Half-baked Hollinger thoughts
It's been a long day at zillions of family events for the Jewish New Year, so I'm pretty tired, but I did notice that Mr. John Hollinger issued another pessimistic prediction for our Wizards today. I've spilled tons of cyber ink trying to debunk his claims in the past, but at this point, it's not really worth the effort. I don't mean to disparage Hollinger at all by saying that (he's most certainly not a hack), but like Kelly Dwyer said earlier today, a writer that has a more negative opinion of your team than you only means that he has a different opinion that yours. It doesn't mean he's a "hater" or a bad writer by any means.
Hollinger certainly did his research on this piece, and lots of the things he wrote worry me. I'm particularly concerned about the backcourt without Arenas, which he mentioned several times and which I'll write more about tomorrow. That said, there are a few things that I can't let slide.
The quality of the Wizards' shooters is what allowed them to be such a low-turnover team the past two years: There's not as much risk of losing the ball if you don't have to dribble into traffic to get a shot off.
Not a huge fan of this point. I'll come back to this later, but while the Wizards certainly didn't shoot free throws as frequently as in years past, they still finished 11th in the league in free throws made per shot attempt. Essentially, for every 100 shots the Wizards attempted, they made 23.3 free throws (meaning they attempted even more. Granted, that same total would have placed them 21st in the league in 2007, but even without Arenas, they shot more free throws than the league median.
So Mr. Hollinger, perhaps the Wizards don't turn the ball over because they have good ballhandlers, not because they don't drive to draw fouls. Evidence from years past bears this out. In 2007, when the Wizards were sixth in the league in FTM/FGA, averaging 27.2 free throws made per 100 shot attempts, they finished second in the league in lowest turnover rate. Second! If the Wizards really had low turnover rates because they shot a lot of jumprs, then how does it follow that they turn the ball over even less when they draw more fouls?
I didn't like this deal for a number of reasons. First of all, as mentioned above, the Wizards punted on a chance to dramatically remake their team. Even failing that, they grossly overpaid. Washington actually offered Arenas a lot more than this amount, but talked him down to the $111 million figure for the good of the team.
If by "overpaid," you mean offered less annually than Golden State was ready to pay, and if by "dramatically remake their team," you mean "sign Chris Duhon or Beno Udrih for the MLE instead," then sure.
For starters, Arenas is going to miss half the season, and there's no guarantee that when he comes back he'll be the same player. (For that matter, there's no guarantee he won't need another surgery -- we've already had three false alarms on his return.)
This may sound like a good bet, but it's not a certainty. Arenas is talking about coming back by January at the latest ... that's only a third of the season. It's dishonest to put this out there like it's fact.
Heading into this season, two additional red flags stick out. First, center Brendan Haywood had a fluke-rule season a year ago -- that means we can expect his PER to dip by roughly three points from his career year of 2007-08.
Boo! This point bothered me the most. How did Haywood's PER go up? As mentioned here, mostly it was because of his improved free throw percentage and his lower turnover rate. It's true that his true shooting percentage and rebound rate were both better than his career average, but neither was a career-high. His usage rate was also the highest of his career, but it wasn't by much and there's a qualitative reason for that fact that'll manifest itself this year (the team's slower pace without Arenas, which suits Haywood better). The only areas where he abnormally stood out were free throws and turnovers. We'll see about turnovers, but are you willing to bet on Haywood's free throw percentage falling?
I didn't think so. But sure, apply a blanket "rule" without considering the specifics.
But sum it all up, and what you're left with is a team with two proven, star scorers and a lot of question marks surrounding them.
Earlier in the piece, Hollinger referred to six of these guys as making up a solid seven-man core last season (the seventh being Roger Mason), and now they're question marks? I mean, I get the age thing, but it's only one year and the group includes a young'in in Blatche and prime guys like Haywood and Stevenson. Those guys aren't the question marks, the question marks are guys outside the group. Guys like Nick Young, Juan Dixon, Dee Brown and Etan Thomas.
And then, there are teams like Orlando, Toronto and Cleveland that are chastised for their depth, yet are given much better records? Sure, we don't have LeBron, Chris Bosh or Dwight Howard, but why is the same logic used for those teams being applied to us?
Bottom line: We're winning more than 36. How much more, I don't know, and I doubt it'll be a ton more without Arenas around, but we're still better than Indiana, Miami, Chicago and Charlotte at least, aren't we?
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I think Hollinger’s prediction is based mostly off an assumption that Gilbert won’t play.contribute this season. Outside of the actual prediction I liked the article. I thought it had a lot of good information.
That’s not to say I agreed with everything said, for one I thought Daniels/Stevenson weren’t given enough credit for their contributions.
If the Wizards did lose GIlbert for the season, I don’t see a huge amount separating the team for the chasing pack in the East. There’s a lot of improvement in Indiana, Charlotte, Milwaukee and Miami … plus teams like Atlanta, Chicago could take steps forward depending on the progression their youth achieve. That’s 6 teams, there’s issues facing all of them but you’d have to fancy at least a couple of them working out in a positive manner. I think the Wizards, without Gil, could easily get sucked into a dogfight with a couple of those teams. But what would you expect when you lose your best player for a season? It’s tough not to fall back. For now the question is largely irrelevant because all indications are that Gilbert will play a large portion of the season and Gilbert does create a good degree of separation from the chasing pack.
by NBR on Oct 1, 2008 2:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Definitely more than 36....
The first month of the season is real opportunity. Shame that GA will be out for that time period – that said, I’m still throwing an optimistic 48 wins out there.
by AndNone on Oct 1, 2008 7:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how much fight does this team have left?
our core guys were warriors last year. i can’t see them sustaining that this year, at least not without quickly breaking down. through comments, AJ and CB have both suggested that they need to tone it back this year, and they’re right. plus, it’s not a contract year for AJ, and they’re not fighting to save the team, so it’s not a make or break year.
EG is betting on in-house development. with the salary situation, you kind of have to. but if the second unit is atrocious to the point where they can’t even win a summer league game, then we could be in trouble. even if the development occurs, which is very much in doubt, chances are the payoff would be next year, not this one.
the return of gilbert is a wild card. we could conceivably go on a run the second half of the year, even though the schedule is brutal. then again, he could be seriously rusty and cost us some games.
we’ll see. i have little faith in the second unit, but i still think 36 wins is a low prediction. hollinger should know better by now. there’s something he seems to consistently overlook regarding the wiz.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 1, 2008 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We'll be deep
So I’m not too worried about the core guys not longer being warriors.
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by Truth About It on Oct 2, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope you're right
but i’m going to have to see it to believe it.
and yes, it is ironic that our core guys used to be warriors in the golden state sense too – especially when we had larry hughes.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 3, 2008 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one thing that really bothered me was:
Hollinger says we had trouble defending the 3 because with Etan injured, we often had mismatches in the paint and were forced to double team or trap. He then says later on at the end of the article that size in the paint isn’t a “panacea” for defending the 3 and that we’ll still likely have trouble with it.
by hibachi on Oct 1, 2008 12:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't have a problem with that, actually
I read it as him saying “The Wizards’ three-point defensive problem go beyond getting Etan Thoma back,” which is definitely true.
My bigger issue was the zones and traps comment. By and large, Ayers got rid of those last season.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Oct 1, 2008 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hollinger probably assumes that Butler and Jamison will break down
and they could if EJ doesn’t lighten their workload. I think Etan makes a difference because it’s better to have him spelling Haywood then Blatche or Songaila. At least when Thomas is on the floor there won’t be a need to double team so much. I wonder what it will take to get Hollinger to pick the Wizards to be good?
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by George Templeton on Oct 1, 2008 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he picked the wiz to beat the cavs in the playoffs last year
now he might be punishing the wiz for that pick.
it seems he can’t get this team right either way, so maybe its good he picked us to suck.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 1, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a long-ass rant on RealGM about this
In the ESPN rankings thread. What the hell I’ll re-post here, apologies in advance for the length.
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Okay, here’s a pack of quibbles, scattered, but relevant:
Etan has nothing to do with the Wiz’ three point defense. Opponents hit threes whether or not a Big was in the game— there was no especial jump in 3pt tries when Darius and Dray were in the game. The Wiz were’t really forced to double Bigs— in fact opponents were more likely to take three point shots when Brendan was in the game since the paint was filled with an intimidating defender. Driving lanes were cut off. The decent 2pt FG% and lowered FT totals hints at the real reason: the team made a choice to emphasize defending the paint to the exclusion of all else.
There’s a reason for that: the Wiz starting line-up lacks large long instinctual and athletic defenders in most positions. They defend with their hustle not superior length, which will tend to tire you out — collapsing then closing out on shooters all game long. This is one reason why Wiz players could turn up the defense at critical times, and why the defense was better early in the season, but why they can’t sustain it longterm, or past December.
This plays into the team’s anemic point differential. Year after year the Wiz play in (and win) far too many close games. What’s accounting for that? Pretty simple answer: Too many minutes by starters, - plus- piss poor back-ups. This becomes a team constantly losing leads off the bench, no 48 minute domination, no games over by halftime so the starters can rest for the next game on the road trip. There’s too much fighting to regain lost leads or clawing back into games. The team steals more than it’s fair share of Wins, yes, but it exhausts the team in the second half of season, and don’t leave no “’nother level” for postseason play.
Compound with Fatigue, borne of that short rotation. Which leads to injuries. Now consider a team trying to rely on an active roster composed of ~25% Rookies averaging heavy minutes, teh team will tend to suffer.
What’s the cure? How can the team keep players fresh? See above— “active roster composed of [high % of now ex-]rookies, averaging heavy minutes” on a winning team, gaining valuable experience.
Hollinger banks on players declining, but rarely makes allowances for player improvement. Keep waiting on Jamison to drop off the table, John.. but if you check your stats you’ll see he has increased his PER, EFF/40, and ‘Win’ scores etc every year he’s been here. Ditto Caron. Ditto Mason. Gil before injury. Larry Hughes…
On the one hand: Daniels & Songaila may slide. On the other: Dom and Nick will likely improve. (And it’s hard to imagine that Pech would get any worse, for instance. Though for some reason Hollinger fixates on him as our only hope). Then you add a player like Dee Brown, who was showing solid improvement late in his rookie year. (Take a look at April 2007, where he had a few games wracking up assists. In one game notching 9 dimes in 15 minutes). The probability is he improves as well.
BUt key among them is a young player in his third full year, when traditionally players begin to come into their own. Last year’s back-up Center, this year’s probable first forward off the bench. Andray Blatche has been improving steadily every year in every metric. Already this past year he had a better than NBA average 15.5 PER (compared to Darius’ 12-ish), the year before that: 12.1; before that: 9.9— shoot if he keeps that up he’ll tally a PER of 19+ this year like Andris Biedrins, Paul Pierce, David West…
So we lose 10 pts a game of Roger Mason. There’s no chance we make up that difference with better performance out of improved ex-rookies + Blatche?
Now consider the cascade effect of a young big high energy uptempo bench. Most teams add one rookie who might play, and a round 2 guy who probably won’t. Few winning teams have a roster of young talent as apprentices on the bench. Our starters sit, we dump out:
—One Man fast break
—Best athlete in his draft class Nick Young to finish on the break
—Rebounding Prodigy Dom McGuire, with a developing jumper
—Multitool Manchild Andray Blatche
—The Resurrected Etan Thomas playing with a frenzy
(Or the genetic experiment of ideal Big Javale McGee, athletic 7 foot freak of NBA breeding program. Or Pecherov. Like he said).
They don’t even have to be good, just active and full of energy and willing to foul and run run run run run.
None of these are players who have been conclusively proven to suck on their own merit (see ‘Hayes, Jarvis’ and ‘Ruffin, Mike’) all are likely on the upslope of improvement. So even if they played the exact same minutes as last year, the probability is they each produce a little more until their talent is completely maxed. However low that max may be. But ya never know, with so many yougn active Bigs, we may end up able to make a trade one of these years to add depth in that backcourt or whatever. Even if you don’t trust Juan Dixon or whomever.
Just saying, Hollinger only studies the ‘20 minutes and up’ players, and 1st round picks, and assumes the snapshot of last year’s stats tell the whole story. And in the case of the Wiz he seems to think it’s a fluke every year that they win despite questionable FG efficiency — as though they don’t consistently rank highly in Offensive rebounds and turnover differential. That’s what this team does. The fluke is that Arenas has been injured so long. And that our FT totals are down.
Plus hey, never know, we might get Gilbert back this year…
by doclinkin on Oct 1, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Great Analysis
Good stuff here. I rec’d it. You bring a different perspective on a lot of points.
One small bone of contention I may have with one of your points: your discussion of the Wizards three-point defense. Is your analysis based on general observation or do you have stats that you can link? Based on my general observation, the Wizards appeared to double-team in the post a lot more when Brendan wasn’t in the game. This always left someone open on the perimeter. This seemed like the biggest reason why the Wizards were giving up a high percentage of threes. It wasn’t because the Wizards took away all other options, it looked like it was because they were leaving guys wide open on the perimeter. Again, just my observation, and I could be wrong.
Your statement below seemed to contradict your argument on this.
They defend with their hustle not superior length, which will tend to tire you out — collapsing then closing out on shooters all game long.
Brendan has superior length, so why would the Wizards need to collapse and close out when his man has the ball? Only when Brendan was on the bench (40% of the game) did this become particularly exasperating. When you have Darius Songaila guarding someone like Dwight Howard, collapsing and then closing out are your only options.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Oct 1, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually......
“When you have Darius Songaila guarding someone like Dwight Howard, collapsing and then closing out are your only options.”
That’s NOT your only option….
Why not allow Dwight Howard to shoot… Even if he does make 60% of those shots… they’re still just 2-point shots !!! That’s still the same as giving up 40% on 3-point shots….
by Rook6980 on Oct 1, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless...
Howard draws contact while making an easy shot. Still, it’s pick your poison in that situation. I suppose Eddie would rather give up an easy shot from 21 feet than from 2 feet.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Oct 1, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny...
I was going to respond but Ivan did it for me on his chat yesterday:
“Ivan Carter: I touched on that the other day in the paper. Ayers and Eddie are placing a strong emphasis on closing out on shooters more aggressively but doing it without getting beaten off the dribble. A lot of the open threes last year came when a guy got beat, help rotated and a shooter was left open on the weak side. I’ve heard the coaches yelling "contain, contain, contain” quite a bit."
Point being it’s less about the double team in the post and more about the help defense that’s been killing the Wiz. The bad habits initiated when Gil and Jamison began sharing the court: Gil watches the ball waiting for the next offensive chance (and losing track of his man), and Tawn simply can’t stay in front of his man, and he’s too small to challenge PF’s in the paint. Help defense was the only D they had — and usually it was Jared Jeffries or Haywood doing all the helping.
Opponents learned to pick and roll to force a switch and get whatever match-up they needed. Then either blow by or pull up. Or in the post, simply feed it to their Big and let him put his ass on the undersized Tawn. Eddie compensated with a real mess of gimmicky zones, and emphasized help D, Team D. But the help rotation has been as much about covering extra man when Brendan helps out Jamison as it is about closing off lanes and challenging the mid-range pull-up (this last one is kinda stupid, IMO). It’s also about dropping in blindside and swiping for steals (Eddie’s metier as a player). If a little guy is on Brendan’s man, it’s not because they’re doubling down to help him, it’s because his man gets loose behind him when he’s helping out elsewhere. (Often trapping the pick and roll at the top of the key, then collapsing back underneath - ‘show and recover’). Whereas Darius- If Darius is beat (aout half the time nowadays) he usually just fouls his man and hangs on tight.
The habit of help D means you tend to cheat towards your opponent’s man expecting him to get beat so you won’t have to travel so far to cover for him. So the Wiz tend to ‘pack it in’ on Defense. I’m pretty sure it’s inadvertent, but in their case it’s a bad habit. Good D defends the paint honestly, plays tight on the three point shooter, and gives up the mid-range shot just inside the arc—- figuring it as a low % shot that’s only worth 2 pts.
One reason why the mid-range pull-up is an important skill: teams will give you that shot if you can beat your man.
Point being: doubling in the post isn’t the scheme, helping Jamison is. Doubling is an accidental byproduct. But if we can move him to SF and fill the paint with 7 footers, it’s no big deal if his man beats him, they can just take that mid-range shot. They’re not getting into the paint with two true Bigs waiting for them.
Good D requires one intimidating post presence, and one lockdown perimeter defender. We have only one of the two, plus at least one weak defender outside and frontcourt playing heavy minutes, so we’ve had to overcompensate with team schemes.
by doclinkin on Oct 2, 2008 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I See Your Point
It’s not just about doubling down low, it’s about doubling everywhere. That’s discouraging. I’m curious, though. Do you not think DeShawn qualifies as a lockdown perimeter player? Or do you not think that Brendan is an intimidating post presence?
Personally, I don’t fault either for the Wizards poor defense. I would alter your theory to include the need for at least one more good defender, either on the wing or in the post.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Oct 2, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes on Breendan, no on DeSteve
DeShawn’s good. He gives good effort, and relative to the rest of the team he’s very good, but when has he ever shut down the opponent’s best perimeter player? He’ll make them work for their points, but not hold them say 5-8 points below their season average, much less force them to offensively foul or swing at him in frustration or lose the ball off their foot, etc.
Prince, Artest, Bowen, Kobe, Raja Bell, etc. There’s elite, then there’s good.
Brendan however, he’s a game-changer. It’s subtle because the rest of the team is terrible, but opponents don’t drive when Big Woo dis in the paint. SI had a defensive analysis a couple years back showing the drop in FG% and increase in perimeter attempts when a given player was in the game. Big Wood was #2 league wide, just behind Mutombo. It helps that he’s got the tallest standing reach in the past 10-15 drafts of any active player not named Yao Ming.
(Well, and now Javale McGee passes Brendan).
by doclinkin on Oct 2, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes
DeShawn’s good. He gives good effort, and relative to the rest of the team he’s very good, but when has he ever shut down the opponent’s best perimeter player? He’ll make them work for their points, but not hold them say 5-8 points below their season average, much less force them to offensively foul or swing at him in frustration or lose the ball off their foot, etc.
I agree that DeShawn is not an elite defender, but I still think he’s real good with a chance to develop into elite status. I could be wrong. I really felt he did a number on LeBron in the last regular season game against Cleveland. LeBron was bricking layups and committing offensive fouls (obvious ones that even King James-friendly NBA refs had to call) out of frustration.
Of course, the story was different in the playoffs, but I blame that more on the Agent Zero on-again/off-again drama, as well as DeShawn’s media feud with LeBron, than on DeShawn’s actual defense in that series. Perhaps I’m just falling for wishful thinking.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Oct 2, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put it this way
What team has to gameplan to avoid DeShawn?
Again, I like the guy a ton. He plays his role with complete and utter dedication, injured or healthy. Gives 100% of his talent. I don’t see how much more he could raise his game, he’s pretty close to maxed out. (His handle on the attack and his passing could be better, but that’s on Offense, and not his role anyway). He’s our best perimeter defender, but he’s not gonna get much better.
Caron is above average, but he’s 6’5" (measured in socks). He’s gonna have length mismatches even with his wingspan. Still with his improved conditioning (and hopefully ‘health’, one of these years) he actually has room to improve his game. His idol Paul Pierce used to be a disinterested defender and picked up pretty quick now didn’t he? Caron could move his feet more quickly on the perimeter, and improved fitness will tend to quicken his reaction time.
The [player who has the greatest room to improve jsut on conditioning and technique is Bulletproof Andray Blatche. And of course Javale McGee. If either one of these guys developed the proper form and worked the helloutta their cardio fitness and core strength they could be terrifying defenders. Tayshaun Prince ain’t all that quick, he’s just long and smart with good conditioning and excellent fundamentals.
We hear tell Blatche is better this year, when he used to hate the fitness work. He looks quicker in training camp clips. Never know. He definitely gets under LeBron’s skin already…
by doclinkin on Oct 2, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another one
Another player with the potential to be very good defensively is McGuire. I believe that he could guard all those elite Small Forwards in the league, and even some big Shooting Guards. He just needs time, and continued work.
by Rook6980 on Oct 2, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah him too.
I built the original bandwagon on the Dominator. But in order not to become a one player fan I try to temper my yodeling occasionally.
I still fully expect him to live up to his promise. He’s already tamed one of his bad habits: jumping at the hint of a flinch of a suggestion of a pumpfake.
The knock on him in college was that he asked him a question, you better pronounce your answer aloud. Cause if you just nodded your head "yes’ he’d jump right out the building.
Other than that, his basics and fundamentals are better from the start than either Javale or Dray. His bad habits not quite as bad— that’s all I’m saying. He needs experience more than anything, whereas the other two both need some basic fundamental re-working of the concept of defense.
He has a shorter way to go to live up to his promise.
by doclinkin on Oct 2, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
The 3-point shot is the great equalizer in the NBA. It takes only 4 possessions to get 12 points when shooting 3’s – whereas it takes 6 possessions shooting 2’s.
I remember many games last year (not just one, or a few), where the Wizards failed to locate the hot shooter. One of the most basic tenants of Basketball Defense is find the shooter… The one or two guys that can really hurt you. Don’t let them have an easy shot. If they take a contested 3 and make it – fine. But find them before they cross the half court line…….
Time and time again last year, the Wizards looked like they were inviting the best 3-point shooter on the opponent’s team to shoot the ball.
Dwight Howard may get 2 points in the paint – and yes, he may even draw the foul…. (may)… but at least that shot is contested.
Almost every NBA player, if they’re WIDE OPEN, can hit a high percentage of 3-point shots. And I’llI even include Centers, and brick layers like Michael Ruffin in that statement. They’re Professional NBA Basketball players for a reason…..
No – improve the pick-and-roll defense, and take away the easy 3-point shots, and the Wizards Defense will improve dramatically (even if they give up more points in the paint)…
by Rook6980 on Oct 1, 2008 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Almost every NBA player, if they’re WIDE OPEN, can hit a high percentage of 3-point shots. And I’llI even include Centers, and brick layers like Michael Ruffin in that statement. They’re Professional NBA Basketball players for a reason…..”
Not sure what you mean by this. Not everyone can hit a 3. Open or not.
I’m one of Ruffin’s biggest fans, but they guy couldn’t hit an uncontested layup. Shooting 3’s against Gil and Deshawn, I predict that Ruffin would hit 1 out of 100. If he got lucky.
by MR on Oct 1, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was exaggerating for effect
I’m with you, Ruffin couldn’t hit an open 15-footer, but the point still stands.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Oct 2, 2008 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I'm 100% on board with this
Surely a somewhat contested 2 footer is an easier shot than an uncontested three.
A three is more damaging, sure, but it’s not easier, is it?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Oct 2, 2008 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eddie and Randy Probably Agree With You
Which is why they often collapse the defense into the paint, especially when Brendan is not on the floor (and, unfortunately, many times even when he was on the floor).
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Oct 2, 2008 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the Other Hand
Rook brings up a very good point about the impact of the 3-pointer vs. the 2-pointer. Even if a 3-point shooter makes 15% less shots than a low-post player, he’ll still do more damage on the scoreboard (assuming the low-post player is not frequently fouled). I too would rather see the Wizards collapse a lot less and stay on their man on the perimeter a lot more. This all depends on having big, strong low-post defenders that can guard their counterparts one-on-one. Only Brendan qualified last season.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Oct 2, 2008 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree with you or Rook
Let’s be clear. The fact that a three is more damaging is enough to question the philosophy. That’s just different than saying it’s an easier shot.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Oct 2, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely
Protect the rim…. That’s all we heard last year. Collapsing the defense into the paint…. then expecting Antonio Daniels, Blatche, or Jamison to sprint out to the 3-point line to get a hand up. Mostly, only showing up at the 3-point line late enough to see the ball falling through the bottom of the net.
Perhaps a somewhat contested 2-point shot is easier than a wide open 3-point shot…. I don’t really know what “somewhat” contested means… What I do know is that the Wizards were constantly late in closing out on shooters at the 3-point line. They gave up WAY too many wide open shots.
At least Haywood, Blatche and Thomas could be considered decent defenders in the paint, and I would expect them to at least get a hand up. When you’re running out to the line from 15 feet away, there’s no chance to contest the shot.
Adjusted for pace, the Wizards defense was not much better last year than from the year before…. The constant theme in both years was poor 3-point defense. I’m just suggesting that something needs to change.
I’d rather see Ilgauskas, Howard, Brand or Wallace make a contested 2-point shot, than see Damon Jones, Chris Quinn, Jarvis Hayes , or some other journeyman raining down 3’s like they’re layups.
by Rook6980 on Oct 2, 2008 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let Me Summarize the Perimeter Defense Arguments
Everyone here recognizes that the Wizards 3-point defense is horrid. What everyone can’t seem to agree on is the cause. I believe this debate boils down to two schools of thought.
School #1
This school believes the problem with the perimeter defense is that the Wizards don’t have good perimeter defenders. Doclinkin appears to subscribe to this school. I remember during the offseason that many here were clamoring that we take a guy like Mario Chalmers instead of Roy Hibbert because we really didn’t need a low-post defender but rather a perimeter defender. The theory was that we can defend the paint just fine, but our perimeter guys like Butler, Stevenson, Arenas, Daniels, and Young couldn’t stay with their man around screens and were giving up too many treys as a result. This school also believed that we bring in a defensive-minded small forward as a free-agent, like a Matt Barnes or a James Posey.
I do not belong to this school and I believe that this school misses the point.
School #2
This school believes the poor perimeter defense is born from poor strategy and not poor man-on-man defending. This school believes there is nothing wrong with Butler’s and Stevenson’s defense. This school understands that Arenas, Young, and Daniels aren’t good defenders, but their impact is much less in this area than the overall defensive strategy.
School #2 has witnessed countless times where perimeter defenders left their man on the perimeter to double-team a player in the low-post, only to see that open perimeter player drain a wide-open 3-pointer seconds later, while the defender desperately tries to close out on him too late. School #2 recognizes this as a strategy flaw.
Furthermore, School #2 believes that the real problem is the lack of trust between the Wizards coaching staff and the Wizards low-post defenders, much of which is justified. Many in School #2 believe that the only cure for this collapse and close-out defensive strategy flaw is to bring in or develop guys to defend the low-post better, thus negating the need to double-team and enable perimeter defenders to actually stay on their men and defend them.
This is the school I subscribe to. I say bring in James Posey or Matt Barnes if you want, but until we can defend the low-post, we’re still going to be watching wide-open 3-pointers while Posey and/or Barnes are standing in the paint.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Oct 2, 2008 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
School #3 -- offfense/defense balance
(AKA ‘Blame Jamison’)
See my reply above.
In brief: gimmicky defenses can partially cover for a poor defender, but eventually they break down. The problem is compounded when the defender is most often a post player since all perimeter threats funnel into the post. If one perimeter defender is terrible: one opponent gets an easy shot; but if one post player is terrible, any penetration gets an easy shot.
Hair-pulling Conundrum is: Jamison is critical for offensive spacing. Player-pairs regressions reveal that Jamison’s presence accounts for an uptick in the eFG% of the teammates on the floor with him. This despite NEVER racking an assist. When he is a perimeter threat, the Bigs follow him outside and the paint is open for wing attackers etc.
Plus, he’s our best rebounder, though to do so he floats off his man and tracks down the ball in open space. Not the best defensive technique, but like most of his unorthodox game it works for him where it wouldn’t work for anyone else. And on this team, it’s critical.
Solution: perimeter-shooting True Bigs who can rebound and defend underneath.
Complication: they ain’t easy to find or breed or grow on your own.
One possible method of resolution: Draft finesse Bigs in Bulk. Draft 4 or 5 of them, one is bound to pan out and eventually take Jamison’s place in the starting line, bumping him to the bench where his hustle and energy etc will still help.
Otherwise methods for future trial? Stockpile talent for future trades & Steal Kevin Garnett from Minnesota? (scratch that…) Scrap the gimmicky offense despite success and revert to more traditional Pro sets? (Keep that idea on the backburner). Land a finesse Center instead and have your low-skill muscle defender at the 4 spot (possible).
by doclinkin on Oct 2, 2008 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even More Discouraging
This may be why we’ll never advance deep in the playoffs with Jamison on our team. His presence causes huge complications for our defense, but he has established himself as an offensive necessity. And I don’t think he’ll ever allow himself to come off the bench. He has too much pride and would probably retire first, or demand to be traded.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Oct 2, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true.
He has said he fully expects Dray to take his spot. Has told him he wants him to. But Dray’s gonna have to work to earn and deserve it. Jamison’s not gonna jsut roll over and hand it to him, Dray has to outwork him.
This was in the context of a conversation where Jamison was telling Dray to take the first bus to shootaround. The quote went something like:
“Do you make 12 million dollars a year? Did you just make an all-star team? Do you see Caron taking the late bus? Do you see me taking the late bus? You get here on the first bus. When you make your first all-star team then you can take the late bus…”
And in quotes this year he has said the team needs Dray to start to take some of his minutes. Jamison has pride, but he’s made a ton of money and at this point he just wants to be on a winning team and good situation. I think if Jamison could deliver a Championship to Abe Pollin, he’d come off the bench to do it, no question. But the guy ahead of him has got to be better than him, and working harder, and racking accolades.
And frankly from a team leader that’s the attitude I expect. dray needs to work his ass off, why expect anything less?
by doclinkin on Oct 2, 2008 12:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I Remember That Quote
And I understand that Jamison wants more out of Andray. But I doubt he’d be willing to give up his starting position anytime soon. Maybe in a couple of seasons. He’s still one of the few 20-10 guys in the league and is coming off of another All-Star appearance. If Eddie tried to make him into a sixth man at any point in this or next season, I think AJ would be offended.
One part of the quote you left out was when AJ said he had taken the late bus when he played in Dallas because he didn’t like playing there. Why was he upset about playing in Dallas? Probably because he was coming off of the bench when he felt he deserved to be a starter.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Oct 2, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
And the all-star selections prove he deserved to be a starter, right?
Does Dray? Not yet he doesn’t. And we ain’t wining the championship this year anyway. But when Dray is averaging a consistent 20/10 (avg. per 36 minutes played, not per game) on good %‘s with improved defense etc, then he can start to make that case. As of right now he’s shown flashes and promise, but no consistency.
So what, we’re year or two away. In the mean time, as he begins to take some minutes our defense may improve overall simply because of the reduction in fatigue etc. not to mention the addition of length, shot blockers, etc, etc.
by doclinkin on Oct 2, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Not So Sure
And the all-star selections prove he deserved to be a starter, right?
Not necessarily. AJ was coming off the bench because Dirk Nowitzki and Antoine Walker were starting. Antoine Walker had made the All-Star Game in the two seasons previous to 03-04, and Dirk was Dirk. So the Mavericks could easily make the case for AJ coming off the bench, but AJ still didn’t like it. He knew he had the talent to start, and he didn’t necessarily care that he didn’t have the talent to start in Dallas. Walker may have had a poor season in Dallas, but he had earned the right to start. AJ had not made a single All-Star Game at that point. But that didn’t matter to AJ’s pride.
AJ is a gentleman and a leader, but in many ways, he looks out for #1. Prime example – Gilbert Arenas gave back $14 million this offseason so that the Wizards could add talent to help build towards a championship. What did AJ do? Demand every last nickel that he felt he deserved or could get from somewhere else. I’d be lying if I told you that I didn’t lose a little bit of respect for AJ after those contract negotiations. Gil proved he was in it for a championship. AJ looked like he was in it for himself.
You can read more about my thoughts on AJ’s contract here.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Oct 2, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's a little harsh
I mean, in the history of pro sports I think Gil is the only one to ever give money back to help the team (possible other in Duncan). This is probably Jamison’s last big contract. He doesn’t have the outside income from endorsements etc like Gil. I don’t blame him for getting what he can. You’d do the same.
Arenas is also a special case because if the team does well his endorsement deals will skyrocket and dwarf the cash he left on the table. Doesn’t really apply to Jamison.
by MR on Oct 2, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus Arenas negotiated without an agent
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Mike Prada on Oct 2, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeh, I disagree on Jamison.
He’s said all the right things, helps mentor Blatche, exemplifies professionalism in his own play, works his tail off, takes stitches in his face at halftime, has been one of our most durable players and paradoxically most important.
It should say something about his game that despite his obvious and glaring defensive shortcomings he’s still been one of the most important players on the team. Given his durability, you could likely say he’s been more influential in the Wiz’ recent success than any other player on the team. As far as ‘wages of wins’ is concerned, Jamison actually earned that ungodly amount of moolah — or so says the ‘relative value’ and win share calculations (per team win).
Should he simply step aside to let a guy play who hasn’t made the same effort and sacrifices? Plays without the consistent effort? Hell no.
Dray will take the starting spot when hes’ ready. I have no doubt he will, as I have no doubt that he’s not yet ready. But Jamison’s primary job is to play the best he can night in and night out and set a higher bar for Dray to hurdle. That’s just called competition. It’s a good thing.
We can worry about who might or might not take the starting spot, and how he’ll react, when it’s been demonstrated that there’s somebody better than him. Despite his defensive liabilities, we ain’t there yet.
by doclinkin on Oct 2, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please Don't Get Me Wrong
I’m not saying I hate Jamison or anything like that. I didn’t even say that I lost a lot of respect for him, but rather just a little bit. I still greatly admire AJ’s game, his leadership, and his professionalism.
But let’s be honest here. Your argument is that when Blatche is ready to start (i.e. starts putting up better numbers than AJ), that Jamison is just going to happily go to the bench in order to help the team win. I have a lot of optimism for Andray, but I think you underestimate the size of the hurdle he has to leap.
AJ has said he wants Andray to step up his game, but only in the context of relieving his minutes so he can get more rest. Jamison has demonstrated from his comments about his experience in Dallas and from his contract negotiations that he regards himself as a star player and that he believes he should always be starting, regardless of who is better than him. If he was unhappy not starting ahead of Nowitzski or Walker, then how much more unhappy will he be if he has to come off the bench for a young guy who has only recently started to outperform him? He may be a professional, but he has a lot of pride also. My guess is that Andray would have to put up significantly better numbers over an entire season before AJ would be willing to go to the bench. Even if Blatche develops early, AJ will probably stunt his growth by at least a season and a half. More likely, Blatche will only realize his true potential when Jamison retires in 4 to 5 seasons.
Revisiting the contract negotiations, I agree that Gil did something few players in any sport have ever done. Still, he set the precedent and I really thought that AJ would follow Gil’s lead and help this team build for a championship. I thought I saw that in his character, based on the other sacrifices I’ve seen him make for this team. But I was wrong.
The man racked in over $16 million last season, so he didn’t need the money. You say I would do the same, but I would like to think that once I made as much money as Jamison, I would put winning a championship over a couple of extra million dollars per year. Gil has made less money and is a lot younger than Jamison, but he was willing to do this. Jamison’s time for winning a championship is running out, yet he wasn’t willing to do the same.
I hope I’m wrong about Jamison. By all accounts, Blatche is poised to explode in his production and development this season. If that happens, I hope Jamison is honorable enough to step down into a lesser role. If that happens, as you have intelligently pointed out, the Wizards will have a tremendous opportunity to improve their defense. But I’m not holding my breathe.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Oct 3, 2008 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are assuming way too much way too early about Blatche. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. He could develop into an all star caliber player, but that’s no lock. In fact on this very board, this honorable gathering of the most learned, intelligent, introspective Wizards fans in the free world 76% of respondents thought Blatche would eventually develop into “borderline all-star”, “not quite all star”, or “solid, not spectacular” just one month ago. Based on some good reports from training camp our ACTUAL all star should be swept aside? The guy who is the glue that keeps the team together? The guy that is asked every year to carry the team while the other star players recover from injury?
Sorry, I’d like to see results, not potential from Blatche first. I hope and pray he is the league MVP this year. Or that he makes the all star team. Or that he shows some of the potential a lot of us think is there. But there is a long way from where Blatche is to where Jamison is.
As to the situation in Dallas, I think it’s possible that Jamison’s unhappiness stemmed from the actual trade, from being a top option on one team to being a sixth man on another. I’m not sure he was upset that he should necessarily be starting ahead of the other fwds on that team, just that he shouldn’t have been sent someplace that was overcrowded at his position.
Finally about the money…believe me, it’s never enough. 16 million? That’s nothing. Money is money and you can never have enough. I don’t begrudge Jamison his payday.
Thanks for the thoughtful comments.
by MR on Oct 3, 2008 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the Response
I appreciate your comments, but I think you didn’t read my comments carefully and the context of the discussion thread they were made in. Nobody is arguing that Blatche should take over the starting PF spot over Jamison right now. Everyone will readily state that Blatche isn’t ready yet. Yet both Doclinkin and I believe that Blatche has a lot of potential and has made a lot of progress and could reach that level very soon.
What we are arguing about is what happens if Blatche does indeed overtake Jamison with his performance. For example, let’s say Blatche starts producing 21 points and 11 rebounds per 36 minutes over a 15 game stretch later this season. Doclinkin thinks that were this to happen, Jamison would graciously step down into a sixth-man role and allow Blatche to take over. I’m arguing that that’s very unlikely to happen, based upon what I’ve seen from Jamison. I think that Blatche would have to do this over at least a full season before Jamison is willing to accept that he’s not better than Blatche and that Blatche is the future of this team. Even if that were to happen, if Jamison is still averaging close to 20/10 a night, I don’t think he would step down quietly.
The reason that’s a big deal is because, as Doclinkin has pointed out, Jamison causes big problems for our defense. If Blatche can someday produce the offense that Jamison provides, then he should be promoted to starter as soon as possible for defensive reasons. Yet I think Jamison would stunt Blatche’s growth, if Blatche ever started to realize his full potential in the next couple of seasons.
Who knows why Jamison was unhappy in Dallas? The point is that he went from a cellar-dwellar in Golden State to being on a playoff team in Dallas, and instead of graciously accepting his role as a sixth-man and doing everything he could to help his team advance in the playoffs, he complained and took the second bus because he wasn’t starting over proven All-Stars. No, he would rather be traded to another cellar-dwellar like the Wizards and sign a max contract and be a starter. Thank God he did, it was to our benefit, but it doesn’t speak well of his commitment to a championship or to his willingness to do what’s best for his team, if that means doing something that’s not best for AJ.
As for the money, you said:
Finally about the money…believe me, it’s never enough. 16 million? That’s nothing. Money is money and you can never have enough. I don’t begrudge Jamison his payday.
That would have been more true if Gilbert hadn’t already announced that he was giving back money to help the team build for a championship. But Gil did decide that a certain amount of money is enough. My favorite quote from him this offseason:
What can I do for my family with $127 million that I can’t do with $111 million?
True, he made that comment after Jamison signed, but he had indicated through his blog that he was going to give back a lot of money before Jamison signed. He also insisted that Jamison be signed first. Jamison could have used this as an opportunity follow in Gil’s footsteps. Prada summed it up well at the time:
Like DWF, I’m upset that Antawn didn’t do what Gilbert is being asked to do. If Antawn really shared the same vision as Gilbert and really thinks this team is close to a championship, he would have accepted the 3 year/27 million dollar offer, instead of having his agent be really immature about it and ask for 4 years/80 million. Imagine if Gilbert did that? People here would never forgive him. Yet because Antawn is this supposed classy guy, he gets away with that.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Oct 3, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cuppettcj-
Sorry if you feel I misunderstood you, but I think we just have a difference of opinion. If Blatche started producing 21/11 per 36 over a 15 game stretch it would be a great couple of weeks. Jamison has been doing that for years. If I were the coach that would not cause me to supplant a starter and all star. I think Eddie would agree with me. In fact I think every coach in the league would agree with me. If you want to discuss whether a coach going to a veteran and all star mid season to ask him to give up his starting role for a young player that has just started to show signs of his potential…well I just think that hypothetical is too far fetched to deserve too much of your and my valuable time. If it were to happen and Jamison were upset I would 100% agree with him.
Now I happen to love Jamison. I do recognize his weaknesses as a player. If he were a first team all defensive player he would be one of the great PFs of our time. As is he is a player whose offense and leadership on and off the court outweigh his liabilities.
I also have an immense respect for Jamison as a person. Perhaps that causes me to see his actions in a positive light, where you might see a negative side. That’s fine. Neither of us were in the Dallas locker room or in Jamison’s confidence during that time so we really can’t know. I give him the benefit of the doubt you don’t. We can’t know who is closer to the truth.
As for the money thing, I really think you are going overboard. The NBA is a business and people get paid what they can. Just because Arenas is…how should I put it…a unique person doesn’t mean that the world dances to his beat. To frown on Jamison for getting his payday is unfair in my opinion. Again, Gilbert has some outstanding circumstances that will lead him to make up that money and more should the team do well. I don’t see Jamison having the same circumstance.
by MR on Oct 3, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then You Agree
When I said:
And I understand that Jamison wants more out of Andray. But I doubt he’d be willing to give up his starting position anytime soon. Maybe in a couple of seasons. He’s still one of the few 20-10 guys in the league and is coming off of another All-Star appearance. If Eddie tried to make him into a sixth man at any point in this or next season, I think AJ would be offended.
If out-producing AJ over 15 games hypothetically (which is about a month of NBA basketball, BTW, not just a couple of weeks) is not enough for Blatche to supplant Jamison, then what is? My original point was that Jamison is a liability to the defense, in agreement with Doclinkin, but that the Wizards weren’t going to be able to remedy this problem for at least a couple of seasons. Do you disagree with that assessment? If so, what part?
You can continue to make the argument of Jamison’s record of production over Blatche for a long time. When you say, “it would be a great couple of weeks. Jamison has been doing that for years,” you could just as easily say that “Blatche has had a great season, but Jamison has been doing that for years.” So when is it ever good enough for Blatche? You seem to be making my point for me. Jamison is not giving up his starter position any time soon. So whatever liabilities Jamison has, get used to them.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Oct 6, 2008 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One More Thing
I also greatly respect Jamison. But just a little less than I used to. I used to think that Gilbert was a bit of a selfish player who did things to promote himself at the expense of the team sometimes. On the other hand, I used to think AJ was the ultimate team player who always put his team in front of himself. But after this past offseason, I’ve rethought this. Gil cared more for his team, and he put his money where his mouth was. AJ acted, like you said, just like any other NBA player.
I should point out that I think that the average NBA player is selfish, but I guess that makes it all OK. As long as you’re not more selfish than everyone else besides Agent Zero, you’ll get a pass.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Oct 6, 2008 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth...
… I agree with MR.
Jamison has said he fully expects Dray to take his job. He has said he’s had to mature a ton since Golden State and even since landing here. He takes his role as a team leader very seriously, has spoken with great fondness about his respect for Abe Pollin.
When it comes to negotiations, Gilbert is rare that he does not have an agent. Most players step out of the way and allow their agents to do the negotiating. Jamison’s agent had a TON of leverage this year since Jamison’s deal was to get done first and Gilbert said if he wasn’t signed then Gil would skip. This is Tawn’s last deal in the league (in all probability) his agent will never get a cut quite so big, and Gil was the guy saying ‘get all you can, it’ll come out of my deal afterward’.
I have the same respect for Jamison I ever had. And I take him at his word when he says Dray will move him out of the starting line. I have no problem with the estimation that we will be a champs contender when Jamison is bumped to the bench — but that’s because it means Andray has begun to live up to his talent and has moved Tawn aside on merit.
As of right now, Dray isn’t even a better defender than Jamison. Jamison had the league’s second best ON/Off stats, behind only Steve Nash. And for most of the year Jamison was 1st on that list. That is: the team was 14 points better with Jamison on court than with him off court.
And defensively the team was ~3 points worse with him off court. That’s good for just outside the top 20 most effective players in On/Off defensive stats. That’s not something you bump aside easily.
By contrast, Dray was in the top 10 worst players in terms of opponent Free Throws given up. Good for almost 6 extra free throws for the other team per 100 possessions. That’s all hella hacking.
Point being. If Dray becomes all-star caliber, and bumps Tawn to the bench, we’ve got a sincerely nasty team. But give him a couple years man, he’s not there yet. This is a redshirt Junior who caught a bulletwound int he lungs and shooting hand his freshman year, and has just started to learn how to actually work like it matters. Let him look up to Jamison’s work ethic and see how to act like it matters. We’ve got time.
by doclinkin on Oct 3, 2008 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Great Stats
I did observe that Jamison had improved his defense last season, but I didn’t realize that it was by that much. Keep in mind that the Wizards gave up 3.9 more points per 48 minutes when Jamison was on the court in 2006-07. So the fact that they gave up 3.3 points less this past season is a remarkable turnaround.
So my question to you, if you’re still following this thread, is do you still stand by your original assertion that Jamison is a liability to the Wizards defense? Or are you now claiming that you changed your mind? If the Wizards are 3.3 points better defensively with him on the court, is there still a problem?
As for Blatche, I do think he’s a better defender than Jamison when he doesn’t foul. That’s something that he can improve on with increased bulk, coaching, and experience. Thankfully, he’s getting all three.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
by cuppettcj on Oct 6, 2008 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love jamison
but i’m still upset he required that 4th year at big money. that’s a long way down the road, but it could seriously make it difficult to re-sign caron.
one can hope, but i think it’s unwise to count on blatche for anything at this point. this is a big year for him. he needs to become a consistent contributor, or we’re looking at the next darius miles. i hope he fully understands that.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Oct 3, 2008 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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