Open Thread: Regular season game 10 vs. Houston Rockets
by Mike Prada on Nov 21, 2008 6:38 PM EST
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Houston Rockets at Washington Wizards, Nov 21, 2008 7:00 PM EST
Even in the best of times, Houston has owned us recently. They swept us in each of the last three years, including a blowout win in Houston last year that may have been the low point of the season. Without Brendan Haywood, this will be JaVale McGee's wake-up call to the NBA. I'm curious to see how he passes it.
Everyone's going for the Rockets, including the Great Wall, Crazy Pills and McGimpy. Ivan Carter's saying Antonio Daniels will play tonight, but Dee Brown will start. If that's not an insult to AD, I don't know what is. (For the record, I support it, but man, how do you think that makes him feel).
Check out new SB Nation site The Dream Shake for the opposing view. They still think AD and Etan are starting, but otherwise, they're funny. Read them.
And, oh joy, we're on ESPN. I bet they wish they could take that matchup back.
Game's at 7. Let's hope we don't lose by more than 20.
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yay for getting embarrassed on TNT
better get drinking early.
by hibachi on Nov 21, 2008 7:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The good thing about being ESPN
If JaVale has a big highlight, it’ll get more play.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
have we sunk so low
as to just hope that we get a top 10 play on sportscenter?
by joshp on Nov 21, 2008 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More or less.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a nice start
If it was a Thursday, it might make it, but there’s too many games tonight for that to be Top 10.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm ready -
but tomorrow, losing to the knicks with NO players, is going to hurt. they done blown that team up.
by little stevie colter on Nov 21, 2008 7:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pech is inactive tonight
Dang. He could’ve really padded his stats tonight in garbage time.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That Ron Artest dunk
That might be Top 10.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great
I think we’ll regret missing those layups later on.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wow a twan dunk... whens the last time that happened?
by SidVicious25 on Nov 21, 2008 7:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Probably last year
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jamison!
That might make it. (Ron’s dunk was better though.)
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That was nice
We might have the monopoly on the Top 10 by the end of the 1st quarter.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lebron isnt playing tonight
so we dont have to worry about him stealing all the spots with dunks that arent all that great
by hibachi on Nov 21, 2008 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he looked a little tired after the timeout
idk
by hibachi on Nov 21, 2008 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess
They’re trying to keep whoever is guarding Yao fresh. Let’s hope that it doesn’t employ using Songaila.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yay!
The Rockets might be combusting!
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
they caught shane picking his nose
I guess that’s better than catching blatche farting…
by hibachi on Nov 21, 2008 7:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Better for those surrounding him
Not necessarily better for the person perpetrator.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When did Stevenson become Chris Paul?
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He's got 4 assists already!
!!!
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nine
It came against the Clippers in 2001.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didnt see that coming
stevenson is really trying to pass tonight
by SidVicious25 on Nov 21, 2008 7:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
anyone notice
that rick adelman looks just like shooter from hoosiers
by joshp on Nov 21, 2008 7:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
To be honest it’s kinda freaking me out, but not as much as that usher that claims to be Shane Battier.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why did I think
this game started at 7:30? Argh.
by Jon L on Nov 21, 2008 7:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i like it
blatche resisted the urge to bring up the ball
by SidVicious25 on Nov 21, 2008 7:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yao is out
Now the Wiz really, really have to strike.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
When I say out
I just mean that he’s getting a breather. He’s not injured.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
But he hasn’t looked very good so far.
by Matt K. on Nov 21, 2008 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wasnt he injured their last game?
maybe its still bothering him
by SidVicious25 on Nov 21, 2008 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think so
I know he’s been dealing with something recently, I don’t remember the specifics.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah it was a sore left foot
i just looked it up
by SidVicious25 on Nov 21, 2008 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
It’s tough to tell with him these days
by hibachi on Nov 21, 2008 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
As soon as I posted that I realized there could be some confusion.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
Either that or the 2nd Q against the Pistons.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hallelujah
We didn’t give up a deep 3 to end the quarter.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
69%?
As great as that is, it’s pretty much the definition of “unsustainable.”
by Jon L on Nov 21, 2008 7:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Rick Adelman is not happy at all. What a funny interview…
by Matt K. on Nov 21, 2008 7:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
is it Baron Von Wafer?
or just plain old Von Wafer?
by little stevie colter on Nov 21, 2008 7:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just good ol' Von Wafer
Baron Von Wafer would be a sweet name though.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what in the world is blatche doing there
by hibachi on Nov 21, 2008 7:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How can they count that basket?
Ridiculous…
by Matt K. on Nov 21, 2008 7:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ive always said refs hate the wiz
i just dont know why
by SidVicious25 on Nov 21, 2008 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did JaVale just pull that in one handed?
Not a style you should use all the time, but that was awesome.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 7:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why are we getting outplayed by what van gundy calls
“the smallest lineup in the history of the nba”
by hibachi on Nov 21, 2008 7:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's too bad
he has to guard Yao on the other end.
(or not guard him, and try for the block instead)
by Jon L on Nov 21, 2008 7:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
rebounding appears to be an issue
by little stevie colter on Nov 21, 2008 7:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They seemed to be trying in the first quarter.
Definitely not the same intensity right now.
by Matt K. on Nov 21, 2008 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, this is more like the game I was expecting.
by Jon L on Nov 21, 2008 7:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Landry
We should probably try to stop that guy.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 8:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes
4 fouls on Artest. I can live with that.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 8:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Incidentally
I’d love to see a staring contest between McGrady and Greg Oden.
by Jon L on Nov 21, 2008 8:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think
Everyone wins in contest like that
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Halftime viewing
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 8:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
saw the earlier today
hilarious stuff
by SidVicious25 on Nov 21, 2008 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I usually check actual box scores and sites to see who is starting
But I had no time today so I trusted ESPN. I should know better
My boys looked much better in the second quarter
by UofTOrange on Nov 21, 2008 8:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's cool
The Wizards are so irrelevant right now it takes a few days for news to find its way out to the rest of the world.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
I’m guessing Eddie just wanted to get AD in a rhythm, but that is odd to see him not get any minutes.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
not like he’s the kind of guy to get in a coach’s dog house
by little stevie colter on Nov 21, 2008 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JVG speaks on the environment
Alrighty then.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 8:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jamison is frying Scola
They need to keep going to that well…
by Matt K. on Nov 21, 2008 8:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
Hopefully there not just feeding him the ball to compensate for last night.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not necessarily complainin'
but also no Etan i think
by little stevie colter on Nov 21, 2008 8:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
and no songaila at C
looks like eddie is tightening the rotation tonight
by SidVicious25 on Nov 21, 2008 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's just because of Yao.
Smallball isn’t dead…
by Matt K. on Nov 21, 2008 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
4 on javale
looks like blatche is getting minutes at the 5
by little stevie colter on Nov 21, 2008 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Eddie’s been going to the 9-man rotation so far, but McGee just picked up his 4th, so we’ll see if that changes anything.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There are good nights and there are bad nights
This is a good night for Andray Blatche.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 8:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
at least ESPN
is getting a better game than expected
by little stevie colter on Nov 21, 2008 8:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah not pretty
but they are playing like they care
by little stevie colter on Nov 21, 2008 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The best way to describe the current pace is..
Frantic. Very, very frantic.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 8:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mcguire
Remember all the summer buzz about Dominic McGuire? He has 3 pts and 12 rbds in 64 mins for the first 9 games of the year. He was inactive Wednesday and has not played yet tonight.
by morethesamewiz on Nov 21, 2008 8:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe that's because he
was playing against other summer league players.
by Matt K. on Nov 21, 2008 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I think part of that has been that EJ has had to rely on Caron with the injuries, but it’s disappointing that we haven’t seen more out of Taser so far.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That
Would’ve been a Top 10 play.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jamison has 14 free throw attempts and 26 points.
Good work.
by Matt K. on Nov 21, 2008 8:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like what Blatche is doing tonight too.
14 points (6-8 shooting)
by Matt K. on Nov 21, 2008 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oooooo
Pretty play by Caron.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 8:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'm thinking
With the bigs in foul trouble and Yao out of the game, now is probably the best time to use him.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And you know who else I wouldn't mind seeing right now?
Taser.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Memo to the team
If there are less than 10 seconds on the shotclock, don’t pass it to Dixon.
by Jon L on Nov 21, 2008 9:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one who thought that was going in?
by Matt K. on Nov 21, 2008 9:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Welcome to life as a Wizards fan.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Alright
7 point lead. Let’s close it out.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 9:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
For anyone wondering
DeShawn is up to 7 assists.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 9:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They did a wax figure for Shaq
I bet that took a lot of bees.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 9:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Darius Songaila guarding Ron Artest
What could possibly go wrong?
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 9:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What team am I watching?
The uniforms look the same…
by Jon L on Nov 21, 2008 9:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This might be the worst defensive unit we have
and thats saying something
by SidVicious25 on Nov 21, 2008 9:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And yet
They’re doing okay out there.
Is there a full moon tonight?
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Waning crescent. Dang.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
surprised me
for sure. darius is showing that famous lithuanian passion
by little stevie colter on Nov 21, 2008 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and worst offensive unit
quite a combo
by little stevie colter on Nov 21, 2008 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not by a long shot
dixon songaila and yougn can all shoot
by SidVicious25 on Nov 21, 2008 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great job by that lineup
Buying Blatche, McGee, Jamison, and Butler some minutes…
by Matt K. on Nov 21, 2008 9:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I've noticed that
He’s gotten a lot more burn tonight than Nick, but I can’t blame Eddie, he’s been playing well tonight.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Smallball giveth
And smallball taketh away.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 9:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Juan Dixon is making me scream
And please take Etan out of the game.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Nov 21, 2008 9:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What about now?
8 points, big shots. Glad to have him back.
by KShark28 on Nov 21, 2008 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All three announcers
seem surprised that this is a good game. Though I’m not sure if they’re more or less surprised than we are.
by Jon L on Nov 21, 2008 9:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm in utter shock
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Nov 21, 2008 9:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That's a good call though
Butler definitely traveled…
by Matt K. on Nov 21, 2008 9:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So close
McGee almost threw that down over Yao…
by Matt K. on Nov 21, 2008 9:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why
Jamison always settles for that shot late in the game and he always misses it.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 9:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can't remember ever saying this
but it might be time to get Blatche back in the game.
by Matt K. on Nov 21, 2008 9:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I just don't get the Wizards
Why is Juan Dixon the guy taking shots with 2:30 left? Get the ball to Butler and Jamison. How hard is that?
by Matt K. on Nov 21, 2008 9:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
PLEASE take Juan out of the game.
And tell me why he is still in there??
Dear Diary, JACKPOT!!!!!!!!!!
by Evander holyfield on Nov 21, 2008 9:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
was it drawn up like that?
why does eddie hate his best players?
by SidVicious25 on Nov 21, 2008 9:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Dear Diary, JACKPOT!!!!!!!!!!
by Evander holyfield on Nov 21, 2008 9:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I fucking hate this team
1-81. So exhausting to watch.
by sierradave on Nov 21, 2008 9:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
“What a crushing loss this is the for the Wizards”
you have no idea Mr. ESPN guy
by morethesamewiz on Nov 21, 2008 9:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous
Jamison absolutely killed in the post for the first 3 quarters, and then in the 4th, he never goes back. I don’t get it.
by Matt K. on Nov 21, 2008 9:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
what the
hell just happened? that was crazy
by little stevie colter on Nov 21, 2008 9:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
but once we get gil and haywood back next season, we will be the same team that was in first place in the Eastern Conference december 2006, or so Eddie Jordan and Ernie Grunfelds “December 2006” strategy goes
by morethesamewiz on Nov 21, 2008 9:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Guh
Listening to Jalen Rose gives me confidence that Ohio State will cream Michigan tomorrow.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 9:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And just now
He said the Knicks are locks to get LeBron AND Bosh in 2010.
O-kee-day…
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 21, 2008 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I were Lebron and Bosh...
Why not team up together? Those two guys, a couple high lottery picks and some mid range bandwagon free agents and it looks like you got a couple title runs
Dear Diary, JACKPOT!!!!!!!!!!
by Evander holyfield on Nov 21, 2008 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Although...
I don’t see how Jalen Rose gets off announcing that tonight…
Dear Diary, JACKPOT!!!!!!!!!!
by Evander holyfield on Nov 21, 2008 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eddie Jordan should be kicking himself
His lineups in the 4th were atrocious.
Dear Diary, JACKPOT!!!!!!!!!!
by Evander holyfield on Nov 21, 2008 9:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with him sometimes too
but this team is almost always in the game until the 4th. They just can’t finish right now, and it doesn’t help when Dixon and Blatche are the guys shooting the ball with the game on the line.
by Matt K. on Nov 21, 2008 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But this game was just inexcusable
He doesn’t play Juan or Etan until the 4th, then keeps them in for half the quarter… But wait, Juan plays the ENTIRE 4th quarter!! I just don’t get it!
Dear Diary, JACKPOT!!!!!!!!!!
by Evander holyfield on Nov 21, 2008 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Minutes Watch
Jamison played 42 and a half minutes
Butler played just under 39 minutes
Stevenson played 32 and a half minutes
Blatche and McGee each played 20 minutes
Dixon played 18 minutes
Daniels played just shy of 19 minutes
Dee Brown played just under 15 and a half minutes
NY played 15 minutes
Songaila played just shy of 13 and a half minutes
Thomas played 5 and a half minutes
At least 5 minutes too many for Dixon, who finished at -13 for the game.
by Jon L on Nov 21, 2008 9:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What's with all the Dixon hate?
He was the only one who hit shots in the 4th. Nick Young was 1-5 in this game, Stevenson was 3-12, and Butler and Jamison combined for 12-32 shooting. He’s become a scapegoat, but fact is he shot better than the big scorers and I don’t get why he’s singled out.
by KShark28 on Nov 21, 2008 9:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He lost us the game
Sure he hit some big shots, or shots that seemed big at the time… but that was because he was the only one holding the ball… so he kind of HAD to shoot it once the shot clock got down to 3 seconds. He’s not a PG, and I think he showed that tonight.
Dear Diary, JACKPOT!!!!!!!!!!
by Evander holyfield on Nov 21, 2008 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he was
it’s only because he didn’t pass the ball to anyone.
by Jon L on Nov 21, 2008 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about?
He had three assists, and I recall a pretty nice feed to Etan. Butler and Jamison had atrocious shooting percentages, someone had to score.
by KShark28 on Nov 21, 2008 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jamison and Butler dominated through the first 3 quarters
And suddenly they stop getting the ball in their sweet spots and our offense gets bogged down. I honestly hadn’t seen our offense run so well and with the precise passing that it needs until tonight. I don’t think Jamison had his best game of the season through 3 quarters as a result of Juan getting him the ball… and it looked like we had the lead in those quarters.
Dear Diary, JACKPOT!!!!!!!!!!
by Evander holyfield on Nov 21, 2008 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is
3 more than Dee Brown had in similar minutes. Everyone seems enamored with him and dumps on Dixon, and it just doesn’t add up.
by KShark28 on Nov 21, 2008 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference between Dee Brown and Juan Dixon
Juan is supposed to be in at the point, where we need ball distribution. Though he might not get direct assists, Dee Brown moves the ball. Juan just didn’t move the ball enough tonight.
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by Evander holyfield on Nov 21, 2008 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dee Brown moves the ball
because he can’t score. He only has one option, and that’s to pass it.
by KShark28 on Nov 21, 2008 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, he knows his role
Is Juan Dixon’s role the “gunner?” or was he in at the point?
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by Evander holyfield on Nov 21, 2008 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
The last shots of the game were missed by Stevenson, Butler, Blatche and Jamison. Dixon didn’t take a shot past the 2 minute mark. And I don’t remember him guarding Artest and McGrady, who lit us up in the 4th.
by KShark28 on Nov 21, 2008 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't
“past the two minute mark” that hurt us. It was the entire fourth quarter up to that point.
by Jon L on Nov 21, 2008 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The reason we lost the lead
Had more to do with atrocious defense. They hit too many 3’s.
by KShark28 on Nov 21, 2008 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Washington scored 14 points in the fourth quarter
But sure, it was all the defense.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Nov 21, 2008 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So we may as well just cut Dixon
and rattle off the wins with Dee Brown. Makes perfect sense to me.
by KShark28 on Nov 21, 2008 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Actually. I’ve been saying this as far back as the preseason.
Dee Brown doesn’t hurt the team. Juan Dixon does.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Nov 21, 2008 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is remarkably silly
Juan Dixon ended seven fourth-quarter possessions with a either a contested long jumper or a turnover. Caron Butler ended five. Antawn Jamison ended one in the last 11 minutes. Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison are a million times better than Juan Dixon. And it wasn’t like Dixon tried to get them the ball and failed, he just isolated, pounded the dribble and took contested 20 footers that are never good shots.
So he hit a couple of those shots tonight, great. But that’s not the point. The biggest problem this team has had down the stretch is that they can’t get the ball to their star players. When Juan Dixon ends more possessions than Antawn Jamison and Caron Butler combined, it’s a huge problem.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Nov 21, 2008 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't just matter how many minutes you play...
It’s when you play them. Why did Eddie put his low minute guys in during critical minutes of the 4th quarter? Foul trouble, rest, veteran leadership don’t cut it. There is no excuse for putting in a lineup that can’t score and can’t defend. Did Eddie have money on the game?
What happened to Nick Young and Dee Brown, who can actually make plays?
JVG made several comments about Eddies substitutions. If it’s obvious to hime why not our coaching staff.
by NeverNervousPervis on Nov 21, 2008 9:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
D. Brown +4 J. Dixon -13
It’s not just stats it’s how you impact the flow of the offense and defense. That’s why Eddie’s substitutions killed us. Songaila which must mean badly timed foul in Lithuanian also was -13.
by NeverNervousPervis on Nov 21, 2008 9:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So Dixon is the reason we lost the game?
Even though he played the majority of his minutes WITHOUT Jamison and Butler, while Dee Brown did?
by KShark28 on Nov 21, 2008 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Dixon played the last 7:09 with Jamison and Butler. During that time, we were outscored by 12 points.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Nov 21, 2008 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Look, you people are all frothing at the mouth about Dixon hogging the ball, but he only took 8 shots. The offense doesn’t stall solely because of Dixon, it stalls because we have very little movement and absolutely no post-up threat other than McGee, who never plays in the end stretch.
by KShark28 on Nov 21, 2008 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Youn realize he only played the 4th quarter right?
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by Evander holyfield on Nov 21, 2008 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He played 18 minutes!
Ended nine possessions. Was a -13. Ended more fourth-quarter possessions than Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison combined.
I think you’re just trying to start an argument.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Nov 21, 2008 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not starting an argument
I’m pointing at that blaming every loss on Dixon (which has happened the past several games) is purely ridiculous.
by KShark28 on Nov 21, 2008 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly are you talking about?
Did you read yesterday’s post about the Hawks game? Were you here for any of the first three games? Do you only read what you want to read? The last one is a rhetorical question, I know the answer is yes.
Now I know you’re starting an argument for the sake of argument.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Nov 21, 2008 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Calm down, no one is trying to fight, just pointing out that the buzzer hit and everyone was immediately saying “This one’s on Juan!” I can see maybe making that argument after the last game, but on a decent shooting night I don’t see how that argument is made. Isn’t it possible that this teammates who were supposed to hit shots didn’t? What about our lack of a credible inside threat other than McGee (and on a blue moon, Blatche)? Why is no one complaining about Stevenson’s abysmal 3-12 shooting? I don’t see any issues with having your point guard shoot the ball if he’s capable.
by KShark28 on Nov 21, 2008 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're once again believing what you want to believe
just pointing out that the buzzer hit and everyone was immediately saying "This one’s on Juan!"
The reaction was “WTF Juan,” not necessarily “This is on Juan.” There’s a major, major difference. If you’d ever read anything here, you know things are never that simple. But Juan Dixon’s shot-jacking really hurt us.
I can see maybe making that argument after the last game, but on a decent shooting night I don’t see how that argument is made.
Notwithstanding the fallacy of the above argument, the “good” shooting night is not the problem. The problem is that, even with a “good” shooting night, Juan Dixon is half the offensive thread Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison are. Nobody is gearing their defense to stop Juan Dixon. So when Juan Dixon steals shots from the previous two players, it makes the team much less dangerous. And that played a major role in the collapse down the stretch.
Isn’t it possible that this teammates who were supposed to hit shots didn’t? What about our lack of a credible inside threat other than McGee (and on a blue moon, Blatche)?
With all that in the fold, we were still winning most of the game.
Why is no one complaining about Stevenson’s abysmal 3-12 shooting?
Stevenson stinks. There’s no point in complaining about him right now.
I don’t see any issues with having your point guard shoot the ball if he’s capable.
Juan Dixon is not capable. Juan Dixon has never been capable. Juan Dixon is a small guard who shoots too much, hits too few of those shots and, save for one 17-game sample in Toronto, cannot pass. He is not Juan Dixon at Maryland anymore. Nick Young plays more like Juan Dixon, but is about twice as efficient. Nick Young deserved to be in the lineup.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Nov 21, 2008 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
You take differing opinions very seriously
by KShark28 on Nov 21, 2008 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I take a lack of reading comprehension very seriously
You’re attributing viewpoints to me and others than just don’t exist. I don’t appreciate that.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Nov 21, 2008 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You think
Dixon is terrible, I don’t. Difference of opinion, yes. Certainly not a lack of reading comprehension, you just laid out your argument in the post above.
by KShark28 on Nov 21, 2008 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The lack of reading comprehension
Came when you claimed people here were blaming Dixon for every loss.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Nov 21, 2008 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe it was solely Dixon,
but he did not play well, and EJ kept him in the game when he should’ve been on the bench. The combination of those two things certainly didn’t help.
by Jon L on Nov 21, 2008 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you think
Dee Brown subbing for Dixon would have sealed the deal for us tonight, I don’t think you fully realize how depleted our frontcourt is.
by KShark28 on Nov 21, 2008 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
I mean the frontcourt, as in we’re relying on Andre Blatche and Etan Thomas to rebound and score inside.
by KShark28 on Nov 21, 2008 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Blatche
finished 6-9 with 14 points and 4 rebounds in 20 minutes. He hasn’t played that way every night, but tonight at least he wasn’t the problem offensively.
Personally I think his and McGee’s early foul issues forced EJ’s hand a little bit in playing Songaila so much, but now I don’t even know what this argument is about anymore.
by Jon L on Nov 21, 2008 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dee Brown, Antonio Daniels, Nick Young
Same thing.
Stop building strawmen.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Nov 21, 2008 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eddie Jordan is the reason we lost the game
He refuses to play players in roles where they can shine and refuses to create rotation where players can know game in, game out what’s expected of them. Juan is not a point guard, he is a scorer. Songaila is a forward not a center. etc, etc. Minutes for each player swing wildly from game to game. You can start a game and basically not see the floor after that even if you have been effective.
by NeverNervousPervis on Nov 21, 2008 10:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree
Andray Blatche is in the process of having the game of his life, and EJ believes Etan Thomas is going to do what for us coming into the game in the 4th? I was thrilled that EJ had the nerve to finally bench Etan but I should have known better.
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by Evander holyfield on Nov 21, 2008 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eddie need to think about a stable and short rotation
We don’t have the talent right now to go 11 deep. Etan definitely shouldn’t have seen the floor and Dixon should have seen less and when he was in should have been moving without the ball. MCGee and Blatche should have used up thir fouls in a tough match up vs. Yao.
by NeverNervousPervis on Nov 21, 2008 10:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side
The Raptors lost to the Nets thanks to a 3 by Vince Carter to send it in to OT and an alley-oop in OT to win it.
So it could’ve been worse tonight. Not a whole lot worse, but worse.
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