five by five on
May 7, 2008 9:55 AM EDT
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Agreed
But he still shot 62% from the line last season, about what Brendan shot before Dave Hopla got his hands on him.
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by cuppettcj on
May 7, 2008 9:58 AM EDT
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Oh for sure
They go in more frequently then you’d think. It’s just that form is frightening.
by five by five on
May 7, 2008 10:40 AM EDT
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Don't forget about Chuck Hayes!
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by JakeTheSnake on
May 7, 2008 1:59 PM EDT
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That was my suggestion!
No kidding.
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by Pradamaster on
May 7, 2008 1:59 PM EDT
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How have i not seen this?
He looks like the most uncoordinated dude in the world here.
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by Icantfeelmyface on
May 7, 2008 11:02 PM EDT
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Seriously
I mean, how did Chuck make it through high school, all the elite camps he had to be a part of, AAU, college and now the NBA and have no one go, “Hey Chuck, why don’t you let me help you with your shot there? Seriously, I know a guy.”
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by JakeTheSnake on
May 7, 2008 11:26 PM EDT
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Chris Richard
Someone who knows how to play with intensity. I know we need someone to guard positions 1-4, but I’m hoping Taser progresses quite nicely in the offseason.
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by Wizards on
May 7, 2008 8:43 AM EDT
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If Biedrins Doesn't Count
Then how about Francisco Elson? He’s an unrestricted free agent this summer, he makes exactly $3 million now, he’s also big (7’0” 235 lbs.), he also runs the floor well, and he’s had good playoff experience (was a member of San Antonio’s championship team from last season).
His numbers suffered a bit this season after his trade to Seattle, but he still averaged 9.3 points, 0.9 blocks, 0.7 steals, 1.1 assists, and 8.9 rebounds per 36 minutes. This despite only playing 12.9 minutes per game. His numbers with San Antonio last season were higher when he averaged 19.0 minutes per game.
My only concern was his knee injury he suffered a couple of months ago (strained right MCL). He did return to the lineup a week later, though, and was starting by the end of the season, so I don’t think it was that bad.
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by cuppettcj on
May 7, 2008 9:30 AM EDT
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Just to Clarify
I meant to say that his numbers per 36 minutes were higher when he averaged 19.0 minutes per game. The way I stated it above makes me look really stupid.
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by cuppettcj on
May 7, 2008 9:34 AM EDT
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Elson...
Has a lot of ups and downs.
But let’s just stick with ‘No’ since he is older than Antawn Jamison.
by Truth About It on
May 7, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
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So What?
Elson is older than Jamison by about 3 months, big deal. The Wizards would pay him about $5 million a year tops, not $16 million like Jamison makes. In my opinion, the Wizards could use an older veteran who’s tall, plays hard, and works it in the low-post. He could be an example for softies like Blatche.
You know who is also older than Jamison? Zydrunas Ilgauskas. I bet you wouldn’t mind having someone like him, would you? I’m definitely not saying Elson is the same as Ilgauskas, just making a point that age matters little when you can get a guy who rebounds and plays solid low-post defense.
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by cuppettcj on
May 7, 2008 3:15 PM EDT
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Elson is....
Long, athletic, and can run…..
But he seems a little frail to be that rugged rebounder that we need.
Yes, we need someone to set an example for Andray, I just don’t think Elson has the tools to be that person.
His career averages are 3.8 boards in 16.6 minutes…..hell, D-Mac can give us 3.8 in 10 minutes!
by Truth About It on
May 7, 2008 3:24 PM EDT
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Yeah
I get what you’re saying cuppettcj, and I agree that we need someone like Elson, but not Elson specifically.
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by Pradamaster on
May 7, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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Great
Now if only we can get D-Mac to grow another 2-3 inches, put on another 20-40 lbs, then we might have a pretty good backup center. Until then, we need somebody like Elson.
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by cuppettcj on
May 7, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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By the Way
Both Kwame Brown and Juwan Howard are unrestricted free agents this summer. Maybe we can get a two for one deal? ;-)
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by cuppettcj on
May 7, 2008 10:10 AM EDT
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Also Available
Juan Dixon, Arvis “Where’s the J?” Hayes, and Michael “Noooo! Not Possible!” Ruffin are all unrestricted free agents as well.
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by cuppettcj on
May 7, 2008 10:14 AM EDT
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I think he was joking.....
As I consider both Kwame and Juwan to fit a comical bill.
Dixon = too small….we need a guard who can play D.
Hayes = rather have Roger Mason.
Ruffin = would rather sign nobody and let D-Mac blossom.

