Trade for Samuel Dalembert
by cuppettcj on Dec 19, 2008 11:50 AM EST
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Print[Edit, 12/19/08 11:45 AM EST] I just realized that my first trade idea of NY, OPech, and Etan for Dalembert would put us into the luxury tax. I think the trade would also be accepted by Ed Stefanski if we substituted DeShawn Stevenson instead of OPech. That would free up $1.5 million below the luxury threshold, enabling us to resign Dee Brown to shore up our depleted back court until Gilbert returns. It would also force ET to play Crittenton more, which I also like.
Samuel Dalembert has had a bad season so far, and his stock has fallen immensely. Now that Elton Brand has gone down with an injury, Rich Hofmann of the Philadelphia Daily News has this strategy to consider:
Except that there is something that can be accomplished in Brand's absence.
Call it Operation Sammy.
The goal should be two-fold: to get Samuel Dalembert out of the funk into which he has sunk this season, and then to trade him for the shooter that this team needs so badly.
Sammy is big. Sammy can run. Sammy can rebound. When whatever weight of the world that rests upon his shoulders is lifted, he gives you something. For an outsider looking in, he has a couple of the unteachables -- big, fast -- and he can resemble a nice piece in a rotation. Weighed down, like this season, he is a waste of playing time. But get him going, galloping, excited again, and you've got something.
If anybody has been reading my posts, especially lately, then they'll know that I think Samuel Dalembert is exactly the type of player the Wizards need to return to respectability. He won't score a lot of points and he won't wow you with anything, but he's a solid defender who can hustle, rebound, block shots, and make things difficult on opposing teams' penetrators. He can be our best option at center until Brendan comes back. When Brendan does come back, he can give us a solid 15-25 mpg while Brendan takes his rest.
So what could we offer that 76ers GM Ed Stefanski might like? Well, salary relief, for starters. Dalembert currently makes $10.5 million per season, which is a ton of money for a guy who is perceived to be a below average center. (Notice the word perceived. I think his numbers per 36 minutes stack up very nicely to say a Brendan Haywood, with the differences being that Haywood scores a bit better but Dalembert is a bit better on the boards.) Dalembert's salary runs through the 2010-11 season, increasing to $12.2 million, which hampers their ability to compete in the big free agent sweepstakes before that season. By breaking that salary into smaller chunks, and having some of those chunks expire before 2010-11, would give Stefanski more flexibility to add bigger and better free agents.
Also, it is clear that the 76ers are looking for a scorer, so we are going to have to make a sacrifice in order to get this trade done. I know many of you are going to immediately object when you see this name, but please bear with me. I think we need to offer them a package centered around Nick Young. Specifically - Nick Young, Etan Thomas, and Oleksiy Pecherov.
Now, I am not a Nick Young hater. Quite the opposite. I think he could one day develop into a very prolific scorer in this league. But the 76ers aren't just going to give Dalembert away, and the only other players I would be willing to offer are just garbage. Nick Young gives Stefanski a potential scoring machine, along with a scoring center in OPech (who hopefully still has some potential left) and some dead weight he can drop next season in Etan.
Are we getting enough in return for this sacrifice? Well, that depends on how much you value depth and defense. Dalembert's effect on a game doesn't always show up clearly in the boxscore, but like Brendan, I think his presence will vastly improve our terrible defense. Even when Brendan was fully healthy, he is only capable of averaging 28 mpg. That leaves an average of 20 mpg at center that needs to be filled by somebody. I happen to think that this would make the Wizards a much better team.
I get the feeling, though, that many here probably won't like it. Fire away.
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I won't even elaborate on that except
He stinks, his contract is too big, he won’t help us win a championship, and I wouldn’t even trade him for Nick Young straight up.
Getting Rid of Etan
Is better than simply trading Dalembert for Nick Young straight up.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
I Don't Think Dalembert Stinks, BTW
Dalembert’s Per 36 Minute Numbers:
Points: 8.3
Rebounds: 11.7
Blocks: 1.9
Compare that with Brendan’s from last season:
Points: 13.7
Rebounds: 9.3
Blocks: 2.1
As I said in my post, Brendan is the better scorer, but Dalembert is the better rebounder. They both block equally well. Brendan is still the better player, but we could really use Dalembert for 20-25 minutes a game.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Exactly
More value than Dalembert brings to the Wizards.
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You Don't Know That
More value than Dalembert brings to the Wizards.
An expiring contract is only worth as much as the player it can bring in. You always assume that our expiring contracts are going to get us a guy like LeBron James, but it doesn’t work like that. With our reputation for losing, we’ll be lucky to get half the player, regardless of how much cash we throw at him.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
If the cavs were losing
and the cavs wanted to become apart of the lebron james free agent bananza in 2010, then they’d trade us lebron james!!!!
LOL
The only way the Cavs can keep LeBron James is if they trade him to us! Then he’ll become infected by the Curse of Les Bullez, blow out his knee, and come back as half the player he was for the last few games of the 2009-10 season. Then the Cavs can sign him for the MLE.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
nonono
you don’t know how it works. We’d have to give him a max contract after he blew out his knee. That’s how it would go down.
Oh Yeah, I Forgot
But at least we’ll have his expiring contract to deal some day. That will be worth a lot.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Question
If you’re bringing in Dalembert, then what do you do with Haywood when he comes back? I’m not trying to be cynical or anything, I’m just curious.
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If him and haywood split minutes (which we know won't work, see etan thomas)
what happens to Javale’s minutes?
JaVale Will Still Get His
I think JaVale can be used in both PF and C substitutions, depending on the matchup. Ideally, he would only be used 5-10 mpg anyway, until someone teaches him how to defend players in the NBA. I love his potential and his production has been a surprise, but he still has a lot to learn and picks up fouls way too quickly, which is another reason to have more depth at center.
If him and haywood split minutes (which we know won’t work, see etan thomas)
Completely disagree with that statement. The problem with Etan/Brendan had nothing to do with splitting minutes. It had to do with the power struggle for the starting spot (that EJ helped to generate) and the fact that those two guys hated each other. Even with Etan hurt the entire season last year, Brendan still only averaged 28 mpg. Somebody has to be splitting minutes with Brendan. As long as he is the unequivocal starter, I don’t think he’ll have a problem with Dalembert subbing for him.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Ok now
Where do Blatche and Songaila fit into all of this as far as their minutes are concerned when Haywood comes back? It would be pretty crowded at the PF and C positions. You would have Jamison, Blatche, McGee, Haywood, Songaila, Dalembert who are all productive players who need minutes.
Jamison and Songaila Can Also Play SF in Big Lineups
Songaila subbed for an injured Caron last season and played well. Jamison has been used at SF this season and we had pretty good results. But mainly, it would be like this:
C: Haywood, Dalembert, McGee
PF: Jamsion, Blatche, Songaila
As I said before, I don’t think McGee should be getting major minutes yet, ideally. He simply cannot defend people. And Songaila can pick up minutes at SF here and there and, depending on the matchup and who has the hot hand, sometimes be the first sub in for Antawn.
Yes, we will be full of bigs. But considering how we are getting destroyed in the paint and on second chance points this season, I happen to think that this will be a good problem to have.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
I dont think
that Songaila can play SF. Last year in the games he started when Caron was injured he started at PF and Jamison started at SF. Songaila does he best defensive work when guarding post players (see Dwight Howard, Rasheed Wallace). I dont think there is a SF in this league that he can effectively guard. Luckily D-mac is steadily turing into a great wing defender.
But Then
Songaila could still get the minutes, either way. He would sub for Caron, and Antawn would slide into Caron’s spot and Songaila would assume the duties of guarding the other team’s PF. Probably better for the team that way. On offense, PFs and SFs are interchangeable with the Princeton. On defense, Songaila could defend the PF much better than Antawn. Antawn can’t defend SFs, but he can’t defend PFs either, so that is a wash and probably why it worked so well last season.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Until Haywood says...
This bum is almost making twice as much as me and I’m the starter?
I want more money….NOW.
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Please
Brendan has been making less than Etan his entire career, almost. Has he held out once? In two seasons, he’ll ask for Dalembert money, and Dalembert would be content with less than Brendan money. This is a complete non-factor.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Well...
I was being a little bit facetious……
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by Kyle Weidie on Dec 19, 2008 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Fair Enough
And I was being a little bit bitter. Can you tell that I watched the game tonight?
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
When Haywood Comes Back
I thought I answered that in my post, but I’ll try again.
When Haywood comes back (either late this season or next) we will have two big, defensive-minded, rebounding machines that can block and alter shots as well as cleanup the boards for an entire 48 minutes. If someone says that this is redundant then I don’t think they are valuing depth as much as they should. Was Luc Longley redundant to Will Perdue on the Bulls championship teams? Why then did they also have Bill Wennington? Could it be that those 18 fouls came in handy when having to guard dominant centers in the league? If the Wizards are going to compete for a championship, they need more bigs than just Haywood. And Blatche and McGee are both at least 20 pounds away from being legitimate bigs. They can’t guard anybody because they are too weak. If they were competent at defending and rebounding, we woudn’t be giving up tons of paint points and offensive rebounds to every team we play. That won’t be a problem with Dalembert. He’ll be another enforcer.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Ahh I missed that
My reading skills go down between semesters.
My gut feeling is that if I saw another team make a move like this I’d probably say “panic move” but I see where you’re coming from. I think Nick Young might be a little too much to give up and I think we’d be paying him way too much for 15-25 minutes a game once Brendan returns, but I see your side of it as well. Bigs are always going to be overpaid because it’s a lot easier to find a competent 6 foot guard than it is to find a competent 7 foot center, so overpaying a center isn’t the worst crime in the world, but I’d rather make the move when we’re closer (which is to say, closer than we are now) to being a championship contender. Until then, why not give JaVale and Andray (okay, probably just JaVale) some time to beef up and become the big men that can help us reach championship contender status?
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by Jake Whitacre on Dec 19, 2008 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
That's the Other Idea
Until then, why not give JaVale and Andray (okay, probably just JaVale) some time to beef up and become the big men that can help us reach championship contender status?
I see your point, but here is what I’m afraid of. When Brendan comes back, assuming Arenas is already back, the Wizards will start winning a lot of games again and everyone will think all is well and Ernie won’t be inclined to make any more moves. That is until we meet a team like Orlando, Cleveland, or Boston in the playoffs. Then we’ll see the same problems that have plagued our team for the past four seasons.
Those teams have a lot of bigs that will get Brendan in foul trouble early in the game. Once Brendan goes to the bench, those teams will then pound the rock inside and push our stick boy centers around like rag dolls. You’ll see Buck and Phil start complaining about “second chance points” and “points in the paint”. They will then imply that the problem is merely one of concentration, but I’ll know better. I’ll know that you can’t teach height and weight. And with our current crop of “bigs”, we don’t have enough of either to muscle our way to a championship.
Because championships are almost always “muscled” to. They are very rarely, if ever, “finessed” to.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
I Didn't Fully Address Your Point
As to my faith in Blatche or McGee “beefing” up in due time, I suppose I just don’t have much of it. Blatche is now 22 and he still hasn’t beefed up, thanks to his weight lifting regimen (or lack thereof). McGee is soooo skinny and sooo young, it will be years before he can hold his own in the blocks against the likes of Dwight Howard, and I just don’t think the Wizards championship window is that wide, considering the age of Jamison.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Consider this though
<I just don’t think the Wizards championshp window is that wide, considering the age of Jamison.>
Well if this season turns out to be horrible enough, we could draft or trade for and then develop Antawn’s replacement down the road. If that person can come close to being as productive as AJ is than that automatically opens our window up a little more.
Very True
Especially if we can draft someone like Blake Griffin. But he’ll be the first person off the board, most likely. So if we are not lucky (how could we be, we are Les Bullez!), then we’ll be stuck drafting someone like James Harden. As far as free agency goes, not too many big, defensive 7 footers are available.
On the other hand, if we trade for Dalembert this season, then our gaping hole in the paint will be filled, and we can take a guy like Rubio or Harden in the draft to shore up our backcourt even more. That, plus not having to watch Stevenson brick hundreds of more jump shots, makes this deal very appealing to me.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
If we did that trade now
We would have like no backcourt at all. Dixon, James, and Crittenton as our only backcourt players would be ridiculous. Even when Arenas returns it would still be very thin.
Well, I guess some good comes out of that. ET would be forced to go big a lot.
We Save $1.5 Million
And we immediately resign Dee Brown. That will give us four guards for a month until Gil comes back, then we’ll have five. Come the trade deadline, we can deal Mike James and his expiring contract for a better, cheaper guard or we keep him and draft a James Harden or a Stephen Curry.
Well, I guess some good comes out of that. ET would be forced to go big a lot.
Thank you.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
No thanks.
Too much to give up for a backup center whose main value is to patch things up in a mostly lost year.
I Think He Would Be Big For Us Next Season Too
Even with all of our guys healthy, we still can’t compete because of lack of defense, toughness, and rebounding. You can’t solve that by wishing for it. You have to go out and get players who can tough it out in the paint. Only Brendan gives that for us. We need more players like him at either the C or PF spots. Until then, we are always going to be behind the Boston’s, Cleveland’s, and Orlando’s of the league.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
I actually like this deal
because if there is one thing that Sammy can do is board and block. He also would ease the need for our other guys to play good D…..
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Thank You!
I’m no longer standing on an island. I don’t think we’ll have much more company, however.
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No man is an island...but the two of you are.
Isn’t this kind of blowing much of our expiring contracts wad for not a lot? Plus giving up a very good prospect.
I think the pickin’s will get sweeter down the road.
by MR on Dec 19, 2008 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
see I disagree
I think we are really overvaluing NY. He might be a pretty good player, but he certainly hasn’t stacked up as well against other from his rookie class….
I do see the point about the contracts though, which would lead me to ask who you would propose trading those contracts for….I haven’t seen many free agents display interest in the Wiz…
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Yeah, I'm Sure the Mega Stars Will Be Lining Up
To join a losing franchise in a city that can do nothing but lose. Maybe we can get Michael Jordan to come out of retirement one more time?
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
I can't believe you guys miss the value of "Expiring Contracts"
Unless a player has a “NO Trade clause” (of which there are VERY few) – they have NO SAY as to where they may or may not be traded…
The Wizards will have $20 Million in Expiring contracts ($13 Million if you want to keep Haywood) – Those contracts, along with a young player with upside (Young, McGee, Blatche, etc…) could bring an All-Star type player to the Wizards – especially if Ernie is dealing with a team that wants to get into the 2010 Free Agent market.
Those expiring contracts have NOTHING to do with the WIZARDS pursuing Free Agents….. and EVERYTHING to do with GM’s on other teams wanting to improve their chances at landing a big name FA in 2010.
The longer Ernie waits, the more valuable those expiring contracts become. By the Trade Deadline next year (2009), there will be a number of GM’s that look at their roster and see that they can’t compete – they’ll be willing to deal Veteran Talent (perhaps even All-Star quality talent) -for the chance of landing DWade, LeBron, Nowitzski, Bosh, or any number of other first rate FA’s.
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Again
I strongly recommend everyone read Prada’s excellent post about the potential trades the Wizards could pull off with those “Expiring Contracts”…
http://www.bulletsforever.com/2008/7/31/583970/eyeing-the-prize-nine-pote
(just be sure to substitute Mike James, whenever you see Antonio Daniels’ name)
You’ll see that Prada is not talking about guys like Pachulia and Dalembert….. but very talented Veteran players that could put the Wizards over the top.
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As I said just above
Isn’t this kind of blowing much of our expiring contracts wad for not a lot? Plus giving up a very good prospect.
I think the pickin’s will get sweeter down the road.
by MR on Dec 20, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Put who over where?
Have you seen the state of this roster?
In the East, where all the teams are improving except for the Wizards? With our star PG who has had THREE knee surgeries?
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Almost All of the Guys Mentioned...
… are way too small to help the Wizards defend the paint. The ones who aren’t (Brad Miller, Andrei Kirilenko, Emeka Okafor) are even more expensive than Dalembert.
That being said, I would love to have either those three guys, if their teams would be willing to let them go for our expiring contract garbage. Yet I think Dalembert is much more realistic for us to acquire, which is why I suggested him.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
I think I stated in that first post by Prada (the one that Rook mentioned)
why would a team like the Hawks be willing to take our garbage for Joe Johnson, or AK47? (I especially hate the Joe Johnson trade because if Gil does get healthy, who gets the shots?)
To make any of those trade a possibility we would need a cheap youngster with an incredibly high ceiling, and I don’t think anyone on our roster (even JaVale) is enticing enough for another team to bite…
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Agreed
But hey, if we can make a deal like that, I’d be all for it. I just don’t think we are going to be that lucky. We’ll see, I guess.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Talking About the Bigs
Of course. I would not want to deal for Joe Johnson either.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
I should also state
that Prada made the fair point that these trades do happen fairly often.
The point that I didn’t make in that original post which I will make now is that often these trades can come with a qualifier
Artest got traded for peanuts because he is a headcase.
Webber got traded because he broken down and it was a roll of the dice.
Bibby was traded because he too was becoming disgruntled and showing signs of wear and tear.
The Garnett trade still wasnt the steal that everyone thinks it is, Al Jefferson is pretty damn good.
I don’t think we should sit around and pray for a Gasol miracle. Afterall, if Chris Ford was going to be moronic twice in a row, he could have thrown in OJ Mayo or Rudy Gay instead of Crittendon.
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Um, no
Too pricey. Too many years. Too little upside. Too crappy of a player recently.
Why are we paying Jamison money for a backup center when we can get one for the MLE?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I'm Open For Other Suggestions
Why are we paying Jamison money for a backup center when we can get one for the MLE?
If you know another 7 footer who can rebound, block and alter shots, and play solid defense who is willing to come to Washington for the MLE, I’m all ears. Let’s just go pick one of those guys off the defensive big tree, no need to take any chances or anything.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Let's see, the current MLE is $5.585
I’m wondering what Wilcox will be worth….probably more than the MLE. But he’s unrestricted….making $6,750,000 this year, doubt he takes a pay cut…..but he might be willing to in order to get out of OKC.
Zaza Pachulia is also unrestricted….making $4 million this year.
Jeff Foster anyone? He’s making $5.5 million this year.
Other unrestricted FA-to-be Bigs: (not many standouts)
Joe Smith, Thunder
Stromile Swift, Nets
Robert Swift, Thunder
Rasho Nesterovic, Pacers
Chris Mihm, Lakers
Jason Collins, Timberwolves
Jarron Collins, Jazz.
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by Kyle Weidie on Dec 19, 2008 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
I Like Zaza Pachulia
He has very similar numbers to Dalembert per 36 minutes, only without shot blocking. I think he’s worth the MLE, but will someone give him more?
Wilcox can score but isn’t that great of a rebounder or shot blocker. I’m not sure about his defense. I think I would rather have Dalembert.
Jeff Foster looks alright. I’d definitely take him with the MLE.
Joe Smith? Is he still alive?
Stromile Swift – too small, would rather play Songaila at the PF than him
Robert Swift – not bad per-36 numbers, but very little playing time, diamond in the rough?
Rasho Nesterovic – good scorer, not so good rebounder, but a good passer! He’d be perfect for the Princeton. Of course, the new coach may not play the Princeton, so never mind.
Chris Mihm – per 36 numbers look very similar to Nesterovic above.
Jason Collins – nothing impresses me with his numbers, looks more like a vet minimum guy than an MLE guy.
Jarron Collins – not much difference between the two J. Collins’s.
All in all, I suppose Pachulia or Foster would be good pickups. I’m not too enthralled with anybody else.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Sure
Nick Young had a decent game, although he missed his last four shots to finish 5-10. But what about last night’s game, when he went 0-4? What about the game before the Philly game, where he went 1-9 in Detroit? Or the game against Boston, where he went 0-4 in 18 minutes of play? What about the back-to-back games versus Miami and Atlanta last month, when he went 4-12 in both games?
This is the problem with a lot of us Wizards fans, we look at our prospects through rose-colored glasses and we continue to be enamored by potential rather by realistic assessment. Nick Young may one day develop into a great player, but there is no guarantee and right now the only thing consistent about his game has been his inconsistency. His biggest asset is still his potential, not his production. This season has seen Nick Young’s effective FG% drop to .447, his TS% drop to .509. He has gotten better in other areas, and he is our best hope at SG, but I see no reason to make him untouchable in trades if we can fill a major need.
If I felt we were several seasons away from contending, then by all means I would support keeping Nick Young and hope he can continue to develop. But I sincerely believe that with Arenas, Brendan, and one more legitimate big, we can compete next season. (I would say this season but we are too far out before we get Arenas back, and even he can’t make turn things around that much until we get Brendan back.)
Sure, Dalembert has struggled lately, but most of that has been on the offensive end. We don’t need another scorer. When we get Arenas back next month, we’ll have plenty, especially if we can get rid of DeShawn in the process, who makes the Wizards shooting much worse than it would be otherwise. Defensively, Dalembert is still the same as he has always been. He still mops the boards (11.7 rebounds per 36m) and blocks shots (2.0 per 36m). Late in games, when the Wizards are still very close, he can be the one who secures defensive stops that help us win.
But hey, if you think we can get someone with his size and strength, but plays better and makes less money, then I’m all for it.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
NY
also needs another shot than a fadeaway. And if he is a “shooter” than he needs to make his shots more consistently. I think it is telling that the Wiz signed Dixon to be that “instant offense” when that was the role that Young is supposed to play. Where does that leave Young – his defense still stinks – and he hasn’t displayed a ton of court vision.
I know we all love Taser and Blatche and the rest of the young guys, but they are NOT that good. When we mention these players on the board in the same sentence as Louis Williams and Thaddeus Young we look silly. They are not the same. Period.
I would rather have an accomplished interior presence now and gamble on drafting a gunner. Dell Curry’s kid is just one example.
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Good Point
Good point about getting a legitimate interior presence through trade, instead of the draft, because it looks like most of the best players in this year’s draft are guards. I would rather take a chance on a James Harden or a Stephen Curry than a Hasheem Thabeet or a Jordan Hill. If we get the #1 pick, then I still support taking Blake Griffin, but that assumes we will win the lottery. With the Curse of Les Bullez, I doubt that would happen.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Thad Young is awesome
None of our young’ins are as good as him. But Lou Williams? The same Lou Williams that currently sports a 49.7 true shooting percentage while using 30 percent of his team’s possessions (that’s Arenas in 07 territory)? What makes Lou Williams significantly better than Nick Young?
And Blatche is quite good right now. His rebounding has fallen off, but how many players his size possess the array of skills he does? And he’s improved every single year, including this year after his terribly slow start. There aren’t too many 22 and under young bigs I’d rather have than Blatche. Off the top of my head, there’s Al Horford, Andris Biedrins, Andrew Bynum, Michael Beasley, Dwight Howard and Greg Oden as slam dunks, but Blatche is right there on the same level as guys like Kevin Love, Brook Lopez, Marreese Speights, Spencer Hawes and Jason Thompson. Those guys all have value. Not an untouchable, but certainly a good player.
And how many guys offer more potential than JaVale McGee right now?
Are they untouchables? No. But don’t tell me they offer no value at all in any way, shape or form.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
But Prada
According to basketball-reference, NY’s PER is lower as well as EFG% in comparable seasons. And Sweet Lou is 22 now, NY is 23 so shouldn’t NY be further along in development?
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and for the same price as NY
you could a Rodney Stuckey. I guess the point that I’m agreeing with cup on is that slick shooting (or aberrant shooting) guards that can’t play defense can be had ALL the time. We got torched by a Pargo in the playoffs with the Bulls. However, if we are thinking of making definitive changes to the team, it might not be such a bad idea to trade a quantity of which we know from historic evidence there is an abundance, for something that is harder to develop and draftt…..
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I'm not saying Nick's untouchable
I’m saying he doesn’t suck.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
I'll try another one just to see if my hyothesis works
Nick Young and Etan Thomas to the Clippers
Chris Kaman to the Wizards
(Note – this trade could also happen next year when Etan has more value)
Why it works…
Well Sterling is cheap, might want to clear cap space to appease Baron, and already has Camby who is under a trade restriction.
What it gets us – it allows us to have a center this year, and a nicely priced trade chip for the future. It immediately improves our interior D. JaVale’s development would be curtailed, but one could always parlay Haywood or Kaman into another package to address further weaknesses.
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Sidenote
JaVale’s development would be curtailed, but one could always parlay Haywood or Kaman into another package to address further weaknesses.
Why has nobody considered allowing JaVale to sidestep a potential logjam at center by playing him at PF? Usually centers play PF poorly because they are typically slow and lumbering and can’t keep up with the more athletic PFs in the league. But JaVale is very athletic and very quick. Why wouldn’t this work? It would allow the Wizards to still develop him while acquiring a serviceable backup center at the same time.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
don't think
out of the box. It will hurt all our brains.
I am still confused as to why Caron isn’t playing SG, with Songalia at SF….
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What makes you think
that Songaila can play SF?
I don't know
what make you think he can’t? Didn’t he play some SF at Sacramento? That comments on line with saying what make you think Butler can’t play SG or McGee can’t play C….
I though McGuire was a F and not a SHOOTING Guard but I guess I missed the fact that players are glued to their position.
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Burden of proof's on you, not him
You made the initial statement.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
You're right, I overreacted
and its 4 AM before a flight so I’ll go for some numbers later. I think my point is that I don;t see why the Wiz wouldn’t try something that strikes me as really not very unconventional….
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I Got Ledell's Back
See my post below. Sometimes all it takes is a little trial and error to discover what works and what doesn’t.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
Because He Did it Well Last Season
What makes you think
that Songaila can play SF?
I’ve got ledell’s back on this one, because I’ve said this before. Check out the following game logs:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200712220IND.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200802290CHI.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200803020WAS.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200803050WAS.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200803070TOR.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200803080WAS.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200803110WAS.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200803150WAS.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200804120WAS.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200804140WAS.html
All of these games are examples of Darius Songaila starting in place of an injured Caron Butler and playing alongside of Antawn Jamison. The Wizards record was 7-3 (.700 winning %) in those games. I’m not sure whether Darius or Jamison guarded the other team’s PF in those games, but regardless, this lineup worked well.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
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