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Are the Wizards better than their record?

Our fearless leader Ernie Grunfeld seems to believe so.

Grunfeld believes that even without Arenas and starting center Brendan Haywood, the Wizards have enough talent to be a .500 team.

"We're better than we have performed," Grunfeld said when asked about the decision to fire Jordan, the third-winningest coach in franchise history.

I think that we'd all agree that there's some truth in that.  Save for two blowouts at the hands of the Magic and a sloppy loss at Miami, the Wizards have been competitive in every other game they've played this season.  In fact, in of those losses, they've either held the lead or been within one possession of tying the game.  Let's take a look back at those losses:

  • Lost to New Jersey by 10, despite holding a lead in the 4th quarter.  At the time it seemed like a bad loss since most people thought the Nets would be one of the worst teams in the league.  In hindsight, it doesn't look nearly as bad given that the Nets are currently 9-7, but it was still a game the Wizards could've had.  Last lead: 8:05 left in the 4th quarter.
  • Lost to Milwaukee by 8 in OT.  The Wizards had control for most of the game, but a late 10-1 run forced an extra period and the Bucks rode the momentum to a win in extra time.  Out of all the wins that the Wizards have given away, this one probably stings the most.  Last lead: 2:16 left in the 4th quarter.
  • Lost to New York by 6.  New York had the lead for most of the game, but a Caron Butler layup gave the Wizards the lead with less than a five minutes to go.  Then the Knicks scored 12 of the last 15 points.  Last lead: 4:41 left in the 4th quarter.
  • Lost to Atlanta by 4.  A DeShawn Stevenson jumper gave the Wizards a 4 point lead with 1:05 to go, but two treys from Joe Johnson gave the Hawks the lead for good as the Hawks would go on to score 8 points in the last 65 seconds.  Last lead: 0:27 left in the 4th quarter.
  • Lost to Houston by 12.  If you can believe it, the Wizards actually held a 9 point lead with less than 9 minutes to go and still managed to lose by double-digits.  Apparently Tracy McGrady can still hit threes when he's left open.  Last lead: 3:56 left in the 4th quarter.
  • Lost to New York by 5.  Of course, this was the game that the Wizards lost despite the Knicks only suiting up 7 players.  I'd say the consensus among most Wizard fans was that it was a game that Wizards should've won given the circumstances.  Not everyone agrees, however:

     

    Sean: You obviously didn't watch the Wizards, this season nor the past three playoff years. Eddie Jordan's Princeton offense was nonexistent. He was possibly the worst defensive coach in the league. His genius strategy of giving up the most 3s in history was classic. How do you lose to the Knicks who dress seven guys?

    Justin: There's no bigger cliche in the inbox of sportswriters than the fan who writes in to say, "You obviously don't watch Team X." Please. I watch all the teams. I talk with scouts about them. I talk with coaches, general managers and players about them. I am happy to recognize that legit disagreements come up among observers. But don't try the I-know-more-than-you-because-you-don't-watch-my-team angle. It's bunk.

    I would say you need a Princeton offense primer. They run some variation of the Princeton offense 99 percent of the time. Ask any scout. I have. As for losing to the Knicks, that's not hard to do when you are missing your starting point guard, your backup point guard and your starting center. The Wizards had to start Dee Brown and JaVale McGee. That's why they lost.

    I'll agree that sportswriters don't get enough credit for the hours they spend watching film and gathering insights from people in the know.  I'll also agree that the Wizards run the Princeton about 99 percent of the time.  But I just don't see where he's coming from with the last part.  Sure, the Wizards were without their two best point guards and their top center, but the Knicks were without their top shooting guard, top center, and they didn't have the services of one of their top two point guards because he refused to play.  Plus, the Wizards had two All-Stars and a full bench to compensate for their roster issues, the Knicks didn't. 

    Should that game have cost Eddie Jordan his job?  Maybe not, but I think it's a game that he should've won.

    Anyways, despite all that, the Wizards had a chance to win, late in the game but as you would proably expect given the theme that's been established, a late run by the Knicks did them in.  Last lead: 7:18 left in the 4th quarter.

For those of you keeping score at home, that's six losses where the Wizards had a lead in the fourth quarter only to end up losing.  Plus the Wizards have had three games this season (at Detroit, vs Miami, and vs Atlanta) where the Wizards had either tied the game or come within one possession of tying the game in the fourth quarter.  That's nine games where the Wizards have had a chance to win in the 4th quarter but come up unsuccessful.

Now you can blame those close losses on bad late game execution, bad coaching, or just plain bad luck, but I think it's going to be hard for the Wizards to keep losing 9 out of every 10 close games they play this season, especially once Gilbert Arenas comes back.  Will better late game performances and the return of a superstar be enough to get the Wizards back into the playoff hunt?  I doubt it, but I also doubted the Wizards would be able to make the playoffs last year without Agent Zero, I doubted that JaVale McGee would be able to contribute in his rookie season, and I doubted that I'd ever see the words "Stealth Booger" written with any sense seriousness attached to them. 

It's goinig to take an amazing run over the last 68 games to get into the playoff chase, and our current record doesn't lend itself to a lot of optimism about the rest of the season.  It may seem bleak, but let's not close the door on the team just yet.

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by Truth About It on Dec 1, 2008 4:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Think about it this way

“Grunfeld believes that even without Arenas and starting center Brendan Haywood, the Wizards have enough talent to be a .500 team.”

Yay .500 (sarcasm). Because as we all know, a .500 season would distract us from the real issue here, that the Wizards are not and never will be a championship contender with the current core. They were idiots to commit $111M to a guy with a busted-arse knee. Now they are going to suck with cap inflexibility when Gil come back and is not the same 30ppg guy he used to be.

And while Grunfield is at it telling us how good the team he built is, maybe he can answeer why they didn’t choose to go all veterans if they wanted to win? Or if the current big three is so good, then why he kept surrounding them with really young and inexperienced talent. Pick your strategy idiot. Win or rebuild, not both at the same time. You can’t do what Dumars has done in Detroit unless you have a stable of talent that you are ready to pull the trigger on to improve the W column.

by ericdc77 on Dec 2, 2008 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

idunno

maybe he can answeer why they didn’t choose to go all veterans if they wanted to win? Or if the current big three is so good, then why he kept surrounding them with really young and inexperienced talent.

i like the strategy of trying to steal some sneaky picks around your core guys, always in rebuilding mode – i’m just disappointed that EG hasn’t gotten a solid hit with any of those guys yet. think SA with parker and ginobili, LA Lakers with Kobe Bryant and Bynum…

you kind of have to do that if you’re trying to stay under the salary cap. not sure if there’s a choice, really.

to me, the main problem seems to be that GA, BTH, and AD are injured, and that ET is no longer remotely effective after his surgery. that’s pretty tough to overcome.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 2, 2008 5:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In a previous post

I mentioned the fact that the Wizards have very little room for error this season.

Their perennial All-Star Point Guard (Arenas) is out, along with their Starting Center and anchor of the Defense (Haywood). AND the Wizards let their best and most consistent outside threat leave for Free Agency (Mason).

They are relying on two former All-Star Forwards (Butler and Jamison), a bunch of young kids (Young, McGee, Blatche), and some slowly deteriorating vets (Daniels, Songaila, Thomas and Dixon)….

With a full compliment of players (including Arenas and Haywood) – the potential of this team can be realized. The team was built around Arenas and his ability to spread the floor, extend the defense and penetrate at will. There’s more room for Butler to operate in the mid-range – and Jamison can operate both inside and behind the 3-point line. Haywood gave the Wizards at least the semblance of an inside presence – along with an anchor for the Defense. It didn’t matter that they don’t have a great Shooting Guard, because Arenas can do it all (distribute, drive, lead the break and shoot)…

Without Arenas and Haywood – teams can simply concentrate on shutting down Butler, and keep a big body on Jamison (let him shoot 3’s if he wants)….The Wizards have to play well for a full 48 minutes. There is no margin for errors, lapses in concentration, or long scoring droughts. They need to be comfortably ahead in the 4th Quarter, because there’s no one to create easy baskets or break down the opposing Defense.

When Arenas comes back, the Wizards should be able to start winning again – but by then it will be too late, in my opinion, for them to make the playoffs.

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by Rook6980 on Dec 1, 2008 6:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Let's look on the bright side...

At least this year no one is arguing that the Wizards are better without Arenas!

by Johnnie Futbol on Dec 1, 2008 7:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not with you jake

But I just don’t see where he’s coming from with the last part. Sure, the Wizards were without their two best point guards and their top center, but the Knicks were without their top shooting guard, top center, and they didn’t have the services of one of their top two point guards because he refused to play:

i’d argue david lee is their top center and nate robinson is their top two guard. knicks were rested so they played their top 5 available guys 40 minutes+ each. you can get away with that for one game.

Plus, the Wizards had two All-Stars and a full bench to compensate for their roster issues

you give the wizards bench too much credit.

4th game in 5 nights for wiz after losing a heartbreaker the night before to houston. even on a good night with the roster this year wiz at NY is a toss up as to who wins that one.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 1, 2008 7:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Technically, yes

Yes, David and Nate were the best center and shooting guard on the roster that night and they still probably are right now. I guess trying to compare the situations between the two teams is a bit skewed since they were created in different circumstances.

And just to clarify, the Knicks did play the night before and all 5 starters played at least 35 minutes and they lost quite handily to the Bucks so the Knicks weren’t exactly fresh either. I know the Wizards bench isn’t all that great, but I still think having mediocre players is better than not having players at all.

Maybe I’m overreacting, but I just don’t see how a team with the sense of urgency that a 1-9 team should have loses to a team that just traded their top two scorers and only played seven players, but I can see your side of the argument as well.

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by JakeTheSnake on Dec 1, 2008 9:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for clarifying

i missed that the knicks played the night before. that hurts my argument

I still think having mediocre players is better than not having players at all.

hmm… maybe that’s the crux of where we disagree. maybe later in the year, but it’s still early.

knicks had something they could do effectively (run and try to get to the hoop or jack up 3s), wiz are still searching for how to make several players on their roster effective.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 2, 2008 10:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Wizards are who we think they are

They suck! Face the facts fellas, Wizards are going to be bottom feeders this year. I would not even have Gil and Haywood play this year, even it they could. Bite the Bullet (pond intended) and take the high draft pick and try and trade Thomas to some team like the Mavs that think they are a player away from the title.

by LoneWiz54 on Dec 2, 2008 6:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

If We Suck So Much

How is it we are able to tie or take the lead in so many games in the 4th quarter? Sucky teams usually don’t have a chance come the 4th quarter. Compare the Wizards to a real sucky team like Oklahoma City. The Thunder have lost 16 games, and 12 of them were over by the time the 4th quarter started. That’s 75% of their losses where they never even threatened in the 4th quarter. Compare that to the Wizards, who like Jake said had led, tied, or were within one possession of the lead in the 4th quarter in 9 out of the 12 losses. That’s not what a terrible team looks like. In many of those games, it was only one or two poor decisions, by either the coach or the players, that cost us the game. If ET can correct those mistakes, this team can be a .500 team.

Think about it. If the Wizards are able to beat New Jersey tonight, then they’ll be 2-2 (.500) so far in the ET era. If they manage to play one game above .500 for ET the remainder of the season, they’ll be 37-45, the same record the Hawks had when they took the 8th seed in the East last season. How is that not possible? Shouldn’t that at least be a goal? Imagine getting a healthy Gilbert back by January, a healthy Brendan back by April, and then getting a 7 game series against the Celtics, a team we beat 3 out of 4 from last season? Isn’t that more worthwhile to hope for than a tanked season?

One more point:

Bite the Bullet (pond intended) and take the high draft pick and try and trade Thomas to some team like the Mavs that think they are a player away from the title.

If the Mavs were only one player away from the title, and they took on Etan, then they’d be two players away from the title, so it wouldn’t make sense for them. It’s simple mathematics.

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by cuppettcj on Dec 2, 2008 7:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Cuppettcj…I think for the first time I whole heartedly, enthusiastically, completely agree with you! In fact I found your post invigorating!

Although 37 wins probably won’t make the playoffs this year, I agree all is not lost yet.

I think a lot of our problems are momentum and confidence related. Turn those around and we could squeak in as an 8 seed with momentum on our side.

That is how you build a team, getting into the habit of winning. Not by tanking and showing players how to lose.

by MR on Dec 2, 2008 10:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Did Not Realize I Was So Disagreeable

I’ll take this as a compliment. Thanks. :)

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by cuppettcj on Dec 2, 2008 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

team should play to win, yes

but we do suck and we will lose. this is why i’m being so reactionary lately. people expect too much right now, especially EG.

for those that remember the harvey grant, michael adams, bernard king, pervis ellison years… wes unseld got the team to play hard every night and compete. they still struggled to win 30 games each year. and that team had all-star caliber players in bernard king and michael adams.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Dec 2, 2008 10:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well it's like this

You wrote

“How is it we are able to tie or take the lead in so many games in the 4th quarter? Sucky teams usually don’t have a chance come the 4th quarter. Compare the Wizards to a real sucky team like Oklahoma City. The Thunder have lost 16 games, and 12 of them were over by the time the 4th quarter started. That’s 75% of their losses where they never even threatened in the 4th quarter. Compare that to the Wizards, who like Jake said had led, tied, or were within one possession of the lead in the 4th quarter in 9 out of the 12 losses. That’s not what a terrible team looks like. In many of those games, it was only one or two poor decisions, by either the coach or the players, that cost us the game. If ET can correct those mistakes, this team can be a .500 team.”

And all I ask is what is the record Wins-1 losses – 12…can care less what they look like, how hard they play and really don’t care about a bunch of stats…the fact is based on the record, and that is all that counts (ask EJ) Wizards SUCK!!!! As for Mavs taking Thomas, there is no rationale behind that except hoping that they rescue Wizards from a salary cap situation like they did years ago when Wizards got Thomas from Mavs for Howard. IMO you are looking at the situation emotionally, it is OUR team. But if you look at thing realistically, Wizards have the worst backcourt in the NBA (based on statistics), they have no inside presence offensively nor defensively, and no one is an above average defensive player. I rather let the injured get healthy and get that high draft pick and a new coach/team attitude and look to go DEEP into the playoffs next year, instead of limping into them this year. JMTC

by LoneWiz54 on Dec 2, 2008 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Win margin can't be dismissed

Point differential is a huge indicator of future success. If you’re constantly playing close games, it means you’re close to being as good as the teams you play. No team keeps losing close games over an 82 game stretch. This has been proven time and time again.

Now, granted, it’s probably the difference between 2-12 and 4-10, but it’s true that we aren’t worst-team-in-the-league bad.

Consider this: We have the second-largest margin between our actual winning percentage and our expected winning percentage. Only New Jersey’s is higher, and it’s in the opposite direction.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 2, 2008 7:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I will say it again mainly because I just finished a Stats course not long ago

and I know you can spend them numbers to mean whatever you like. But the fact is, Wizards are 1-12 and I no one cares how good they look getting there. The point differential indicator only shows that they don’t have the players to finish/take over in key time periods of the 4th quarter. But what does that matter when you still pile up the L’s. The only stat that counts is W’s. If Wizards were say 11-2 and last in the NBA in total defensive stats do you think EJ would still be coaching this team? Of course he would because the only stat that matters is W’s and L’s

by LoneWiz54 on Dec 2, 2008 8:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're totally missing the point

The point is that, down the road, we probably won’t be this bad in terms of “the only stat that matters” because point differential is a huge indicator of future success/failure.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 2, 2008 9:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And you are missing the point that instead of limping into the playoffs

like we have the past 2 years, this is the time to revamp the team with a new coaching staff, a lottery pick and Gil and Haywood completely healthy…NEXT SEASON. I think the Wizards see things the way I do by giving Brown and McGee lots of mins and keeping Thomas butt on the bench. Time will tell if your stats lead to wins.

by LoneWiz54 on Dec 3, 2008 2:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why exactly do you think I'm missing that point

When I wrote a 5,000-word blog post (that I worked on for a good three days) about how to reload going forward, assuming we’d be in the lottery? Why would I do that if I felt it served our best interests to win 40 games and limp into the playoffs? Did you read that post yet?

Better yet, did you read this part of my previous comment?

Now, granted, it’s probably the difference between 2-12 and 4-10, but it’s true that we aren’t worst-team-in-the-league bad.

The ONLY point I’m making is that we won’t be this bad for the rest of the season. Based on our point differential, we’ll probably be mediocre to bad, but not horrific. We’re still a lottery team and should be treated as such. But you still stretched that narrow point to align me with cuppettcj and MR. The three of us are saying different things, yet you insist on putting us together. Maybe that’s why you often feel like everyone is arguing against you.

This is what bugs me about you sometimes. You literally talk past people and and attribute points of view to them that they don’t have. Doing that unnecessarily broadens the scope of the discussion.

If you want to argue about tanking vs. striving for 40 wins, do so with MR and cuppettcj. I’m not contending that point. All I’m saying is that, yes, point differential matters in figuring out how many games this team will win. You can’t dismiss it as some dumb stat because it plays a major role in future wins and losses.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Dec 3, 2008 2:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When I start my posting on th subject

I made a post giving MY OPINION. Then someone name cuppettcj addressed my post in a somewhat respectable manner, and I responded. Then you replied to one of my responses to cuppettcj. Now unless I can’t determine when someone is responding to individual posts on this site, I did not start an ‘arguement’ with anyone on this board. Have not posted here in some time so I don’t know how you can determine my manner of discussion and really can care less about the manner in which the Wizards create point diff. stats. Dispite last night’s win, I think they will continue to struggle and that Wizards will be a lottery team this season and in the long run witl be good for the organization….next year.

by LoneWiz54 on Dec 3, 2008 6:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You Can't Coach Defense

Staying in front of a man or rotating back to a pass to the wing are not Eddie Jordan’s fault. The Wizards aren’t interested in creating stops. They are interested in shots coming off the rim and running.

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by Stet Sports Blog on Dec 2, 2008 11:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes you can

What kind of nonsense is that, of course you can coach defense, but more importantly is creating a team culture of defense first, something EJ didn’t do. He spent most of practice working on offense and teaching the Princeton. The Wizards weren’t interested in defense because the manner in how EJ coached, not because of some innate instinct. Of course you can coach Defense, it’s whether or not the players buy into it.

by Fundefined on Dec 2, 2008 10:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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