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Open Thread: Playoff Game 4

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The Essentials:
Eastern Conference Quarterfinals Game 4 (Cavs up 2-1)
1 p.m. (That's 8 p.m. if you're in Israel.)
ABC

Key Links (drop any others in the comments)
This rivalry just keeps getting weirder and weirder.
Akron is hatin' on DC now.
Arenas will try to make a go of it today.
A nice profile on Haywood.

Today's Lines
Cavaliers at Wizards:
Wizards by 4
Over/Under on Total Points: 187

After all of the hijinks and craziness of the first three games, this is where the series takes a turn for the serious.  With each team trading beatdowns on each other, everyone's gotten their laughs and whatnot out and it's time to focus on the games, and it's a good time to do it, because like every best of seven, Game 4 is key.  If Cleveland wins they're only a game away from clinching, and if Washington evens it up, we've got a whole new series on our hands.  The team that can settle down and play their brand of basketball today will get the W and set the tone for the rest of the series.

I'm predicting a fairly even, defensive battle like Game 1, just with the Wizards pulling it out at the end.  If the Wizards can keep the focus on doing what they do and not getting caught up in trying to be something they're not, they should win today.

This is an open thread, so debate how bourgeois or un-bourgeois the dunk contest is here.

GO WIZARDS!

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I’ve got to work today, so I won’t be around for the comments. Keep the comments on the up and up y’all!

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by Jake Whitacre on Apr 27, 2008 12:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Mike Wise

also drops a column on the Jay-z /Club Love/Damon Jones smackdown on DeShawn. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/26/AR2008042602240.html

Seriously though, this game (and series) is basically the litmus test. If this version of the Wiz fails, injuries notwithstanding, then I don’t see how we stand pat this offseason.

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Apr 27, 2008 1:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Game 4

I’ll be there wearing white but I have no idea what will happen. I don’t think anything will surprise me. We gotta play D like Game 3 though.

by hotplate on Apr 27, 2008 8:47 AM EDT reply actions  

boycott!

Just want to let everyone know that this 49 year old white guy is joining the boycott of Park and Love. They will never get my business again! I’ll find somewhere else to do my clubbing.

by hotplate on Apr 27, 2008 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

hilarious

i’m on board with the boycott too.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Apr 27, 2008 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha!

Not only will I join the boycott, I’ll one-up it and make it a lifetime ban. Not only won’t I go to Park or Love in the future, but I’ll use my nerd powers over the time-space continuum to boycott them in the past as well.

There. Done. How do you like that, Park and Love? I spent all my money in brew pubs and sports bars instead.

"Now, obviously individual production does not unilaterally equal better team production, but there's a high level of causation."

by Vanilla Gorilla on Apr 27, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

GOOO WIZAAARDS!
Jamison today = 32 points, 15 rebounds.

by Dericaz on Apr 27, 2008 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

DC - Over

Good lord…...I’ll save my comments on the goings ons in the Wizards community for the game blog.

by Kyle Weidie on Apr 27, 2008 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn

Just got back from Israel, and I can’t believe the all-white I’m seeing. Is this really the same DC atmosphere that has been criticized all season.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Who knows....

Welcome back…...I guess DC only comes out in the second season when it’s fashionable to do so.

by Kyle Weidie on Apr 27, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boo

I don’t like that they’re calling that foul on DeShawn. That means they’re calling this one tight.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone here?

Or everyone at the game right now?

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

On the left coast

but wearing white, just for safety’s sake.

by WRG on Apr 27, 2008 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Present....

Then they started letting them play a little; the tears are flowing for Cleveland.

by Kyle Weidie on Apr 27, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hah

Varejao sucks. Jamison rocks.

Butler needs to post up more, methinks.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Boo

Bad call. Brown wasn’t even controlling the ball.

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by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Have we ever seen this lineup before

Gilbert, AD, and Mason in at the same time. I imagine that will stop as soon as LeBron comes back into the game.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Achilles heels

Rebounding: To be expected.
Turnovers: Not to be expected.

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by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Huh

I mean, Ben fouled him, but LeBron fouled him first.

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by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

i can’t believe that lebron cried about that and convinced the refs to call that foul on wallace. BS

by Aldo on Apr 27, 2008 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Really?

Because I can totally believe it.

by Kyle Weidie on Apr 27, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean, that I can’t believe the refs bought LeBron’s pouting.

by Aldo on Apr 27, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Transition D needs to improve

And Caron has to stop shooting 20-footers.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Awful rebounding

This was the major concern coming into the series. It’s finally showing.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

WTF

Mike Brown cannot do that. He can’t just run all the way out of the coaching box.

Brendan’s right. Calm down, please.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

What the hell is LeBron doing?

And please, Caron barely touched him.

It’s a good thing the TV timeout is happening now. We’re losing our composure.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

this is pathetic.

prada’s right. no composure; our heads aren’t in the game. we just need to settle down and play the damn game.

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Apr 27, 2008 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

GET ARENAS OUT

4 turnovers (five really, if you include the pass to Daniels) and no points, Arenas is -11 and Mason +10.

by billyjoe on Apr 27, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice possession out of the TO

Except the passing really isn’t crisp at all.

It’s almost getting to the point where Arenas shouldn’t play as much. He’s clearly out of rhythm.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Unbelievable

The offense just doesn’t exist right now.

Get Haywood and Mason back in the game.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

that was fun.

this half is the season right here. We arent winning 2 in cleveland. Put up or shut up time. Thing is, we can totally take this team but unless we want it more than them it’s just not happening. I’d like to see Butler put the team on his back. (I’d even say Arenas but he is godawful today). We need our own hombre to match Lebron – and let’s face it: he may be a whiner but right now he wants this game more than anybody else out there, and that’s the difference.

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Apr 27, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Grunfeld must be going bonkers

Jordan insists on going small and slow (Arenas). Seven minutes for Blatche. If Wiz don’t win, this is the end for EJ.

by billyjoe on Apr 27, 2008 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Im inclined to believe you.

Not that I care all that much. It may be time for new leadership. Jordan did a great job but I’m not sure he’s the man to get them over the hump. We’ll see though – one more half to play.

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Apr 27, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh

I don’t think Eddie’s coaching is the reason we’re down 10. It comes down to rebounding and turnovers, neither of which have changed with different guys on the floor.

His only mistake is playing Arenas too much.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those two layups

The ABC crew (mostly Tirico and Salters) are pointing to Stevenson’s flagrant as the turning point, but really, it was those two breakdowns in the transition defense.

I’d like to see Eddie ditch Gilbert and go mostly with an AD-Mason backcourt. We should also get Haywood involved more.

In the end, though, I think this half will tell it all about Caron Butler’s career. Is he simply a good second banana, or is he really a borderline franchise guy? He needs to be spectacular for us to win.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Bad start

Forced shot by Caron, open shot for Z

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Gilbert has to sit

Ironic that he just hit a three, but he’s killing us on offense and on defense. I blame Eddie Jordan here. If he can’t stand up to his star and do what’s best for the team, he needs to go.

by mdd1970 on Apr 27, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Gilbert's poor defense...

is pulling everyone out of position. I think he has a lot to do with the rebounding problem. That being said, my problem is not with Gilbert. He’s a gamer. It’s with Eddie for not putting our best team on the floor.

by mdd1970 on Apr 27, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure I totally agree

When LeBron hit that open three, there were three Wizards in the paint, yet Ben Wallace tapped the rebound out for another shot.

It’s also not like LeBron is penetrating. He’s mostly shot jumpers today.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually like how Gilbert's playing

He hasn’t forced anything this half. Two nice passes, one to Jamison, one to Haywood.

It’s the other guys who aren’t doing much right now. Again, where is Butler?

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Decent start to the quarter

The fourth on Z is big, because it brings Joe Smith in, and he’s not as good a rebounder.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Here it is!

Five straight great possessions.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Bad time for tv timeout, we finally have some momentum.

by Aldo on Apr 27, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Four straight rebounds for Cleveland

That’s ridiculous.

15 offensive boards for Cleveland. Can we keep Haywood in the game?

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by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions  

This is absolutely awful

The only way Cleveland can score is through an offensive rebound. We can’t let them do that.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

omg….eddie jordan…please wake up and put someone willing to rebound in the game, songalia doesnt want to

by bcrawfo225 on Apr 27, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh Darius...

Why is he so slow and trying to block a much bigger man than him? Ugh.

"My only regret is that I have boneitis." - That Guy on Futurama

by Wizards on Apr 27, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Fourth quarter

We will not win this game if they keep getting this many offensive rebounds. If I see a small lineup ONCE in the fourth quarter I might break my TV.

Washington Wizards Playoffs 2008: "We're Bushing it."

by Gilbert4SpaceJam2 on Apr 27, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

u know what this is all coaching….you get totally outrebounded and have all of these turnovers and yet are still in the game….ive been saying jordan needs to go since early last yr

by bcrawfo225 on Apr 27, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

That was a tough 5-0 run

Especially given how close Antoine’s baby hook was to going in. Question for all of us would-be coaches: What lineup should EJ start the 4th with?

by mdd1970 on Apr 27, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Now THIS

is the most important 4th quarter of the year.

Adjustments can be made…..let’s have faith.

by Kyle Weidie on Apr 27, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd go tall and athletic

This isn’t going to happen, but a lineup of BTH, AB, AJ, CB and AD would be interesting.

"My only regret is that I have boneitis." - That Guy on Futurama

by Wizards on Apr 27, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I like.

Do they play zone or m2m?

by mdd1970 on Apr 27, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would switch depending on the personnel the Cavs showed.

"My only regret is that I have boneitis." - That Guy on Futurama

by Wizards on Apr 27, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sit Jamison to start

Go with Brendan and Andray, then bring Jamison in for Andray.

Otherwise, go with the starters.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why can't we rebound?

"My only regret is that I have boneitis." - That Guy on Futurama

by Wizards on Apr 27, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

ok nvm nobody wants to rebound….you cant win that way on any level

by bcrawfo225 on Apr 27, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

How can you not get that rebounding

And how can that not be a travel on LeBron.

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by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Well sure

But Blatche hasn’t exactly been a consistent member of the rotation this year anyway.

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by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big shots by Delonte

Not sure what more you can do there. That was a pretty good close-out by Antawn.

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by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed.

It will hurt if Delonte makes the difference… but I’m pretty happy with the Cavs shooting contested threes.

by mdd1970 on Apr 27, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

daniels has played great all yr…but we need someone to stretch the D out right now and get some easier shots….hes not a threat beyond the ft line

by bcrawfo225 on Apr 27, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

:X

Who is that? Gil’s looking really shaky. And Nick Young’s TOs aren’t what we need :x

"My only regret is that I have boneitis." - That Guy on Futurama

by Wizards on Apr 27, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I take it back. BRING IN DS.

"My only regret is that I have boneitis." - That Guy on Futurama

by Wizards on Apr 27, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Weird shot.

Now defend!

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by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

can we hack wallace until he goes out the game?

by bcrawfo225 on Apr 27, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Hack-a-Ben!

Fascinating. Would Eddie dare?

by mdd1970 on Apr 27, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you.

"My only regret is that I have boneitis." - That Guy on Futurama

by Wizards on Apr 27, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh man

What a backbreaker.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Why didn’t Caron just come right up into his chest and stand there? 2 on the shot clock… :x

"My only regret is that I have boneitis." - That Guy on Futurama

by Wizards on Apr 27, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

is eddie jordan an idiot? foul wallace until the cavs take him out

by bcrawfo225 on Apr 27, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

We need to keep taking it to the rim to stop the clock...

and the foul.

"My only regret is that I have boneitis." - That Guy on Futurama

by Wizards on Apr 27, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Let's just start shooting threes

Cause driving to the basket is sooooo yesterday.

by Kyle Weidie on Apr 27, 2008 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

What a move!

Caron is stepping up big time right now.

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by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Fifth FOUL on LEBRON!

"My only regret is that I have boneitis." - That Guy on Futurama

by Wizards on Apr 27, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they cant stop the cavs shooters….make mike brown do some damn coaching….foul ben wallace dammit

by bcrawfo225 on Apr 27, 2008 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Deshawn...

NEEDS to stop jacking up so many threes. Take it to the basket PLEASE.

Washington Wizards Playoffs 2008: "We're Bushing it."

by Gilbert4SpaceJam2 on Apr 27, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I Concur

Is it me, or has Haywood been the only one to earn his paycheck every game

by bcrawfo225 on Apr 27, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

big fts….delonte cant guard him w/ 1 leg

by bcrawfo225 on Apr 27, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Need a big stop here.

"My only regret is that I have boneitis." - That Guy on Futurama

by Wizards on Apr 27, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Butler needs to touch the ball every trip down the floor

LBJ can’t guard him, period, let alone with five fouls.

by mdd1970 on Apr 27, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Ain't that the truth

Go with the hot hand….not Gil dribbling around…...STOP PLEASE!!

by Kyle Weidie on Apr 27, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now we should hack-a-ben!

If foul him gently away from the ball, it’s not a flagrant, right?

by mdd1970 on Apr 27, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

we shouldve been hacking him a long time ago….blatche/songalia coulda picked up the fouls…...

by bcrawfo225 on Apr 27, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOW!!!!

Oh man! What an unbelievable shot!

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by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

NO!

That evoked memories of Damon Jones.

Same. Exact. Spot.

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by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Except Delonte has earned this

He’s been hot all night. Damon came off the bench and made a vulture 3. Nevertheless, Dammn you Delonte.

by mdd1970 on Apr 27, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's it

Commence anger.

I’m taking a break.

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by Mike Prada on Apr 27, 2008 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Gilbert has heart...

... but it breaks my heart that Butler didn’t get to take the shot.

by mdd1970 on Apr 27, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm sick.

This is our destiny, child.

by Kyle Weidie on Apr 27, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Why...

do all players feel like they need to double clutch game ending shots. If you get the foul you get the foul, just shoot in your natural rhythm. Dang.

"My only regret is that I have boneitis." - That Guy on Futurama

by Wizards on Apr 27, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

first and foremost….eddie jordan is a sucker…..the same exact scenario played itself out 2 yrs ago…..and you let it happen again, nobody shouldve had to cheat off their man seeing as tho the cavs killed us w/ 3s the entire 4th qrtr….you are a disgrace….and the sooner you are gone, the sooner the wizards make it past the first rd

by bcrawfo225 on Apr 27, 2008 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I find it hard to blame Eddie....

Doubling LeBron was working.

What different would you have done?

by Kyle Weidie on Apr 27, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

play lebron straight up….if he makes it then we have to go for 2 to tie and not 3…..he took advantage of us cheating the entire 4th qrtr and west/gibson tore us apart

by bcrawfo225 on Apr 27, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you're looking for blame placement

Look no further than the players who weren’t tough enough to secure defensive rebounds.

by Kyle Weidie on Apr 27, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean that is very true…..im just so disappointed in this team overall…talked like men b4 the series, but when its counted the most they have played like boys….

by bcrawfo225 on Apr 27, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about those horrible rotations he had in there

IE having Songalia @ center….ive resigned to the fact that the wizards will never be more than a 5 seed as long as he is our coach….i have to give him credit for making us somewhat relevant again but we need someone to get us over the hump now

by bcrawfo225 on Apr 27, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

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