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Quick reaction to today's trade

I like it. 

I don't love it, but I think we made out fairly decently.  It all depends on Javaris Crittenton's development, but you already knew that.

The swap with New Orleans was definitely a downgrade.  Mike James had one good season many years ago when he was allowed to shoot anytime he wanted on a woeful Toronto Raptors team.  Ever since then, he has been on a major decline, and he wasn't very good before that one magical year in Toronto either.  Three different teams have invested in James to at least come close to providing the type of production he did in Toronto.  Minnesota signed him after the 2005/06 season expecting him to be the starting point guard, and he struggled.  Houston, figuring Minnesota was just a bad fit, traded for James the next season expecting him to challenge Rafer Alston for the starting spot or at least provide a bench spark.  He didn't.  New Orleans then traded for him to upgrade their depth, and he instead wallowed on the bench.  The Hornets even made him the backup point guard this year instead of re-signing Janerro Pargo, and James was so bad that they elected to go with Devin Brown at the point.  Devin Brown!

It's foolhearty to expect Mike James to be any good for us.  He hasn't been any good since 2005/06, and he wasn't any good before then.  He's definitely not as good as even an injured and washed-up Antonio Daniels.

But none of that really matters.  Both guys have contracts that expire at the same time.  Neither factored into our long-term plans, and neither was going to have value next season when they were expiring deals. 

What does matter is that swapping James for Daniels allowed us to get Crittenton for virtually nothing.  To recap: Memphis gave up a conditional first-round pick for Juan Carlos Navarro, applying conditions that basically made it impossible for the Wizards to receive it for many years.  They got one year out of Navarro before he bolted.  Now, they want their pick back, even though they weren't going to lose it for a while, and are willing to give up the prospect that helped drive the Pau Gasol deal.  That's bad planning. 

I don't know much about Javaris Crittenton.  I didn't like him coming out of college, but as Sierradave pointed out, I didn't like Thaddeus Young or JaVale McGee either.  His career numbers indicate a player who is inefficient, not a pure passer and someone who will use a lot of possessions.  Not exactly inspiring.  However, he has never received a chance to show what he could do.  He was stuck behind eons of players with the Lakers, and in Memphis, he was shoved aside so the Grizzlies could develop Kyle Lowry, O.J. Mayo and Mike Conley.  He clearly has talent and it sounds like a good work ethic too.  I like that he's tall for his position, which may make it easier to pair him long-term with Gilbert Arenas.  Teams have been trying to turn him into what he's not, and considering our history with combo guards, I'm confident we can get the most out of him.

In any case, he was worth the downgrade from AD to Mike James.  In the grand scheme of things, the difference between the two doesn't matter.  I would have advocated sitting AD anyway so our younger PGs could develop.  Now, we'll just sit James instead and play Crittenton (or so I hope).  It would have been more optimal to get a better player for AD, and it would have been nice to get a contract that expired this year to address our luxury tax problems down the road, but this works too. The important thing is that it allowed us to get Crittenton for basically nothing.

New Orleans deserves an incredible amount of credit for inserting itself into this deal to make an upgrade on a position of need, but I wouldn't worry too much about them.  We got another promising youngster who could develop or potentially be used in a bigger trade.  That's good enough for me.

 

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To recap: Memphis gave up a conditional first-round pick for Juan Carlos Navarro, applying conditions that basically made it impossible for the Wizards to receive it for many years. They got one year out of Navarro before he bolted. Now, they want their pick back, even though they weren’t going to lose it for a while, and are willing to give up the prospect that helped drive the Pau Gasol deal. That’s bad planning.

Amen.

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by JakeTheSnake on Dec 10, 2008 6:06 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One thing I really need to know

Is either Mike James or Crittenton known to be a good defender?

by lj15 on Dec 10, 2008 6:44 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm.....

I’d give a no on James….but it seems like Crittenton has the potential with his size.

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by Truth About It on Dec 11, 2008 10:53 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This From Mike James's Wikipedia Page

Link.


James was a member of the Pistons’ 2004 NBA Championship team as a reserve. He and fellow reserve guard Lindsey Hunter formed a formidable defensive guard combination nicknamed the “Pit Bulls” by Rasheed Wallace, because of their aggressive nature on defense.


In spite of his strong play during the 2005–06 season for the Raptors, he has been criticized as being somewhat of a one-dimensional player. Despite being an above-average shooter from the point guard spot, his playmaking abilities have been called into question at times as well as his commitment to defense, in stark contrast to his “pit bull” days with the Pistons.

So maybe James is capable of good defense but just has to commit himself to it?

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by cuppettcj on Dec 11, 2008 11:06 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or maybe Rasheed just wanted to call somebody a Pit Bull

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by JakeTheSnake on Dec 11, 2008 11:11 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure...I'll be hopeful.

Then again….he’s only about 3 months younger than AD, so his 29 years in ’04 have been significantly added upon.

However, James is a Cancer (astrology) like me…..so I have no idea what that means.

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by Truth About It on Dec 11, 2008 11:46 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Defense

Mike James was that one year he was with the 2004 Pistons, but that was most likely just the environment. Javaris Crittenton “averaged two steals a game in college, Draws a ton of fouls (over 4 a game).” However “Turns the ball over way too much – averaged almost 4 turnovers per game his freshman season.”

http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/story/javaris_crittenton_nba_draft_profile40744
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/javaris-crittenton

by Fundefined on Dec 10, 2008 7:19 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point.

This trade is NOT a good trade if Mike James plays. Javaris needs to start, or its not worth it.

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by mamemimo on Dec 10, 2008 7:49 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know about start

Juan can start too, or you can go with a DSteve/Nick backcourt. There’s just no point in Mike James playing.

I bet Eddie T. will see that soon too though.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 10, 2008 7:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree - kinda

Mike should definitely at least get a chance to play. I’d let him prove that his effort a few years back when he averaged 20 ppg was nothing but a contract year.

But I’d definitely put the odds at it being completely fluke.

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 9:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I Think He Will Play

Our backcourt is still way too thin to not at least give him a chance. If he’s as bad as Prada says, then hopefully that won’t last too long.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 9:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

I definitely see where Prada is coming from. Last thing we need is another gunner who jacks up ugly shots. I see Tapscott giving him an even shorter leash than JaVale McGee (if that is even possible).

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 9:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK. Let me rephrase.

Javaris needs to start eventually. I don’t expect him to start tonight. This year, to me at least, is about developing the young guys.

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by mamemimo on Dec 11, 2008 9:44 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't start him yet

He’s barely been playing, plus he just came to a team where he needs to learn a new offense. Dixon should probably start right now.

by Matt K. on Dec 10, 2008 8:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm willing to give James a fair shake

But like Prada, I’m a bit skeptical about how much positive contribution he has in him.

I’m not so sure that we should start Javaris…..

He should surely get a chance, but I’d be weary of thrusting a kid he has floundered around on two teams in two years into the starting lineup.

Sure, the Griz had a glut at the PG (less of chance), but I’m sure if kid could really ball/ready to contribute immediately (at least better than Lowry in their opinion), they wouldn’t be giving him up.

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by Truth About It on Dec 11, 2008 10:52 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Post Trade Thoughts
  • According to Wizards Insider, Crittenton and James might not be available tomorrow night. It looks like Dixon will get the start at PG anyway. That meens there might be an OPech sighting, since it wouldn’t make sense to have him inactive for the game.
  • Wow, reading Prada’s post, I never realized Mike James was that bad. If he’s actually worse than a hobbled AD, then the Wizards ought to inactivate him for the rest of the season to free up roster space. Which means more OPech for the short term until Gil comes back. After Gil comes back, OPech will go back to the inactive list. What about when Brendan comes back? My guess is Juan Dixon, but for the good of the team we should consider Etan.
  • I know most here are against this, but it looks like Larry Hughes and Ernie Grunfeld are looking for some sort of reunion. I would not be against this if this were to happen. My guess is it might be Mike James, Etan Thomas, and Juan Dixon for Larry Hughes. If this were to go down, then I see no real downside and a lot of upside for our team. Especially considering how he torched us last Saturday.
  • Ernie Grunfeld actually considered taking Javaris with the 16th pick in a very deep draft last year. He obviously saw something we don’t. I have learned one thing regarding EG – when he really likes somebody, expect great things. Unless, of course, that player is from the Ukraine and Wizznutzz calls him “Big Oily”.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 9:06 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Making MJ inactive

I’d probably do it at this point.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 10, 2008 9:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We are getting no love on ESPN

Halftime analysis after Stu and everyone talked in much detail about the Phoenix trade went something like this:

“And we have another trade that went down in the NBA today…” (enter in tune segued into commercial break)
Stu rushes through teams that participated in the trade and that was about it.

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 9:28 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And you were surprised?

Wiz never get love unless Agent Wacky Pants is saying something.

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by Truth About It on Dec 11, 2008 10:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hughes?

Let’s remember that Chicago has 14 players on their roster right now; so the Wiz can’t do a 3 for 1 trade to get Hughes…

2 for 1 works as it keeps Chicago from going over the maximum 15 players….

But to do 3 for 1, a third team would need to be involved, or Chicago would have to release someone (and still pay their salary)….. Michael Ruffin? That would be an expensive trade for Chicago.

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by Rook6980 on Dec 10, 2008 10:17 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like the trade

1. Mike James’ contract expire at the same time as Daniels’…. still leaving the possibility of trading that expiring contract next year.- – - – Wash

2. We got the draft pick for a player that was never going to play for us. We get Crittenten for that draft pick; which we never would have received anyway. – - – - Advantage

3. Antonio Daniels was not playing well this year… and his skills have declined. Mike James is not playing well this year and his skills have declined. – - – - Wash

The only negative is losing Dee Brown – who I think was actually a pretty good player. He had started to show at least the inkling that he might have an outside shot….. and he was pesky on Defense. He brought the ball up the court fast, and got the Wizards into their offense early….. and besides Butler, He’s the only one on the team that knew how high to throw the oop for McGee.

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by Rook6980 on Dec 10, 2008 10:33 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

I’ll second Rook’s take here. I especially agree that losing Dee Brown is a negative. Obviously it was either he or Dixon, and obviously Dixon is a better scorer, but we have absolutely no one was can play at the point right now who is a, you know, NBA point guard (including Crittenton). We’ll know if this is a big problem after a few 25-turnover games. Hope it doesn’t come to that.

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by Vanilla Gorilla on Dec 11, 2008 2:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What I like about J Critter.

He attacks the rim, drives right into traffic and collects the foul. On a pace-adjusted per-minute basis he’s actually been near the league tops among PG’s in the ratio of FT’s per FG attempt. He’s got some Gilbertesque qualities in this regard in that he is seemingly undaunted by the dreadnoughts in the lane. He’ll drive right at them, bounce off and attempt a circus lay-up, drop fouls on the Bigs to soften them up. Right now our only slasher from the perimeter is Caron. JCrit has similar strong hands to Caron, but a superior handle. Really quick first step, nice change of speeds and direction, misdirection on the attack.

He rebounds pretty well for a point. Size and fearlessness contribute here too. At 6’4"+ 200lbs hes’ pretty burly. He’s actually got he kind of frame that can take even more muscle mass, even lean up a little while gaining strength. What you see is mostly natural talent, meaning his upside is better than what you may expect. He’s got potential to build DWade type strength. This year among PG’s on the adjusted per40 he was top 10 among PGs in boards, and last year (playing 18 mins per game) he was top 5 among PGs (Hey he was top 15 among 2-guards, even when you call Josh Howard, Dom McGuire and James Posey 2-guards). Why does this matter? Teams chuck on us from outside— If we’re giving up long bounces, might as well have 2nd line players who can go get ’em.

He’s young, room to improve. Won’t even turn 21 ‘til New Year’s eve. (Makes him a Capricorn like Gil so naturally they’re bound to succeed!!! Uh, okay, nevermind). We now have understudies and young players developing at every position on court and young veterans ahead of them. We lose savvy cunning and leadership in Daniels, but we pick up size athleticism and youth. The yougn kids can grow up togehter, and there’s less unlearning to do when we pick up a new coach, they can grow to fit the roles into which he molds them.

His weaknesses? A combo guard, needs to attack to create. He’s a drive and kick guy and we have no reliable outside gunners. Until Gil gets back. He’s a drive and dump guy too, and as of right now Javale’s alley oop is our only reliable inside weapon.

He’s not a great outside shooter himself. Nor does he reliably knock down the FT even if he collects chances consistently.

Of course in that respect we have Doctor Hoops Dave Hopla who can help build him a shot. We’ve a better situation for him to develop than anywhere else. And as for drive and kick, if he starts to draw attention in the lane he can play like Gilbert-lite, DeShawn’s numbers may climb, ditto Caron, or Jamison. He’s a good fit for the offense we want to run. Okay, that Eddie wanted to run, but anyway, Combo guards succeed here.

And that’s the real key. Larry Hughes had no great outside shot either, but Jv Critical can play the uptempo game, force the action, handle the ball under pressure, he’s big, athletic, can finish on the break, we can run uptempo the way our young Bigs want to run. Daniels was mistake free but occasionally overcautious, would sometimes slow up and run the half court even when we had numbers on the break. Wouldn’t push the tempo past his own comfort zone. No knock on him, he just liked the pick and roll game better than flying up and down the court. Now when Gilbert returns we get the Pure Energy Redux, with Bigs who like the fast pace, plus Caron.

SO: younger, bigger, stronger, more athletic. Rawer, less polished, less veteran savvy. We lose a highly protected draft pick who knows how far down the line, but pick up a first rounder from one of the deepest drafts in recent history.

I like the move okay. I’ll miss the helloutta Antonio, even injured, even in his post EJ mope. I’ll stand up and cheer when we see him again, but hey, veteran cunning aside, we added better raw talent in a spot where we sorely needed an upgrade. It’s just on us to develop it. Not a bad move in, let’s face it, a rebuilding year. More young players to get PT with only undersized Juan Dixon, maybe DSteve at times, and a toothless Mike James battling for those minutes. If he has the mindset to maximize his opportunities, the chances are there for the taking. He damn sure has the talent to do it.

by doclinkin on Dec 11, 2008 1:47 AM EST reply reply actions actions   4 recs

Rec'd

Good stuff. I also think that DeShawn’s numbers might get better with the Critter. He needs to catch the ball in his spot wide-open and go straight up with it. If DeShawn is forced to dribble, bad things happen.

It’s sweet that we now have a real understudy for Gilbert to train. Who better to teach him?

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by cuppettcj on Dec 11, 2008 7:54 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

James can't hold a candle to Daniels...

….. but you can count on him to have a couple of high scoring games between now and Gilbert’s return.

In other words, if he helps us log 2 or 3 extra Ws he has paid for himself.

I find it fascinating, bye the bye, that with our 4-15 record, the Wiz are still number 18 on Hollinger’s latest power poll…

by khrabb on Dec 11, 2008 6:24 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See My FanPost
I find it fascinating, bye the bye, that with our 4-15 record, the Wiz are still number 18 on Hollinger’s latest power poll…

Hollinger obviously has been looking at the Wizards’ early strength of schedule, and realizes that the Wizards are mostly losing to really good teams. They are a lot better than 4-15 would indicate. When the schedule starts getting easier, I predict you will see the Wizards pick up a lot more wins and make a comeback. Actually, 18th is about where I would put them at this point.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 11, 2008 7:43 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Has our sched been that tough?

We haven’t had a real road trip yet. I’m not really a numbers guy, so you tell me, but my feel is that we’ve had a pretty medium schedule.

by MR on Dec 11, 2008 11:58 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See My FanPost

Click on the “early strenght of schedule” link in my post above to see the details, and then you decide. I’d call playing 14 teams with records > .500 in 19 games a tough schedule. Even if we averaged one win per every team we played that was below .500, we’d still only be 5-14. We are only one game behind that pace. The schedule will get easier. Overall, out of 82 games played, 39 are against teams that are currently < .500.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 11, 2008 12:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And just to add to that

The Wizards currently have the 5th hardest strength of schedule in the league right now, last year their SOS was 25th in the league. Granted, I don’t think we’ve got a .500 team masquerading as a lottery team, but once our SOS regresses to the mean some more, I think the win percentage will go up some.

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by JakeTheSnake on Dec 11, 2008 12:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I Somewhat Disagree
Granted, I don’t think we’ve got a .500 team masquerading as a lottery team

Actually, I think what we are seeing is the result of a team with slightly below .500 talent playing a really tough schedule. Even without Gilbert or Brendan for the rest of the season, I project a 38-44 record, based on their performance so far. With Brendan and Gil back into the fold, I think the Wizards could push beyond 40 wins easily and make the playoffs as a low seed. It will take a long time to dig out of this hole, but I predict that it will happen.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Dec 11, 2008 12:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's how I see it....

That said after tonight the record is very likely to be 4-16. If we beat the Celtics, though, we will definitely be able to lay claim to the title of best 5-15 team in NBA history… ;-)

by khrabb on Dec 11, 2008 1:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey!

I see I’m not the only optimist on the blog.

"Now, obviously individual production does not unilaterally equal better team production, but there's a high level of causation."

by Vanilla Gorilla on Dec 11, 2008 2:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CJ

I did read your fanpost. And we had a whole conversation, remember? TRS-80…floppys…then I read it again before posting.

I think there are a few teams that you have listed as above .500 that are really not. Sure they have wins, but NJ and Miami are questionable teams…plus losing to some >500 teams that were missing key players. Plus losing to some lousy <500 teams. Just leaves me with an impression that our schedule hasn’t been easy, but not that tough either. But if you tell me the numbers prove me wrong, I believe you. I haven’t been following any teams but the Wiz very closely so my impressions could be off.

I guess I always figure the brutal West coast swing and the Texas three step still await. Chalk up some L’s there, even in a good year.

by MR on Dec 11, 2008 2:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Time Will Tell

Sorry, I do see that you were a commenter in my FanPost; I had forgotten that it was you I talked TRS-80’s with. I haven’t bothered digesting the strength-of-shedule for all of the teams we’ve played, so I suppose you could be right about some of those teams not really being > .500 talent-wise. Time will tell. I’ll keep updating the schedule chart as the season goes on, and when a team that we’ve played falls to or below .500, the chart will reflect that and I’ll update my comments.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 11, 2008 3:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cool.

Keep on truckin’.

by MR on Dec 11, 2008 3:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Question

Couldn’t they have made the trade before they fired EJ? Overall, I like it, but on the other hand, it’s pretty much acknowledging that the problems were not all about coaching but included the current roster.

by Pryme on Dec 11, 2008 10:48 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe the strategy has changed and at the time....

They thought AD would give them a better chance at winning.

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by Truth About It on Dec 11, 2008 10:49 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

as ive said before, i dont think this move is as much about immediately improving the roster as it is about building for the future/acquiring one more piece for a big trade in the offseason

by joshp on Dec 11, 2008 1:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

step backwards in short term... again...

i guess we had all already realized we wouldn’t have the AD from last year or the year before running the point this year on the wiz – he looked hurt or washed up or something – but we are really going to miss his production in the near term i think.

hopefully crittendon pans out. i don’t understand why memphis didn’t give him run over conley and lowry, or why the lakers traded him initially, but hey, chauncey billups got passed off a lot in his early career. maybe EG will get a hit with this one… almost surely not right away though.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 11, 2008 5:07 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think

i understand why javaris wasn’t getting PT on memphis. can a point guard be a project?

by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 11, 2008 11:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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