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Open thread: Regular season game 11


The essentials:
Warriors (3-7) at Wizards (6-5)
7 p.m.
Verizon Center
CSN

Last year:
March 4: Wizards 107, Warriors 106.
March 23: Warriors 135, Wizards 128.

Notable Warriors numbers this season (pound the salt):
19th in expected winning percentage (.392).
3rd in pace factor (97.3 possessions per game).
12th in offensive efficiency/offensive rating (109.4).
27th in defensive efficiency/defensive rating (112.5).

Notable Warriors numbers last season
14th in expected winning percentage (.506).
1st in pace factor (97.6 posessions per game).
10th in offensive efficiency/offensive rating (109).
17th in defensive efficiency/defensive rating (108.9).

Key links
Golden State of Mind.
Fear the Beard.
Ian Thomason features Andray Blatche.
GSOM blog preview.
Competition Discussion: Golden State.

Starting lineups:
Warriors
PG: Baron Davis
SG: Kelenna Azibuke
SF: Stephen Jackson
PF: Al Harrington
C: Andris Biedrins

Wizards
PG: Antonio Daniels
SG: DeShawn Stevenson
SF: Caron Butler
PF: Antawn Jamison
C: Brendan Haywood (hopefully)

Tonight's lines:
Blazers at Wizards: Wizards by 2
Over/Under on total points: 210.

The last game against Charlotte was a test for the veterans on this team, and whether they could step up and be reliable options.  Tonight, I believe, is a test for Eddie Jordan, and whether he can be creative without Arenas.

Golden State is 3-7, but six of those losses came without Stephen Jackson, who has fit that team like peanut butter fits jelly.  They're getting great production out of Kelenna Azibuke, who's showing why we probably should have gone after him when he was a free agent.  Dude can really play.

But really, nothing's different about the Warriors.  They still play at a blistering pace, and use Baron Davis exclusively to break down the defense and create open looks for others.  I'm frankly petrified at the prospect of AD guarding Davis...that's just going to be a disaster.  

Golden State is still small on the inside, though, and if you pound the glass on them, you'll be successful.  That's why this is a big game for Eddie Jordan.  He cannot, under any circumstances, let Golden State dictate the type of team he puts into the game.  Haywood needs to play solid minutes, and we should never try to go small to match Golden State's offense.  Instead, stay big, keep Haywood and Blatche in at all times, and be patient.  They have nobody who can guard Caron Butler (don't give me Jackson, he's an overrated defender), and they have nobody to keep Antawn off the offensive glass.  Use your strengths, don't match theirs.

If Eddie can do this, then it's clear he's progressed as a coach.  So far, he's done a great job of not harnessing our defense by needlessly playing small.  Tonight, though, is his greatest test in that regard.  Let's hope he passes it.

This is an open game thread, so harass Don Nelson into a technical foul here.

GO WIZARDS!

Update [2007-11-23 18:19:30 by Pradamaster]: Haywood's playing. Nice. All the more reason why this is a big test for Eddie.

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Wiz/over
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Nov 23, 2007 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

Pcks
Warriors
Over
Stephen Jackson get suspended in overtime.
Bullets Forever: Your place for the very latest in Wizards news and PhD-level analysis.

by Jake Whitacre on Nov 23, 2007 4:46 PM EST reply actions  

wiz, over
AD plays over 40 minutes, Haywood gets another double-double, and it'll be Jamisons turn for a sick scoring night.

by sierradave on Nov 23, 2007 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

wiz,over
To date myself - I remember listening to the finals between the Bullets & Warriors on the radio in my dad's car.

I also remember yelling at the tv in 2003, wondering who this kid was that was scoring 40 on the Wizards. None other than Agent Zero who say that he was excited to get his career high against MJ's team.

If you're curious, here's the boxscore.
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/boxscores/golden-state-warriors-vs-washington-wizar ds/2003-03-23/03/8

I'm off to the cheapo seats at the game. Can't wait to see the scoreboard.

by thebigc1982 on Nov 23, 2007 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

picks
wizards
under
gman and gwiz should go on tour.

by i love gwiz on Nov 23, 2007 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

Bahh
Small lineup...again.

Let's see how this works, but I'm not a fan.

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Nov 23, 2007 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

Two straight offensive rebounds
Why isn't Haywood in again?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Nov 23, 2007 9:18 PM EST reply actions  

Bahh
Just as I feared...they can't stop BD.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Mike Prada on Nov 23, 2007 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

Only got to listen to it, but...
A few thoughts:

-The offense, at least, is clearly working.  If prada had posted a poll two weeks ago asking if the team could score 110+ back-to-back-to-back without gilbert, would ANY of us have said yes?

-Another solid outing from Blatche and Young.  Young has clearly replaced Mason on the depth chart and continues to show a lot of upside.

-How did Brendan look tonight?  The box score is unimpressive, and he had the worst +/- at -20.  That's not like him at all, and I'd wager that his ankle is far from 100% for that reason.  If Eddie Jordan was going small because Blatche was in foul trouble and he didn't want to risk an injury to Brendan, I'm totally fine with the result.

-Speaking of minutes, 44 for Jamison, 42 for Caron.  I hope they aren't exhausted for tomorrow's game on the road.  If they log heavy minutes there, and if the Texas games are the blow-outs that, let's face it, those teams ought to be able to engineer, I hope Eddie gives those guys a rest.  This is a ridiculously busy part of the season's schedule.

-What was the story with all those threes?  I was listening on internet radio, so I could see whether the team reverted to their go-ahead-and-take-it ways, or if Golden State just shot the lights out with a hand in their face all night.  If it's the latter, again, I'll accept this loss.  How often is a team going to hit 16 threes, shooting +50% along the way?  How often is the opposing team still gonna be close with 2 minutes left?

All-in-all, what I heard tonight gave me more reason for hope than despair.  Golden State has a losing record, but that's mostly based on their 0-6 start without Steven Jackson.  They can play, and we knew they'd have a chip on their shoulder tonight.  It was going to be a tough game no matter what, and with the Warriors shooting as well as a team ever will, the Arenas-less offense still produced and has continually demonstrated that they can be a well-oiled machine over the next few months.  Wizards basketball is going to continue to be fun to watch over the next three months.

Final thought: goddamnit, Miami won tonight.  

by sierradave on Nov 23, 2007 10:58 PM EST reply actions  

TheGimp's View from the Club Level
The Wiz made some very difficult shots in the paint tonight, and the confidence that Stevenson is getting from the outside will be invaluable during the sans-Gilbert period.

That being said, Golden State tried as hard as they could to lose this game at the end and the Wiz just could not take advantage.  After a much needed turnover, Eddie has to have the guys get into some sort of set piece that settles the ball down and gets someone an open look or gets Andray the ball in good position to score or be fouled.  I couldn't believe how many times I found myself saying "don't rush it...dammit!"

The team without Gilbert is obviously developing into something formidable, simply because of the development of Andray and Young.  Young is going to be a special player, and the "no, don't shoot that!" moments will fade with experience.  I just hope his teammates are patient with him on that point.

Atrocious officiating tonight, but it seemed pretty even to me.  Bad calls for them, bad calls for us... bad calls all around.

Random thoughts:
-After all these years, Antawn is still sneaky good.  He is a right-place-at-the-right-time specialist, and his rebound-fall-assist play in the 4th would have been the play of the game had the Wiz won.
-I just can't get myself to feel good about Songalia.  If I were Grunfeld I'd be peddling him like crazy. I'd feel better about the Wiz if we traded him for cash and a case of basketballs.
-The defense seems more lucky than good, but this may be what good D looks like and it's weirding me out seeing it in a Wizards uniform.  Seeing Jackson wide open for the three all night made me think that teams with really good number two guys will kill us (see Turkoglu, any Celtic, etc.)
-Haywood must be still ailing, I was very surprised with the small lineup late in the 4th, size alters shots and make comebacks possible.
-The extra pass may be what separates this team from the playoffs.
-There is an obscenely hot girl working for the Wizards this year that hangs out right in front of my seats in front of the DJ setup. Looking for more info on that set/piece.

Section 219 Notes:
Density: Weak
Intensity: Medium
Hotties: None
Number of times I had to get up to let people out: 3 (not bad)
Beer Line: None! (excellent)

by TheGimp on Nov 23, 2007 11:27 PM EST reply actions  

haha
^^ thats a hell of a summary

didnt get to see the game, but even though we lost it doesnt look all bad.  Caron is playing out of his mind, ad is playing well, blatche continues to impress, nick young is starting to be what i thought he could be a year or 2 down the road, jamison will always be solid old jamison, and haywood might always be brendan todd haywood.  Though it looks like there wasnt much defense, which is what we've been pleading for, it's reassuring to see that the wizards sans gilbert can still keep up in a shootout with a team with the firepower of g-state.  

Was it haywood's injury that hampered him?  Everytime i see a boxscore like that i fear its back to ol brenda.

by Wooz on Nov 24, 2007 12:55 AM EST reply actions  

end
Honestly, you can't be too disappointed with tonight's result.  The bottom line is that we couldnt convert during the last 2-3 minutes of the game.  It was even (or within two) and we just let it get away from ourselves.  This is where we will miss a competitor like Gilbert.  He doesnt let a close game like that get out of hand.  Anyway, Blatche looks good so I can't be too upset.  I am worried that we will run out of juice tomorrow night though (especially going AWAY to memphis).  

by finkad01 on Nov 24, 2007 2:39 AM EST reply actions  

haywood
he didn't look 100% on that ankle to me.

warriors shot well from three point land. baron davis killed us. warriors win.

i hope the wiz bounce back against memphis tonight.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Nov 24, 2007 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

Important game tonight
Its too early to call any game a must game, but tonight's is important. Its winnable and is followed by games against Dallas and San Antonio. I would hate to follow up a 6 game winning streak with a 4 game losing streak. As I said in an earlier comment, it will say a lot of good things about the team if they can come out 2 and 2 on this road trip. Memphis and Philadelphia are the most likely targets although I'll take a victory in either of the Texas games. Hopefully, the Warriors' 3 point barrage was just an aberration and the defensive improvement will continue. It will also be fun to see what Juan Carlos Navarro will do tonight.

by hotplate on Nov 24, 2007 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

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