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JaVale McGee vs. Greg Oden: Let The Debate Begin

During last night's game blog, I had a notion:

Is anyone else having the notion that you'd rather have JaVale McGee over Greg Oden? The fact that Oden is so injury prone seals the deal for me.

Today, Ivan Carter had a similar notion on Wizards Insider.

Since we recently had a visit from the Blazers Edge Community, I decided to take a stroll over there to gauge their early opinion on the debate (knowing full well that the JaVale McGee coming out party is localized to DC and has not occurred on the national stage as of yet).

Blazers Edge: Visit from Bullets Forever/Truth About It

So far, some of the responses go like this:

  • lol uhoh
  • this is cute
  • congrats - this is a funny post
  • Your not supposed to DRINK the stuff stored under the sink

Oh....and I'm 75% crazy or insane.

These answers are to be expected. They are biased, we are biased....and there must be a sense of protectionism because a #1 overall pick was invested in Oden (not to mention that most Blazers fans don't know who the hell JaVale McGee is.....yet).

So Bullets Forever Community, what say you? (the poll options here are slightly different from those at Blazers Edge)

Poll
It's simple...who would you rather have in the now and in the future?
JaVale "The Choppa" McGee
96 votes
Greg Oden
59 votes

155 votes | Poll has closed

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You should

Take bets about who gets more Rook of the Year award or something.

Make them put their money where their mouths are.

by MR on Nov 13, 2008 3:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Still not sure I want to bet on this one

I mean, the media will go for Oden wayyy before McGee – plus, Oden (barring injury) will probably be more reliable offensively. That said, the fact that we can even have this conversation makes me giddy.

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Nov 13, 2008 5:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

If they each had the same season the votes would probably go to Oden. Plus he’ll get more minutes.

On the other hand, it would be a fun bet to make and you could probably get some odds. Maybe a bet about admitting the other player is better on both sites or something.

by MR on Nov 13, 2008 8:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

GET TO DE CHOPPA

how many nicknames is he going to have?

by Bobtimist on Nov 13, 2008 4:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yea...that's mine (from another game blog...can't remember which one)

Lemonhead is about as serious as Bean Burrito

And Ivan Carter wants Wizards Insider commenters to call McGee “The Future” — lame.

Why The Choppa?

Because the kid can fly and his arms are like helicopter blades.

Maybe some Photoshop action in the future will encourage usage.

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by Truth About It on Nov 13, 2008 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Eleventy Thousand

It’s a number, trust me.

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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 13, 2008 5:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Eh heh...eh heh.

ehehehhhehehe

Sorry. I’ll head back to the Bedge now ;-)

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by prezofdeath on Nov 13, 2008 4:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mighty cocky since we’re talking about a guy who has missed 86 out of 88 games in his career so far. But he’s your #1 overall, so go ahead. People around here know that draft position can be a poor indicator.

I’m not really taking an opinion on this since it’s absurdly early to judge.

Thanks for beating Miami by the way.

by MR on Nov 13, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is silly...

McGee looks good and everything right now, but it’s WAAAAAAY too early to be talking like this. He’s played 6 games as a pro after a ho-hum college career. Remember that folks thought Jarvis Hayes was going to be terrific after he got off to a good start. McGee is a marvelous athlete, and IF he keeps this up he’ll be a real find. But he has to do it.

And I’m not ready to proclaim Oden “injury prone” yet. I think he’s going to end up having an outstanding career.

by TheSecretWeapon on Nov 13, 2008 5:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i hope oden

has a great career – i really like him.

but year to date, it’s mcgee. uselessly small sample size, but still.

plus, he’s got this crazy bounciness that oden, even pre-knee surgery, never had.

oden’s a better classic post player, when healthy.

but i honestly have never seen anyone like mcgee, physically.

by little stevie colter on Nov 13, 2008 5:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Completely silly

But it seems to be getting a rise from some Blazers fans, so what’s the harm.

by MR on Nov 13, 2008 8:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

let's

start an all star campaign for mcgee

by little stevie colter on Nov 13, 2008 8:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On a serious note

How about the rookie game. He can play NY on the Soph side.

Try dunking on that, NIck!

by MR on Nov 13, 2008 8:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just not a fan of Oden's offensive game in the pro's

I’ve never seen an arsenal of moves that would translate into the NBA game. I don’t see where it will come from.

He’s Tyson Chandler without health.

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by KDP on Nov 13, 2008 5:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

but

I don’t think Oden’s impact will be on the Offensive end… at least early in his career…

The Blazers fans seem to think he’s a game changer on the Defensive end though – and I would tend to agree – BUT….

Then I watch McGee – and the way he plays – and the way the game changes when he’s on the floor – and the way Wizards opponents (Veteran NBA players) change their shots, change their games, shuffle their feet, use their off arm to push off, and even change their minds about going inside…. and I wonder which Rookie has the bigger upside, Defensively…

by Rook6980 on Nov 13, 2008 8:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing we can say for certain

JaVale McGee has more NBA highlights than Greg Oden so far…

Number 2 on this week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9JcKB9i2wg

Number 5 on this week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wvp4xizj2F8

by Rook6980 on Nov 13, 2008 8:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The irrationale exuberance alarm is going off

Greg Oden isn’t going to be hurt forever and is already an impact on the defensive end. Our Javale has done very well. Like many I ripped the pick and have now done the completely 180 on him. He’s fantastic and might even be glorious. But I would still rather take a chance on Oden’s health and have him.

"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck

by George Templeton on Nov 13, 2008 8:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Darnit

I misspelled irrational!

"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck

by George Templeton on Nov 13, 2008 9:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i embrace my irrationality

but it’s cool as hell to have people this fired up about a 1-5 team.
season would feel a lot different if mcgee hadn’t shown up like this.

by little stevie colter on Nov 13, 2008 9:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

very easy to make a call here

i’d MUCH rather have mcgee as a steal – a ridiculous heist – at #18 than oden at #1. not even close. mcgee is the much more exciting pick right now. he could be a big time player and we essentially snatched him out of thin air.

i’d much rather have that than a guy who may be injury prone his whole career that we spent a #1 pick on.

(i sincerely hope that now that we’ve said this, mcgee doesn’t have an injury prone career…)

i hope they both are healthy and both have good careers. i like oden a lot. but i’m much more excited about mcgee at #18.

oh… and i never bashed the pick. kudos to me.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Nov 13, 2008 9:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just curious but...

How would the trailblazers look if they had picked Kevin Durant?

by hibachi on Nov 13, 2008 11:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

They would score a lot of points

but would still struggle with interior defense and rebounding with no hope for change. I mean really, I love Joel Pryzbilla’s toughness, rebounding, and defense, but the Blazers play 4 on 5 on offense when he is in the game and when he goes out, any guard with a little quickness and determination can drive and score or dish. Having Oden and Joel means an inside presence on defense and rebounding for 48 minutes and a center at least one guy has to guard for hopefully 30-35 minutes a night.

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by tssbro on Nov 15, 2008 3:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

moot question now?

So the Hibbert vs. McGee debate is now moot?

by hotplate on Nov 14, 2008 7:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Roy looks akin to George Costanza when trying to jump.

(Disclaimer: I’m kidding)

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by Truth About It on Nov 14, 2008 10:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, Ok,

So, I was really vocal prior to the draft, touting Roy Hibbert as a perfect fit for the Wizards…

At the same time, I was advocating staying away from “raw” but physically gifted athletes with poor fundamentals, and a limited body of work… (JaVale McGee and DeAndre Jordan).

I don’t think I was wrong about Roy Hibbert. I think he would have fit in nicely with the Wizards style of play. He’s a better rebounder than he showed in College – and he’s showing it in the NBA. He’s a great passer from the high post; perfect for the Princeton Offense. He’s an efficient Offensive player; and plays pretty decent one-on-one defense. He’s currently averaging 4.6 points, 3 rebounds, 1 block and 1 in 14 minutes per game for the Pacers – and they’re a team that’s not really a good fit for him.

I think he’ll eventually take the starting job away from Jeff Foster..

On the other hand, I was probably wrong about McGee. I say probably, because his work ethic and determination seem to be way above what I was led to believe from the scouting reports. He’s also apparently fearless… So, I didn’t see the JaVale McGee Bandwagon coming – but I don’t think it’s too late for me to hop on.

by Rook6980 on Nov 14, 2008 5:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

new candidate

There’s a new candidate in the best big man of the 2008 draft contest: Brooke Lopez got 25 points for the Nets last night.

by hotplate on Nov 15, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Robin

And Robin Lopez didn’t do too bad subbing for an ejected Shaq last night either.

9 points, 4 rebounds and 1 steal (plus at least 2 blocks that I saw that he didn’t get credit for) in14 high energy minutes…..

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by Rook6980 on Nov 17, 2008 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It would hurt Blazer’s fans pride to think their #1 overall pick is not as good or doesn’t hold the potential that our mid/late 1st round pick has. In all actuality it’s too early to call this race but from what I’ve seen of the two players I’d rather have Javale in a Wizards jersey.

by Buddha Brown on Nov 14, 2008 12:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's Too Early

To say that McGee will be the better player, but it’s not too early to say that he’s been the better player the first 6 games. This sort of performance, however small in sample, gives great hope to fans of this tragic team.

"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier

by cuppettcj on Nov 14, 2008 3:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

December 3, 2008

The Wizards play the Trailblazers in Portland.

I suggest we compare notes with the folks at Blazers Edge again after the game that night…. see which Rookie has been a disappointment or surprise so far…. which Rookie has the better stats so far………. which Rookie got the better of the other in the game…

For bragging rights, if nothing else.

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by Rook6980 on Nov 14, 2008 6:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

At Washington, Dec 3

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Nov 15, 2008 4:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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