Scattered thoughts on the Eddie Jordan firing
I said earlier that my thoughts on the firing of Eddie Jordan were scattered and to be honest, they still are, but I feel the need to say something so rather than try to collect them all into some garbled nonsense, here are those scattered thoughts in their raw form.
- It's kind of funny because I was actually planning on laying out why Eddie Jordan wouldn't be fired in the Knicks recap, but as I was typing it up, I lost my draft and when I re-typed it, I decided to skip that part. The main point of my argument was going to be that Ernie Grunfeld would not have spent all that money in the off-season to keep the core of the team together long term just to get rid of the coach less than a month into the season with 2/5ths of the starting lineup out. Today is another fine example of my gut instinct failing me.
- Another thing that I've learned in my life is that Kevin Broom is a far smarter man than I can ever hope to be. I would highly recommend checking out his thoughts on the issue.
- While I'm not sold on the timing of the decision, ultimately I agree with the move. I don't think that the team tuned Eddie out by any means, but it was clear that he wasnt getting what he used to out of his talent. Unless your name is Phil Jackson, Gregg Poppovich, or Jerry Sloan it's going to happen at some point or another. That's the reality of life as an NBA coach.
- It's been pretty clear this season that Antawn Jamison is not happy with certain people in the locker room. My fear is now that Eddie Jordan is gone that Antawn is going to start going nuclear on those people now that a man has lost his job. His comments after today's practice do nothing to dissuade this fear of mine:
An agitated Jamison (and he's almost never agitated) when asked by a TV talking head whether Jordan "deserved it" : "Next question."
Was he shocked: "I was shocked. Why would I not be shocked?"
Reporter: "Because the team is 1-10 sometimes that happens when a team is 1-10."
Jamison: "The team is 1-10, not the coaching staff. Next question."More Jamison: "As players you take the responsibility for going out there and getting the job done and we didn't get it done. Unfortunately they got rid of coach and we have to take it from there."
- Speaking of Jamison, it was kind of odd to see him rocking an Undrcrwn O-Face tee today after practice. Somehow I get the feeling when he put on that shirt this morning and thought about change that he wasn't thinking about a change at head coach.
- According to Ernie, Ed Tapscott will be the interim head coach for the rest of the season. I'll take Ernie at his word that that's the case, but I'm with Ziller in thinking that Ed Tapscott won't be the long term solution as coach. I liked what he had to say during the press conference today, but it doesn't take much of coaching pedigree to identify the issues with this team right now. Until I see otherwise, there's nothing that I see that would lead me to believe that he'll be anything more than a caretaker for Grunfeld until he finds a long-term solution.
- As for who I'd like to see take the reigns long term, I'm probably crazy, but I'd really like to see Avery Johnson get the job. I know he lost his team near the end of his tenure, but I'm pretty sure he's aware of that. Why not give him a chance to show that he's learned from those mistakes? If he can overcome that, there's not a lot in his coaching ability left to criticize. But that's just my two cents. The other two names that I've heard tossed around a lot (Flip Saunders and Tom Thibodeau) would also be nice selections, in my opinion.
- As he rides off into the sunset in that 2008 Mercedes Benz Silver GL with black leather interior, I've got a lot of good memories from the Eddie Jordan era. It may not have ended the way that anyone wanted, but I think when we look back at this era years from now, we'll look back at this era fondly. I think UM put it best:
He was never able to get this team over the hump, but he’ll be remembered more for the good he did for this franchise. He’s a good man, a solid coach and a great Washingtonian, but it was time to move in a new direction.
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Any idea what it's going to be like with Tapscott
in the meantime?
by hibachi on
Nov 25, 2008 12:59 AM EST
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The long term solution is Tom Thibodeaux
It’s got to be him considering that the Wiz hired him for 5 seconds last year before he realized what’s happening and hightailed it to Boston.
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by George Templeton on
Nov 25, 2008 1:41 AM EST
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he would want to come back now that its worse?
by joshp on
Nov 25, 2008 2:38 AM EST
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Yes
And here is why:
All in all, I think it is a very good situation for any potential head coach to walk into. I don’t think this team is as bad as 1-10. I don’t expect a dramatic turnaround this season, but with a good head coach and some time to heal, this club can be very dangerous in 2009-10.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on
Nov 25, 2008 9:23 AM EST
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You're right
But it all depends on whether Arenas can come back close to what he was before the injuries.
If Arenas comes back hitting 3’s, driving to the rim, dishing to teammates, and drawing a lot of fouls – then there’s not a coach (Assistant or otherwise) that wouldn’t want a chance to be the head coach of the Wizards. Ernie will have his pick of numerous quality candidates.
If Arenas comes back dragging the leg, with no explosiveness; unable to drive to the rim; like the end of last year – then Ernie’s gonna have trouble finding ANYONE to take that head coaching job.
Having Brendan back is big. The opportunity to coach two All-Star Forwards (CB3 & AJ) is big. Barring a miracle, the Wizards will have a Lottery draft pick – that should be a big incentive. A mix of savvy Vets (AJ, CB3, Arenas, Songaila, Haywood) along with some very talented youngsters (Young, Blatche, McGee and the 2009 first round pick) should also be appealing to any potential Coach -
But if Arenas is done – so are the Wizards – for a long long time….. There’s no Head Coach that would want the job then.
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by Rook6980 on
Nov 25, 2008 3:12 PM EST
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Anybody remember these days?
Member these days:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF4lTUOXWuk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKCQEF1Sa8Y
Or these: :*( warning very emotional painful watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atvzq5mhoAo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm2XO28YRYU
No more, I didnt even wanna show you another mind blowing mix of Agent 0, it blows all this away but whats the point
Anyway will we see these days again?
by Unxpekted on
Nov 25, 2008 2:39 AM EST
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This is a Bullets day
But I’ll always have fond memories for Eddie in his first coaching stint. I think his interim stint in Sacramento gave him a raw deal, and his time in Washington proved he’s at least better than 2/3 of the coaches in the NBA (including Nate McMillan). That being said, it’s explainable that the Bullets would have fired him, and for whatever reason, it’s time to move on.
If the Bullets went forwad with Flip Saunders, does that work as a rebound coach?
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by pookeyguru on
Nov 25, 2008 8:17 AM EST
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He seems to be the guy whose name is getting tossed around the most
I know that I can definitely rule out Jeff Van Gundy after Grunfeld lost a power struggle with him in New York in 1999. A league source basicially ruled out any chance of that reunion occurring, citing their past history and Van Gundy’s very complicated contract with ESPN/ABC, which would make it difficult for him to leave the booth (which isn’t so bad since he’s so enjoyable as an announcer; Van Gundy is miserable as a coach).
His former top assistant Tom Thibodeau would definitely be a top candidate if Celtics were able to repeat as champions or simply reach the NBA Finals again.
Avery Johnson has a great record, but I have a very hard time seeing Arenas having fun playing for such a demanding and stubborn coach — especially one so focused on defense.
Saunders perhaps makes the most sense of the unemployed coaches, since he has had success everywhere he’s been, and he is very creative offensively, something a team with weapons like Arenas, Butler and Antawn Jamison would probably enjoy.
I’d still prefer Avery (if we can Arenas on board with him) or Thibodeau, but if the Wizards ended up with Flip, I’d be alright with that.
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by JakeTheSnake on
Nov 25, 2008 10:21 AM EST
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I think Avery's very overrated
Without Cuban spending a shitton of money, I don’t think he would have won anything. I also think his coaching cost the Mavs the title in 06.
But as a Les Boulez fan, you’re entitled to what you want.
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by pookeyguru on
Nov 25, 2008 3:35 PM EST
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Also Jake
I think Lee’s point hit it right on the money:
More importantly, this job is really only attractive if Gilbert Arenas can return to something close to his old form. If he comes back looking like Penny Hardaway 2.0, most big-name coaches would be frightened by the challenge of winning while being dragged down by $111 million salary-cap-inhaling contract. A healthy Arenas changes the game completely and let’s Grunfeld really have his choice.
So who’s next really depends on what’s next from the franchise player.
He also mentioned he thought Jordan was a better coach, for the Wizards at this point in time, than Flip Saunders which I found to be incredibly interesting. There are times where I have thought highly of Flip, but his problems in Detroit really have soured a ton of people on him.
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by pookeyguru on
Nov 25, 2008 3:40 PM EST
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So back to what we all kind of knew deep down
everything depends on gilbert’s health.
by little stevie colter on
Nov 25, 2008 3:43 PM EST
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Doesn't health mean everything in this league?
I’m still shocked Gilbert Arenas got a fat extension considering his injury problems. But that’s me. There were teams out there who would have moved heaven & earth to get him too. So maybe Les Boulez aren’t the only team that would have Gilbert around.
I think maybe Gilbert is in Grant Hill territory, where the Bullets must make an organizational decision to not let him play this season because he isn’t healthy enough to do so, and might sustain long term damage if he does. Forget the draft pick, if you don’t get him right, he won’t be worth what you paid him, and the draft pick will be another long rebuilding process for Bullets fans. (I refuse to call them the Zards. Sorry. It was a dumb name when Pollin changed it in 97, and it’s a dumb name today. For 33 years it was the Bullets. The Homicide rate is a problem in DC I realize. PC Police still deserve to go to hell for that one.)
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by pookeyguru on
Nov 25, 2008 3:58 PM EST
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It's pretty much the lynchpin
If Gilbert can show that he’s back to 100% or close to it, the Wizards the Wizards will have a very coveted position because of all the offensive talent they have to work with. Of course, if Gilbert doesn’t come back at 100% and they remain completely awful and get the top pick, it still might be a coveted spot, who knows.
As far as the whole Eddie/Flip debate goes, the way both his stints ended doesn’t give me warm, fuzzy feelings about Flip, but he seems to have a good grasp of defense which this team sorely needs. I don’t think he’d do a better job coming in midseason than Eddie would because it’s hard to implement new schemes mid-season, but in the long-term he’d be a better fit, if that makes any sense.
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by JakeTheSnake on
Nov 25, 2008 4:31 PM EST
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Yeah I get your points
I guess I’m not sold (not that it really matters since I’m a Kings fan) that Flip is the type of coach that will work this team. If there is any coach who I think it makes the most sense, I agree with TZ that Thibodeau would be the best fit, assuming he doesn’t have JVG’s personality.
In otherwords Jake, I guess I really see Michael Lee’s point in all this. I wonder what underlying issue’s that are going on with Les Boulez that drove this firing, other than the obvious poor performances. And I wonder if it had anything to do with differing opinions on Gil’s return. (Keep in mind I can be a conspiracy theorist.)
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by pookeyguru on
Nov 25, 2008 6:16 PM EST
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I feel you
Ernie Grunfeld hasn’t been a guy to make the quick fix during his career, so I wouldn’t be surprised if there was more going on than we’re aware of. I know back when the Wizards were trying to bring Thibodeau in as the top assistant that there were some rumors that all wasn’t well between them and I think that was part of the reason why Thibodeau decided to avoid the awkwardness altogether and go to Boston. I wouldn’t be shocked at all if the Gilbert Arenas injury caused some divisiveness as well.
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by JakeTheSnake on
Nov 25, 2008 10:57 PM EST
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Comparing to Grant Hill
You are substituting for a medical analysis. I am not a medical pro, but I don’t think just because one guy is out with a knee problem that you can assume he will react the same as a different guy who was out for a completely different problem.
by MR on
Nov 25, 2008 5:42 PM EST
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Medically you are correct
But Gil has chronic issue’s, and Hill had the same thing with his ankle. Basically, what I’m getting at is that sometimes rest at the right time is what does the trick. But, medically you are totally correct. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
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by pookeyguru on
Nov 25, 2008 6:13 PM EST
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Let me clarify some of the things
When Hill went down, I read something (I forget by who) that said something to the effect that the Pistons would have sat Hill down for the whole year because they knew how really bad his ankle was. I think maybe that’s what’s going on with Gil, and management doesn’t want anybody to know yet before it’s painfully obvious. Selling tix is still a priority yes?
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by pookeyguru on
Nov 25, 2008 6:19 PM EST
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I don't really think it's the case
I can’t imagine management lying to the fans about it, and I really really can’t imagine Gilbert lying to the fans about it.
by MR on
Nov 25, 2008 6:24 PM EST
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You got a point
Plus, as Bullets fans, don’t you want the team taking precautions with Gil? I know I would.
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by pookeyguru on
Nov 25, 2008 7:08 PM EST
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I can’t imagine management lying to the fans
they’ve already done it several times.
by DarrellWalkerFan on
Nov 25, 2008 10:34 PM EST
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No, but
You can only have your knee scoped so many times before it permanently effects your performance. Removing cartilage, moving cartilage around, these things can only happen so many times. I think – if we are dedicating the year to development – then it might be a wise idea to let Gil sit and fully heal
Its always Roger Mason (Jr.) time!
by ledellforlife on
Nov 25, 2008 8:46 PM EST
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Time will tell...
The next few months will be a time of teaching, testing and perhaps trading as the WIzards begin to redistribute playing time and otherwise realign the mix of players that will surround CB and AJ now, and GA and BTH as well, upon their return. By February we should begin to get a sense of how deep into the lottery we are likely to go, and also what the predicted lottery picks actually look like playing with their current college or Euro teams.
Ed Tapscott is by virute of his own skills and his closeness to EG the logical person to perform this somewhat complex and delicate task. This is not going to be easy because there is not much wriggle room financially, there is not much market for the players that we would perhaps be most interested in shedding, and no one has confused the talent pool for the coming draft with the one from last year.
You have to play as best you can with the hand you have been dealt, however, and at the end of his otherwise very good run here, Eddie Jordan was either unable or unwilling to do this.
by khrabb on
Nov 25, 2008 10:52 AM EST
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Celtics
Tom Thibodeau will only come if the Celtics don’t defend their crown.
by Fundefined on
Nov 25, 2008 6:23 PM EST
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