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Can we close out a game one time?  One time, Santa?  One time?

I'm so dejected right now.  This almost made my night.  We were so close to spoiling the Cleveland coronation and shocking the world. 

I'd be happier if we just got blown out.  I know I won't think that way tomorrow, but whatever.

Vent here.  I seriously hate the Cavaliers and I would have done anything for us to beat them tonight.

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I HATE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!

HATE THEM HATE THEM HATE THEM HATE THEM HATE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by gbkdc on Dec 25, 2008 10:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

H8^infinity

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by Truth About It on Dec 25, 2008 11:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Refs

I’ve not said this in quite a while, but this was a ref loss. The last few minutes of the game was bad call after bad call all going Cleveland’s way. Gift wrapped.

This is what makes me want to give up the NBA and watch college basketball.

What a sham.

by MR on Dec 26, 2008 12:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

1:33 LeBron gets 3 free throws on a phantom call
1:15 AJ fouled from behind and a terrible offensive foul call
:26 Aj & Varajao fight for rebound, AJ called for foul (fouling out)
:08 Wallace moving, steps in front of Butler. Terrible offensive foul call

by MR on Dec 26, 2008 12:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to keep replying to myself, but I forgot to mention:

AJ fouls out with 3 fouls in the last 2:00. 2 of them extremely questionable.

by MR on Dec 26, 2008 12:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In only watching the last 6 minutes

I agree – the refs decided this game due to their inconsistent calls. :(

I'm no commie, but the Reds shall be the best again!

by RedHopeful on Dec 26, 2008 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you on all of them except the last one

Wallace wasn’t moving, that was a clear offensive foul.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 26, 2008 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wallace was moving

I will watch again tonight to confirm, but I rewound it multiple times after the game.

by MR on Dec 26, 2008 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wallace was moving

Watched it again. Wallace’s left leg was sliding until the contact was made. Furthermore James has his right arm in Butler’s back and his left arm slapping in on the ball. Of the three points of contact only James’ left arm may not have been a foul. Wallace was a block, not a charge.

by MR on Dec 27, 2008 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Again

Yep – I watched it again on my DVR (wonderful device – don’t know what I did before they were invented)…..

Wallace was clearly still moving – but worse, it looked like James was pushing Butler into the contact….

The most egregious foul was the charge call on Jamison. At least with the Butler charge, I had to look at it again on replay. The charge call on Jamison was very clear in regular speed when I viewed it during the actual game play. Later, upon review with my DVR, it was even more obvious. Jamison had left the floor, and had RELEASED THE SHOT before he was undercut.

As for Butler’s foul on James’ 3-point shot….. It was not clear if Butler actually touched LeBron James elbow… If he did, it was less than a caress (still, I’m surprised that James didn’t fall down clutching his elbow, and roll around on the floor in pain – and then check his lip ) … But what was clear on that play is that the ball was already released, and any contact (if there was any) would not have affected the shot.

Varejao fouled Jamison on the rebound attempt. He was pushing AJ in the back. As Antawn was pushing back, he stumbled and was called for the foul. But they should have called Varejao for the foul on that one as well. Jamison fouled out…. and that left Butler and James as the only viable Offensive threats for the last shot. An easy Defend for Cleveland….

When you’re the Washington Wizards, playing IN Cleveland, on LeBron James shoe night, on National Television, on Christmas Day, with the TNT guys drooling all over themselves in pre-game about “The King”….. and the League pushing James as the front man for the League – - – - – - you’re not going to get ANY calls in the game…. Hence the 24 – 7 difference in Free Throws; and the calls at the end of the game to hand Cleveland the victory.

Sad fact folks… but true. Arenas is a marketable personality. Until they get Arenas back, and start winning games – the Wizards will get no respect… None from the League. None from other Teams. None from other players. And especially none from the Referees.

Bullets Forever - where "Dagger ! " happens......

by Rook6980 on Dec 27, 2008 5:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How insightful.

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com

by scottsargent on Dec 26, 2008 6:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would like to add...

That he’s a poopy face.

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by Truth About It on Dec 26, 2008 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i cringe everytime i see varejao on the court what a freakshow
and seared into my memory is lebron coming up to arenas at the freethrow line
    and elbowing blatche in the face as payback in a game last year

by morethesamewiz on Dec 26, 2008 12:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

we did lose the highground a little when stevenson did i cant feel your face when we were behind by 20 last year

by morethesamewiz on Dec 26, 2008 12:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

LOW POINT OR IS 0 OUR FOUNDATION?

Time to vent (without excuses):

HORRIBLE OFFICIATING

HORRIBLE OFFCIATING

and YES

HORRIBLE OFFICIATING

My uncle is an FOB arab from the middle east he has barely watched basketball and was wondering if someone payed off the refs? He could not believe the calls he asked if they were playing hamame basketball (pussy basketball). I mean these are two competitive teams did you see BOSTON VS. LA? They were letting them go. I mean these refs were horrible, aAre you serious 3 shots for Lebron for what foul? AJ fouled who?? Out the restricted area and its a foul on AJ? AJ gets wrist smacked NO FOUL AJ gets bumped NO FOUL. Caron gets bumped no foul. Caron fouls again on the strangest officiated play?

F*CK CRY BABY LEBRON

F*CK DESHAWN STEVENSON FOR DOING THE FEEL MY FACE & LOSING THE GAME FOR US BY MISSING 2 FREE THROWS YET AGAIN

They break my heart, they nearly broke my remote today and it is just a sport. I just wish they win for them, because they fight so hard and never get anything back. For that reason I support a 0 is that what this team is based on 0? Meaning you may have 0 wins, or nothing but you stilll pour your heart out. Thats what my team does, so for that win from Cleveland today they should feel proud becauset they didnt play ball but thanks to horrible officiarting the momentum was swung and they got a undeserving victory.

I duno Im tired and just wish this was a nightmare that never happened. We were up by potentially 8 points in the last 3 minutes what happened!!!!????

by Unxpekted on Dec 26, 2008 1:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Blazer fan here.

You guys were the victim of the worst reffing I’ve seen in a while. It was blatantly horrible.

honor rasheed wallace

by Cablinasian on Dec 26, 2008 2:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

haven't you seen

bsoton vs l*kers??? that was horrible as well. but now, watching this game too… well, let’s jsut say that the refs don’t prefer the wizards.

Once upon a time the Suns got out on the break... and along came Steve sucKerr

by Murcy on Dec 26, 2008 11:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

7 FTs??? Officials obviously gift wrapped this one for King James and his Court

At least we made it a game… and at least it was made clear why Mike James was brought in as a legitimate offensive threat.

The first one now will later be last….

by khrabb on Dec 26, 2008 6:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah, bad officiating and mike james

The officiating was crap.

Mike James played great. I can see him bringing something to the table that the other two before him – Daniels and Dixon – weren’t able to.

Perhaps even more so I was impressed by the play of McGuire. His defense, rebounding and court awareness (7 assists and 0 turnovers in 36 mins?!?) are all strengths that the Wizards sorely need. I can imagine a starting lineup next year of Arenas, Butler, McGuire, Jamison and Haywood. 3 scorers and 2 standout defenders. Not a bad balance.

That said, it’s fair to ask whether it’s smart to put Butler at the 2 long-term.

by Johnnie Futbol on Dec 26, 2008 9:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m firmly in the camp that thinks you guys deserved this one more than the Cavaliers. The officiating definitely did not do the Wiz any favors. Butler had a rough game, and to be that close is quite a gut punch.

Mike James was a huge addition, and I hope that if/when Arenas comes back, you guys can still find a way to keep him on the floor.

http://www.waitingfornextyear.com

by scottsargent on Dec 26, 2008 6:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, thanks

I appreciate the words. Seriously. Last year’s series was pretty nasty, yet relations between BF and WFNY were always cordial. You guys really are class acts.

I probably opened up the floodgates by starting this thread, so my fault on that.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 26, 2008 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish Santa had brought us a point guard

I don’t see how the Wizards can improve with Mike James as their starting point guard. They really need someone who can set up the other players, especially the young guys, for good shots and easy buckets.
Mike James makes Gilbert look like Chris Paul.

by antawnjameson on Dec 26, 2008 7:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mike James was by far the best available deal we could have gotten...

You can make a case for someone like T Lue as a stopgap “traditional” point guard but it still begs the scoring question… The Wizards are constructed such that their point guard needs to be a primary scorer as well as a set up man (i.e. Gilbert Arenas). Mike James is not Gilbert Arenas by any stretch, but he brings similar strengths to the team. Plus if he keeps producing numbers like last night, he becomes a reasonably valuable trading chip once Arenas returns

by khrabb on Dec 26, 2008 10:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bad Officiating..

Last night game was totally horrible, as well as the LA & Boston game.
League present thier GIFT’s to LeBron & Kobe infront of National TV audience..
happy Holidays everyone..

by spoiled on Dec 26, 2008 11:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

But hey

If the Wiz had won, they couldn’t have released all that “chalk” from the ceiling at the end! Let’s sell some shoes!!!!!!!

One of the worst officiated games I’ve seen in an incredibly long time.

McGuire needs to keep playing. And, if he plays like that, so does Mike James. But McGee NEEDS minutes, that was ridiculous.

If only we could trade Taser for one day and have him put up 30 on us off their bench before we got him back...

by Juice over Whine on Dec 26, 2008 12:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tapscott

You’re Ed Tapscott. You’re not staying around. The team blows. And you get the rare opportunity to respond to one of the worst officiated games in televised history (3 horrible calls; the last charge on Butler was actually a reasonable call, except for the fact that it was in that minute).

And you shake hands and slink off. Business as usual.

The game was stolen, but if you don’t really even object to the burglar, I don’t have any real sympathy for you.

by Jeff Ruland on Dec 26, 2008 1:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What's he supposed to do?

They levy major fines for the slightest mention of bad officiating. He did the implication-two-step and moved on.

This must be what basketball was like in Orwell’s 1984.

by MR on Dec 26, 2008 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Get Fined

Or even express displeasure. Instead, it’s blank resignation. Antawn showed some fire on the first charge call, and then, when he saw the ship going down, and he got the cheap offensive to foul out, he just walked off, resigned. Other coaches get fined.

by Jeff Ruland on Dec 26, 2008 2:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Postscript

And this wasn’t run-of-the-mill bad officiating, by the way. This wasn’t one bad call.

This was end of the game, horrific, home-job f*** all. A once in a year or even 3 screw-job.

A decent coach would have been just batshit enough not to get a T and then he would have taken a fine.

by Jeff Ruland on Dec 26, 2008 2:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Like who?

Phil Jackson? He complains sometimes, but otherwise, who does it?

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 26, 2008 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who?

First of all, presume no one ever did it before. So what? The circumstances that occurred yesterday warrant it.

Second, Theus just got tagged in November for $10k. Off my head, I know Pat Riley, Isaiah Thomas, Van Gundy and even Eddie Jordan have taken fines for bitching about the officiating. And Larry Brown used to get fined a lot.

Third, has there ever been a team in the history of the NBA as lacking of fire and docile as the Wiz? No. They are meek, sheeplike, with pleasant people and soft, caring big men.

So even after a complete hosing, they shrug. And their coach just ho hums.

by Jeff Ruland on Dec 26, 2008 3:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Click reply

You’re making a tenuous connection between being fined and being soft. Eddie Jordan, Reggie Theus and Isiah Thomas’ teams weren’t exactly tough either. What exactly has bitching about officials done to help their teams?

This isn’t a playoff series, where that stuff definitely works.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 26, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You asked

I gave you the info on fines for coaches when they bitch about officiating when you acted as if they never occurred.

And there is a connection. if you lead a team and they just figure that getting screwed is part of the deal, then they’ll get even softer. There is an advnatage to expressing that, you know, you actually give a sh**.

Though in the case of the Wiz, I don’t think being softer is a possibility.

by Jeff Ruland on Dec 26, 2008 3:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Click reply

I’m not going to ask you again. You’re making the conversation impossible to read. The reply button is right there. You’re new so I understand you messing it up once, but please don’t do it again.

And I really don’t think you can assume what you’re assuming. You could just as easily say that, if the coach gives excuses, the players will constantly give excuses as well. You can’t control officiating. You can control your own play.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 26, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All well and good

But my point was simple.

Taking it and eating it and being blase’ about it is not what this team needs, anymore than it needs a fan who is so dispirited that they’d prefer to have been blown out rather than in a tight game.

So, being that the Wiz are soft, they were robbed, and other coaches have actually taken a $50k hit to say it (and frankly, I’d be happy if Tapscott even made a menacing gesture), I think some objection would be good for the team. Certainly, other coaches do object.

But if you think even that is too much, that’s fine as well, though it reeks of a basketball version of Stockholm Syndrome.

And yes, there are always possibilities that acting like you care may create a reverse-“Why should I care if he cares for me?” ethos. Of course, an ebola outrbreak at center court is also always a possibility.

by Jeff Ruland on Dec 26, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That did not look like a team that is giving in

I think what you want to see is a team that loses control. I think that is what the Wiz are fighting to avoid.

by MR on Dec 26, 2008 8:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good sports

is controlled aggression. The Wizards are 4 and a billion. And a primary failure has been a lack of toughness, a slide into ho-hummery and acceptance. And they got hosed in historic fashion – 3 straight atrocious calls.

If getting angry at a ref during a game that is being stolen – or eating a $5k fine after the theft – is “losing control,” then again, I fear that in our abyss of crapitude, some are making a dangerous fetish of “taking the high road” or “not shifting blame from the players” which has the whiff of Alec Guiness’ objective in The Bridge on the River Kwai.

Instead, the only fines we get are when one of our soft centers powder puffs our other soft center in practice.

by Jeff Ruland on Dec 27, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cut the tough guy talk

All the tough talk in the world isn’t going to bring Brendan Haywood back. This team is lacking size, not toughness.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 27, 2008 7:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hilarious

Is it your contention that the “toughness” in the Wizards is provided by Brenda Haywood?

Fascinating.

The team is hands down one of the worst defensive teams in the league — one of the worst rebounding teams in the league (25 out of 30), only 4 teams average fewer blocks, and they never met a hard foul they liked. They are near the last in technical fouls, which is a testament to their professionalism and restraint. Yea.

If only Haywood were back and the spine would return.

Ha ha!

by Jeff Ruland on Dec 28, 2008 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bad at defense and not being "tough" are two different things

And I really don’t want to give the requisite Brendan Haywood is ridiculously underrated talk. Scroll through the archives, talk to long-time posters, etc.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 28, 2008 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And I'd prefer not to hear it

As funny as it may be.

And yes, good defense and rebounding are the heart of toughness.

(at least to those who don’t feel that Brenda is underrated)

by Jeff Ruland on Dec 28, 2008 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Open-mindedness

It’s a remarkable trait.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 28, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And you're confusing cause and effect

Getting better defensively make you tougher, at least by the common abstract buzzy definition of the term. Getting tougher does not necessarily make you better defensively. All it does is make you foul more. Just ask the Utah Jazz.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 28, 2008 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm certainly confused

by your unnecessary rhetoric /Mister Wizard approach to denying simple truths, such as

  • The Wizards play bad D and poorly rebound
  • Good D and strong rebounding are hallmarks of toughness
  • Brendan Haywood is soft and his absence only hurts the team in that as one of a gooey pile of marshmallows, he is a little larger (taking up space) and slightly less gooey
  • Fouling is not always good, unless you foul hard and foul in the context of playing tough D/aggressively rebounding

I recognize you disagree with truth 3 and as loathe as your are to explain the virtues of Haywood, I’m loathe to hear them; thus, I’m happy to abide by your “mum’s the word” on the subject.

by Jeff Ruland on Dec 28, 2008 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The "simple truths" are not what you think

Nobody denies number one (though the major problem with our defense is that we give up too many high-percentage shots, not rebounding. Our effective field goal percentage defense ranks in the last five years: 25th, 24th28th, 27th, 30th . We give up too many open shots because we place way too much emphasis on protecting the paint and sagging off the weakside.). The denial is that number one and number two are one in the same, as you seem to believe.

More accurately, you’re just proving my point. From what it sounded like, you wanted to fix number 2 before you fix number one. You made it sound like, if the team visibly cared, argued with officials more, made public statements and delivered hard fouls, we’d be all better. What I’m saying (and admittedly didn’t articulate until the end) is that everything with number 2 is a matter of perception, whereas everything in number one directly correlates. If you fix stuff that directly correlates to success, then everything in number two will come. You want to be tougher? Play better defense. That doesn’t mean commit hard fouls, look meaner and throw elbows. That’s not going to fix anything. Etan Thomas does all of that and he’s absolutely awful defensively.

We should aim to be a better defensive team. We should not aim to look like a better defensive team. The second does not necessarily cause the first.

That all ties into Haywood. The perception is that Brendan Haywood is soft and he plays beneath his size. The reality is that Haywood is an incredibly smart defender that knows exactly how to use his length to alter shots (which doesn’t show up in the stat sheet) and knows how to use his body to clear space so someone like Jamison doesn’t have to shed as many bodies to grab rebounds (which also doesn’t show up in the stat sheet). For more on Haywood, read this comment. The summary: Haywood’s presence on the court alone has been the difference between a close-to-league-average unit and the worst unit in the league.

Look, I don’t expect you to agree with everything I say. I just ask that you listen and consider some nuance in your supposed truths. Nothing is black and white.

And yes, I realize I fueled the fire with some sarcastic responses. For that, I apologize.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 28, 2008 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sarcasm appreciated

So don’t sweat it.

I want to fix 1. 2, as you say, will follow as a component of 1.

Question? Can you be a strong defending/tough rebounding team and not be tough? I feel we’re niggling over semantics on that issue so I thought I’d throw that question out.

That does leave, however, my earlier claims about eating a theft silently (as occurred with Cleveland) and hard fouls/technicals, which I do believe are indicia of a team that gives a sh**. Now, with Tapscott at the helm, perhaps the Wiz don’t and are happy just to coast to the lottery. But if we’re on the same page of at least trying, fine. Part of that equation is hard fouls and objecting when you get monumentally jobbed.

And accepting hard truths about personnel.

I concede that Haywood on this team has value. But that is “on this team.” And most big galoots can alter shots. He rebounds poorly, he blocks fewer shots than he should, offensively, he is meek (I’ve read you enough to know that your teeth are gritted the same as mine when you see him use his soft hands to put a ball in when simply stuffing it would do) and he does not develop (a player with his tenure has no excuse putting the ball on the floor after a rebound – he’s too slow) and perhaps most egregiously, he does not get his hands dirty – last year, in over half his games, he committed 2 fouls or less.

For 18 – 22 points and 9-12 boards (Gasol, Yao, Stoudemire), okay. Don’t foul. Don’t be as physical a presence on D and stay in the damn game (though Yao and Stoudemire still out foul Haywood).

But for 10 points and 7 boards a game, you can’t afford Ginger Milquetoast as your center. Of the centers in Haywood’s class (Chandler, Bogut, Horford, Biedrins, Okafor, Dalembert, Bynum, Hilario – the 12 and 8 crowd), he scores and rebounds in the lower range and he fouls the least. Jaysus – he fouls less than Ilgauskas.

by Jeff Ruland on Dec 28, 2008 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand why you are caught up on fouling

Fouling is bad. At best, it gives a team another crack at a possession, which are precious in this game. The name of the game is doing more in your possessions than your opponent does. Fouling helps them get more in their possessions. At worst, it puts your opponent on the free throw line, which not only gives them free points, but also allows them to dictate tempo, dictate their personnel, give their guys rest, etc. It causes your valuable guys to leave the game or alter their game because they don’t want to leave the game. If Brendan Haywood were to foul more, he would play less, which means more of guys who are way worse defensively than Haywood.

Good defenses don’t foul. San Antonio has been the best in the game for years mostly because they do their job without fouling. Of the top ten teams in defensive efficiency last year (points allowed/100 possessions rather than raw points per game), only three (Boston, Detroit, Dallas) were in the bottom half of the league in free throws surrendered per shot attempt (aka your free throw attempts divided by your field goal attempts, times 100). There can be value in fouling, yes, but only if you’re already good at the other parts of defense. Otherwise, you look like we did in the playoffs against Cleveland last year, when we needlessly hacked the crap out of LeBron instead of trying to, you know, actually work on stopping him.

And I don’t really care about Brendan’s individual numbers. Mountains of evidence from zillions of years (slight exaggeration on both) point to the same conclusion: the team defends and rebounds better with Haywood on the court. And that’s really all that matters, isn’t it?

As to the question of strong defense/rebounding without being tough, my point is that strong defense/rebounding teams get labeled with being “tough” anyway. Why focus specifically on being “tough” when your schematic improvements will change the perception of your team. I don’t want our guys working on fouling harder and screaming more, I want them to work on defensive positioning, on not over-helping and simultaneously leaving themselves out of position, on fighting through ball screens, on not ball-watching on the weakside, etc. etc. Number two is all about perception. The goal is to change reality so that perception then changes.

(Also, either I’m really bad at getting across my viewpoint or you aren’t reading me well, because I’m not sure where you’re reading me get annoyed with Haywood. That whole graph sounded like you were describing Etan Thomas).

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 28, 2008 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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