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Apparently Juan Dixon had a bet to see how many times he could avoid passing the ball to Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison down the stretch.

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I finally realized what happened tonight

Eddie Jordan bought into Gilbert’s tanking theory. Play great basketball for 3 quarters, and put in some scrubs in the 4th and lose the game. I’ve never seen such a good sense of job security.

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by Evander holyfield on Nov 21, 2008 10:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Juan was a problem but...

Eddie left him out there. Eddie put Etan out there and squandered their cushion. I’m struck by how much Eddie seems to shrug off or ignore the value of the role of the traditional center and PG. He constantly underestimated the value of BTH until his hand was forced. He seems to have to be dragged to realizing the value of Brown as guy who can control the pace in their current situation seemingly because he is not a real offensive threat. He seems to forget that Dixon’s best moment as a Wizard were with Steve Blake on the floor as distributer. He also seem hell bent ongiving Dixon minutes when he should be focusing on giving NY minutes.

Also, sadly I think Etan is done.

by NeverNervousPervis on Nov 21, 2008 11:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This team just keeps finding more ways to lose.

It’s really sad; I can’t believe this team is 1-9. They seem to be in almost every game, yet they just can’t pull out another victory. Houston is a good team, but they were pretty bad for 3/4 of the game. Very disappointing…

by Matt K. on Nov 21, 2008 11:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i think the biggest problem

out of many, is point guard.
there was some spirited debate about dixon in the game thread – but there can be no denying that he’s just not an offensive initiator, despite his size. he fools you because he looks like a point guard, but he actually is reminding me of a mini-DeShawn Stevenson, of whom 1 is more than enough, thank you.
the team is so stagnant and/or prone to bad shots that make you say HUH?? even with blatche stepping it up, mcgee progressing, jamison and butler playing well – there is no catalyst. and it shows.
defense, rebounding are both issues, but the fact that there is no one on the roster who can run the team to me is first and foremost the reason why the wiz suck right now.

by little stevie colter on Nov 21, 2008 11:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Can Eddie Learn? Apparently not.

As I posted before – Eddie needs to cut down the rotation to 8 or 9 guys…
(NOT including Juan Dixon)….

And I’ve changed my mind about Dee Brown. When he is in the game, the Offense moves; the players move; the ball moves. The Offense starts several seconds earlier (since Dee rushes the ball up the court) – giving the Princeton a few more seconds to run – before settling for a jumper or an Iso. Watch the next time Dee is in the game, the Wizards are quickly into their Offense with 20 or 19 seconds left on the shot clock. Those few extra seconds, allow for one more cut, or one more screen or one more back door.

When Dixon is in the game, the ball stops; Dixon dribbles, Dixon dribbles some more…. Players don’t move; the ball is stationary. The Offense starts with about 10 seconds left on the Shot Clock.

I sort of understand playing Songaila in the 4th quarter, since Blatche had 4 fouls and I think McGee had 3 or 4 as well. I think Eddie was trying to buy some time, while Yao Ming was on the bench – but I cannot understand playing Thomas against Yao in the 4th Quarter. With Tomas on Yao, the Wizards had to try to help down low, leaving Houston’s outside shooters open; specifically McGrady. It was a flawed Defensive strategy to put Thomas on Yao Ming late in the game.

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by Rook6980 on Nov 21, 2008 11:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Watching the Wizards . . .

run around the perimeter like chickens with their heads cut off only for the possesion to end with Tracy McGrady (!) wide open for a trey was more than I can stand. I am starting to think it is time for Blake Griffin/Ricky Rubio updates.

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by George Templeton on Nov 22, 2008 1:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

AND

rogermasonjrscores29pointstonight

by little stevie colter on Nov 21, 2008 11:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Roger with 7 made threes, 4 rebounds and 2 assists as well.

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by Rook6980 on Nov 21, 2008 11:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes he did.

and good for him. love the guy, and i guess i believe the notion that the wiz had to let him walk.
if dixon was that kind of a gunner, then ok. but mason is sooooo much more efficient.

and, just to start trouble – mason>dixon ergo HOOS>TURTLES!

by little stevie colter on Nov 21, 2008 11:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The good news

Tomorrow we play the Knicks and they’ll be without a lot of players tomorrow because of their two trades today, so we should have a good chance tomorrow against what should be a skeleton crew.

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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 11:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Gut reaction

I’m going to wait until I see the game flow tomorrow and a few other things, but my gut reaction to why the Wizards lost is threefold:

1.) Rebounding has been, and continues to be, a problem. I discussed this a bit in another fanpost at some point, but right now the Wizards don’t have anyone who can rebound consistently outside of Antawn Jamison. McGee still needs development time, Blatche has been too inconsistent this year, Thomas is either done or gets a pass on this year, and none of their guards are up to the task.

2.) Eddie Jordan places too much trust in the wrong players. In general, a coach who trusts his players and puts them in positions to succeed is a good thing. However, both in the past and so far this season, the players he’s trusted have done little-to-nothing to deserve it. Michael Ruffin is the example that everyone here loves/hates to bring up, and this season we’ve seen players like Darius Songaila and, tonight especially, Juan Dixon get much more PT than their play warrants.

3.) The younger players haven’t done enough to earn EJ’s trust. Like most everyone here, Andray Blatche, Nick Young and JaVale McGee excite the hell out of me. I’ve discovered that I get a smile on my face just wartching McGee run up and down the court. I’ll be purchasing a “Monumental Air” shirt at some point. But right now, realistically, it can be tough to argue for a lot of playing time for them. McGee is a talented but still raw rookie who can’t handle legit NBA centers defensively yet. Blatche still has a habit of making questionable decisions with the ball. As well has he played tonight, he still picked up 5 fouls in 20 minutes, as did McGee. Nick Young is emerging as a solid bench scorer, but he’ll still have some rough shooting nights and won’t scare anyone defensively. Dee Brown, who should be taking some of Dixon’s minutes, has earned EJ’s trust enough to start, but he’s not enough of a scorer to see the floor at the end of games.

Add them up, and you get McGee and Blatche sitting late because Jordan didn’t want them to foul out, which leads to Songaila playing too many minutes at the wrong position, which further compounds the problem of not being able to rebound Wizards misses.

As I see it, there aren’t many easy solutions to these problems. 1 and 3 can really only be solved with time (letting McGee develop and waiting for his and Blatche’s rebounding to improve). When those happen, 2 shouldn’t be as much of an issue.

I don’t think the Wizards should throw in the towel on the season (and I also think Arenas’ comments were somewhat overblown, though that’s a separate topic), but as rough as this stretch has been I think it’s been helpful for giving the team and its fans a clear picture of what this roster offers.

by Jon L on Nov 22, 2008 12:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Doubling Yao

I think an even bigger problem than not getting Caron/Jamison the ball down the stretch was our decisions on defense.

Call me crazy, but I’d rather see Yao go one on one than to see the Rockets (McGrady mostly) shoot 4 wide open threes. That will happen when you double Yao. Let McGee/Blatche get his 6th foul.

IN ALL HONESTY, I didn’t even think the Wiz would be within 15 of this team the entire game… Didn’t think it would be close. But they surprise you, then let you down. I’m happy with how well they played the entire game. And hopefully they can learn some lessons about decision-making down the stretch.

Once again we learn that the Wiz make awful decisions down the stretch, both offensively and defensively.

GET JAMISON THE FREAKING BALL.

by se7en on Nov 22, 2008 3:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not double Yao?

Did we watch the same game? Every time we didn’t double Yao he got a dunk/layup/2 foot shot. We had to double, no question.

by MR on Nov 22, 2008 6:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong

Blatche played great D on Yao. Many times deny him the pass or forcing him to catch the ball a step or two further than he wanted to.

by zeke5123 on Nov 22, 2008 12:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, since Blatche had five fouls and wasn't in

I agree, we needed to double Yao.

I’m about to write this recap, and I think Blatche’s fouls really hurt tonight.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Nov 22, 2008 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that

is where we miss haywood. he gave us a chance to guard guys like yao one-on-one.

yao was dominant. he only had like 18 points, but he was doing whatever he wanted. when we guarded him one on one, he scored with ease. when we doubled him, he either got fouled, or kicked to the perimeter, leading to an open jumper

by joshp on Nov 22, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and

mcgee was the guy getting abused by yao most often, so maybe we ought to tone down the javale hype

by joshp on Nov 22, 2008 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No thanks

One of the best centers in the game abused a rookie? So what? The Wizards still had a chance to win and McGee went at Yao a few times on offense as well. I’m still impressed by him.

by Matt K. on Nov 22, 2008 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

meh

im not that impressed. he still plays defense like he can block every shot and soar over everyone for rebounds. he gives up too many easy shots and offensive board because of it. offensively, hes been impressive, but defensively hes a liability.

by joshp on Nov 22, 2008 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

*buzzer rings*

Wrong answer. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

Wizards defensive efficiency with JaVale McGee on the court: 105 (would be 15th in the league)
Wizards defensive efficiency with JaVale McGee off the court: 114.9 (would be last by almost 1.5 points).

Of course, Blatche also has good defensive on/off numbers, so I think most of it is how bad Etan Thomas has been. Still, JaVale is hardly a liability defensively.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Nov 22, 2008 6:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

forgive me

the rockets game was the first game ive been able to watch all season, and the mcgee i saw on defense was the sam mcgee we watched and groaned about in summer league. reaching out to EVERY shot and trying to out jump everyone for rebounds instead of boxng out

by joshp on Nov 22, 2008 6:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

corrections

same mcgee
reaching out to BLOCK every shot

by joshp on Nov 22, 2008 6:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The fact is, this is not a good team

Jordan’s decisions look bad because this is a bad team, period. No defense and NO rebounding, other than Jamison. Yes folks, Mr. Haywood was one of the most valuable members of this team because he played defense that covered for everyone else not being able to and if he did not get the rebound, his size allowed Jamison to use his quickness and out quick NBA powerforwards to the ball. Without Haywood,

1) We find that no one on the Wizards are even average defensive players
2) Wizards do not have a NBA caliber power forward (AJ is not a power forward)
3) No Wizard wants to nor do they have the ability to do the ‘dirty’ work under the basket

Finally, the Wizards will look to get the low post player needed to balance this roster in the off season. Too bad it will be in the form of the NBA’s #1 draft pick. This has nothing to do with having or not having a point guard. Wizards have not had a point guard for years. This system does not have a need for a traditional point guard. Right now guys are trying to do and play the same way they do when Haywood is on the floor and you can’t do that. Haywood’s size alone, made things so much easier for this team is just not notice by many because Haywood is hand tied by EJ over zealous guard play and 3 point shot fascination. I will say it again, time for the Blake Griffin watch. He will look excellent besides Haywood and AJ, with a new coach next year. JMTC

by LoneWiz54 on Nov 22, 2008 6:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

get Etan and Dixon out of there

Put NY and Pecherov and McGuire in. This team is toast. Even if GA comes back (and the date is getting pushed back again), it doesn’t matter. And Etan has done nothing but get worse since he signed that big contract. What’s the difference between McGee, Blatche, and Thomas? McGee is improving. The other two are regressing since signing 5-year deals.

by billyjoe on Nov 22, 2008 6:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thomas

is still working back from OPEN HEART SURGERY. He was out of basketball for a year. His body is still healing. Why does everyone around here think he can only regress? If he were out for a year with a knee injury we would expect him to have to play his way back and everyone would be a lot more patient. He was a decent player two years ago, and hopefully he can get back to that again.

by MR on Nov 22, 2008 7:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK

But whatever the reason, he’s still no good. There isn’t a layup he can’t miss.

by billyjoe on Nov 22, 2008 7:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thomas' recovery...

I think you are wrong that we should be more patient. If he is hurting the team get him off the court. I agree that he may round into shape later and be a contibutor, let him contribute then. He seems like a good guy, but he has interests off the court and lots of money and his health, his life could be worse. In the meantime, we should keep in mind that he was not a quality center even at the top of his game, and cost us games even when in good basketball condition.

As far as doubling Yao goes, JVG said last night he would play Yao straight up last night, that doubling him was killing the Wizards. I think that’s right. Front him, push him out to the degreee you can, try to deny him the ball, but don’t leave guys open for three just to double him.

by NeverNervousPervis on Nov 22, 2008 7:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just don't have the pieces

I was screaming to get Dixon out of the game last night too, but that just highlights the degree to which this team no longer has the pieces it needs. AD is worn down, thrashed by years of playing the game hard (mad respect to him for that). Dee Brown is more of a pure point, but the dude is a short second-round pick who spent last season overseas. We aren’t exactly talking about Chris Paul Light or anything here.

Likewise, Center is a hole for us. JaVale is gonna keep showing flashes and keep making rookie mistakes. Of course Yao was going to have a good game against him. Blatche actually played real well last night, I thought, but he’s better as a power forward. Etan has gone from a legit backup to a rusty backup. Eddie can’t coach his way around those problems.

We’re a team with two good forwards, no reliable point, streaky shooting guards, and a project in the middle. That’s not a good team, period.

by sierradave on Nov 22, 2008 10:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Most of all...

It’s the guards… I watched the Spurs take apart the Jazz last night. Roger Mason was not the only Spurs guard who lit up the Alamo Dome. Ancient Michael Finley was rolling and young George Hill, in for Tony Parker, is light years ahead of anyone in our backcourt. Even with Gil, we need another force in the backcourt and it almost has to be Nick Young. Without Gil, well, we ought to be considering an acquisition.

And before we write off Pecherov completely, take a look at what Matt Bonner did for the Spurs yesterday. Two big three pointers in the second quarter (Jazz were ahead at the time) and since the opposing defense had to worry about his outside shot, the next time he saw action he had room and time to penetrate. Big guys with outside shots open up the court.

This is going to be a REALLY long winter.

by khrabb on Nov 22, 2008 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Are we a competitive club or a lottery-bound club?

In the NBA, there are clubs that when they are failing, get out there and make serious roster and personnel changes. Those are the competitive clubs. The teams that at most are out of contention for a year or two, because if their formula isn’t working they work tirelessly to find a new one that will get them back to the league’s elite. Then there are the teams that are content to be perpetual lottery-teams, like the Grizzlies. When they are losing, they sit back and wait because they don’t give one flying fark about the team as long as there is some revenue coming in.
This is a good year for us as Wizards fans to guide our team one way or the other. We are a bad team and if we as fans decide we want to be one of those competitive teams, we need to put pressure on the organization to shake things up and quit sitting on the same roster and same coach and expecting different results.

by morethesamewiz on Nov 22, 2008 12:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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