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So the trade is now more specific. We get Mike James to make up the salary, get our man Javaris Crittenton and will likely cut Dee Brown to give Crittenton a roster spot. We also give Memphis back the conditional pick we got for Juan Carlos Navarro.

All in all, I think upgrading from Brown to Crittenton is a solid move and worth the swap of AD for James.

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Isn't Crittenton coming here?

I thought that was what I read last night.

by bronco6778 on Dec 10, 2008 11:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

We will see.....

Interesting that James has a “player option” for slightly less than AD is supposed to make next year. Do the Wiz just cut him….buy him out?

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by Truth About It on Dec 10, 2008 11:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps

And then use the salary difference this year to acquire Crittendon and still stay under the luxury cap.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Curious.....

My Wiz Insider RSS feed says this:

“New Orleans F Melvin Ely is a possibility.”

But it’s not on the Wash Post website.

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by Truth About It on Dec 10, 2008 11:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

BTW...

Ely makes $998,398 this year and does not have a contract going into next season.

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by Truth About It on Dec 10, 2008 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ivan changed the blog post

I don’t like when they do that and not tell the readers, but the same thing happened to me.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 10, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Read This on the Washington Post Site

Ivan later deleted it, but it was there.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish Mike Jones was more on his blog posts

When he is..I often enjoy his contrasting reporting as an alternative.

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by Truth About It on Dec 10, 2008 11:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

If AD Leaves

If this deal goes down, I want to be the first person here to praise him for all that he has done for this franchise. He was a huge reason we made the playoffs last season. He is a classy guy, a true professional, and I hope the best for him in New Orleans (assuming that’s where he ends up). Only fitting that he go to a championship caliber club for one last run at a title before he retires.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 11:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, totally agree

If AD indeed gets traded, there’ll be a lot (comparatively, because I have finals now) where that came from.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 10, 2008 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i 3rd that

nothing but respect and props to AD for everything he did here.
i also think if he has a month to rest, he still can be close to what he was last year. go get yourself a ring then a coaching job, AD.

by little stevie colter on Dec 10, 2008 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

also -

was AD an original Vancouver Gizzle?

by little stevie colter on Dec 10, 2008 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

AD definitely has a good locker room presence, and seems to mesh well with all the players. He has a good sense of humor, and knows how to lock down and get serious when needed. He surely has some good coaching qualities, and I’d love to see him back as an assistant one day.

That being said, I actually think NO is a better fit for him than here in DC. Mike James was getting no burn, and they need a natural backup to Chris Paul.

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well said

As a Hornets fan, this was a good deal for the Hornets. From a Wizards perspective, I think it’s great they finally land a PG/SG upside guy.

I'm no commie, but the Reds shall be the best again!

by RedHopeful on Dec 10, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like

My AD jersey will now be retired. He was always the best dressed Wizard, as well as a fierce competitor.

Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!

by ledellforlife on Dec 10, 2008 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Assuming

That Mike James is coming over just for his salary. We will need to dump him to make room for Crittenton, unless Ernie plans on releasing either Juan or Dee.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

daniels/james

unless were planning on trading/buying out james, this is a lateral move. when i first started reading, i was thinking ‘great, we get to dump daniels’ contract’ but james has a very similar contract. hes not opting out.

by joshp on Dec 10, 2008 11:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

meh

you know ive never really liked him. if anything, we should showcase him while arenas is out and use him as trade bait in conjunction with thomas and blatche to pick up a quasi-star in the offseason from a team in the lebron sweepstakes

by joshp on Dec 10, 2008 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tough Break for Dee

He goes from Turkey to NBA starter to being released. I actually like his game, but if the Wizards had to give up a guard, I guess it is the right move. Personally, I would have rather seen Ernie give up OPech rather than dump Dee.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 11:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

does crittenton become our starting PG?

and if so how soon?

1 – crittenton
2 – young
3 – caron
4 – jamison
5 – blatche

that’s what i hope is coming soon

by little stevie colter on Dec 10, 2008 11:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I would assume so

Since we’re losing both DB and AD.

by KShark28 on Dec 10, 2008 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's true

Who starts now? Maybe Eddie T. will go with DeShawn and move Nick into the starting lineup.

I’ll be honest: as good as Juan was last night, I’d rather cut him and keep Dee.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 10, 2008 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah quite a few possibilities

juan or deshawn is going to have to start at PG for at least the next few games. but i would not be surprised if it’s those 2 in the back court for now. joy.

by little stevie colter on Dec 10, 2008 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That sounds good to start off with

Deshawn at the point, since he has definitely bee more efficient passing than he has scoring by a long shot. Nick Young at the 2 with Crittenton coming off the bench.

I have to say, I’m pretty excited to finally have a young PG to develop. I watched him as a rookie in LA before he got traded, and he definitely has some potential. Good feel for the game, as well as passing and scoring.

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I literally know nothing about Javaris

I didn’t really like him coming out of college, but I haven’t really seen him much since then. My feeling is that he’s more of a scoring guard though.

I wonder how his defense is. I’ve heard good things.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 10, 2008 12:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's pretty nice

He’s big for a PG at 6’4. He is really buried down the bench in Memphis, with Kyle Lowry, Mike Conley, and OJ Mayo in front of him, so it isn’t surprising he hasn’t got any PT this year.

All in all, I believe it comes down to the value in a young PG with potential. It is definitely greater than the value of AD at this point, though I can’t say what AD would have looked like with Gil in there with him. Mike James also had a good year a couple years ago and appears like he’s in the doghouse in New Orleans, so best case scenario is we get a growing PG to develop with our youngsters and have Mike James come in with a change of scenery and some scoring punch from the point (though I’m not sure if he’s that much more efficient than Juan).

It looks like he was acquired from LA as a trading chip, as Memphis has preferred playing their own draft products.

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 12:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Slightly on the Other Edge
I’ll be honest: as good as Juan was last night, I’d rather cut him and keep Dee.

I really like Dee’s game, but I slightly prefer Juan at this point because he can get very hot offensively. One of the bigger problems the Wizards have this season has been their ability to score from the backcourt. I’m assuming that this trade is EG’s way of addressing that. AD is nice when healthy, but he’s not really a scoring guard. DeShawn filled in as a backcourt scorer last season, but he hasn’t been able to get it done this season. With Juan, Crittenton, James, and Young the Wizards have the potential for some offensive fireworks from their guards.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree to a certain extent

I love seeing Juan play well. The way he played last night – as a PG rather than a scoring guard – is what we need him to do. Juan has much better handles than Dee, and when he uses them well rather than jacking up bad shots he can be very effective.

Last night, he penetrated and got the ball to players such as Darius and Jamison for them to score easily. I wish he’d consistently use his penetration to pass the ball rather than shoot it off the dribble.

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Aside from the players involved alone

This also shows the team that EG is willing to shake things up. This is a minor move in the grand scheme of things, but it has the potential to pan out to be greater than that.

Hopefully this puts players on notice that EG has improving this team on his mind, and that they should step it up.

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 12:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

eh

swapping backup point guards doesnt really constitute ‘shaking things up’.

i see this as a deal to make another deal. we swapped one contract that expires in 2010 for a similar one and gained a young guy with some potential in javaris

by joshp on Dec 10, 2008 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Disagree
swapping backup point guards doesnt really constitute ‘shaking things up’.

It does when your starting PG wears ascots to games and has “no timetable to return”. It does when your current starting PG plays 6 minutes to start a game and then doesn’t return to the floor. As volatile as the Wizards backcourt has been this season, swapping a few players amounts to a big deal. I expect to see both James and Crittenton log a lot of minutes these next couple of months.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps

i misspoke. i meant that, in my view, this is less a deal to improve the team, and more a deal to increase our firepower to acquire a semi-star in the offseason. i hope to see a lot of crittenton this year. it will help his value, and maybe, just maybe, we have something too good to give up here. as for james, i sure hope we dont see him. hes playing horribly, problems with the coaches or not.

by joshp on Dec 10, 2008 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This deal

potentially does a lot for our team without sacrificing our expiring trading chips.

We’d still have an expiring contract in 2010 in Mike James almost identical to AD’s. In the process, we upgrade our PG position with young talent. Young talent at our PG position was something we sorely lacked, and we addressed this with Crittenton. We now have Him, Young, DMac, AB, and McGee as young developing players at each position, something we didn’t have before.

Personally, I’d much rather have a young first round talent in Crittenton than waiting until 2013 to use our pick from Memphis on a second rounder, which it really looked like was going to happen since the pick was protected until Memphis makes the playoffs.

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

I’d consider Mike James an upgrade over a hurt AD this season. He can shoot better and can contribute a lot this season before he is traded away next season.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a Crittenton fan

Granted only one year in college, but I liked his work and I am looking forward to a Crittenton-Young backcourt myself.

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by George Templeton on Dec 11, 2008 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How does this effect our cap space for next year?

We had two decently large contracts. Will this leave us with only one? Isn’t that a bad thing? Or will Mike James re-opt giving us two large contracts?

by zeke5123 on Dec 10, 2008 12:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

no real affect

theres no way james opts out, unless he wants to retire. no one is giving him MLE money even if he plays well for us.

the deal basically wont change the cap situation. james+crittenton basically=daniels salary-wise. we probably werent going to the memphis pick this year, as it was top-16 protected, so that doesnt change anything

by joshp on Dec 10, 2008 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be surprised

If we work out some sort of deal where we’ll quasi buy-out James as long as he agrees to exercise his player option after the year so we save money.

Not sure if that’s legal though.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 10, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

According to the updated link:

Crittenton was a first-round pick of the Lakers last year (19th overall) and was sent to Memphis in the trade involving Kwame Brown and Pau Gasol. The Wizards liked him going into the 2007 draft and may have taken him had Nick Young not been available at 16.

This is the first time I’m hearing this. Anybody else remember this being the case?

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 12:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

So Essentially

The rights to Juan Carlos Navarro netted Ernie another 1st round pick in the 2007 draft right after Nick Young. I have a good feeling about this. When Ernie really likes a guy, he tends to be right more often than not. See McGee, JaVale.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But don't see

Pecherov, Oleksiy.

Ok. That’s kind of mean, since I still have hopes for O-Pec.

The Washington Wizards: providing career scoring nights for unknown opposing bench players since 2004.

by mamemimo on Dec 10, 2008 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You might be the only one.

His ceiling is a 15 minute per game spot up 3-ball shooter who can cause a matchup problem – at BEST. I’d like to see him get his shot in this league, but I doubt it comes with the Wiz.

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by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 10, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Notice My Wording
When Ernie really likes a guy, he tends to be right more often than not.

Which implies that sometimes he is wrong. But he did foresee Gilbert blowing up into an even bigger player than most people did back then, and he did manage to find Michael Redd in the second round of a very poor draft class.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Touche.

No, I actually agree with you. Re-reading my comment, I sound like a dick.

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by mamemimo on Dec 10, 2008 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Naw, I Didn't Take it Like That

OPech is a good example of EG getting it wrong. It’s worth mentioning as a way to prove that he isn’t right all of the time.

Of course, it doesn’t help OPech that Darius and Blatche both play his position and both have similar styles.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Look, I got a soft spot for O-Pec, but I still got hopes for him.

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by mamemimo on Dec 10, 2008 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Does this mean that...

…we’re going to do a Player Evaluation for Crittenton and James? ;)

I’d at least love a quick run down of your (PM’s) thoughts on these players, with some of your statistical googling.

by se7en on Dec 10, 2008 12:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Looks like

this went from speculation and insider information to actual fact:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3759656

by KShark28 on Dec 10, 2008 12:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sweet!

I honestly believe we got away with a STEAL with this trade.

I have no idea why Memphis would do this trade. They’d most likely be giving up a second round pick to us, which we are returning. They are giving up a second rounder to NO. They are basically giving away Crittenton, something they are known for (see Gasol, Pau). Surely they could have got more value for him than that.

Wasn’t he supposed to be the main prospect in that Pau Gasol trade anyway?

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 1:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No, I'd say brother Marc was...

At least that’s way the Griz were saying at the time….and he’s looked pretty decent so far this year (and in the Olympics).

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by Truth About It on Dec 10, 2008 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice moves overall

I agree with the earlier comments that AD was a class act, a good locker room presence, and a competent floor leader. But he was an offensive liability; teams would basically ignore him and use AD’s guy to double. I don’t know about Javaris, but Mike James is not a guy you want to leave open. Our debilitating 3-point descrepancy may just get better before Gilbert comes back.

I like acquiring Javaris for the simple fact that he’s young, big (for a pg), and fast (at least he was fast at Georgia Tech). If Tapscott can get him to play defense like he’s gotten McGuire to play defense, maybe the Wiz could actually stop dribble penetration every once and a while. Dare to dream.

by jvflail on Dec 10, 2008 1:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

What is the track record on his D? Anyone know?

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by mamemimo on Dec 10, 2008 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a great trade.

Getting Crittendon for a 1st round pick we were never going to get anyway is beautiful. I don’t know much about him, but free is free.

As far as the Mike James/AD swap… Well, AD has looked pretty done, and the salaries are pretty much even, and Mike James can shoot, but ugh, he’s Mike James.

I do kinda hope we buyout Mike James and resign Dee. I liked him.

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by mamemimo on Dec 10, 2008 1:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I doubt we'd do that

Then we’d be losing an expiring contract that we’d use for a trading chip next year – the FA feeding frenzy year. But yea I liked Dee too.

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Does this mean anything RE: Arenas' Return?

Mike James is basically a dirt poor-man’s Gilbert Arenas. Does this mean we doubt Gilbert is coming back this year so we’ve acquired his slower, less energetic, less efficient alter ego?

by jvflail on Dec 10, 2008 1:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think

the deal was about getting Crittenton and keeping an expiring deal to use during next season. It also shakes things up a bit.

by Matt K. on Dec 10, 2008 1:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope your right

I really don’t know much about him, except he was fast and shot a lot at Georgia Tech…but that description can be applied to every Ramblin Wreck guard over the past two decades. I also seem to remember him lighting up Summer League, although I can’t remember if it was last year or two years ago.

by jvflail on Dec 10, 2008 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I agree

I guess we’ll find out soon. He turns just 21 later this month, so he has to have some upside.

by Matt K. on Dec 10, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Here he is...

http://www.javariscrittenton.org/

Also, He averaged 17 points, 3 assists, 2.4 rebs in Summer League 07. I say take the leash off and let Javaris eat!

by jvflail on Dec 10, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess what I mean is...

It doesn’t make sense to have Gilbert and Mike James on the same roster, does it?

by jvflail on Dec 10, 2008 1:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is

a thin roster. Having both Haywood and Arenas on the roster (instead of IR) means we’re limited to begin with, and Daniels being hobbled and injury prone was a severe liability. Even if James doesn’t really make any waves, he’s healthy and provides somewhat of a stopgap solution.

by KShark28 on Dec 10, 2008 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Horrific trade

Wow, this is a pathetic trade for the Wizards. Just awful. You give up Daniels and Dee who know and are learning the offense and averaging 35 mpg at PG (Total 08/09 salary about 7 million) AND a first and second round draft pick for the awe inspiring Mike James and Crittenden who are averaging about 15 mpg combined, for 7.6 million.

 James is the ONLY BACKUP PG ON THE HORNETS but hasnt played in 9 of the last 10 games…why do you think that is? One Guess. And Charlotte is 26th in the league in assist ratio and 28th in turnovers….which means there is PROBABLY room to improve out on the court, but James is not viewed as much help. And Crittenden is the FOURTH PG on a Memphis team that is last in the league in Assists per game and 23rd in terms of turnover ratio. Which basically makes him the worst distributor in the game right now.

While I don’t blame them in principle for waiving Dee, since Dixon is playing quite well, their PG rotation is now Arenas (hobbled?)/Dixon/James/Crittenden instead of Arenas/Daniels/Dixon/Dee. IMO they lose speed and smarts as well as a draft picks and $. Idiotic. The guy to get rid of on the team is Deshawn Stevenson. Overpaid, no-defense SG who cant shoot.

by dkdc68 on Dec 10, 2008 1:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

Worst case scenario: Crittenton and James don’t equal AD and Dee Brown’s production. Nuff said.

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 1:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly -

given what they gave up, there’s not a lot of downside to this. risk worth taking for sure, IMO

by little stevie colter on Dec 10, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And oh yea

I had been wondering how disgruntled Grizzlies fans would react to their current debacle of a state.

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

if I’d say horrific and pathetic, sounds a bit hyperbolic. Daniels was injury prone on a thin roster, and the team looks to have lost confidence in Brown since he wasn’t getting any significant 2nd half minutes. I find James to be an upgrade over Daniels, and Crittenton to be an upgrade over Brown. The draft pick was conditional.

by KShark28 on Dec 10, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So

What are the Hornets fans thoughts on getting AD? Think he can help backup the PG spot?

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Quote from Hornets GM Jeff Bower

via At The Hive:

“We are excited to get a player of Antonio’s caliber. He is a guard with excellent size, versatility and toughness. Daniels is also a proven veteran who has won a championship and we look forward to all of those attributes strengthening our bench.”

Looks like the Hornets were trying to acquire a winning mentality first and foremost, with AD’s playoff experience. Mike James didn’t bring this to their squad.

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My feeling is he will be better than James

To be fair, I don’t think Byron Scott gave James a fair shake of things. James did suck, but in very limited appearances. Byron will probably take a lot more kindly to Daniels and give him a fair shot at the job.

by atthehive on Dec 10, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We didn't trade the second round pick.

Memphis traded one to New Orleans (not Charlotte). The first rounder was conditional and would have been late in the draft — if we ever even got it.

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by Icantfeelmyface on Dec 10, 2008 1:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I heard somewhere that the conditions on the pick were that the Grizzlies make the playoffs, or the year 2013, in which case it would turn into a second round pick. Any one know if this is true?

by KShark28 on Dec 10, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Conditions

Link.

-Memphis receives Navarro.

-The Wizards receive a top-19 protected first round pick in 2008, a top-16 protected pick in 2009, a top-14 (lottery) protected pick from 2010-2012, a top-12 protected pick in 2013 or a second-round pick and cash considerations if they have not received a pick by 2013.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

If the Wizards had a top-19 protected pick in 2007, they would have selected Crittenton anyway. Ernie is high on the kid. And after seeing how good McGee has looked this season, I’m willing to give EG the benefit of the doubt.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

AD was a class act...

and I believe he will have a fine coaching career in the NBA as well BUT he simply is no longer the player he was. Dee Brown brought energy but almost no offense.

Mike James is a proven scorer but not a pure point guard. He is not a great defender but his ability to light it up may get him some burn at the two.

Crittendon is either a real prospect or her is not… We will soon find out.

by khrabb on Dec 10, 2008 1:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

MIke James legendary ability to "light it up" is merely a legend

Do you know how many times he has hit double digits since December 10, 2007?

Three.

His shooting percentage last year was a whopping 0.348.
Today it is 0.320

In the same time span how many games do you think hes more than 1 assist. Dont worry, you still only need one hand, the answer is Five.

James had had 9 steals. In the past year.

There is no way that James is better than AD. he is nowhere near AD.

honestly I would rather have Dee and Crittenden than James and Crittenden, and save the $.

by dkdc68 on Dec 10, 2008 2:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You Don't Understand

Part of the value of this trade is that we still keep a large expiring contract. If we buy out James, then we have no chip to trade to get impact players next season. If you don’t understand this, then you need to research the NBA collective bargaining agreement and understand how it works. Even if James doesn’t see the court this season, he still has a lot of value because of his fat contract, as crazy as that might sound.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I concur that i knowl little or nothing about this stuff

I cant/dont keep track of the contracts

was Daniels contact significantly different than James though? was ADs contract longer than James?

if AD’s contract=James then its an idiotic deal.

by dkdc68 on Dec 10, 2008 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

James is not the main part of the deal though

The main piece to this trade is Javaris Crittenton, and the exchange of AD/James were mostly to make the numbers work.

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good post

You articulated the most important points very well

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

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by Truth About It on Dec 10, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How do you Rec posts?

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

actions --> Rec

The actions link is right next to the reply link.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 3:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotcha

thanks

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, sometimes....

I call out the rec to draw the attention of others even more.

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by Truth About It on Dec 10, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

5 Recs and

the post gets highlighted right?

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think so

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by JakeTheSnake on Dec 10, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I might lower that to three though. Haven’t decided.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 10, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What leads you to think James is better than AD

either long or short term? If he cannot longer crack the rotation of a team with 2 point guards on it (I obviously meant New Orleans, sorry) what can James do for you? AD may be old and injury prone, but at least he can still produce. James has not played well in 3 or 4 years.

And as for young developing PGs…Crittenden has had the opportunity to compete with Conley and Kyle Lowry and hasnt gotten anywhere close to sniffing regular backup PG minutes, on a team as bad or worse than the Wizards. Thats all the data we’ve got on him and it doesnt point to anything remotely interesting. If you want a young PG with promise who can play, just keep Dee. Upside here just means “hasnt done a thing yet”. At least Brown can defend…the last time he played 20+ minutes he had 7 Assists, 0 TOs and 8 points.

Mid season departures at PG, even the backup spot are not going to do anything to gel an offense.

by dkdc68 on Dec 10, 2008 2:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think

this is an amazing trade, but I still think the Wizards gain something from this. I’m not sure if James not seeing much PT in New Orleans is much of a knock, seeing as how he’s behind Chris Paul, who averages 37.5 MPG. He is also a better perimeter player than AD. As a complete player, AD has the edge. I just think we need perimeter scoring and able bodies more than what AD brings to the table to salvage this season.

by KShark28 on Dec 10, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Deshawn

was playing the way he played last year, I think Mike James would be a total waste. But we really don’t have much in the way of perimeter scoring, and of all the good things AD and DB brought to the table, neither really contributed in that aspect.

by KShark28 on Dec 10, 2008 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't value Mike James more than AD

AD definitely provided much leadership, something that I see as suspect in Mike James. But what I like about this trade is Crittenton. Granted, he hasn’t proven anything yet, but he hasn’t gotten a chance either. He was on a veteran Laker squad, and I remember a few games where he played very well for them.

He’d only turning 21, has good size/speed, and was buried on the bench behind 3 other favored/more experienced PG’s in Memphis. I’m willing to give the kid a chance.

If we have to swap AD for James in order to get Crittenton, I’m all for it.

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what kind of a chance would you like Crittenden to get?

He plays with 2 PGs.
Lowry has been in the league 2 years. He played 10 games his first year.
Conley has been in the league for 1 year. Conley has not been playing all that well, and is about to be pulled from the starting rotation in Memphis, for Lowry.

Are they worried that Lowry might not pan out as a starter either, and that Crittenden is so close with so much upside that they should keep him? Apparently not. He’s worth securing a pick they probably werent going to have to give up anyway. Wow.

by dkdc68 on Dec 10, 2008 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Crittenton has enough potential to give Memphis back a pick that was likely to be a 2nd round pick or cash in 2013.

Lowry played 10 games his first year, and he is proving he is productive this year. Conley was the 4th pick in the draft last year and is still finding his way in the NBA after 1 year in college. Crittenton was the 19th pick in the same draft class as Conley, and both came out after 1 year in college.

My point is, it usually takes time for a PG to adjust to the League, unless you’re Derrick Rose. And don’t forget about OJ Mayo who is in front of Crittenton.

The Wiz are in a much better position than LA and Memphis to give Crittenton a chance to develop at PG.

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well Memphis

has been in a great position to give Crittenden Minutes if he was worth playing, but they havent.

Crittenden has little or no potential based on past performance. The fact that he was a first round pick means little or nothing.

by dkdc68 on Dec 10, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just curious

You’ve been watching Wizards games this year, right?

You’ve seen AD decline and fail to produce thus far?

You know that we are seriously lacking a young PG?

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When the great scorekeeper in the sky adds it all up...

No Question… AD will go down as a better player, teammate and many other things than Mike James… BUT you cannot judge Mike James by what you have seen of him in New Orleans. He has a past history as a real scorer and he does defend reasonably well. PLUS his salary was just enough ($200K) less than AD’s to make the rest of this deal work in terms of the all important Luxury Tax threshold.

The X factor here is Crittenton. Obviously as he was a #19 pick the Wizards had to have scouted him as a potential #16 in 2007… He clearly has some physical gifts and he will get a chance to prove himself.

We look a LOT better with the guard contingent that is now in place, it cost us only an aging AD (and I hope he flourishes in NO as a back-up to CP-3… this is a great deal for them and him) and a contingent first rounder that may never have come to pass.

by khrabb on Dec 10, 2008 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

About AD
AD may be old and injury prone, but at least he can still produce.

That’s where you go wrong. I love AD, and he played great last season, but he is not playing well at all this season. He’s been a liability every time he takes the court. Hopefully, New Orleans will sit him down and let him get healthy before putting him in the game. They have Chris Paul, so they have that luxury. The Wizards don’t.

I don’t even consider AD a backup PG until he gets completely healthy. Had he stayed, I would have recommended putting him behind both Dee and Dixon on the depth chart.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Then We've Lost Nothing

And possible gained a good young guard in Crittenton who can develop into something special. It boils down to this: I trust Ernie Grunfeld. I never believed JaVale McGee would be an impact player this season, and after that mistake, I have chosen to never doubt EG again until he has been proven wrong.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Re the “we’ve lost nothing.”

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 10, 2008 5:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and as for james, i can't say i care a whole lot

because as has been pointed out, this is about crittenton.

by little stevie colter on Dec 10, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

Mike James stinks. He really, really, really stinks. But AD wasn’t any good anymore either and we needed to make the slight downgrade in talent in order to fit Javaris on the roster. James’ contract is basically the same as AD’s. I don’t expect James to resurface, but I don’t think it matters anyway. AD’s long-term value on this team was simply his expiring contract in 2010. The same applies to James.

I don’t know much about Crittenton, but like cuppett, I trust Ernie in this regard. I think he fits in better here than Memphis because of his size and what I think I know about his defensive ability, but I’m not sure. And I’d rather keep Brown and cut Dixon, but Brown saves us more money and Crittenton has more potential.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 10, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's the point about AD -

is he done? or just injured? he was showing a little bit more recently i thought. he was good enough last year to be the starting PG on a playoff team, so i tend to think he’s still got enough left to be an asset.
that said, i’d just as soon let him do it for a team with a shot at doing something (although the hornets seem to have some issues).

by little stevie colter on Dec 10, 2008 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Willing to Bet Just Injured
is he done? or just injured?

AD has never really had a good outside jumper, but has instead relied on quickness and his driving ability. This season, that part of his game has truly suffered. My guess is that he is really in a lot of pain but feels he must “suck it up” for the team and play because we are really slim at guard. With the Hornets, hopefully he can sit and get healthy and then come back and be a really good player.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think injured too

I wish we could have let him get healthy and played him later in the season.

While I wouldn’t call this move Grunfeld giving up on the season, it is a move more to the future than the present as far as I can tell.

by MR on Dec 10, 2008 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like what Beyond the Arc (Grizzlies) said about the trade and Crittenton...
I do think Crittenton has a chance to be a significant player and wish he’d gotten a stronger look here. I won’t be surprised if this deal looks bad in a couple of years. But I get why they did it.

http://www.cmimemphis.com/grizblog/node/403

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by Lukbuster on Dec 10, 2008 2:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Very good points made from the Memphis Flyer Griz Blog

Seems like this is another cost-cutting move by the Grizzlies.

Quote from GM Chris Wallace from the article:

"It clears up a space — a roster spot for next year. We save the money on Crittenton for this year and next year and it strengthens the case for keeping Quentin Ross."

I still don’t see how they didn’t get better value for him, but hey, I’m happy.

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 2:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I miss Antonio already

Glad he’s going to a good situation. I would have been mad had he ended up in Memphis.

by MR on Dec 10, 2008 3:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

True that

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 3:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

True that x2

I’m working on a little writeup about him right now and I added his player tag and it’s already updated to list him as a Hornet. It was a mighty depressing moment.

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by JakeTheSnake on Dec 10, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

AD was good while it lasted.

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by mamemimo on Dec 10, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Daniels = Whitney

Classy guys who played hard, played through injury, and earned a lot of respect.

by MR on Dec 10, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Crittenton is an excellent acquisition.

Crittenton has great size for a point and can play effectively as a combo guard. He’s a flashy ball handler, a talent penetrator and has serious scoring ability. Javaris has also shown great vision and solid passing skills.

Crittenton’s problem is inexperience and decision making. He doesn’t understand how to use his skills to their best effect and often makes mistakes as a result. This will change with time and coaching. Crittenton is also a very hard worker, to the point where Kobe Bryant praised his work ethic, so the chances are very good that he figures it out.

I’m a big fan of his, and I think he can be a very good player in this league. Lot of talent.

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by NBR on Dec 10, 2008 3:23 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

I like all of your points, and I really hope you are right.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 3:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dang It

I keep posting new comments at the bottom of the thread instead of replying. My bad.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty excited about a NY-Crittenton combo

From the little I know about Crittenton, it seems their skills would compliment each other well.

by Aldo on Dec 10, 2008 3:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Very Very good point

And good size in that backcourt as well.

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by Evander holyfield on Dec 10, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I should flag this for pointing out how wrong I've been

But instead I’ll rec it for being on point.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 10, 2008 4:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love this trade, AD was a great leader on this team but physically he was passed his prime. I think he’ll do a great job backing up paul on the hornets.

Crittenton has ridiculous upside, he’s great at getting to the rim and really looks like he could be a star one day. I agree with what everyone has been saying about questionable decision making but these things can be taught, talent can’t. Kobe seemed genuinely disappointed when he was traded (unlike Kwame, haha) and complimented his work ethic which is a solid endorsement to me.

by blockrock on Dec 10, 2008 5:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

stolen from a post on WP Wizards Insider

but someone pointed out that the wiz now have a young non-starting 5 of:

PG Crittenton
SG Young
SF McGuire
PF Blatche
C McGee

that is non too shabby, potentially (always potentially) but it makes me feel a bit better as jamison and butler get a a little older.

by little stevie colter on Dec 10, 2008 5:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That Is

These are obviously 5 guys who won’t start when Gil and Brendan come back. JaVale is already starting right now, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Crittenton starts for the next several weeks until Gil gets back now that Dee Brown is gone.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 10, 2008 8:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my bad - mcgee obviously is starting

but yeah, the gist is that those guys would be coming off the bench when the team is healthy, which all of a sudden looks pretty good.

by little stevie colter on Dec 10, 2008 8:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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