Open Thread: Regular Season Game 2 vs. Detroit Pistons
by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 7:02 PM EDT
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Washington Wizards at Detroit Pistons, Nov 1, 2008 7:30 PM EDT
The Essentials:
Wizards (0-1) at Pistons (1-0)
7:30 p.m.
Palace in Auburn Hills
CSN/NBA TV (blacked out for LPers)
Last year:
November 3: Pistons 106, Wizards 93.
March 23: Wizards 95, Pistons 83.
April 11: Pistons 102, Wizards 74.
Notable Pistons numbers last season:
2nd in expected winning percentage (.751)
30th in pace factor (87.3 possessions per game)
6th in offensive efficiency/offensive rating (111.4)
4th in defensive efficiency/defensive rating (102.9)
Key Links (drop any others in the comments)
Detroit Bad Boys
Need4Sheed Need4Sheed
Pistons Nation Blog
Truth About It's Q&A with Detroit Bad Boys
DBB's questions to Truth
Starting Lineups:
Wizards
PG: Antonio Daniels
SG: DeShawn Stevenson
SF: Caron Butler
PF: Antawn Jamison
C: Etan Thomas
Pistons
PG: Chauncey Billups
SG: Richard Hamilton
SF: Tayshaun Prince
PF: Amir Johnson
C: Rasheed Wallace
Tonight's Lines
Wizards at Magic: Pistons by 9.5
Over/Under on Total Scoring: 187
Long preview, yipee!
Run, run run: So Eddie is waxing about the need to push the tempo to create easy scores. I'm an advocate for this, just because our half-court offense isn't nearly as efficient as it used to be, and it would have probably helped us beat the Nets. Truth be told, though, it's a whole lot of hot air, at least in the short term. For one, Antonio Daniels isn't the running type and Antawn Jamison isn't either, unless you ask him to spot up behind the three-point line. For another, the Wizards aren't going to be able to run on Detroit, the league's slowest-paced team last year. Detroit's transition D is impeccable and they do such a good job of controlling the ball and not letting you get into the open floor (4th in TO rate last year). We better make more jumpers if we want any chance at winning.
Inactive activity: Eddie's still not sure who will be inactive today. It sounds like he's using the spot as a leverage to get all our young guys to play well, so I assume whoever sits tonight is the one who didn't practice well. My guess is that Pecherov gets to play and someone like Dee Brown gets the shaft, which is a wonderful idea when you're trying to push the pace (not).
[UPDATE]: Pecherov is inactive - Wizards Insider.
Forever baby-eating: Perennial Wizard-killer Jason Maxiell will be a Piston for a while after agreeing to a 4 year, 20-million dollar deal extension earlier this week. That's great value for a guy who is such a key bench contributor. I predict he will grab about six rebounds over Andray Blatche tonight.
Royalty: Caron Butler struggled against Detroit in the three games last year, averaging just 15 points a contest. Caron tends to struggle against long small forwards, and Tayshaun Prince is probably the longest one in the league. This'll be a real test to see if Caron's really more aggressive than in years past. I felt he did a good job driving to the basket last time, but he's going to have to be even better tonight, since Prince is going to bother his jumper like crazy.
Etan on an island: I'm curious whether Eddie will give Etan more than 18 minutes tonight. Detroit's frontcourt is deep and tough, with Amir Johnson, Antonio McDyess and he who shall not be named joining Maxiell and Rasheed Wallace. Last year, Andray Blatche was eaten alive against Detroit, particularly in the first matchup in January. Etan may actually be able to mix it up inside better, though I'm sure he'll have more trouble scoring than usual.
This is one of those games where we'll miss Brendan dearly.
This is an open game thread, so flex your muscles here.
GO WIZARDS!
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Kinda
It was too hard to keep track of everyone’s W-L record, so we’re not doing a contest per se, but we won’t discourage anyone from making the picks if they so choose.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 1, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pecherov Inactive
I made an update in the post….but double the FYI.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/wizardsinsider/2008/11/wizards_at_pistons.html
Representing DC with Wizards & Stuff - Truth About It Dot Net
by Truth About It on Nov 1, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That which Wizard as President segment was pretty great.
by Aldo on Nov 1, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The one night I'm late for pregame...
Who was who?
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 1, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They asked players which Wizard player would make the best President
Receiving votes:
Gil
Deshawn
Pech
AD
Etan
NY
by Aldo on Nov 1, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Antawn?
Also, Pecherov is technically ineligible. Though, “I sign treaties, son.”
by Jon L on Nov 1, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might be ineligible
But would you vote against him? I wouldn’t.
But yeah, Gil would probably win, even though Etan probably has a better feel for the political scene. Gotta say I’m surprised to see DeShawn finished 2nd.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 1, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn’t in order, sorry. just in order I remembered. i’m pretty sure it wasn’t an official vote.
by Aldo on Nov 1, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's cool
We’ll let you off the hook…this time. :P
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 1, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me about it
One of the few games with the free preview gets blacked out by NBA TV. Awesome.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 1, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We stink.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe its not a bad thing
that I cant watch
by hibachi on Nov 1, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since they've been in the news
I’ve noticed a lot of Detroit moving picks. And yes, I know they happen all the time and never get called.
by Jon L on Nov 1, 2008 7:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man
No inside, no outside. I think that Caron and Antwan are excellent complements, but they need guys like Haywood/Gil to draw attention off. No doubt Caron can create his own shot, but he really shines when there are other potent weapons.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Nov 1, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I guess being down 10 is better than being down 17?
Washington Wizards Playoffs 2008: "We're Bushing it."
by Gilbert4SpaceJam2 on Nov 1, 2008 8:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was thinking
All things considered, only being down 10 isn’t all that bad. But that lead could get a lot bigger if the second unit can’t keep up with Detroit.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 1, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I need to lie down
after watching Blatche’s shot there. Nice energy on the rebound, though.
by Jon L on Nov 1, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else struggling with audio LP?
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
andray
is playing like he’s got something to prove. i guess he does. he aint perfect, but he’s already showing 5x the energy he did last season.
agree?
by jebusjones on Nov 1, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's almost playing too fast
His mind’s all warped. He needs to slow things down.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is this?
The revenge of the sucky ex-Wizards tour? At least the Bucks still don’t have Ruffin or else we could get the trifecta to start the season.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 1, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Correction
Instead of “we could get” pretend I said “we could’ve gotten”.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 1, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kwame Brown
I’ve finally figured out how to have him reach his “potential.” He just has to get moved around the league until he’s played on every team, and then he’ll play harder and more aggressively against all of them because he used to play there.
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by Gilbert4SpaceJam2 on Nov 1, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For some reason
I just don’t see the Wiz being in the top eight defensively.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Nov 1, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Top eight?
I’d be happy with top 20.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're watching on Comcast
Caron just said that the Wizards are hoping to be top eight defensively this year. He then mentioned that it would be a distinct possibility if the Wiz “get healthy.” Never heard that one before.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Nov 1, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I figured it was a CSN thing
Being out of market sucks sometimes.
My fault.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction
being out of market sucks all the time.
by hibachi on Nov 1, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monumental Air!
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 1, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least Nick had another dunk.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
McGuire’s back to his TO ways.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That horn needs to stop tooting.
Caron’s got Walter Hermann on him, and yet he doesn’t demand the ball.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he's awestruck
I know I would be if I was playing against Fabio.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 1, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean
I’m glad Juan hit that shot, but let’s try to not waive Caron away next time, please.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There you go.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice pass Nick.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So along the lines of "Pradamaster eating crow..."
The Juan/Nick backcourt has actually been damn effective tonight.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And on Baltimo's earlier point
I really like the Butler/Young pairing.
by Jon L on Nov 1, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're playing well
No doubt, but that cannot be counted on if you ask me. Nick can be pretty streaky from the outside, and Dixon is pretty much exclusively a pure/spot up shooter. Of course, as I say that, Juan takes one to the hole. The difference between Dixon/Young and Gil is that Gilbert can spot up/drive, which is pivotal to this teams success.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Nov 1, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the Juan/Nick backcourt
Since they essentially play the same way and both have obscene usage rates, but for some reason, it’s worked tonight.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In theory
They should be able to complement each other pretty well, but Nick forces the jumper too much and there isn’t enough ball movement to get Dixon all alone.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Nov 1, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
I mean, both shoot a ton of long twos and neither pass all that well. I wish Nick drove more than he did, but he doesn’t at this point, even though he probably could. Until he does, they play basically the same way.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I suppose
In theory, they should.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Nick is a very cheap version of Lebron James in that he can drive and overpower people. Because he can drive so well, defensive packages are set up to combat his penetration, and as a result, Nick tries to shoot so as to free up the lane. It would be especially deadly if Nick could drive and kick it out to Juan who would shoot/swing it around. Unfortunately, I’ve never seen an Eddie Jordan team really try to swing the ball around the horn
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by Baltimo on Nov 1, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
that I would call NY “overpowering.” He got one basket by freezing Kwame with a hesitation move rather that just bull-rushing his way in the way James does.
Young does remind me of someone, though, I just haven’t put my finger on it yet.
by Jon L on Nov 1, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great recovery by Nick
He was all over the place, but his deflection keyed that stop.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Smallball wins tonight.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This unit rocks
I’m shocked.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I pledge not to complain about small-ball for a week.
If we take the lead, make it two weeks.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I didn’t expect the comeback. Keep it up guys.
by hotplate on Nov 1, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nick Young...
…is ballin’ tonight.
by Gilbert4SpaceJam2 on Nov 1, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Juan/Nick combined
Is like Gilbert alone. It just frustrates me that we could have a Nick Young and Gilbert Arenas on the court at the same time.
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by Baltimo on Nov 1, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darius has played really well tonight.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Detroit is a better matchup for him
than New Jersey was. NJ has a lot of quick fowards, whereas against Detroit he can be a little more aggressive defensively without worrying his man is suddenly going to slip past him.
by Jon L on Nov 1, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Also, Detroit plays slow, and Darius isn’t known for his foot speed.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What an end to the half. Although I’m slightly worried this gives Eddie reason to bury Blatche, when, in fact, he deserves backup 5 minutes.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m glad to see Caron and Antawn playing the way we know they can, we need them to play well
by Gilbert4SpaceJam2 on Nov 1, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's just because he's making shots
But Nick Young seems like he’s a lot more comfortable with the Princeton this season. He still needs to take it inside more, but it doesn’t seem to me like he’s forcing the one-on-one action as much. But my feed has been choppy, so I might have missed some things.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 1, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NY = Hamilton
Similar type players. Don’t expect NY to drive to the hoop. Like Rip he’s more of a pull up and shoot guy even though he has hops over Rip.
Glad we didn’t cut him after summer league, eh?
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nick seems to get most of his points off the dribble though
I’m trying to think of someone who was like that before Nick. Travis Outlaw, perhaps?
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Finley's a good comparison
After thinking about it for 0.2 seconds.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick/Gil
It just frustrates me that we could have a Nick Young and Gilbert Arenas on the court at the same time.
Sure gives us something to look forward to though, doesn’t it?
by Rook6980 on Nov 1, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nick Young and Defense, in the same sentence?
Yes – I said it… He’s playing pretty good Defense too!
by Rook6980 on Nov 1, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And DeShawn isn't
It’s weird.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stevenson’s defense wasn’t good against NJ, either. Hopefully this doesn’t turn into a “thing.”
by Jon L on Nov 1, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Antawn is working Amir like crazy tonight.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How long?
So how long should Eddie go with Deshawn and Etan? Looks like we’re losing all of the momentum we gained.
by hotplate on Nov 1, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a bit furious...
that Eddie is just going with the same stagnant lineup that got us in the hole to begin with.
"My swag was phenomenal!"
by Wizards on Nov 1, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheed’s too tough on the block.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Too many jumpers. Caron needs to drive there.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you AD for driving to the basket.
by Gilbert4SpaceJam2 on Nov 1, 2008 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is DeShawn ducking underneath the screen?
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me, or does Etan need to do better on the boards?
by Gilbert4SpaceJam2 on Nov 1, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's kind of on an island there
I’m not blaming him for Amir’s bucket. That was DeShawn’s fault for losing Rip.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice pass by Caron!
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you a little behind Prada?
"My swag was phenomenal!"
by Wizards on Nov 1, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently so
I just saw DeShawn’s drive.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll keep it to a minimum then! heh
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by Wizards on Nov 1, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TAKE IT TO THE HOOP DESHAWN!
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by Wizards on Nov 1, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He listened :)
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by Wizards on Nov 1, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amir Johnson already has 5 fouls
And I thought Dray was the foul-prone guy.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We’re going too quickly. Slow down the shots.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Buckhantz is pretty pissed about the artificial crowd noise.
by Aldo on Nov 1, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hahaha. I thought that was hilarious.
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by Wizards on Nov 1, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our rebounding is pretty atrocious...
Aberration? Good Pistons rebounding? Who knows, but it has to get better.
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by Wizards on Nov 1, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping for a McGee sighting.
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by Wizards on Nov 1, 2008 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably for the best
One of the keys to our rally was that Darius spread the Pistons out, giving us good driving lanes.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where’s Blatche?
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nick!
What a shot!
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So glad he came to play. Very pleasant surprise.
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by Wizards on Nov 1, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a rebounder in the game
Put in Blatche instead of Darius, please.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blatche
His first stint in was pretty eh…. what’s the word? Horrific?
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by Wizards on Nov 1, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true, but we need someone who can rebound out there.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juan’s a better passer than I remember him being in his first stint.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“[Name of opposing player] nearly traveled.” is such a classic Buckhantzism.
by Aldo on Nov 1, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Defense
Starting unit not playing any defense – second unit (with Jamison and Butler in with Songaila, Young and Dixon) played very good defense.
by Rook6980 on Nov 1, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This lineup has been incredible.
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by Wizards on Nov 1, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m so tired of the Dwayne Wade commercial.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We need another run
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by Baltimo on Nov 1, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If making awkward jumpers is cool
Then Antawn Jamison is Miles Davis.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 1, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If any other player did that
I’d probably yell at the TV. Because it’s Jamison, though, for some reason I love it.
by Jon L on Nov 1, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3rd foul on Detroit already
Being in the bonus early could be helpful
by Gilbert4SpaceJam2 on Nov 1, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or 5. aaaand we’re shooting for the next 10 minutes.
by Gilbert4SpaceJam2 on Nov 1, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Caron got the memo.
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by Wizards on Nov 1, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice pump fake by Nick.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why exactly are we pressing?
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody watching NBA TV?
Worst production ever! Constant audio flubs. Every return from commercial!
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Me me me
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great recognition by Twan to drive when the team’s in the penalty.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a tough shot by Maxiell. But seriously, Darius has played well, but for too long.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Songila does a lot of right things. Those cuts to the basket resulting in easy layups. A very very timely jumper. He’s a “glue” guy and I don’t mind him getting minutes.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do mind him playing 20 straight minutes in a game
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dagger
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Nov 1, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did Buck say it? That’s what I was thinking.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
But I think it would’ve been appropriate. Maybe I pulled the trigger too soon, though.
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by Baltimo on Nov 1, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyway, it's not "Dagger"
it’s “DAGGER!!!”. well, unless its one of his short daggers…
by hibachi on Nov 1, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if it's for the other team
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Nov 1, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s usually “BACKBREAKER,” isn’t it?
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interchangeable
Looks like Buck is restraining himself though, for now.
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by Baltimo on Nov 1, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not interchangeable.
The differences are subtle though.
by Aldo on Nov 1, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
I guess Buck wouldn’t use “backbreaker” if the Wiz hit a clutch shot.
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by Baltimo on Nov 1, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, need a stop!
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No minutes for DeShawn in the fourth so far
That’s something I can support.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Huh? DeShawn always plays in the fourth.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did Wednesday. He did practically every game last season.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did Wednesday and hardly ever last season
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yo Prada
See how the announcers are constantly referencing highlights that NBA TV isn’t showing? It’s like they have the video feed from the Wiz and the audio feed from the Pistons. Their production is pretty poor. Wish they’d get it together.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oy Darius.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s glaringly obvious that his legs are tired.
by Jon L on Nov 1, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How Blatche plays 0 minutes in the second half, I'll have no idea
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Backbreaker.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wizards basketball...
where no-names on the other teams have huge scoring games.
"My swag was phenomenal!"
by Wizards on Nov 1, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
gold medalist. not quite a no-name <——optimism
by jebusjones on Nov 1, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Current tally
Washington – 23
Detroit – 48
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 1, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
defense
how many times have we stopped the pistons in the 4th quarter? 2? 3?
by joshp on Nov 1, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
significant improvement from wednesday at least.
by jebusjones on Nov 1, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For sure
Though a win would’ve been nice, I’m just happy we could play neck and neck with a good team, because truthfully I wasn’t sure we could.
by Gilbert4SpaceJam2 on Nov 1, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
the game may have been closer, but the defense was beyond horrible. if nick young doesnt make some acrobatic shots or juan dixon doesnt score a few points off the bench, this looks as bad or worse than wednesday
by joshp on Nov 1, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good game.
I’m glad Phil and Buck can see the silver lining.
"My swag was phenomenal!"
by Wizards on Nov 1, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh well
I mean, how much can we really expect from this team?
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by Baltimo on Nov 1, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wiz looked pretty good
Played tough against a very very good team at their place. Came back twice when we could have packed it in.
But at some point we have to realize moral victories don’t count.
One more loss and it will get inside the team’s head.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This team did start 0-6 last year. I don’t think 0-3 will get in their head.
by Aldo on Nov 1, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was 0-5 and that’s exactly why it’ll get inside their heads.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The starting 5
was terrible tonight. Young had a great game today.
by Matt K. on Nov 1, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't help but feel
that we’re working out things that we should have been working out in the preseason. Between the injuries and the travel it seems that we didn’t get a real preseason in.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Minutes Watch
Jamison played 42 and a half minutes
Butler played 41 minutes
Thomas played just under 18 minutes
Nick Young played 28 and a half (very productive)
Songaila played 27 and a half minutes
Dixon played just shy of 14 minutes
McGuire played just shy of 11 minutes
Blatche played just 4:17, all in the first half.
Neither Brown nor McGee got in the game.
by Jon L on Nov 1, 2008 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe Darius played 27 minutes
They were all in a row too.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Songila
but I agree it was too much tonight.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What bugs me
Blatche played 4:17 tonight, and presumably he would have played some of Songaila’s minutes, but was Blatche really any worse than he was on Wednesday?
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To Eddie's credit
I’m really happy that he didn’t go back to DeShawn when it was clear DeShawn was sucking tonight.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I debated myself (it was fun) as to whether NY should’ve started the second half, and I decided that the 2nd game of the season isn’t the best place to send that kind of message, either to Stevenson or Young. If something similar happens again, I hope EJ considers it, but a.) he’s a guy who trusts veterans, and b.) right now Young is a good “bench energy” player, so it may be awhile before EJ reaches that point.
by Jon L on Nov 1, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In just over 4 minutes, Blatche was 1-3 with a rebound, and 2-2 on free throws. I don’t think he was bad enough to not get any run in the second half, but the Wizards generally were having problems boxing out early on, and EJ may have felt some of that was on Blatche (I’d have to see the game flow and read Truth’s game blog to know more certainly).
by Jon L on Nov 1, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting dominated by Kwame Brown
doesn’t exactly help anyone get more minutes.
by Matt K. on Nov 1, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK not dominated
but still. Brown shouldn’t be blowing by anyone on offense.
by Matt K. on Nov 1, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did Blatche
manage to get outplayed by Kwame Brown? That was pretty embarrassing. Still, he probably deserved some minutes in the second half.
by Matt K. on Nov 1, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the end of the day
is Blatche really better than Kwame? Maybe in the future, but at the moment I’m not seeing a lot of daylight between the two guys.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that's true
I hope Blatche can turn the corner soon.
by Matt K. on Nov 1, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In any case
he didn’t cost a #1 overall. That’s the worst thing that ever happened to Kwame in his life.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Kwame was never as good as Blatche was last season.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take it back
I forgot how much promise Kwame showed at 21.
In any case, like everyone said, major difference in draft position.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong
I’m NOT a Kwame defender.
Just stirring the pot.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andray has at least one advantage
We didn’t use a #1 pick on him. Even if he never realizes his potential, he’s still fared better than most guys that 49th overall.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 1, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I recall
I don’t think Kwame and Blatche were on the court together all that long (though Blatche wasn’t on the court with anyone for very long). Kwame was 4-4, but he also mishandled an easy pass, had that dumb foul, and let Young get by him on a hesitation move.
by Jon L on Nov 1, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what happens now
we all comment about Law & Order for the rest of the night?
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
McGee could have helped
with some of the rebounding issues, but he would have had a hell of a time guarding Rasheed. He looked pretty good last game.
by Matt K. on Nov 1, 2008 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm surprised JaVale didn't play
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not
he’s going to get spotty minutes, especially against a vet team. He got minutes the other night because there were a lot of rooks out there.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that's a dumb reason for him not to play
He shouldn’t play because he isn’t good enough, not because Detroit has more veterans than New Jersey.
We could have used his size tonight.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess what I'm saying
is that his mistakes were minimized against other rookies. Against a vet team the would be magnified. Also I think that the road is a factor. I’ve see Eddie tighten up the rotation with the youngsters on the road, esp early in the season.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Against good players, his mistakes are magnified. Against bad players, they aren’t. Experience has nothing to do with it.
I’m just saying five minutes in the third quarter might have been helpful.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
I think that a player like McG can allow a big run all by himself before you have a chance to recover.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On another note
Rasheed is really quite a good player. Man, some of those turn around fades were just beautiful.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was looking
for some more double teams on Rasheed in the post, but it’s not like the Wizards are good at rotating on defense or anything.
by Matt K. on Nov 1, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They tried
but Sheed kept hitting that shot as the double was coming.
That’s why he was so good.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rip killed us more than Sheed
Both hurt, though. Without Haywood, we have no answer for Sheed.
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has AD become a weak link? He seems to be mostly invisible at best lately.
by Aldo on Nov 1, 2008 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will reluctantly agree with you
but don’t think it’s necessarily a pattern yet.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also somewhat agree
I think AD will struggle with quicker PGs, like he did against Devin Harris. Tonight, though, I think it was partially him and partially Dixon having a good night.
by Jon L on Nov 1, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In other news
I’m glad I’m looking like an idiot.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 1, 2008 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is that a kneejerk reaction?
Yes, but it makes me feel good.
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by JakeTheSnake on Nov 1, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A scary thought
At the moment the only reason the Wiz don’t look like the worst team in the league is Nick Young.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It looks like he worked hard in the offseason.
He seems to be in much better shape.
by Matt K. on Nov 1, 2008 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Nash makes Barnes look like Marion
9 points tonight, anyone still want to trade for Marion and pay him what it takes to keep him from sulking?
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 10:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Final note
I am confused about Etan’s playing rotation.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean Eddie's?
Or you mean Etan’s minutes?
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by Mike Prada on Nov 1, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m confused about how Eddie is playing Etan.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm taking a wait-and-see approach
The first game EJ clearly wanted to see what each player brought, and also wanted to give Blatche some crunch-time minutes. Tonight, Thomas had a lot of problems and Songaila was playing well (though that doesn’t mean he doesn’t need breaks, EJ).
Ideally he’d probably play around 25 minutes a night, and unless it takes him a while to get up there I’m not too worried about his PT specifically.
by Jon L on Nov 1, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On another note
I’m kind of new to this board and this was my first game posting comments while watching live (well, after halftime).
It’s a fun way to watch and I thank everyone for their insightful comments, even the ones I disagreed with.
I almost never watch live, but in the future this will give me extra incentive to do so and sit through commercials, even the lame Wade one.
by MR on Nov 1, 2008 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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