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Wizards vs Cavaliers: 2008 NBA Playoffs Rd. 1 Gm. 5 Blog

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Yup....I was one of those working stiffs rushing to get home for the 6 pm start time. Just as I was getting near my bus stop, Beat It by Michael Jackson came on my ipod....my 'Top 5000 Songs' playlist; I assumed this to be a good sign. I made it in my apartment just in time to see Big Z look like Hakeem Olajuwon before throwing up a fade-away on Haywood heading into a commercial break at the 9 minute mark. 5-4 Wizards.

8:36: Coming out the timeout, DeShawn Stevenson throws up some gar-báge.

Halfway through the first quarter, the Wiz are up 2. I still haven't gotten a feel from this team. I see Caron Butler hustling...Haywood is making some baller moves...but I can't tell if this team wants to win or not. Of course, they've been so inconsistent from quarter to quarter this year....who knows.

The Cleveland crowd seems tame. Stevenson, of course, gets the boo treatment, but it doesn’t seem very strong....maybe the confident attitude of the Cavs has given the fans a sense of complacency. It's in the bag I guess....

4:08: Wow. Caron gets a steal after Wally was lazy in recovering the ball....goes down, looks to travel, definitely got fouled...but the refs give Caron the continuation for the And 1. He was in the act of shooting, but I'm not sure they should have counted that.....even though the foul did cause the travel. I assume the refs made the right call. 16-11 Wizards.

Team - Gilbert < Team + Caron Butler.....for now.

3:54: Oh god, here we go. God damned LeBron James is a sweetheart.

He drives baseline....Darius Songaila obviously fouls him...as both of their arms are locked up....LeBron attempts to pull his arm away and in the process ends up causing Songaila's arm to hit him in the neck/side-face......a complete accident. LeBron acts as if Johnny Lawrence (you probably know him as Billy Zabka) just swept the neck instead of the leg.

Players gather....Anderson Varejao plays instigator and swats Stevenson's arm away for some reason....of course Stevenson overreacts and swats Andy's arm away. Jamison gets heated.

Somehow Wally shoots two techs...still not sure what happened. I know this: LeBron overreacted and the referees overreacted in turn. [Later,  video evidence would reveal that LeBron checked where he did not get hit....and he just received the Sylvester Stallone award for bad acting.]

Dan Gilbert's friend (or at least a dude he knows sitting next to him) throws a towel at DeShawn and DOESN'T get kicked out. Essentially, Gilbert tells security not to toss him. Oh really now.....?

In the meantime, the Wizards have been called for two offensive fouls (Songaila and Stevenson)...didn't really see them.

1:55: It's cleared up that Songaila received a tech (that's just crazy)....and Varejao and Stevenson each got techs...which was justifiable.

1:28: Haywood gets called for another offensive foul....no one could argue that it wasn't a flop on Varejao.....terrible officiating thus far. This is unbelievable. Phil Chenier even points out that the Brazilian Spaz flopped the opposite way that Haywood was going.

Somehow the Wizards are up 20-16 with 8 turnovers in the first quarter....of course at least three of those came from offensive fouls.

0:01: Caron Butler nails a smooth three to end the first, his 3rd. And here I was thinking that I was coming home to watch a basketball game. Wizards up 23-16, Caron Butler has 14 points.

2nd Quarter

Reggie Miller and Marv Albert are absolutely unbelievable....I'm actually disgusted that they are assuming that Songaila intentionally "punched" LeBron. I don't think there is any doubt in Miller's mind that there was a punch there. They actually wanted the refs to review the play and throw Darius out. Perhaps they weren't privy to the same conclusive replays as Comcast....I don't care, they can both still go to hell.

10:28: Unbelievable shot by Caron after losing the ball....I can't even begin to describe what he did..caught the loose rock in the air and then threw the ball in with the clock running down...or something like that. 25-21 Wizards.

I guess the Wiz are winning and stuff....at the next timeout, they are up 30-25. I am still baffled, flabbergasted, shocked at Marv Albert and Reggie Miller. Not only did they think that Darius Songaila's play was a punch, but Albert mocked Eddie Jordan's opinion when the TNT sideline reporter interviewed him about the play.....sarcastically saying something to the effect "Yea, like LeBron James' head went into Darius Songaila's fist." Need I remind everyone that not only does "Marvelous" Marv enjoy wearing women's underwear, but he also has taken part in threesomes involving another dude. Add Marv and Reggie to the list of hack jobs

At least the Wizards have seemed to keep their concentration after that absurdity....now I suppose I need to do the same. Marv Albert will not hear the end of this.

[NOTE: I am not whining that a call was made against Songaila....he did foul LeRootyPoo. And while the technical was unjust, I'm not even whining about that. No, I am simply complaining and pointing out the ridiculousness of Reggie Miller and Marv Albert]

Does Gil want to be a Wizard? (TNT Sideline Interview) "Of course...I'd love to come back if they want me to come back."

5:22: DeShawn hits a three....we need him to shut his mouth, play with a chip on his shoulder, use the boos to power him, and step his game up. 37-32 Wiz.

4:44: Empty possession...Mason a runner? Never his shot. Caron misses a fader.

4:21: Stevenson is not feeling his face very well....he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration. 40-34 Wiz.

3:22: Too many outside shots...Caron takes a bad one, low shot clock though...AJ hustles for a board, gets it out to Stevenson who takes a three himself....miss. The Wiz really need to take advantage of 2nd chances.

TNT is reporting that DeShawn went to a Cleveland mall yesterday with 5 teammates. Why would he do that and why would the Wizards coaching staff allow him to do that? (assuming they knew)....DeShawn Stevenson is not making it easy for me to like him at all. One, what the hell is an NBA player doing at a mall in the first place? Two, DeShawn is doing nothing but looking for trouble.....he's such an idiot. I'd also like to know who went to the mall with him. I'd bet that Antawn Jamison and Antonio Daniels weren't among those who did.

2:26: I seriously can't believe the Wizards have a 42-39 lead.....Cleveland gave some back court pressure and played it tight once the Wiz were in the half court....lack of composure led to turnover #11, shot clock violation.

2:14: But the Cavs make an unforced turnover coming back down the court.

1:55: Turnover again...Butler drives, Haywood rolls, but the pass was too far behind him. The sand paper offense.....not smooth.

1:20: A gimpy AD, who got tripped by Gibson a couple possessions ago, gets a block on Boobie from behind and coasts up court for the layup. He has to check out. 44-39 Wiz.

1:00: Oh my god.....turnovers are crazy....Stevenson got to the basket, passed, and Haywood just bobbled the ball out of bounds.

0:00: Butler misses a trey on LeBron to end the 1st half....it looks like Eddie wanted him to drive as he had plenty of time. Wizards up 45-43 at the half.

Half Stats:

  1. The main thing the Wiz have going for them is hot shooting, 17-33
  2. The Wizards are also winning the battle of the boards, 16-14 (although the Cavs have 6 offensive to 4 for DC)
  3. We all know that turnovers are a killer, 13-9 Wizards (although both teams have 9 points off turnovers)
  4. The Potomac Rainmaker chipped in with 6 points off the bench....and he didn't even attempt a three.
  5. Caron had 16 points, Stevenson had 11
  6. Big Z had 12, LeBaby LeTravel LeBoo-Boo LeBron had 10
  7. Bobble-hands Haywood had a +7
  8. LeBron James had a -4

3rd Quarter

10:58: The offense gets AD a long jumper....make...huh? 47-46 Wiz.

10:23: Stevenson hits a tough fade away deuce....two shots I don't like, but they went down so I can't exactly complain. 49-46 Wiz.

9:40: AD gets a runner as ball movement had the Cav D out of position. Cleveland fans seems a little tentative.

9:09: Wow....Caron Butler drives baseline...misses...but tips in his own layup. 53-48 Wiz.

8:28: Stevenson gets a steal after a Butler miss....but takes a trey. Why can't he ever show patience on second chance opportunities?

Stevenson drive....lays it off for BTH, the ball is a little behind him, but he bobbles it anyway - Wiz get the ball back after it goes out of bounds, but DeShawn misses a fade away.

7:38: Jamison misses an open look...I really give it to AD though, he's doing his best to drive the ball into the paint.

7:31: Szczerbiak absolutely BLOWS a layup. I think DeShawn bothered him by not fouling.

6:29: Timeout....play has become sloppy for both teams. The Wizards aren't doing anything post-wise. Would it be too much to ask that they try some looks at Haywood?

6:14: Butler misses an outside jumper.....settling = frustration.

5:51: LeBron bricks a three.

5:42: Daniels misses a wide open deuce...I mean, he had to take it...if Cleveland is going to let you have that one.....Wizards are 0 for the last 8.

5:14: Jamison gets caught on Z....11-0 run for the Cavs. 59-53 Cleveland.

0 for the last 10, 11, 12...finally Jamison makes a put back...and the Wiz get 3 offensive boards on one possession for a change.  8 second chance points, 5 Jamison points, 9 AJ boards. 59-55 Cavs.

4:05: LeBron throws up a bad brick.

The Wiz are starting to get scrappy on the boards, Caron picks up an AJ runner miss. 59-57 Cavs.

Sub-time: AD, MaseOn, Butler, Songaila & AJ vs James, Brazilian Spaz, Boobie, Joe Smith and West.

3:02: Jamison answers a Boobie trey with his own. 62-60 Cavs.

Comcast reports that Mike Brown took a trip to the Italian Alps after last year's NBA finals to learn the European brand of basketball and the art of "hockey" assists.....looks like he learned a lot of flopping and whining from Italian soccer heads too.

1:49: Butler breaks some ice with a trey....now he needs to dominate the inside. He's gotten better at shooting 3s, but I don't want to see him rely on that shot too much. 63 tie game.

1:08: Caron picks up assist #5 to Songaila. 65-63 Wiz.

A Wiz break off a Brazilian Spaz miss leads to FTs for Songaila. 67-63 Wiz.

0:27: LeBron does the takeover move and scores a layup. 67-65.

0:04: Bam! (did I just type 'bam'?) 6-0 run by D-Song...Daniels with more penetration and pops it to D-Song for a long and confident deuce (good god that sounds disgusting).

LeBron misses a trey at the buzzer. 69-65 Wizards heading into the final 12.

4th Quarter

11:44: LeBron's jump to pass gets him in trouble - turnover.

TNT breaks down Bron's points. 4 in paint, 9 from 3, 8 from the FT line.

11:32: Caron nails FTs to get a new career playoff high, 25 points.

11:08: Caron plays tough D on LeBron when he tried to bulldog his way through a double...lost the ball....and you can hear the crying - I guess LeBron just expects to power his way between two players and get the call.

10:25: Haywood gets blocked....he needs to step it up....get fouled, something.

9:57: Haywood has the ball inside...and the rock gets knocked away by Bron. C'mon BTH! Get tough!

Jamison checks in for Haywood...small lineup - AD, Mase, Butler, D-song & AJ vs Brown, Bron, Gibson, Big Z and Joey Smith. And Brown hits a three..they forgot about him.  71-68 Wizards.

9:05: Mason his a baseliner after missing his last two attempts in the quarter. 73-68 Wiz.

8:47: LeBron spins....travels.....the refs scramble to break out the red carpet before the other foot comes down...and bucket. 73-70 Wizards.

7:28: We go to timeout as Jamison, Songaila and Butler all have 4 fouls.

8:00: Couple offensive boards...bucket for Big Z.

Wiz get bumped....can't convert...down the court, they are confused on D and leave the lane wide open for a LeBron dunk. 6-0 Cavs run as they take the lead. 74-73 Cleveland. [And later on.....TNT replays show that Big Z gave Songaila a major elbow on this play]

7:28: Timeout Wiz.

7:09: Wiz hold the ball too long and Butler fires a shot and misses. Butler got doubled, but he held onto the ball.....he needs to pass before the D gets there. Keep the ball moving!

6:28: Finally...Haywood gets something done inside. He draws a foul in the paint. Makes both.  76-75 Cavs.

6:07: Devin Brown misses a wide open three set up by LeBron.

5:58: Caron can't convert on two close tries.

5:50: LeBron decides to take it himself...Layup. 78-75 Cavs.

5:35: Jamison draws a foul on a drive. ...he misses both.

5:02: Stevenson drives...and draws a foul. At least it seems like settling for jumpers is unacceptable for the Wizards.  He makes both. 78-77 Cavs.

Do the Wiz need to double LeBron more?...he's getting where he wants off the high screens. I understand not wanting to leave anyone open...but they're just letting him do the damn thing. Haywood fouls him and LBJ makes 2. 80-77.

4:38: Again, the Wizards drive...this time Butler earns two FTs. Makes both. 80-79 Cavs.

The Wizards have turned to Wack a Wallace...he misses the first, and the 2nd. Butler gets the board and Wallace fouls him. See ya Ben. He checks out and Z checks in.

Damn, Butler misses the first. I haven't been nervous this whole game and here the Wizards go...making me think they have a chance. Tie game at 80 after the 2nd FT.

4:24: Looks like the Wiz go to double LeBron as Big Z sets a high screen....Stevenson and Haywood out there....unfortunately, Haywood commits a foul on Ilgauskas trying to make sure that the screener stays out of the way. Big Z makes only 1. D-Song comes in for Haywood. 81-80 Cavs.

4:05: Stevenson drives...throws up a crazy runner...Good. 82-81 Wizards.

The Wiz are showing a lot of help on LeBron...he drives...and gets bumped by D-Song. 1 of 2 on FTs...but the Wiz can't control the board...and knock it out of bounds from LeBron as he was going up for a follow shot.

3:25: LeBron tries to split a D team...loses the ball again, but Joe Smith falls on it and Cleveland calls timeout. Haywood checks back in. Game still tied at 82.

3:17: LeBron drives...someone is always open on the baseline...this time Joe Smith is....he misses, but the ball goes out of bounds off the Wizards.

Big Z goes away from setting the pick because he sees the Wiz double team....LeBron tries to take DeShawn 1 on 1, but AD is there to jump in and tie the ball up. LBJ easily wins the tap.

2:48: A Scramble...with 7 seconds to shoot.... Gibson almost travels...goes to shoot, no dice.

Awww No!!! Stop trying to pass to Haywood....AJ drives...ball is knocked away, Cleveland recovers...Wiz turnover.

2:11: LeBron drives on the other end and Haywood picks up a blocking foul, his 6th. Tough call...seems like BTH had some position...LBJ definitely dropped his shoulder....but we'll never get that call.  2 FTs, Cavs up 2. 84-82.

1:47: Down to 1 on 1 moves with Caron on LeBron....tough shot...definite contact from Joe Smith...but the refs would never call that. Cavaliers get the board and fast break.....LeBron gives it to West, layup And 1. Wizards down 5.....doesn’t look good at all.

Wiz are 2-12 from the field in the 4th...can't win with that, can you?

1:41: Songaila gets a reverse layup attempt rejected by Big Z (and Joe Smith)..and Z recovers the ball. Very bad idea D-Song. I'd say it's just about over.

1:17: LeBron misses a trey...baaaaad.

Jamison misses a trey.....Butler gets the board put back. Wiz pressure....(wish Wallace was in the game). Gibson misses a jumper...Daniels fights for the board...and is fouled by Joe Smith. The Wizards are down 87-84.

Tisk, tisk....A real player would've taken it all the way...Bron Bron wanted to pass....Daniel Gibson wanted to miss a three.

0:43: AD makes both FTs...wow. Wiz down 87-86.

I thought all was lost...but now I'm nervous

0:15: LeBron passes again!....Joe smith misses a close one.....the ball is tipped about 4 times and finally Caron Butler snags it.

0:11.2: seconds left...down 1. What do you do?....who knows, I'm just a fan.

Butler drives....and gets the ball to go! (How? I am not sure) 3.9 seconds left. Washington Wizards up 88-87.

My initial thought....you know we're setting ourselves up for heartbreak, right? (I resist typing this on the BF game thread)

0:03.9: I don't think LeBron will be passing this time....do you double him? Good god I don't know...like I said. I'm just a fan.

Comcast relays that Eddie wants to go 1-on-1 ...DeShawn is maning up....LeBron drives....shoots a runner.......NOPE!!!

Game. Over.

Songaila had his back turned to LeBron...but held his ground, there was contact....but it was a good no call...it SHOULD have been a no call...but the Cavs want to blame LeBron's miss on anything BUT LeBron missing.

I actually wait for Mike Brown to sit Indian Style (I don't mean that to be racist or anything....maybe I should say cross-legged.....)...in any case, I expect Mike Brown to do this in protest at center court. He doesn't....and we are heading back to the District of Columbia.

Peace.

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he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration.

Classic. Good job as usual Truth.

'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap

by KDP on May 1, 2008 9:06 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs

No offense....

To any test-tube babies.

by Truth About It on May 1, 2008 1:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

this was good too

pops it to D-Song for a long and confident deuce (good god that sounds disgusting).

by DarrellWalkerFan on May 1, 2008 12:44 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

great game, but...

there is no way we win games 6 (or 7) with a lackluster performance from Jamison…he pissed me off last night…I just don’t know WHY we can’t our big 3 (now big 2) to have good games SIMULTANEOUSLY…EVERYONE needs to play well…
There is no way Cleveland shoots that poorly tomorrow night…they hit everything they threw up game 4.
Pick it up fellaz!
and yes, Caron is the MAN!!!

by DynaMix on May 1, 2008 1:43 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Look at the positive.

You know that AJ is going to come out balling on Friday.

He doesn’t have too many bad back-to-backs….especially in the playoffs.

by Truth About It on May 1, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

really?

other than last year, when his 30+ a game didn’t really matter b/c the wiz had no realistic chance of winning, AJ has come up small several times in the playoffs:

1 – last night (he definitely contributed, but he wasn’t big either)
2 – game1 this series when he missed two wide open Js down the stretch that could have pretty much iced it for the wiz
3 – game 4 when he got destroyed on the boards
4 – game 5 2006 when he didn’t seal the baseline and lebron got through for a layup
5 – the 2006 series in general when gooden abused him on the boards

i love AJ, and he’s come up huge in crunch time in many, many regular season games for the wiz, but i’m still waiting for him to come up big in a wiz playoff win. i don’t see why there’s any guarantee that he’ll suddenly go off tomorrow night. not that i won’t hope for him to do so.

i think a lot of it has to do with the cavs being about the worst possible matchup for him. if the wiz could just face some team other than the damn cavs, jamison might be dominating and everyone would love him. however, to be a championship team you have to be able to go through whatever team you face, and so far all the jamison naysayers who for years have been saying the wiz need to replace him with a 4 that can be more dominant in the paint… as much as it really really pains me to even acknowledge this, they might be looking smart right now.

by DarrellWalkerFan on May 1, 2008 2:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   1 recs

I Agree 100%

Jamison has been a huge disappointment for the Wizards in the playoffs, both this season and two seasons ago. The Wiz would probably be up 3 games to 2 right now if he could only make a single shot in the last 4 minutes of Game 1. My biggest problem with him is takes way too many outside shots when he is cold. An occasional 3-pointer attempt is OK every once in awhile, but when he’s not making them he needs to either attack the rim or dish to someone else.

His shooting percentage has been horrible except for Game 3 and Game 4. Look it up.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on May 1, 2008 3:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I looked it up

Jamison’s FG-FGA (Wizard’s FG-FGA)

Game 1: 10-24 (Team 33-82)
Game 2: 4-13 (Team 27-72)
Game 3: 5-10 (Team 38-73)
Game 4: 8-17 (Team 32-70)
Game 5: 3-10 (Team 31-76)

Total through 5 games: 30-74 (40.5%) (Team 161-373 43.2%)
Jamisons TS% for the series is 46.4

I wouldn’t call that shooting horrible. Cleveland has played good defense and forced him into a lot of jumpers. Our offense didn’t run properly in a few games, not Jamison’s fault. I don’t buy the “not shooting when you’re cold” idea, at least not for a veteran.

And I certainly wouldn’t call him a huge disappointment in the playoffs: Jamison had high game high in rebounds 3 times and team high all 5 times this series.

by Aldo on May 1, 2008 3:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It sucks that he has no help on the glass

And for that, he’s at least been somewhat helpful. But a 46.4 true shooting percentage sucks ass, and we need it to be much better.

This was our best player all year. It’s reasonable to expect him to do better.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on May 1, 2008 5:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

"3 – game 4 when he got destroyed on the boards"

That’s a bit unfair, he had 11 boards, a full 33% of our total.

I hear what you’re saying about last year, but it’s hard to discount him throwing down 30+ ppg for me. Also it’ll be interesting to see what he does without gil in the lineup.

by five by five on May 1, 2008 7:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Adjustments

This game was all about adjustments… gilly comes back, adjustment to him, gilly goes out again, adjustment to him, and therein was the difficulties. Now that (i hope) everyone remembers their roles from THE ENTIRE REST OF THE SEASON, the whizzinators will get back to the tough d and gritty offense. Oh, and I write about it all the time, but i’m totally expecting a game 7 overtime loss. It is DC after all.

"[U]nless you hear something from the captains, which would be myself and Antawn, don't label that as the team. I'm the voice of this team and Antawn is the spiritual and emotional leader so unless you hear it from one of us, keep it moving."
Caron

by JasonGaines on May 1, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

if we make it to game 7

and lose, I will at least respect our team…

What people fail to realize is that ALOT of people outside DC, analysts, tv personalities etc, predicted the Wiz would win this series before it began. Meaning we actually had respect on a national level, and we REALLY did not take advantage of that.

For us to have lost yesterday and went out 4-1 would’ve been pathetic. Even the hawks won 2 games. But losing game 6 would also be bad…we are a good team. YOU HAVE TO WIN YOUR HOME GAMES to be taken seriously.

A Game 7 overtime loss would freakin destroy me…but I’d at least respect our Wizards for putting up the good fight.

GO WIZARDS.

by DynaMix on May 1, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

The double-standards are shocking.

Alright, look – I’m a Cavs fan and I’ll be the first to admit that Lebron gets away with a travel on many drives to the whole. But so does everyone else in the league. Thats the nature of the game nowadays – when people drive to the whole the refs are hesitant to call travels. People make so much noise about Lebron because he drives so much more than anyone else so obviously there are more occurences of no-calls.

Heres an example: Caron’s drive to the whole to win the game….5 steps. rewind and count it. His feet touched the ground on 5 seperate occasions. Am I that pissed off? Not really- its a hard call to make and I won’t use that as an excuse for why we lost the game (poor game management by Bron and Mike Brown was the reason for that.) All I hope for after this game is for Wiz fans to stop complaining (and looking rather childish in the process) about how the refs hate you. The world isn’t against you.

Its still shocking to see how Wiz fans blame all their losses on the refs treating Lebron like god. Someone please please please show me an example of the last time Lebron got a foul call in his favor in the last 15 seconds of a game. It doesn’t happen.

For that Songalia slap (and yes it was an intentional slap), he shouldn’t be suspended but it should be upgraded to a flagrant 2. People trying to proove that it was unintentional is just comical. As strong as Lebron is, he can’t launch people’s arms away from their body with a simple flick of the wirist.

by CavFan on May 1, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

Whoa....WHOA!

I admit that your “But Johnny is doing it too mom!” argument does hold some weight….as NBA refs should cut down on traveling. And actually, they were instructed to do so before the beginning of this season…..I’ve definitely noticed more traveling and carrying calls, perhaps LeBron has been grand-fathered.

And yes, LeBron is so strong and quick that he covers an amazing amount of ground…..at times, this has the chance of being misconstrued as a walk.

However, just because he drives more frequent that most doesn’t mean that the times he gets away with traveling should be increased. The fact that he tucks the ball and hits the hole like Jerome Bettis makes the instances when he does walk look all the more egregious.

Sure…..Caron’s last skip was a travel….let’s call it karma. Thanks Karma.

Puuuu-lease…I haven’t heard one Wizards fan come close to blaming any of our playoff losses on referee treatment of LeBron—we just find it rather absurd…...hardly a placement of blame. In Wizards losses, we’ve talked about stagnant offense, selfish play and lack of toughness on the boards. I feel a little disrespected that you think we are uneducated to the point where we would think otherwise.

I’m not going to even argue with you about the LeBron-Darius arm tangle…..you’ve got horse blinders on.

by Truth About It on May 1, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I didn’t mean to say he has a right to get away from traveling – but its to be expected that refs make more mistakes with someone that drives to the hole more often. For example, if they miss a traveling call 25% of the time, someone that drives to the basket 4 times a game will get away with 1 travel per game, while someone who goes 8 times a game will get away with 2 travels. My point is that there is no special treatment for Lebron.

Repeatedly stating that the reffing is one-sidded and the NBA treats Lebron like its savior is blaming losses on ref treatment. Just cuz you say “I’m not using at as an excuse, butt…” doesn’t mean its not one. Its like me insulting someone’s mother but at the end saying “but no offense.”

The only one that seems to have “horse blinders” on are Wizard fans. I have yet to hear anybody outside of Washington even consider it to be accidental.

by CavFan on May 1, 2008 6:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Here's one

CavFan writes: “I have yet to hear anybody outside of Washington even consider it to be accidental.”

J.E. Skeets at Ball Don’t Lie said of the “punch” :

A punch? Seriously, Marv? Seriously, Reg? Seriously, bloggers? Um, no. This is completely accidental. They get tangled up, LeBron tries to free his arm, Darius Songalia flails a bit, and pop — an inadvertent arm and hand to the LBJ’s cheek. That’s it. A punch? Give me a freakin’ Kit-Kat.

"Now, obviously individual production does not unilaterally equal better team production, but there's a high level of causation."

by Vanilla Gorilla on May 1, 2008 9:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

caron got away with a couple last night

but i don’t think anyone around here will stop calling lebron “letravel” anytime soon. i think it’s good karma for the wiz for butler to get an extra step in on a game winner, but it’s not like I just want caron to keep scoring on travels and have the refs look the other way. the refs should call travels. i think wiz fans would be more than happy if that started happening regularly for both sides. and caron’s move last night wasn’t NEARLY as bad as the game3 ‘06 debacle where lebron switched his pivot foot and then took 2 steps from a dead stop.

also, talk about a double-standard with the wizards being labeled in the national media as “dirty thugs”. what a joke that is. lebron drives the lane a lot, he’s going to get fouled a lot. in the playoffs he’s going to take some hard fouls. if that makes the wiz a dirty team, then all 30 nba teams are “dirty thugs”. and as for the “cheap shot” type fouls, cavs have DEFINITELY given as good as they’ve gotten this series and that’s not up for any kind of reasonable debate.

by DarrellWalkerFan on May 1, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Stop building a strawman

Nobody here is blaming games on officiating. If we did, why would we even talk about anything else anyway? Why would we write posts about what Cleveland is doing well and what we can do to fix that? Why would we deliberate in this very same comment thread about Antawn Jamison’s offensive disappearance? What would be the point, then, if it’s all because, as you say “the reffing is one-sidded and the NBA treats Lebron like its savior.”

And no, writing a comment in the middle of a game that expresses frustration with one call is not the same as blaming losses on officials. Talk about a logic jump. A distinction needs to be made between heat-of-the-moment comments during game threads and actual points of view. We get frustrated, everyone gets frustrated, but its part of getting caught up in the emotion of the moment. That’s why we have Game Threads here; it’s to get all that out of the way, before we calmly discuss the series. If that was your criteria for how people think, then fans of every team would be guilty of it as well.

It so disingenuous to bracket all Wizards fans together and say they all think the same way. I would never do that for Cavs fans. Perhaps there are Wizards fans out there who think it’s all the officiating. Fine. But those fans don’t post here. None of us are like that.

Also, Caron definitely traveled, no argument there. Some people here were saying that too immediately after it happened.

And as for Darius, I don’t share the viewpoint that it was completely accidental, though as Jake metioned, there are others out there who do think it was. But a Flagrant 2? Really? For a little shot to the face? If you’re going to give Darius Songaila (a mild-mannered man who has never done anything malicious in terms of hard fouls) a Flagrant 2, you might as well give LeBron one as well for his elbow across Andray Blatche’s head in Game 1 (which was not called a foul, by the way).

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on May 1, 2008 6:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I wasn’t implying that the posters on this site have been laying all the blame on the officiating, but it has been a general observation about Wizard fans from coming across them in message boards similar to this (and like all generalizations, there are obviously many exceptions.) So don’t take my commnets as a personal attack on this site, but more as a general “heat-of-the-moment comment” about Wiz fans.

Lebrons elbow was infact upgraded to a flagrant foul after the game. So it would only make sense that this hit be upgraded as well. Obviously it won’t make a difference in the series, but the NBA needs to be consistent with the message its sending about “roughness” (regardless if you agree or disagree with the message.)

by CavFan on May 1, 2008 8:40 PM EDT reply reply   0 recs

LeBron’s foul was retroactively made a Flagrant 1, not a Flagrant 2, if memory serves me.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on May 2, 2008 1:33 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Fair enough

There is a lot of whining from the vague general Wizards fanbase. I just don’t like it when the worst of those fans suddenly talk for the whole fanbase.

It’s kind of like Caron was saying in his interview. Don’t let what DeShawn Stevenson is saying speak for the entire Wizards team.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on May 2, 2008 1:34 AM EDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Forced Internment

If Darius Songaila is such a monster b/c he intentionally tried to hit Brony Bron in the face, then Brendan Haywood must eat babies for lunch and puppies for dinner, and Deshawn Stevenson presides over forced internment and slave labor on some poor pacific island. This is ridiculous, Lebron wasn’t even checking WHERE HE GOT HIT after the play was over. “Oh, hmmm lemme check, maybe my throat will get me more sympathy than the side of my face…. going to the focus group… nothing? Okay back to the side of the cheek.”

"[U]nless you hear something from the captains, which would be myself and Antawn, don't label that as the team. I'm the voice of this team and Antawn is the spiritual and emotional leader so unless you hear it from one of us, keep it moving."
Caron

by JasonGaines on May 2, 2008 8:39 AM EDT reply reply   0 recs


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