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I know, I know, there are already a couple threads going already, but has there ever been a more snakebitten team in history?  We're basically talking about potentially losing 3/5 of your starting lineup before the first quarter of the first preseason game of the year. 

In my case, without a computer and being out of market, I had no way of following the game, so I literally was blindsided when I logged on and saw this information.  I don't know if that makes things better or worse.

I know Jamison says his injury is not serious, but pardon me if I say "prove it."  Only in D.C. would Brendan Haywood go from being out for a week to being out for potentially the entire season.  Seeing Jamison's injury on replay, that fall was not natural.  In fact, it kind of reminded me of Shaun Livingston's injury in that it was totally unprovoked.  I'll be hoping the best tomorrow, but that won't do much.

If Haywood is really out for 4-6 months, we're in trouble.  Andray Blatche can come into his own all he wants and Etan Thomas can recover as healthy as ever, but neither of them can possibly do all the things Haywood does.  Neither can defend the paint like Haywood.  Neither can guard the top centers in the league like Haywood.  Both are more mobile, sure, but neither are disciplined defensively, which will absolutely kill us even with a year of Randy Ayers under our belt. 

Jamison's injury would only make things worse, but folks, we're already in trouble.  I really, really hope I don't have to utter the T-word tomorrow, but that might be better than the utter mediocrity we might become without Gilbert Arenas AND Haywood.

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I know Jamison says his injury is not serious, but pardon me if I say “prove it.”

Well said my friend.

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by Truth About It on Oct 8, 2008 1:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We’re basically talking about potentially losing 3/5 of your starting lineup before the first quarter of the first preseason game of the year.

Oy. It was bad enough already, but when you put it that way, it’s much worse. Jeez.

by Ben Q Rock on Oct 8, 2008 1:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Whaa whaa whaa...

Okay, take a minute to cry if you want, but we’re long time Bullets fans, if you ain’t tough as a hockey puck, you’ll shatter like glass. You got to have some scar tissue and callouses already, can’t hurt that bad.

Fact is, while there’s no doubt rain in the short term, in the mid to long term there’s a strong chance of sun in the forecast. And we’re Wiz fans, a chance of sun is all you need to start planting them seeds of hope.

I said some of this on RealGM but I’ll recap a bit.

If you didn’t see the game, you didn’t see how smooth and strong Andray Blatche looks. My god that kid is gonna be good. He’s quicker and stronger and most heartening: not out of control. He’s working with better economy, showing good footwork on offensive post moves, not trying to do too much. The one time he went coast to coast (that I saw, I flipped back and forth to the debate after the first half) he actually made the right decision no tot pass. And when his lane was cut off, managed a deft mid-air pivot and laid the ball in the bucket like he’s putting a book back on a shelf. His midrange and jumper looked good. The only thing he needs now is a little more muscle so he can stuff the ball home instead of rely on finesse. But the kid’s got finesse. He had one Olajuwon-esque midrange fake show pivot and bank off the glass. And a few other calm easy acts of grace and force. Even defensively he was in the right spot most of the time.

Fact is after the six minute mark, I didn’t see much Etan. Dray was making a solid case for taking those center starting minutes. He’s producing right now and plays best when he knows the team needs him. I get the feeling he will buck for the league MIP before the year is out. Be prepared to hear his gunshot story all over and over again in the national media once they figure out what happening. But consistency is the only question mark, the kid is ready to turn experience into production.

Jamison being dinged up. Dunno. There may be a tear, may be a tweak. But there’s nothing Livingstonesque about it. That poor kid’s knee folded up like origami. Jamison just put a little too much lateral sheer at an awkward angle. Then jerked the weight off his leg when he felt it wobble. He stretched the ligament no doubt at the least, question is if his yoga and flexibility work saved him a more serious injury.

But even with Jamison out a few games, there’s room for the positive. The team was already deepest in the frontcourt positions. ‘Deep’, not ‘good’ of course. We have young raw players who need game time. And putting them out there makes us BIG.

Javale McGee had a Pat Ewing turnaround jumper, and a few other flashes of truly pretty moves. For a kid that you only hear about his athleticism, he’s showing some actual skill. Yes his defensive fundamentals need breakdown rebuilding and repetition — he doesn’t bow out, and still vacates the paint on defense. Kid doesn’t know how big he is, but you can see with effort he will build strength in the paint. And once his mass catches up with his frame and work ethic he’s gonna be something startling. In the meantime he’ll actually see play, and catch object lessons in the value of bulking up. All the while he’ll continue to show that talent. He had a block of a rainbow jumper that noone else in the league could have made, I though he was too far away to touch it, and should have been too slow to go get it since it was shot on a catch and release. He extended like Mr Fantastic and tapped it out of the air.

And Pech looked better. Not ‘good’ yet. But he actually hit his shots, defended a little better, grabbed a couple rebounds as if by accident. He looked like he has a chance to develop. Made some nice passes, handled better than most seven footers.

All of these guys need better defensive fuindamentals. But they’ll be playing behind Darius, who is an underrated defender for us. And has strong fundamentals, he just lacks the athleticism and size that these guys have in spades. If they look at Darius as a mentor both for defense, mid-range game and passing at the Princeton highpost, then they’ll be fine.

And the Wiz will be playing LARGE. Anybody else liked seeing Dom at 2-guard for long stretches yesterday? Okay he didn’t do much with the opportunity, but we were big out there.

Point being, we weren’t wining a chip unless the kids develop anyway. If they get extra experience early it can only help in the long term.

So relax, we’re Wiz fans. We’re just building up good karma for future reward. Got to get a little more zen about it, life is suffering, realizing that just makes it that much more precious and glorious. Think how much better a championship would feel after enduring all of this… Boom! Enlightenment. Or maybe just drunken revelry, either way.

by doclinkin on Oct 8, 2008 9:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

typoes

‘bow out’ = box out.

None of these kids find their man on defense, take the inside position, pu ttheir ass on the guy and seal off the angles. Darius does, he’s jsut smaller and slower. But Pech already looks to him for advice, it can only improve (knock wood).

by doclinkin on Oct 8, 2008 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I with you Doc...but....

Sometimes…..as a knee-jerk reaction, we can’t help but feel like it’s a knife twisting, rather than just some scrapes over scar tissue.

Opec….yea, a couple boards did seem accidental, but I noticed that he was trying to put his body in the right position…..in the fray.

I’ve been a defender of D-Song…..because of that, I’m looking past him appearing completely lost and out-of-his-league last night as it was only the first game. I think he brings all that you mention…within our offense.

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by Truth About It on Oct 8, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed on opec

Yeah, he snagged 7 boards in 20 some-odd minutes. If we’re looking for a stop-gap fill-in for Jamison, or even a back-up off the bench, that plus the 2-3 from three will help a ton. Thing is to be a defensive upgrade from Jamison he doesn’t have to do much more than that. As he improves it will be funny to watch opponents try to figure out what to do about that odd-looking guy who drops it in from outside.

Granted he went 4-10 overall so he still has no real idea what to do offensively inside.

As for Darius looking out of sorts. Personnel will have to adjust to each other, that’s what the preseason is all about. It’s not like has 3 years of continuity and chemistry with the young guys, and I don’t recall him ever playing next to Etan. The starters all looked a little out-of-synch. Rust, maybe. And the loss of Haywood/Jamison who have proven to be not only key but durable. The team hasn’t had to learn to play without them for very long. There will be adjustments all around.

by doclinkin on Oct 8, 2008 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bless you doclinkin . . .

You’ve painted a portrait that is both positive and realistic. Thank you. But you know what, how long have the Wiz been building good karma for future reward. And except for 2005 (where even then, Larry Hughes missed six weeks with an injury) and 2006 (Jamison missed a lot of time that year too), the Wizards get it in the neck from in the injury fairy every damn time.
I just hope the kids are ready to step up and rapidly improve.

"Would you like to shoot me now or wait till you get home." --- Daffy Duck

by George Templeton on Oct 8, 2008 9:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We're Wiz fans I tell you...

Sure, but if not for bad luck we’d have no luck at all. No biggie, keeps life interesting. And it keeps out the riffraff. Wiz fans and Golden State fans tend to be some of the better educated well-rounded interesting people. It takes no imagination to be a fan of a squad that wins all the time. You got to grab hold of that audacity to hope and all that. Just get creative:

People were complaining about Antawn’s defense anyway…

And hey, if you need a security blanket, if you need something to meditate on, you can always chant the longtime Bullets fan’s mantra: lottery lottery lottery lottery. Injury is an opportunity for some. It took the admiral being out for San Antonio to land Duncan. Sometimes that’s the best method to build a champion.

Me, win or lose I’m gonna have fun watching these young guys start to figure it out. Pech hit what, 2-of-3 threes this game? JaVale dropped in that baseline shot? And Dray, man that cat is talented. If we have to be underdogs a little bit longer, still, we play best as the dark horse candidates. The road is long, but now, hey, so are we…

by doclinkin on Oct 8, 2008 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe the blog's name should be changed to....

“Waiting Until Next Year.”

Oh, that’s already taken?

I kid, I kid…….

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by Truth About It on Oct 8, 2008 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lottery as an upside?

that’s kind of hard to swallow, especially after the money we spent over the offseason.

that’s less glass half full and more glass always full no matter what.

i think it’s fair for people to be somewhat disheartened at the prospect of losing haywood for the season. that could REALLY hurt the team.

and we’re all holding our breath on jamison too.

cut the fans some slack.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 8, 2008 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't worry bout Jamison

They can dump his contract in three years.

by billyjoe on Oct 8, 2008 10:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll be ecstatic if I'm wrong, but...

I do appreciate doclinkin’s post, but I’d like to take it a step further by adding a little existentialism to his zen. Even at full health, the Wiz would have been hard-pressed to win an NBA championship this year. As Joe Biden’s grandma would say “God love em, but” their defense and toughness is still extremely suspect even with a healthy roster.

So, a day after the apocalypse (I’m assuming it’s an apocalypse anyway), what can we make of the rubble? Good opportunities for our young players? Check. Caron’s opportunity to become a mega-superstar? Check. Eddie Jordan’s chance to prove his system can generate wins, not just his roster talent? Check. But even if these three things play out to the positive, even if the players I didn’t mention have career years, there is no way we can make it past Cleveland, Detroit, and/or Boston (just to name a few). Making the playoffs would be a herculean achievement now.

I hate to say it, but the only thing that will push this team closer to its ultimate goal is ping-pong balls. Lots of em. We’ve had the Gilbert/Caron/Antawn/Haywood team for 3 years now (the Gilbert/Antawn/Haywood for 4). That’s an eternity in NBA years. As Templeton’s post said, injuries have derailed us every single year. It’s time for a talent infusion. If Haywood and Jamison are really out for the year, odds are we’ll get the ping-pong balls necessary to help us out.

by jvflail on Oct 8, 2008 11:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hard pressed this year...

Well sure. But who really thought we were Championship contenders this year? That’s the crux of my point. Where I’ll differ with you a little is the idea that we lack the raw talent to compete, unless you’re suggesting that the injury bug is endemic to this crew. That’s a point that’s hard to counter. Though Brendan’s been durable, Tawn has been durable, at some point fluke injuries ain’t a fluke anymore. We get more flukes than an infested bowel. (Pod of whales?)

Personally I don’t think winning the lotto is necessarily the ONLY answer. That’s just the default anti-suicide-watch circuit-breaker for Bu-zards fans when all else goes wrong.

Seems to me this team has enough raw talent to contend with anybody. Best to remember we was the only squad to beat last year’s World Champs 3 outta 4. Without our wounded hypertalent. And with our rookies still learning on the job. As the young players develop, we get deep enough to preserve legs for the rest of the year, and possibly another all-star develops on the roster. Or near all-star.

Now if the argument is that we may be a few pieces away. Sure, but it may be a matter of mix and match, just adding a talent here or there. But consider how last year’s World Champs were built. (And Miami before them). The team stockpiled young talent, then traded it for a vet who fit the team. The toughest position to draft is a talented high skill athletic Big. We have three with potential. Cheap. If we also have high-dollar veterans, still they are good-character high-dollar veterans. If you’re gonna swap your star+filler for someone else’s superstar you better have both equivalent contracts and good talent/potential to sweeten the pot.

And with multiple talents in the same position, it’s easy for another team to think they’d do better at polishing that talent. They see the flashes, and plausible reasons why there’s somebody in the way. But first you need a chance to showcase that talent. Get someone licking their chops. And if your guys prove good enough, you only trade them when you get the absolute best deal.

by doclinkin on Oct 8, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhh...that's the problem

We haven’t been able to really see this team at “full health” — save for that half a season when they were tearing up the East…and that’s before Haywood really came on, and before Blatche began to develop into what we are seeing now.

If we are going to assume this full health scenario, then I really don’t see a team that is head and shoulders above the Wizards in being able to contend for a championship.

Yes, we are unproven…but like I said, if we are working off assumptions…..

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by Truth About It on Oct 8, 2008 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Endemic Injuries = Problem

Besides Detroit, every NBA champion in the past 20 years had at least one healthy stud superstar. The Celtics/Lakers/Pistons of the 80s, the Bulls of the 90s, the mid-90s Rockets, the Lakers of the late 90s/early 00s, the Spurs of the 00s, the Heat in 05-06, and even last years Celtics had healthy superstars. The Detroit team in 03-04 had health, just not superstars.

Nevermind the superstar debate, our team can’t stay healthy long enough to prove its mettle in the playoffs, much less in the championship. This core has done enough, as Truth About It says, to earn the “when healthy” optimism, but time is running out in my eyes. Up until now, Jamison was the durable one; he hadn’t missed a playoff series. If he’s out for significant time (and I really hope he’s not), you could argue that our core is moving precipitously close to the “fragile” label. Teams with fragile superstars and unproven role players don’t win NBA championships; most don’t even make the playoffs.

I will root for this team no matter what, but a part of me sees the brightside to a lost season. Say Gilbert, Jamison, and Haywood don’t come back at all this year (absolute worst case scenario), 50 losses isn’t out of the question. Throw in a high lottery pick (OKU’s Blake Griffin in the best case scenario) and the 09-10 Wiz are stacked enough to survive the enivitable injury and still make playoff noise. It’s not the prettiest route to the promised land, but it may be faster than trying to milk it out of this made-of-glass roster.

by jvflail on Oct 8, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

I don’t thik Griffin is the best case scenario – He’s awfully good, but I think Ricky Rubio is gonna be in a class all by himself… The next Steve Nash / Jason Kidd. A perfect, spectacular Point Guard to build your team around…..

Move Gilbert Arenas to shooting guard
Move Antawn Jamison to the bench
Move Blatche to the PF slot

Then sit back and watch that team run opponents out of the gym with acrobatic, high flying, speedy Gonzalez, alley Oop, flash-ma-taz.

by Rook6980 on Oct 8, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just sayin'

Rubio just had surgery on his wrist….we are not having good luck in that department.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d take him in a second, but if not Rubio, maybe Brandon Jennings?

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by Truth About It on Oct 8, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well hey

Maybe he slides in the lottery far enough that we can get him then…

by doclinkin on Oct 8, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Butler may be injury prone...

Based on his size as compared to the controlled violence of his playstyle and position. And Gilbert may be a similar risk— though aside from this one injury he’s been pretty durable considering his minutes played.

But Jamison and Brendan aren’t usually at-risk. Brendan doesn’t play recklessley, even in defense he’s more ‘menacing’ than ‘punishing’. And Jamison’s entire game is predicated on avoiding contact, getting rid of the ball before the defense thinks he’ll shoot it (odd angles, odd timing). Even rebounding he calculates angles and intercepts the ball in the empty space, more than shoving opponents out of the way and bouncing off them.

That said, I’d agree with the argument that a team doesn’t win a ’chip without a (two-way) superstar. Detroit excepted.

Still it takes a ton of pingpong balls and prolonged crappy teams year after year or a ton of luck to shave those odds and win that top talent. Which of those scenariae [sic] sounds like the Wiz to you? Do we want to suck for a long time, or bank on getting lucky…

Personally I see another path that GMEG is taking.

Some of us bitch and moan that we’ll take a guy like Big Mopey (McGee) with the argument that he doesn’t help us right now. That Mario Chalmers is more of a need position. Joey Porter is a big defender. Ditto Josh Boone, Kyle Lowry, whomever. But Ernie is playing a different game. If you’re consistently ‘good’ it’s tough to draft a polished top 5 talent (and really with few exceptions the past few decades of Champions have all had a #1 #1 overall talent). So instead we snatch up the best raw talent available. Best upside regardless of position. And instead of tanking to select a top talent we hope to grow our own.

Bigs have the best bang for the buck here because of all the on-court positions true 7’ Bigs take the longest time to develop. If Andray Blatche were a junior in college right now (after his literal redshirt ‘freshman’ year) who doesn’t think he’d be a top 10 selection? Based on potential alone.

(I say top 10 since ‘character issues’ may have dropped him lower than his talent may deserve. On the other hand he sure wouldn’t have had to rent the poontang from a DC Cop if he were the literal BMOC. On the other other hand I’m sure he would have found other knuckleheadery to get into).

Same way JaVale McGee was underrated because he has yet to realize he’s not a guard, has to develop a big man’s game. Mario Chalmers will be good. But I guarantee you nobody is saying he ‘may be the top 3 most athletic’ guy at his position, as people have said about McGee.

But the point is, as of today these guys may not be the top lotto talent. But as they develop they’ll start to rise through the ranks of ‘best player in the draft’ on the year they came out. Only question is how quickly that happens and whether or not the Wiz wil benefit from their eventual upside. Whether by signing them longterm before they develop, or developing them swiftly, or by trading them for the final piece of a championship roster.

But the point is to do any of that they need experience to improve. And that’s where Brendan’s injury doesn’t torpedo the team longterm. This wasn’t our last best chance to win.

by doclinkin on Oct 8, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I'll say to you sir.....

1) I’ve questioned, but have always trusted, GMEG.

2) I’ve never been an advocate of trying to get Joey Porter on the basketball court…..I think he’d injure his own teammates in practice.

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by Truth About It on Oct 8, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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